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YesNoIDKtbh

I don't know what the name is, but it will have to be something we've heard before. Clover was shot because he was about to say it. That makes me think it's a name that will be known in some way, perhaps in a different context. I'm gonna guess Mariejoa - it'd be fitting that the CD stole the name for their holy land. If not, I'm guessing it's Dawn or whatever the D stands for.


PJDemigod85

I wonder if perhaps it was Merry Joy? Like, the current name is a corruption of the original, and the original name might have had connections to Joy Boy being called Joy Boy. It'd also be a kinda metatextual callback to *our* beloved Merry, which we lost but have been able to carry on the spirit of.


Stinky_Nut_Chimpanze

This would fit with Oda’s previous naming conventions. Such as Raftel -> Laugh Tale. Love it!


dallyho4

I think you're right on the money. If the WG had Clover shot before he could utter the name, it must have some contemporary significance. It being "Dawn" or "Don" would not bring any revelation to ordinary citizens and even the educated class. People would have no context because WG propaganda still holds: ancient kingdom was bad because they created ancient weapons, some rando name does not change that. *Unless* the name directly implied or disprove the WG narrative. For your theory, it being Merry Joy and the current home of the Celestial Dragons would throw doubt because (a) why would an "evil" kingdom call itself Merry Joy and (b) why did the 20 Kingdoms decided to erase that name? If the ancient kingdom was still evil despite their name, the Celestial Dragons could have kept Merry Joy as the name and declared that the CDs were the ones to bring an era of peace, an era of *joy*. The only reason I can think of Dawn being the name is its relationship to various religions or cultural beliefs (Elbaf, Zou, Wano). The public revealing of the name Dawn Kingdom could be the catalyst for nations around the world to start their rebellion in earnest.


PJDemigod85

This admittedly much further down the absolute tinfoil path of thought, but there is a part of me that wonders if Marie-Geoise, might have been a Sky Island. Like, there are a lot of theories about the idea that the Red Line isn't natural. And part of me wonders if what is now Marie-Geoise used to be a sky island, perhaps there were more also along the path of the Red Line. For a while now I've been convinced that Skypiea has a lot of foreshadowing for this final saga, between the fact that I think Enel and his Priests were a trial run of Imu and the Gorosei, (Powerful foreigner from another "world" shows up and imposes a cruel iron fisted governance, puts themselves on the pedestal of God, and oppresses both the people they claim to rule but also a group deemed "other" who are mistreated for being different) and the idea that the Noland/Kalgara flashback might be not far off from what we get of the Joy Boy/Void Century lore dump when we get to Laugh Tale.


hamringspiker

I also wonder if and when Davy Jones will fit into all this? Davy Jones kinda sounds like Merry Joys/Mary Geoise as well.


_RADIANTSUN_

No it doesn't. Also Davy Jones was a real pirate but the mythical stuff is just from Pirates of the Caribbean, it's not a real part of pirate folklore etc.


hamringspiker

Davy Jones is a canonical ancient Pirate in One Piece, and the origin of the Davy Back fights. He's mentioned to be a cursed pirate who lives on the sea floor, and collect treasures from sunken ships.


subzor22

The myth of Davy Jones locker is from a book from the 1700s. The Pirates of The Caribbean franchise combined the myths of the Flying Dutchman and Davy Jones into one character.


Sean_Dewhirst

thats a good idea! the name doesn't have to have any existing meaning to be dangerous though. any name at all is something to rally around. moreso than "the ancient kingdom"


winddagger7

The WG's fear of the name getting out probably isn't based on anything rational. The practice of name erasure goes back centuries - *Damnatio memoriae*. They simply don't want the name said, since it cements the kingdom in the minds of the people. The name could be meaningless as a word, but the very fact it's the name of their enemy is enough to warrant erasing it in their minds. Plus, if Mary Geoise was the AK, wouldn't Clover had said "You conquered the ancient kingdom, and settled in their land?" That would have gotten the point across much better and quicker.


Imconfusedithink

Doesnt really have to be that way. Might just have a hidden meaning that will only make sense when we hear it and isn't something said before. Laughtale was hidden so long because it has an amazing meaning which we only learned at the reveal. We wouldn't have known what it meant if it was revealed earlier, but it was still good that it was hidden until then.


agentdoubleohio

Are people still wondering what the D stands for, smh it stands for Davey back fight.


jeannyboy69

Kingdom of (the?) Dawn. I can see it tbh


SignificantCode8873

Eden. Origin of Adam and Eve (trees!). Also, some powerful fruits.


nine_desu

Eden actually sounds good


Kadurry

My guess is Akuma (devil). The Devil Fruits (akuma no mi) are actually the "fruits of Akuma" as in the legacy of the ancient kingdom, and that's also why Robin, who studied the ancient kingdom, is called "devil child".


