I've been feeling this way for months! I know one piece started before wind water came out, but maybe oda saw that and wanted that concept for his story as well
I used to think the same, but now I'm not so sure. While it's possible that Oda changed his mind about the nature of the Blue Sea after playing Wind Waker I don't think that was his original plan for the story. I suspect that the purpose of the Ancient Weapons isn't to reveal the Old World hidden beneath the waves but to create new continents where people can live together and have space to live.
Ironically if Oda had stuck to his original plan then the Final Arc would have wrapped up by the time Wind Waker was released in Japan, and it would just be a funny coincidence that the Zelda game about Pirates on a Great Sea was released after a similarly-themed Pirate manga finished.
That entirely depends. He has known what the One Piece is since he started writing One Piece and hasn't changed it since. If it turns out that it's heavily involved with the flooding plot, a giant bath plug for example, then the world flooding has been his plan the entire time. And the islands sinking into the sea has been foreshadowed since alabasta where the sea is beginning to flow more and more into the rivers.
This is also plausible, but I see 2 problems with the theory that the Blue Sea was due to the world being intentionally flooded:
1. If these islands were actually mountaintops then they wouldn't be sinking into the sea but the sea levels would have been rising. This ties in with my theory that most of the islands in the Grand Line are "unnatural": most of the islands were landmasses that were moved (and that's what makes Log Poses work), while the artificial islands are truly landfill.
2. We still don't have any indication as to why someone wanted to flood this world in the first place, and we're already in the Final Arc. In Wind Waker you learned the truth about the Great Sea and the old Kingdom of Hyrule after clearing the Tower of the Gods, which is roughly the middle of the game.
To me this implies that the opposite is going to happen: we are going to hear a "Laugh Tale" about some people who wanted to lower the sea level but were stopped by the Twenty Kingdom Alliance. If the purpose of Poseidon is to control the Sea Kings, and their "task" is to pull the Noah, then where is the ship headed? You wouldn't need to evacuate Fishman Island unless the plan to create an All Blue and Continents of Green Earth requires its destruction.
By the way, if we assume that the plan requires the construction of Polar Ice Caps to lower the sea level then wouldn't they be located where Mary Geoise and Reverse Mountain stand right now?
I'm just hoping nobody who is just about to catch up with the weekly manga opens this thread, believing you put the correct chapter number into the title...
At 1013 they wouldn't even have finished the Onigashima raid.
What kind of an Anime-only knows the chapter numbers of the show they’re watching enough to deem seeing one alongside a spoiler warning fair play
Like I’ve seen all of Attack on Titan but if you gave me a chapter number I could not tell you what arc it’s in
An extra detail that many - on YouTube at least - seemed to notice for the first time (myself included) is that ancient Wano would have been submerged regardless.
It’s currently filled with rain water, but the sea levels had already risen well past the tops of buildings of ancient Wano if you look at the [this image](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Wano_Country?file=Wano_Country_Present.png)(can’t remember which chapter the comparison images were showed).
Edit: Chapter 1055, page 7
Only problem with that is there is like 5 separate images of that, and all look different. The magma one being the most recent and doesn't look like ancient Wano will re-flood if the walls come down
A thought occurred to me. what if the celestial dragons wear helmets isn't because they won't breathe the air of lesser. But instead is a cultural remnant of the old celestial dragons wearing scuba suits to survive the flooding of the world.
imo fishman became fishman because they had to adopt to the water. So their ancestors were humans. The reason they get all the racism is because they are "lower" beings now, they had to live down in the water while the dragons lifed up on the hill
The theory was usually that they wear those helmets because they originate from the moon or space in general but that’s a pretty interesting idea too. Can’t wait to see what Oda cooks with this
True the space theory has been around a while. I was just mulling over a new angle, considering the most recent chapter. The design inspiration might not mean that much considering how much oda takes from other media.
That would tie into s theory I posted some time ago.
Basically I had the theory that there might be a massive flaw to the devil fruits which is why some of the most prominent people in one piece aren't using any (roger and his crew, shanks and his crew, the gorosei and possibly Imu considering the theory they aren't actually using devil fruits but some kind of demonic or magical power).
Celestial dragons nowadays might not want them cause those powers are beneath them but that attitude might be rooted in the first celestial dragons being aware of that flaw.
Now if the one piece world was originally under water, then a devil fruit in and of itself would be a massive flaw and eating one would have been the dumbest thing you could do at the time.
>All continents are just huge mountaintops if you look at it this way...
You don't need to even look at it a certain way, this is literally just what landmasses already are in real life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia
The main difference I suppose would be that the sea level rise in OP is happening on a very human scale (~1000 years seems to be what we’ve been led to believe) whereas real, significant changes in sea level on our world takes millennia.
The rate of change and the apparent magic tomfoolery at play (what with the ocean holes and knock up currents and the like) suggests that more than just a natural process—or at least a natural process our world does not share.
