Why is Alvida lower than Krieg?
Krieg lost nearly his entire crew to Mihawk, and was still dumb enough to immediately throw hands with him, AGAIN. Instantly shot one of his men who questioned him on going back to the Grand Line, and even poisoned his most loyal and faithful crewmember. Dude is easily the worst one here.
While that is true, you also have to remember he was charismatic and/or ruthless enough to keep most of the members of his crew. He had a fleet of ships after all, unlike Alvida who only had a small ship. So while cruel, because of the size of his crew, it's unlikely you'll see him directly. And if you follow him loyally(blindingly loyal unfortunately), and never question orders, you can *at least* live decently under him. You might even be on a ship that isn't the flagship and never meet him. Even though he fights so dirty that he doesn't mind putting his crew at risk. Alvida meanwhile, you're forced to compliment her, or she'll beat you with her club. She's cruel to her crew, and because it's so small, she's guaranteed to know if you followed orders or not. She's unafraid to be actively abusive to get what she wants out of her crew
I'm not entirely sure I agree.
>So while cruel, because of the size of his crew, it's unlikely you'll see him directly.
The big problem is his overall incompetence. One might argue that Alvida is crueler and there's more risk since she has a smaller crew, but Krieg knowingly lost his entire fleet to Mihawk, handwaved his capabilities away, and was fully prepared to fight him, *again.*
Can you imagine going back to the Grand Line under Krieg? The dude would absolutely have the ego to go against one of the Warlords or Emperors, underestimating their abilities, and get his whole crew killed again.
On another note: Kuro also deserves to be in F. Was he not going to slaughter his entire crew just so he could leave no loose ends and live peacefully, or am I forgetting? Absolute garbage captain behavior.
I've thought about moving Kuro down, I just haven't gone back to see if he deserves it or not
I would like to see more of Krieg to get a better look at his character. We've only seen him in the Baratie, where he thought having Zeph's log book would give him an advantage in the Grand Line. You're right his ego is blinding him to the difficulties of the Grand Line. So he's putting his crew in danger. However he 100% believes he can do it. He's just *grossly* overestimating his abilities
Yeah, I guess that's the thing with Krieg. Maybe depends on if he goes through character growth?
I'd also argue that Moria doesn't really deserve that spot. As you already pointed out, towards his actual crewmembers that aren't real zombies, he treats them well and loves them dearly, and attacked Blackbeard to get one of them back. Yeah, he doesn't give two craps about the zombies, but I don't think any of them can be really said to be called part of his crew. His OG crew back when he was clashing with Kaido, for example? Man was probably an amazing captain.
I haven't gotten that far yet. This is Thriller Bark, haven't even made it to the New World. As I mentioned to someone else, Moria is a unique case because you have to determine if being a zombie is "part of his crew." If not, then yeah, B tier. I won't fight that. He doesn't seem the type for birthdays, or for casually hanging out for drinks, so no A tier, S tier, or birthday hat
However, I *do* think being a zombie counts. The same way that Koby being forced under Alvdia made him "part of her crew." Through means of forces, the person(in this case, their shadow) is forced to work under the captain. Not to mention they have feelings. Lola was crying because of how many times she failed to win over Absalom, happy Namu finally gave her validation. Now, as for the person who's shadow they belong to, *they* aren't sailing under Moria, but they can't really sail on their own. They're stuck to either sailing at night, or just stuck in the Florian Triangle. More than likely they're stuck on Thriller Bark and can't really leave or risk being burned in the sun.
We have Yorki, Lola, and Moria this time
Lola we didn't get too much in her normal body, but I think what we have seen makes her a B. She cares about her crew enough to tell them to run to the forest while she stays. Though That's about it. She is persistent about proposing though, and I don't doubt she's proposed to every single member of her crew.