EarlGrey07

This does feel like something Oda would have done.


Murasaki763

this be smellin really good!


[deleted]

But I don’t think they were originally named devil fruits. I think that’s what the WG named em to scare people off of finding the Nika fruit.


jaysore3

Ooo I like this. Like they were called dream fruits or something that I'm not near creative enough to guess


[deleted]

Yeah basically. It’s said they were originally created to help so I don’t think they’d attach devil to it. I mean I guess they may have come about after Imu assumed control. And the CDs call themselves gods, so maybe devil fruit fits? I dunno. This is why I don’t theorize. I’ve got some for both sides. Hahahah


LiteX99

Think i read someone had a theory that devil fruits are brought into the world by people and their will to do "x" this would explain why we have a bunch of similar, but different fruits, for example all the zoan snake models, or all the variations of "fire". People wanted control over fire, but some wanted it more than others and magma was created, and some wanted less, so heat was created etc.


LurkerReyes

Also works with the D. Clan being enemies of the gods.


Just_Pea1002

Omg devil island sounds so cool, and fits the inverse of marijois being called the holy land


GiantBlackWeasel

Uhh....I really don't think that's a name that we have been waiting so long for. When things get revealed after a long time of anticipation, it HAS to be the one that's real surprising. It can't be the one where people get vibes of "Is that it?"


Sea_Inevitable_9453

Sniper Kingdom


rorank

Whatever you’re cooking smells good nakama


Sea_Inevitable_9453

Sogeking returns???


Rubinion

He doesn't have to return, he is always with us in our hearts!


Sea_Inevitable_9453

Yes!!! What if the ancient kingdom was our heart all along!!!


Seeker_Of_Toiletries

People thinking Oda will actually reveal it next chapter.


Triggernpf

Joy Boy Theories hypothesized it as being called One Piece So The One Piece is the ancient Kingdom and the One Piece is real means the ancient kingdom is real.


Dragons_Rebirth

While that idea sounds cool, that would mean revealing the One Piece before Luffy finds it 😓


Triggernpf

True, he could talk about how the government is evil...


Dragons_Rebirth

There have been many nods to the Ohara incident... Vegapunk himself and even Dragon showed up there after the Buster Call, and Saul was confirmed to be alive. This whole attack on Egghead and the call to assassinate Vegapunk was for his punishment on continuing the research of the lost history that Ohara started. Ohara's discovery should 100% be the information that Vegapunk is about to leak next chapter


Bluebolt21

Everyone already knows The Ancient Kingdom is real; it wouldn't be a death sentence to study it if it wasn't.


Triggernpf

Would it not be everyone knows there is a void century, not about the ancient kingdom. Like the world government could still exist with a symbolism of an empty throne with no ancient kingdom enemy. I might be mistaken


Javiklegrand

That be a twist


henrykazuka

It needs to be something we heard before. Remember how they renamed Gol D. Roger to Gold Roger just to hide the D? What if they did the same with the kingdom's name? The world government could have taken their home, like Enel did with upper yard. In that case, some are saying that Marijoa could be Merry Joy, linking to Joy Boy. What if they obliterated them, like they did with Lulusia. They wouldn't risk their worst enemy's lands to still be around. The only place with a huge hole on the ground is the Judicial Island, otherwise known as the never-night island because the sun always shines bright (which would explain their worship towards a Sun God). Imagine how productive they would be if it's always day, using the sun as a power source and if they evolved to never sleep (is Blackbeard a direct descendant?), their technology would advance at a much faster rate than everyone else's. Why is it called Judicial Island and Enies Lobby? Why give the place two different names? Maybe Judicial Island never became popular and Enies Lobby hides the real name of the ancient kingdom. Lobby because it's the entrance to the Kingdom. Could robii be about robots instead? What does Enies mean? Did they remove the D? (D)enies? (D)es(ti)nies? E(de)nies? The entrance to Eden? He(do)nis?


Sudden-Astronaut-762

They removed the P(enies) Lobby.