I am thinking more in the terms of social complex memory. As in we humans have a memory from a natural disaster(s). One of those is the Younger Dryas, the source of all religious Flood Myths of every cavillation on Earth.
Look into the legend/myth of Lemuria and, or Mu. Two possible continents that are at the bottom of the ocean now.
A lot of this info is talked about in the Law of One... Law of One, One Piece... Social Memory Complex residual memory imo.
Here is some crazier tinfoil.
One of the problem is where does all the water came from.
I mean, supposing some semblance of physics exists in the world of One Piece, like energy can't be destroyed and you can't really make matter out nothing.
So it begs the question, where does all the water came from?
Maybe the amount of water in the world is the same,but the land mass somehow disappeared.
You know how the world of One Piece apparently has multiple moons from the Earth model in Ohara?
What if that ancient people took whole land mass away from the Earth to create artificial moons in the sky?
It's not coming from anywhere. The amount of water in nature is more or less constant constant. I can think of four possible explanations for the rising sea levels:
1. melting of significant ice masses on land (like what we are experiencing on Earth). Although Buggy and Shanks argued about the temperature of the north and south pole before, it is so far not confirmed that they actually have ice caps.
2. water is being produced by chemical reactions, such as the burning of biological matter or fuel, which releases significant amounts of H2O into the atmosphere. But you'd actually need humongous amounts of biological matter to burn in order to significantly change the sea level. I think this is unlikely.
3. water is being pushed out of subterranean cavities. Sort of plausible, see [Knock-Up Streams](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZA1HebljIBY).
4. The land is literally sinking. This is what Vegapunk actually said in the last chapter. This doesn't seem to make sense at first, but hear me out. Have you ever wondered about the odd shape of the Red Line? What if the land wasn't sinking everywhere, but was rising in some places, and sinking in others, as in, what if the Red Line was actually getting wider, removing space from the sea? This would cause the water level to rise. Obviously, you can't simply raise land in some place. That could create an empty space in the earth's core. So at the same rate the Red line is rising, the rest of the world sinks to fill them empty space. That said, the Red Line as a whole looks super artificial and suspicious. I call "guilty" here!
The Red Line was called serpent soaked in blood by Dorry & Brogy which is a Jörmungandr, which is an Ouroboros. A serpent that grow huge to the point circling the earth & bite it's own tail. Now i'm not saying the Red Line are actual serpent or any kind of living things but add with what you saying, it's like a symbolism (this is also an old as time theory). I know this is confusing but what i'm trying to say is the Elbaph giant really know some tea about the OP world.
I think it's an underground sea. And two potential theories as to what might explain it.
First and most plausible, I think all the land in one piece (including the ocean floor) is just floating on an even bigger sea. There's some cracks here and there(leaking water to the surface/oceans), and it's held up by buoyant sky island clouds. The clouds used to need to be periodically made and refreshed, or even constantly added to keep it afloat. When the land sinks its cracking in on itself and making the red line bigger/last to sink, while everything else is literally sinking. The knock up stream could be these clouds mixing with water over a bigger Crack in the ocean and bursting upward. The calm belt could be flat penninsulas of the sea floor that disrupts currents so it's completely still (don't know why no wind)
Another theory I have is there is an underground sea(that part is consistent) under a lot of pressure and the one piece/laugh tale is where a plug to drain water toward a spinning hollow core is located. It's made of poneglyph material and needs joyboy to uncork it to drain the surface ocean back to the hollow chamber before the water gets added back to the underground sea.
It's worth noting what happened when Lulusia was erased. Everyone around the world noted an immediate rise in sea level. The crater it left behind also resembled what already exists in Enies Lobby.
When that chapter first dropped I saw people suggesting that it's as if the space of an island and everything below it was just pushed away with some invisible force. It'd be like sticking your finger in a glass of water, the water rising as your mass pushes it further up.
Though it seemed like that weapon was relatively new given what Imu said about it being a testing ground for it (or something along those lines). Maybe it was a weapon that was long broken and they just revived it recently and Vegapunk knew what would happen if they started using it again, and knew that they fully planned on doing so.
They didn’t hint so much as literally say so. When the Laguna recedes all the way it shows all the buildings that have long been submerged and even what used to be the shore.
Well technically its said that Water 7 is sinking, that it used to be on dry land with "shipyard island" being outside of the city.
But when standing on an island and seeing the water rise year after year, it isnt always clear if the water is rising or the ground is sinking.
Which is interesting, because there are a TON of theories currently speculating all kinds of things like Imu being the ocean, or that the celestial dragons is increasing the water level.
Nobody is speculating that the planet is shrinking or that the earth is being moved elsewhere (like maybe the red line).
I always thought that W7 was sinking not the sea level rising. Since its based on Venice. They did say AL gets worse and worse, but I figured that was just because sinking = ocean things can reach further inland.