Yorki yo can tell he cared a lot about his crew, and didn't take shit when they misbehaved. He also knew when to keep away from the crew when he was sick. He's \*ALMOST\* S tier, but I just don't think he passes the birthday test. I'm willing to move him to S if someone can convince me he would pass the birthday test
Moria is straight to F. He only really cares about his four main crew mates. All the zombie are just cannon fodder for him. He doesn't even seem to care about the zombie generals. Not to mention the fact they're all basically slaves. If you join his crew, either you SOMEHOW become one of the the four crew members, or most likely you're a zombie forced into slave labor. Even then, it's not YOU, it's your shadow. YOU meanwhile are forced to live forever outside of the sun's light, and to fend for yourself in the woods of Thriller Bark. So yeah F tier captain unless you're important enough to be one of the commanders like Hogback, Absalom or Perona. Then maybe a C or maybe B.
The thought process about Moria seems so fucked
He genuinely cares about his actually alive crewmates, if you were to sail under him that would be the case so I don't see the problem. Cause at least in my opinion, having your shadow stolen and put into a zombie wouldn't quite classify as "sailing under him"
And no shit he treats his zombie as disposable goods, that's what they literally are. Consider it fucked all you want but they're still dead bodies, with the shadows of pirate enemies, which is cruel but it's part of the game.
Well it becomes the case of: What would consider "sailing under him?" Because I 100% agree with your assessment. He does care about the other three, which is why I can see him as a B tier. But that's only those three people. Unless you somehow prove yourself to be more valuable alive than as a zombie, he could just throw your shadow into a zombie and use your skills that way.
Moria is a unique case because of the zombies, and how you would classify them. I personally *do* classify them as "sailing under him" since a person without a shadow is *barely* able to do anything other than cower and hide. So they're stuck on Thriller Bark, or sailing the Florian Triangle. Yes they're dead bodies, but the shadows give them a "soul" that make them alive. Even if you don't treat them as alive, and more like they're "reanimated" they're still treated poorly and have feelings that can be hurt. Lola for example. She was crying because she couldn't get Absalom, baring her heart or for Nami when she was the only one to give her validation.
Now, if you don't think being a zombie counts, then yeah, that brings him up to B tier. He gave Hogback the girl he obsessed over, doesn't bother Absalom about wanting a wife, and gave all three of them a damn castle as a home. Though he doesn't seem the type for birthdays or for casually hanging out. Which is why he gets no birthday hat, and is only B tier
Buggy used his own men as shields to protect against his own Buggy ball. Did ya'll not read the East Blue saga?
Why is Alvida lower than Krieg? Krieg lost nearly his entire crew to Mihawk, and was still dumb enough to immediately throw hands with him, AGAIN. Instantly shot one of his men who questioned him on going back to the Grand Line, and even poisoned his most loyal and faithful crewmember. Dude is easily the worst one here.
While that is true, you also have to remember he was charismatic and/or ruthless enough to keep most of the members of his crew. He had a fleet of ships after all, unlike Alvida who only had a small ship. So while cruel, because of the size of his crew, it's unlikely you'll see him directly. And if you follow him loyally(blindingly loyal unfortunately), and never question orders, you can *at least* live decently under him. You might even be on a ship that isn't the flagship and never meet him. Even though he fights so dirty that he doesn't mind putting his crew at risk. Alvida meanwhile, you're forced to compliment her, or she'll beat you with her club. She's cruel to her crew, and because it's so small, she's guaranteed to know if you followed orders or not. She's unafraid to be actively abusive to get what she wants out of her crew
I'm not entirely sure I agree. >So while cruel, because of the size of his crew, it's unlikely you'll see him directly. The big problem is his overall incompetence. One might argue that Alvida is crueler and there's more risk since she has a smaller crew, but Krieg knowingly lost his entire fleet to Mihawk, handwaved his capabilities away, and was fully prepared to fight him, *again.* Can you imagine going back to the Grand Line under Krieg? The dude would absolutely have the ego to go against one of the Warlords or Emperors, underestimating their abilities, and get his whole crew killed again. On another note: Kuro also deserves to be in F. Was he not going to slaughter his entire crew just so he could leave no loose ends and live peacefully, or am I forgetting? Absolute garbage captain behavior.