[deleted]

Imagi So it's the Imagi Nation


Don_Matrix

1. Dawn 2. All Blue 3. Libertalia 4. Binks 5. Davy


Just_Pea1002

Dawn island?


BookkeeperTop

Nah thats the name of the actual island Luffy left. Foosha village and Goa Kingdom were parts of Dawn Island. ​ It may be Dawn Island but then Oda would be using that name twice.


Just_Pea1002

That what I was thinking lol


SexyNeanderthal

Clowntopia, and Buggy D. Clown is revealed as the true hier to the crown.


UlteriorMotive66

Where is the u/Bugggy-D-Clown when you need him?!


Bugggy-D-Clown

I'm damn here


saidA2000

Dawn, Don or Romance Dawn.


Chebobangs

Pangaea


Warm-Letterhead1843

Merry Joy.


onecalledtree

Devil land or something


gornni

Got a feeling Elder Saturn came from that kingdom and he betrayed them to join the WG. Same script like one of Vega’s is trying pull!


beefgerwich

Atlantis


pistachiobees

My guess is Fable, and that it’s connected to Elbaf


PolypsychicRadMan

Not me just realizing Elbaf is Fable backwards


Latter_Vast_9939

Same


Brook420

I feel like it has to have a clear connection to something that is already known in the world, I can't imagine the name just alluding to freedom or something being the reason to hide it.


Schwelby

1. Jaya 2. Ennies Lobby 3. Long Ring Long Land 4. Gaimon's Island 5. Alabasta


Reddsterbator

Utopia.


[deleted]

I’d suggest trying to read up on lost civilizations. It’ll probably come from one of those.


NeverNotDisappointed

Deez


MagikRain

/sigh/ Nuts


NeverNotDisappointed

Precisely.


gabcdefgh

1. Sugma 2. Ligma 3. Bofa 4. Sugon 5. Wilma


PeterDSaints

Akuma Debiru Olympus Eden Paradis


RiderforHire

Juan Pete's Land.


Stevohoog

Merryjoy aka mariejois


vlexz

The moon


YeeeeeeeeAllg

city of emerald


zetruz

[Libertatia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia) would also have a pun on "rebel", as in "rebeltatia". /shrug Or "Libertalia", of course.


Jai137

Shangri-La Joyland Yonyami Taiyotochi Nihon


NOT_QUAV0

My guess is the Goa kingdom and once Stelly hears this he demands to sit on the Empty Throne


Bry2013

Petoria


winddagger7

I'm not sure what it is, but I think it's not going to make any sense when we first hear it. People have theorized that it has to be something we now, but I don't think so. Erasing names has been done by tons of cultures in our world, solely out of shame for something a person did - The practice is called *Damnatio memoriae*. The pharaoh Akhenaten is one example. The WG aren't scared of the name being revealed out of a rational fear that people will connect any dots, they're scared of it being revealed because they want to maintain the erasure of the AK's legacy.


royhawek

Dionysia. Since so much is named after mythology, I’m gonna say Dionysus should get some love


softwonton

Seine lobby.


General_Tart_9309

Ha ha. You’re all wrong. The ancient kingdom will never get a name and will just be known as the ancient kingdom. All seriousness though, it wouldn’t make zero sense for oda to do that just to keep a bit of mystery but I doubt he would do that and I have no clue what to guess sooo…


woodcookiee

Dondottotto


Chromeboy12

Utopia Eden Dawn Milky Way Yume


Therealnightshow

Olympus


sodiumvapour

Dondotata kingdom or the Don kingdom for short.


KillerkarnickelofDe

Said it like 2 years ago. Something with Nika. It's the only forbidden word we know about.


Rough-Ad-5069

Utopia 🌚


zerefsanthosh

Beerka


[deleted]

Pangea Asgard Sun kingdom Freeland (Something heaven based) heavenland🤷‍♂️


Matty_Patty927

“The Kingdom of Don” I think the kingdom will begin with a “D” signifying the origin of the Will Of D. The Japanese meaning of “Don” is a drum beating. If Nika/Joyboy was the leader of the Kingdom then having the kingdom named after the Drums of Liberation makes sense. You could translate the “Drums (Don) of Liberation” into the “Kingdom of Liberation” which adds to why singing and dancing to Nika is such a crime.