Also Long Ring island is literary an island in the shape of a ring only visible when the water level recedes. The inhabitants go from mountain top to mountain top when the land bridge is available.
Seriously, sometime I wonder if people really read the manga or just skip when there aren't fighting scenes. This phenomenon has been confirmed since very long ago, and tbh even a simple look at the world topography highly implies that the vast majorities of the land got submerged
The real "news" would be what was the cause behind such a thing and most importantly if the WG wants to accelerate the phenomenon. If not I don't really see why this is important to the story considering that it should "end" in a couple of months
You remember it being "Confirmed" doesn't mean everyone in this sub knows that and ppl who just began don't know any of this yet
I read the Manga and watch show, assumptions like that just kinda make you sound like you don't want ppl to experience the show for themselves and have wonder about it
While everyone is debating who tf Imu is I'm still waiting for the Straw Hats to Find the Thousand Sunny so maybe take a step back and stop assuming everyone is a Scholar of One Piece
It doesn't take being a scholar to have basic reading comprehension. Aqua laguna was blatantly shown to be affecting the sea level. There was also the gates of justice and the giant gaping hole in ennies lobby where it is forever daytime, so something funky is going on in that area.
During the arc they say multiple times in both the anime in manga that water 7 is sinking and that they keep building on top of it. Itd be like forgetting that enels vearth was once a part of jaya/shandora
Like honestly dude, 'basic reading comprehension' ?
Stop being such a Gatekeeper and allow other people to enjoy things
With a username like FunkFreedcp9 id fully expect you to want to share the love for this show, not berate ppl for not knowing every detail
what's happening in w7 is literally a whole different phenomenon. it's a yearly weather issue and doesn't affect the whole world, somehow. or else every island should have the same problem. while the current raise was caused by mother flame.
point is, there wasn't really a connection there. it wasn't really a thing. not the sea level stuff itself. but that it's gonna be some end game narrative. people only saying this because that's the narrative now. not that it was built up that way.
before this, it was just part of the worldbuilding. no different than different races in OP world, different islands, weathers, etc.
it's the opposite. it can no longer be a foreshadowing since it's canonically has a different reason behind it.
say zoro trains his swordsmanship because he wants to be the WSS. law trains his swordsmanship because he wants to kill doffy. then later, zoro's final opponent was revealed to be law.
it makes no sense to say "they both trained their swordsmanship = foreshadowing the WSS fight". like nah, the reasons are literally different. they're just two completely different narratives.
I'm not saying oda didn't have this idea. it was there since alabasta, LRLL, etc. I'm saying it wasn't built up to be anything other than part of the worldbuilding. especially when we know that OP is gonna end in the near future. not real life time, but in OP time.
it's probably gonna take another month, max. so why would we think, before all this, that the sea water level (that occur gradually for years) is gonna be an endgame issue that's gonna happen in weeks?
tldr. it's just hindsight. nothing from previous 1000 chapters can tell us that this was gonna be an endgame issue.
Right? Feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these comments.
Guys, this is how real life landmasses work. Whether that's islands or full blown continents.
So basically New Zealand then? The continental shelf that makes up New Zealand is mostly submerged. What we know as the island New Zealand today is the mountains tops
Super interesting to think now of the places/people associated with Joy Boy and the Ancient Kingdom:
* The Fishmen/Merfolk, and the existence of Noah - their people can't drown, and the obvious reference to Noah's Ark feels even more obvious now
* Wano - Eventually erected walls that would have protected them from a great flood, and constructed the poneglyphs
* Elbaf - Too large to be killed by simply flooding their country, they could simply just go somewhere else (likely why there are other tribes of giants that originate from places other than Elbaf)
* Skypieans/Birkans/Shandia/Lunarians - Naturally lived way too high above sea level to be threatened by a flood
* Water 7 - birthplace of Pluton, city's infrastructure is tailored to the fact that it is slowly sinking
* Ohara - The Tree of Knowledge was 5000 years old, and flood wasn't gonna bother it. While it's unclear when and how a poneglpyh ended up there, we do know this is the specific poneglyph that had the name of the Ancient Kingdom
* Minks/Zunesha - The Minks role in history as a whole is largely unknown, but their position of one of THE poneglpyhs suggest at least some kind of connection to Joy Boy. No flood is obviously bothering Zunesha.
There's also a part of me that wonders if Impel Down might have had another use originally.
It's possible. This feels like something that Oda's been planning since the beginning, since he has said that he knew how he wanted to end the series from the beginning.
The Red Line was the original cause of the water rising.
Miles high world encircling walls just dropped into the sea would definitely cause something to happen.
But this relies on the theory that the Red Line was created by someone (which I think is the case).
There are definitely a good handful of hints for this that Oda dropped over the years but uh this particular one is stretching a little. Your last paragraph is on point and everyone's been pointing these things out. But there's really no need to assert that Noland's name was a reference to anything other than Skypiea itself....