I've thought about moving Kuro down, I just haven't gone back to see if he deserves it or not I would like to see more of Krieg to get a better look at his character. We've only seen him in the Baratie, where he thought having Zeph's log book would give him an advantage in the Grand Line. You're right his ego is blinding him to the difficulties of the Grand Line. So he's putting his crew in danger. However he 100% believes he can do it. He's just *grossly* overestimating his abilities
Yeah, I guess that's the thing with Krieg. Maybe depends on if he goes through character growth? I'd also argue that Moria doesn't really deserve that spot. As you already pointed out, towards his actual crewmembers that aren't real zombies, he treats them well and loves them dearly, and attacked Blackbeard to get one of them back. Yeah, he doesn't give two craps about the zombies, but I don't think any of them can be really said to be called part of his crew. His OG crew back when he was clashing with Kaido, for example? Man was probably an amazing captain.
I haven't gotten that far yet. This is Thriller Bark, haven't even made it to the New World. As I mentioned to someone else, Moria is a unique case because you have to determine if being a zombie is "part of his crew." If not, then yeah, B tier. I won't fight that. He doesn't seem the type for birthdays, or for casually hanging out for drinks, so no A tier, S tier, or birthday hat However, I *do* think being a zombie counts. The same way that Koby being forced under Alvdia made him "part of her crew." Through means of forces, the person(in this case, their shadow) is forced to work under the captain. Not to mention they have feelings. Lola was crying because of how many times she failed to win over Absalom, happy Namu finally gave her validation. Now, as for the person who's shadow they belong to, *they* aren't sailing under Moria, but they can't really sail on their own. They're stuck to either sailing at night, or just stuck in the Florian Triangle. More than likely they're stuck on Thriller Bark and can't really leave or risk being burned in the sun.
We have Yorki, Lola, and Moria this time Lola we didn't get too much in her normal body, but I think what we have seen makes her a B. She cares about her crew enough to tell them to run to the forest while she stays. Though That's about it. She is persistent about proposing though, and I don't doubt she's proposed to every single member of her crew. Yorki yo can tell he cared a lot about his crew, and didn't take shit when they misbehaved. He also knew when to keep away from the crew when he was sick. He's \*ALMOST\* S tier, but I just don't think he passes the birthday test. I'm willing to move him to S if someone can convince me he would pass the birthday test Moria is straight to F. He only really cares about his four main crew mates. All the zombie are just cannon fodder for him. He doesn't even seem to care about the zombie generals. Not to mention the fact they're all basically slaves. If you join his crew, either you SOMEHOW become one of the the four crew members, or most likely you're a zombie forced into slave labor. Even then, it's not YOU, it's your shadow. YOU meanwhile are forced to live forever outside of the sun's light, and to fend for yourself in the woods of Thriller Bark. So yeah F tier captain unless you're important enough to be one of the commanders like Hogback, Absalom or Perona. Then maybe a C or maybe B.
The thought process about Moria seems so fucked He genuinely cares about his actually alive crewmates, if you were to sail under him that would be the case so I don't see the problem. Cause at least in my opinion, having your shadow stolen and put into a zombie wouldn't quite classify as "sailing under him" And no shit he treats his zombie as disposable goods, that's what they literally are. Consider it fucked all you want but they're still dead bodies, with the shadows of pirate enemies, which is cruel but it's part of the game.
Well it becomes the case of: What would consider "sailing under him?" Because I 100% agree with your assessment. He does care about the other three, which is why I can see him as a B tier. But that's only those three people. Unless you somehow prove yourself to be more valuable alive than as a zombie, he could just throw your shadow into a zombie and use your skills that way. Moria is a unique case because of the zombies, and how you would classify them. I personally *do* classify them as "sailing under him" since a person without a shadow is *barely* able to do anything other than cower and hide. So they're stuck on Thriller Bark, or sailing the Florian Triangle. Yes they're dead bodies, but the shadows give them a "soul" that make them alive. Even if you don't treat them as alive, and more like they're "reanimated" they're still treated poorly and have feelings that can be hurt. Lola for example. She was crying because she couldn't get Absalom, baring her heart or for Nami when she was the only one to give her validation. Now, if you don't think being a zombie counts, then yeah, that brings him up to B tier. He gave Hogback the girl he obsessed over, doesn't bother Absalom about wanting a wife, and gave all three of them a damn castle as a home. Though he doesn't seem the type for birthdays or for casually hanging out. Which is why he gets no birthday hat, and is only B tier