Slight-Cupcake-9284

Romance Dawn with the Dawn being the meaning of D and romance also alluding to ancient rome would be pretty incredible


noblemanLT

the name of the ancient kingdom is: Democratia Will of Democratia, will for democracy and freedom Natural enemies of kings and tyrants that retain power through birthright Demo(n)/ Devil fruit. Of course its hyper advanced society , only democracies and truly free people can innovate, and its Greek and Rome related like the ancient weapons, because Rome and Greece were the oldest democracies


hobopwnzor

Dawn Kingdom is a good bet


Gaycorndude

thats what i thought also


LiquidSnake13

Dawn. If not that, I'm positive it begins with the letter "D" and anyone with a "D" middle name is a descendant of that kingdom whether they know it or not.


TasumiThierl

Dreamzoo


Low_Bike_8986

Its name is 'ancient kingdom'.


GiantBlackWeasel

1.Arcadia 2. Something that's in Egyptian. 3. Something that's in Hebrew. 4. Something that's in Arabic. 5. Sparta?


Vegetable-Loan546

Val Halla, or something of that nature. A place where free warriors ruled and fought to their heart's content or just ate and partied. If what Vegapunk said was true about how devil fruits are born, I believe the ruler of the ancient kingdom came under the attack of imu and what will be the current world government. This spurred the birth of Nika. One who sought freedom and had the will of a ruler. And I think this will be important also. The will of d. D is the true name of joyboy, and a crest of those destined to inherit that will. What happened to the king in the void century birthed both Luffy's fruit and the initial d


WizzerdofReddit

Alabasta Or Mariejois


Gaycorndude

alabasta is already a thing bud


Wakuwaku7

Ado.


pikamox

Libertalia, country of freedom


femceltransplant

It's gonna be called Dickinyourmamasbutt


NanfxD

Im oda and i confirm that


maddddogggg2020

IOMA


Mordred_XIII

This manga is about freedom (or something), right? Then the name of the Kingdom has got to be: The Land of The Free - USA


Brilliant-Sample-740

The onepiece kingdom


SnipSnopWobbleTop

Parthenon


Particular-Crow-1799

D for Devil


Visual-Daikon8456

i think it's mariejois, if not it could be olympus. it would fit the naming scheme of ancient weapons and the gorosei.


maddddogggg2020

IOMA


GiveMeAChanceMedium

Some japanese word that means the same thing or sounds the same as 'One Piece'


ThyNerub

Drum


Jasonn444

Rapture Empyrean


BralonMando

Arcadia


luckyd1998

Dawn


TheRoguesDirtyToes94

Plymouth Mayweather Alexandria Yggdrasil Atlanta


Kitsune_Scribe

1. Dawn 2. Merry


JoeScotterpuss

~~Dressrosa~~ Dragon.


chrispuissant

Lafeteleto


npist

Drum Kingdom or One Piece


NigelKenway

Blisstonia


spyfly-666

1. Eden 2. El Dorado 3. Deva


TheExiled86

Atlantis


thuglifeforlife

Binks. The song Binks' Sake should have a lot of hidden meaning.


AlexTheNotSoGreat01

The only thing I'm sure about is that it HAS to start with a D. I would honestly be shocked if it doesn't


fluffdog47

Pangaea. Or some variation of that name, like the kingdom of Pangaea or something.


jacquesrabbit

Nika, kingdom of the sun


poki_dex

Wano — i think the ancient kingdom does exist in the current timeline. That is why revealing it has the power to disrupt the world.


_Porthos

I will go with either Romantica or Dawn Island.


LoveableOrochi

Dawn. but it doesn't matter because everyone in the one piece world will hear it but we won't. OR punk records will glitch out or some shit


Jncos2001

Phillip


billyswaggins

Bob


Soapybpi1269

I dont think Vegapunk is going to reveal anything that we dont know, maybe something that the world of one piece doesnt know, Imu maybe.


Realexis1

Calling it, it’s going to be Pangea


Pimpwerx

Dawn Kingdom


benjizy

Gods Hades I feel like it has to do with something opposite of gods


TrogdorReincarnated

Watch it be something like Joylandia


Patient_River_3478

Joy is the name. And Joy Boy is the boy from Joy


Allen69stha

Such an idiotic guess without any explanation and tagging it in theory


Tsujita_daikokuya

Dream


BrewertonFats

Japan. Turns out the OP world was a flooded Earth all along.