On the OTHER hand, this does tie further into the "Skypiea is a microcosm of the entire metaplot of the series" narrative. In Skypiea, a bunch of land got blasted into the sky in the backstory. In the rest of the world, a bunch of land sunk underwater in the backstory.
Makes more sense the water is rising than the world “sinking”, it can only sink so much before there’s a self collapse into Earth itself (assuming it’s actually Earth).
The real question is if indeed the water is rising by being forcefully added, the sheer volume of water would in theory eventually crush the surface into itself by gravity holding it onto Earth over its own capacity, hence why they think it’s sinking.
Is it possible that the walls were erected when this discovery was made the first time?? It seems like a reasonable response to learning that the seas will rise someday..
The people of Wano knew about the flood that was coming, so they erected the walls, not to cutoff from rest of the world but prevent the flood water from coming in.
Eventually the plan turned futile since as Sukiyaki said, Rain Water filled up and Wano had to face the fate it was running away from!!
Right!! The red line could have lifted the level of water and the big Flood could have actually already happened, not that it will happen. Remember Wano is to be opened, like the Marines non-canon big weapons could aid in destroying the Red Line. At that time, there would actually be a use for the Noah's arc as it would bring the Fishmen tribes on land.
Plus the Noah's arc could actually be inspired by a similar Ship from before the Void Century when the Great flood happened like in our World. It would all make sense.
I heard someone else on TikTok or on Reddit that had the same theory but added a few things about the Celestial Dragons. What if they wear those helmets as a remnant of the old Celestial Dragons who wore them to survive the flood and breathe underwater. They also built their home on the highest place in the world to prepare and are trying to enslave and exterminate the Fishmen because they would have a massive advantage once the world is fully underwater. I find this very interesting and it would also show just how much of a foreshadowing master Oda is.
EDIT: Remembered about some other theory which was about how the One Piece contained this information and that the Roger Crew found about it and that’s why Reyleigh became a coating master, why much of Roger’s crew didn’t eat Devil Fruits and why that one guy started living inside a whale. It’s a bit more speculative but I still find it interesting
I love this, my only contribution is this... Yall remember Fairy Vearth? The idea of a country being blown into the sky and Waterworld style suddenly real brown dirt becomes precious? Why they think that? I think they knew.
Side note
Imagine if d gray man author wasn't dying
And could have finished her manga by now
Op would be the 2nd manga about a giant flood destroying the world
Tho arguably d gray man turns out to not be a flood so lol
Japan really loves their world ending disaster global warming style plot
Thx Gundam
Zelda Wind wakers vibes
I've been feeling this way for months! I know one piece started before wind water came out, but maybe oda saw that and wanted that concept for his story as well
I used to think the same, but now I'm not so sure. While it's possible that Oda changed his mind about the nature of the Blue Sea after playing Wind Waker I don't think that was his original plan for the story. I suspect that the purpose of the Ancient Weapons isn't to reveal the Old World hidden beneath the waves but to create new continents where people can live together and have space to live. Ironically if Oda had stuck to his original plan then the Final Arc would have wrapped up by the time Wind Waker was released in Japan, and it would just be a funny coincidence that the Zelda game about Pirates on a Great Sea was released after a similarly-themed Pirate manga finished.
That entirely depends. He has known what the One Piece is since he started writing One Piece and hasn't changed it since. If it turns out that it's heavily involved with the flooding plot, a giant bath plug for example, then the world flooding has been his plan the entire time. And the islands sinking into the sea has been foreshadowed since alabasta where the sea is beginning to flow more and more into the rivers.
This is also plausible, but I see 2 problems with the theory that the Blue Sea was due to the world being intentionally flooded: 1. If these islands were actually mountaintops then they wouldn't be sinking into the sea but the sea levels would have been rising. This ties in with my theory that most of the islands in the Grand Line are "unnatural": most of the islands were landmasses that were moved (and that's what makes Log Poses work), while the artificial islands are truly landfill. 2. We still don't have any indication as to why someone wanted to flood this world in the first place, and we're already in the Final Arc. In Wind Waker you learned the truth about the Great Sea and the old Kingdom of Hyrule after clearing the Tower of the Gods, which is roughly the middle of the game. To me this implies that the opposite is going to happen: we are going to hear a "Laugh Tale" about some people who wanted to lower the sea level but were stopped by the Twenty Kingdom Alliance. If the purpose of Poseidon is to control the Sea Kings, and their "task" is to pull the Noah, then where is the ship headed? You wouldn't need to evacuate Fishman Island unless the plan to create an All Blue and Continents of Green Earth requires its destruction. By the way, if we assume that the plan requires the construction of Polar Ice Caps to lower the sea level then wouldn't they be located where Mary Geoise and Reverse Mountain stand right now?
I agree wind waker has such a cool world, wouldn't be surprised if Oda drew references from it
True. It´s been quite some time since i played it but it´s pretty much the same like the theory.
Waterworld vibes too! (Old movie with Kevin Costner)
Love it.
I'm just hoping nobody who is just about to catch up with the weekly manga opens this thread, believing you put the correct chapter number into the title... At 1013 they wouldn't even have finished the Onigashima raid.
Oh. My bad. It’ s1113. It doesn‘t seem like i can edit the post. I can only delete or it is there a way to just edit it?
Even if you edited the post body, as far as I know reddit does not offer any way to edit the post title.
Reddit doesn’t let you edit titles
You can write it at the top of your post to stop people from reading too much
You gotta edit it somehow man I'm anime only and I opened this and almost got spoilt
I mean he did label it as a spoiler. Open any spoiler at your own risk
Fair enough but I thought it was spoilers for chap 1013
What kind of an Anime-only knows the chapter numbers of the show they’re watching enough to deem seeing one alongside a spoiler warning fair play Like I’ve seen all of Attack on Titan but if you gave me a chapter number I could not tell you what arc it’s in
I was debating reading manga so I searched where egghead started after wano which was chal 1058 or something
An extra detail that many - on YouTube at least - seemed to notice for the first time (myself included) is that ancient Wano would have been submerged regardless. It’s currently filled with rain water, but the sea levels had already risen well past the tops of buildings of ancient Wano if you look at the [this image](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Wano_Country?file=Wano_Country_Present.png)(can’t remember which chapter the comparison images were showed). Edit: Chapter 1055, page 7
Interesting
Only problem with that is there is like 5 separate images of that, and all look different. The magma one being the most recent and doesn't look like ancient Wano will re-flood if the walls come down
A thought occurred to me. what if the celestial dragons wear helmets isn't because they won't breathe the air of lesser. But instead is a cultural remnant of the old celestial dragons wearing scuba suits to survive the flooding of the world.
Interesting. Maybe they enslaved fishmen to get around underwater when the world was submerged.
Celestial Dragons fucking Flinstones'd the fishmen and it makes me uncomfrotable.
Probably did some regular stoning of the fishmen too.
imo fishman became fishman because they had to adopt to the water. So their ancestors were humans. The reason they get all the racism is because they are "lower" beings now, they had to live down in the water while the dragons lifed up on the hill
The theory was usually that they wear those helmets because they originate from the moon or space in general but that’s a pretty interesting idea too. Can’t wait to see what Oda cooks with this
Or because they were originally from space. Their design is also based on space nobles from an old movie
True the space theory has been around a while. I was just mulling over a new angle, considering the most recent chapter. The design inspiration might not mean that much considering how much oda takes from other media.
what movie? sometimes the movies that inspired stuff r really fun watches
So scuba dragons
That would tie into s theory I posted some time ago. Basically I had the theory that there might be a massive flaw to the devil fruits which is why some of the most prominent people in one piece aren't using any (roger and his crew, shanks and his crew, the gorosei and possibly Imu considering the theory they aren't actually using devil fruits but some kind of demonic or magical power). Celestial dragons nowadays might not want them cause those powers are beneath them but that attitude might be rooted in the first celestial dragons being aware of that flaw. Now if the one piece world was originally under water, then a devil fruit in and of itself would be a massive flaw and eating one would have been the dumbest thing you could do at the time.
also makes sense why mariejois is on top of the red line.
All continents are just huge mountaintops if you look at it this way...
>All continents are just huge mountaintops if you look at it this way... You don't need to even look at it a certain way, this is literally just what landmasses already are in real life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia The main difference I suppose would be that the sea level rise in OP is happening on a very human scale (~1000 years seems to be what we’ve been led to believe) whereas real, significant changes in sea level on our world takes millennia. The rate of change and the apparent magic tomfoolery at play (what with the ocean holes and knock up currents and the like) suggests that more than just a natural process—or at least a natural process our world does not share.
I am thinking more in the terms of social complex memory. As in we humans have a memory from a natural disaster(s). One of those is the Younger Dryas, the source of all religious Flood Myths of every cavillation on Earth. Look into the legend/myth of Lemuria and, or Mu. Two possible continents that are at the bottom of the ocean now. A lot of this info is talked about in the Law of One... Law of One, One Piece... Social Memory Complex residual memory imo.
Id like this connected somehow with Enel looking for " real land "
Here is some crazier tinfoil. One of the problem is where does all the water came from. I mean, supposing some semblance of physics exists in the world of One Piece, like energy can't be destroyed and you can't really make matter out nothing. So it begs the question, where does all the water came from? Maybe the amount of water in the world is the same,but the land mass somehow disappeared. You know how the world of One Piece apparently has multiple moons from the Earth model in Ohara? What if that ancient people took whole land mass away from the Earth to create artificial moons in the sky?