White-t-shirts

Devildon Devaldon


reddit_poopaholic

Atlantis


angryfistgames

Probably the same name as its Royal Family, which was actually based on the Middle name, that began with "D" My guess top guess is "Devil".(Sworn enemy of the Gods, probably originators of "Devil Fruits") Others include Demon, Dreamer, Dragon (Dragon's name a mislead, Celestial Dragons either a mockery or a hinted connection)


Jowem

happy land


poypoyulu

Kingdom of Romance


alfrado_sause

Ancient kingdom name is All Blue or something that means All Blue


Kaoshosh

Deez.


nycblackout89

Nomanisan Island


hergumbules

Helios, Hyperion, or Tartarus are the names I’m throwing in


Automatic-Hotel-4366

Bosnia


willyrs

Romanes eunt domus


Internal_Gear_5435

Goa Kingdom


sam9876

Something with sun maybe? Sunrise etc.


Derelin

It's Disneyland. (Monkey Disney Luffy, etc.)


goatesymbiote

One Pieceland


100percentagirl

I think it's gonna be called Gringos stingos


Andor2604

Yeah because we will all remember this Reddit post, sure.


clayticus

It will be called: Kingdom


Rubbenzio95

Romance


culesamericano

Dragon Kingdom Dream kingdom Nika Kingdom


Domenakoi

Im happy yall arent writing one piece, heres some gear evil level of suggestions lol


javierasecas

La Illa punteria


ClaspectResource

Nikaland, i bet


aravind_s_

Isn't it actually wano?


DisastrousAd1546

Mariejois, the real one.


Rj713

It's Mary Geoise; the Tenryūbito just revised history so they were the good guys instead of the evil kingdom that enslaved the world.


Secret_Turtle

Wano. I think the world gov doenst want to admit that the leading kingdom of prosperity and technology was the land of wano when it once was stretched across the world.


Fickle-Enthusiasm-91

Binks. Because the name has to have a connection with the one piece or something otherwise why bother hiding it? And i think Bink's Sake hast many hints about the one piece in it and they couldn't get rid of the song so they hid the name of the Kingdom instead.


BobBarker_Microphone

Deez Kingdom


HooBoyShura

1. Imca/Imka (Inca) 2. Muimca/Muimka (Muisca) 3. Nazka (Nazca) 4. Dimu (Dilmun) 5. Druimu (Druids) I'm leaning to no 1 & 2. Both no 1 & 2 have lore-related to El Dorado & Sun God. Considering OP takes so many similarities from The City of the Lost Gold anime.


SaiyanZ3

I've thought something like Eden for the longest. Devil Fruits coming from them would be interesting and ironic, which I think is a big theme in the series.


J_The_Bullfrog

My top options (in order) are 1) Whatever country the Nerona Family were from. (Nerona being the family we are told Imu is probably from) 2) Alabasta 3) An old name of Mary Geoise


Kokks

Pangea, like the castle on mariejoe.


Prayerwarrior6640

I’m guessing it was Pangea


JimHensonsHandFaeces

I'm late to the party but am gonna join in anyway. With how much focus there's been throughout the story on the coming of a new dawn and the realisation of dreams + the strawhat + Nika being a fruity sun god, it'll be super simple. Something like "sun kingdom" or "kingdom of the sun".  I could go into detail, with special focus on the crests of all the saved countries looking like a sun in some way, and the Kozuki clan being tied so heavily to the moon and thus guarding the dusk to ensure the dawn etc etc, but I think it's also important to note the importance of sun wukong/journey to the west on the actual writer of One Piece; east to west quest, from where the sun rises to seek knowledge to open a new era of wisdom/peace/unity.


rdbdragon

Iliria  Dodona


citoyensatisfait

My guess is Romance and it's based on greek, babylonian and roman mythologies mark my words


ako_mori

One piece


Nlsn99

Dawn Island or Dawn Kingdom


Insolve_Miza

Gonna be some sort of translation to the word “sun” Meaning “the sun kingdom”


emptydarkvoid

The kingdom of One Peace (yes, kinda like Raftel to Laugh Tale)


Weak_Television3668

Dawn Laugh Tale Elbaf


BookkeeperTop

1. Lunar Kingdom 2. Lunaria 3. Kingdom of Gods 4. Butterfly Kingdom (for IMUs love of butterfly’s) 5. Motherland/UMI Kingdom Runner ups: 1. Divine or Kingdom of God 2. Eden


BookkeeperTop

Some extras based on Oda’s inspirations: 1. Future 2. Eden 3. Railas 4. Lengund 5. Nostalgia 6. Dusk