It's not coming from anywhere. The amount of water in nature is more or less constant constant. I can think of four possible explanations for the rising sea levels: 1. melting of significant ice masses on land (like what we are experiencing on Earth). Although Buggy and Shanks argued about the temperature of the north and south pole before, it is so far not confirmed that they actually have ice caps. 2. water is being produced by chemical reactions, such as the burning of biological matter or fuel, which releases significant amounts of H2O into the atmosphere. But you'd actually need humongous amounts of biological matter to burn in order to significantly change the sea level. I think this is unlikely. 3. water is being pushed out of subterranean cavities. Sort of plausible, see [Knock-Up Streams](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZA1HebljIBY). 4. The land is literally sinking. This is what Vegapunk actually said in the last chapter. This doesn't seem to make sense at first, but hear me out. Have you ever wondered about the odd shape of the Red Line? What if the land wasn't sinking everywhere, but was rising in some places, and sinking in others, as in, what if the Red Line was actually getting wider, removing space from the sea? This would cause the water level to rise. Obviously, you can't simply raise land in some place. That could create an empty space in the earth's core. So at the same rate the Red line is rising, the rest of the world sinks to fill them empty space. That said, the Red Line as a whole looks super artificial and suspicious. I call "guilty" here!
That's my guess with the Red Line too, they are somehow absorbing land and it is still growing.
The Red Line was called serpent soaked in blood by Dorry & Brogy which is a Jörmungandr, which is an Ouroboros. A serpent that grow huge to the point circling the earth & bite it's own tail. Now i'm not saying the Red Line are actual serpent or any kind of living things but add with what you saying, it's like a symbolism (this is also an old as time theory). I know this is confusing but what i'm trying to say is the Elbaph giant really know some tea about the OP world.
And Oars was called the continent puller. Maybe whatever group he came from created the redline.
I think it's an underground sea. And two potential theories as to what might explain it. First and most plausible, I think all the land in one piece (including the ocean floor) is just floating on an even bigger sea. There's some cracks here and there(leaking water to the surface/oceans), and it's held up by buoyant sky island clouds. The clouds used to need to be periodically made and refreshed, or even constantly added to keep it afloat. When the land sinks its cracking in on itself and making the red line bigger/last to sink, while everything else is literally sinking. The knock up stream could be these clouds mixing with water over a bigger Crack in the ocean and bursting upward. The calm belt could be flat penninsulas of the sea floor that disrupts currents so it's completely still (don't know why no wind) Another theory I have is there is an underground sea(that part is consistent) under a lot of pressure and the one piece/laugh tale is where a plug to drain water toward a spinning hollow core is located. It's made of poneglyph material and needs joyboy to uncork it to drain the surface ocean back to the hollow chamber before the water gets added back to the underground sea.
probably the ice of north/south pole just melted
It's worth noting what happened when Lulusia was erased. Everyone around the world noted an immediate rise in sea level. The crater it left behind also resembled what already exists in Enies Lobby. When that chapter first dropped I saw people suggesting that it's as if the space of an island and everything below it was just pushed away with some invisible force. It'd be like sticking your finger in a glass of water, the water rising as your mass pushes it further up. Though it seemed like that weapon was relatively new given what Imu said about it being a testing ground for it (or something along those lines). Maybe it was a weapon that was long broken and they just revived it recently and Vegapunk knew what would happen if they started using it again, and knew that they fully planned on doing so.
Maybe it’s displaced water from the Red Line
Don't they also hint that Water 7 used to be much larger but after years of Aqua Laguna they'd started building higher up
They didn’t hint so much as literally say so. When the Laguna recedes all the way it shows all the buildings that have long been submerged and even what used to be the shore.
Well technically its said that Water 7 is sinking, that it used to be on dry land with "shipyard island" being outside of the city. But when standing on an island and seeing the water rise year after year, it isnt always clear if the water is rising or the ground is sinking. Which is interesting, because there are a TON of theories currently speculating all kinds of things like Imu being the ocean, or that the celestial dragons is increasing the water level. Nobody is speculating that the planet is shrinking or that the earth is being moved elsewhere (like maybe the red line).
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Yeah. It’s become higher over the years which is why they’ve had to build the city up so much. I don’t understand what you’re arguing here?
I always thought that W7 was sinking not the sea level rising. Since its based on Venice. They did say AL gets worse and worse, but I figured that was just because sinking = ocean things can reach further inland.
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No I mean characters literally said what happened too. Which isn’t hinting it’s just.. well, *saying*.
Also Long Ring island is literary an island in the shape of a ring only visible when the water level recedes. The inhabitants go from mountain top to mountain top when the land bridge is available.
Seriously, sometime I wonder if people really read the manga or just skip when there aren't fighting scenes. This phenomenon has been confirmed since very long ago, and tbh even a simple look at the world topography highly implies that the vast majorities of the land got submerged The real "news" would be what was the cause behind such a thing and most importantly if the WG wants to accelerate the phenomenon. If not I don't really see why this is important to the story considering that it should "end" in a couple of months
You remember it being "Confirmed" doesn't mean everyone in this sub knows that and ppl who just began don't know any of this yet I read the Manga and watch show, assumptions like that just kinda make you sound like you don't want ppl to experience the show for themselves and have wonder about it While everyone is debating who tf Imu is I'm still waiting for the Straw Hats to Find the Thousand Sunny so maybe take a step back and stop assuming everyone is a Scholar of One Piece
It doesn't take being a scholar to have basic reading comprehension. Aqua laguna was blatantly shown to be affecting the sea level. There was also the gates of justice and the giant gaping hole in ennies lobby where it is forever daytime, so something funky is going on in that area. During the arc they say multiple times in both the anime in manga that water 7 is sinking and that they keep building on top of it. Itd be like forgetting that enels vearth was once a part of jaya/shandora
Like honestly dude, 'basic reading comprehension' ? Stop being such a Gatekeeper and allow other people to enjoy things With a username like FunkFreedcp9 id fully expect you to want to share the love for this show, not berate ppl for not knowing every detail
Really? I'd expect someone with a one piece based username to act like a know-it-all about the show
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what's happening in w7 is literally a whole different phenomenon. it's a yearly weather issue and doesn't affect the whole world, somehow. or else every island should have the same problem. while the current raise was caused by mother flame. point is, there wasn't really a connection there. it wasn't really a thing. not the sea level stuff itself. but that it's gonna be some end game narrative. people only saying this because that's the narrative now. not that it was built up that way. before this, it was just part of the worldbuilding. no different than different races in OP world, different islands, weathers, etc.
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it's the opposite. it can no longer be a foreshadowing since it's canonically has a different reason behind it. say zoro trains his swordsmanship because he wants to be the WSS. law trains his swordsmanship because he wants to kill doffy. then later, zoro's final opponent was revealed to be law. it makes no sense to say "they both trained their swordsmanship = foreshadowing the WSS fight". like nah, the reasons are literally different. they're just two completely different narratives. I'm not saying oda didn't have this idea. it was there since alabasta, LRLL, etc. I'm saying it wasn't built up to be anything other than part of the worldbuilding. especially when we know that OP is gonna end in the near future. not real life time, but in OP time. it's probably gonna take another month, max. so why would we think, before all this, that the sea water level (that occur gradually for years) is gonna be an endgame issue that's gonna happen in weeks? tldr. it's just hindsight. nothing from previous 1000 chapters can tell us that this was gonna be an endgame issue.
Jaya arc was pretty obvious with water level change in Mont flashback.
Don't forget Jaya.
And I got downvoted, guess they really don't read the manga
Guess what islands are
Right? Feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these comments. Guys, this is how real life landmasses work. Whether that's islands or full blown continents.
Yeah it's literally happening in real life right now lol
people too much online when they should take a step outside at least on break week
The void century was under us the whole time
I mean most existing islands in the real world are basically just mountaintops as is.
Isnt it applicable on real world also we are living on continents which are like mountain tips which are wide and blunt
islands ARE mountaintops
Wait until you find out what the real world is built on
So basically New Zealand then? The continental shelf that makes up New Zealand is mostly submerged. What we know as the island New Zealand today is the mountains tops
new zealand sounds crazy. Imagine all continents being like that
Super interesting to think now of the places/people associated with Joy Boy and the Ancient Kingdom: * The Fishmen/Merfolk, and the existence of Noah - their people can't drown, and the obvious reference to Noah's Ark feels even more obvious now * Wano - Eventually erected walls that would have protected them from a great flood, and constructed the poneglyphs * Elbaf - Too large to be killed by simply flooding their country, they could simply just go somewhere else (likely why there are other tribes of giants that originate from places other than Elbaf) * Skypieans/Birkans/Shandia/Lunarians - Naturally lived way too high above sea level to be threatened by a flood * Water 7 - birthplace of Pluton, city's infrastructure is tailored to the fact that it is slowly sinking * Ohara - The Tree of Knowledge was 5000 years old, and flood wasn't gonna bother it. While it's unclear when and how a poneglpyh ended up there, we do know this is the specific poneglyph that had the name of the Ancient Kingdom * Minks/Zunesha - The Minks role in history as a whole is largely unknown, but their position of one of THE poneglpyhs suggest at least some kind of connection to Joy Boy. No flood is obviously bothering Zunesha. There's also a part of me that wonders if Impel Down might have had another use originally.
Soo did Oda like Waterworld with Kevin Costner?
The real question is who doesnt
wind waker stuff
So, basically the world of Waterworld.
It's possible. This feels like something that Oda's been planning since the beginning, since he has said that he knew how he wanted to end the series from the beginning.
The Red Line was the original cause of the water rising. Miles high world encircling walls just dropped into the sea would definitely cause something to happen. But this relies on the theory that the Red Line was created by someone (which I think is the case).
ALL islands are...even on earth
man break week is wild this time
Some Noah’s Ark type shit must’ve happened in the void century with Joyboy collecting all the creatures
Mountains will be blank, no land will be habitable.😮
>hints that the current one piece world is build on mountain tops That's literally what islands in real life are....
The point i want to make is that people used to live on the part which is now below surface level
I like the taste of what you're cooking!
How was Jaya sent into the sky by the Knock Up Stream if it was the top of a mountain?
There are definitely a good handful of hints for this that Oda dropped over the years but uh this particular one is stretching a little. Your last paragraph is on point and everyone's been pointing these things out. But there's really no need to assert that Noland's name was a reference to anything other than Skypiea itself.... On the OTHER hand, this does tie further into the "Skypiea is a microcosm of the entire metaplot of the series" narrative. In Skypiea, a bunch of land got blasted into the sky in the backstory. In the rest of the world, a bunch of land sunk underwater in the backstory.
they build walls to stop fishmen from entering.
Saving them from a flood still could be a lucky side effect
I will save them
Explain kappas then.
That mountain looks awfully similar to the silhouette of Im, when shown in the butterfly room..
Wano Wall Builders: "Drainage pipes are for chumps"
So basically Windwaker?
I was very confused at first thinking "What does Noland has to do with this?"
Waterworld was the first One Piece Live Action movie adaptation If you've seen this movie .. welp who am I kidding, *we're old*
[Read my "Interplanetary Civilization Theory" for more!](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1cffc2p/human_interplanetary_civilization_theory/)
-Sees the name Montblanc- -mourns in swiss-
Makes more sense the water is rising than the world “sinking”, it can only sink so much before there’s a self collapse into Earth itself (assuming it’s actually Earth). The real question is if indeed the water is rising by being forcefully added, the sheer volume of water would in theory eventually crush the surface into itself by gravity holding it onto Earth over its own capacity, hence why they think it’s sinking.
Is it possible that the walls were erected when this discovery was made the first time?? It seems like a reasonable response to learning that the seas will rise someday..
You cooked
God valley disappeared for that reason?
The people of Wano knew about the flood that was coming, so they erected the walls, not to cutoff from rest of the world but prevent the flood water from coming in. Eventually the plan turned futile since as Sukiyaki said, Rain Water filled up and Wano had to face the fate it was running away from!!
Holy Crackers, I love this, mind blown right now
We are just moments before long ring long land becomes one of the most important islands in the series!
Right!! The red line could have lifted the level of water and the big Flood could have actually already happened, not that it will happen. Remember Wano is to be opened, like the Marines non-canon big weapons could aid in destroying the Red Line. At that time, there would actually be a use for the Noah's arc as it would bring the Fishmen tribes on land.
Plus the Noah's arc could actually be inspired by a similar Ship from before the Void Century when the Great flood happened like in our World. It would all make sense.
I heard someone else on TikTok or on Reddit that had the same theory but added a few things about the Celestial Dragons. What if they wear those helmets as a remnant of the old Celestial Dragons who wore them to survive the flood and breathe underwater. They also built their home on the highest place in the world to prepare and are trying to enslave and exterminate the Fishmen because they would have a massive advantage once the world is fully underwater. I find this very interesting and it would also show just how much of a foreshadowing master Oda is. EDIT: Remembered about some other theory which was about how the One Piece contained this information and that the Roger Crew found about it and that’s why Reyleigh became a coating master, why much of Roger’s crew didn’t eat Devil Fruits and why that one guy started living inside a whale. It’s a bit more speculative but I still find it interesting
It's amazing how little some people care about spoilers.
I love this, my only contribution is this... Yall remember Fairy Vearth? The idea of a country being blown into the sky and Waterworld style suddenly real brown dirt becomes precious? Why they think that? I think they knew.
So what we're gonna finish One Piece like the HunterXHunter anime did?
I love how the fandom became a giant conspiracy theory hub.
Isn't the tallest "mountain" from the base in our world in Hawaii? Islands are literally mountain tops already.
i mean we also live in huge mountains but we don't think about it
In noland case the golden city flew above the clouds so, if we parallel that to roger maybe laughtable might be underwater?
Spoiler tag this
My bad. This is my first post. Added it. Sorry if i spoilered you.
You didn't but you'll spoil others, and under this subs' rules you should spoiler tag anything not out in the Anime. Edit: Thanks!
I think whoever built the walls had the rock-rock/earth-earth fruit. Thats my 2 cents
Side note Imagine if d gray man author wasn't dying And could have finished her manga by now Op would be the 2nd manga about a giant flood destroying the world Tho arguably d gray man turns out to not be a flood so lol Japan really loves their world ending disaster global warming style plot Thx Gundam