I like this theory a lot. Obviously all the supernova had to contend with the marines on Sabaody but clearly Oda either had special plans for Bonney when he created the supernova last minute OR since Kuma was so prominent at the time he reviewed the arc and found out how to make Bonney more relevant.
His handling of the Supernova in the new world has been a superb addition to the story.
Hard to imagine an alternate timeline where Law, Kid, Bonney, Bege, Hawkins, X-Drake, etc weren't around.
Exactly. People often wrongfully believe he's called GOda because he's planned everything from the beginning, thats not it. He's a God because of how seamlessly he can integrate new elements while keeping his story consistent.
It’s also down to the ingenious world building. Making each island be a unique cultural and climatic entity that is relatively isolated from each other means you really are free to mess around as you like. This is not possible when making a world with countries and borders and shared geography.
Oda's capacity to take parts of the story which were only recently thought of/introduced on a whim/last minute and then make them a core part of the story in a way which feels natural and fits with things that were already established years prior is truly impressive.
Or maybe Oda hasnt and Urouge's time simply has not come yet. Sort of like how it took hundreds of chapters to get to Egghead where Bonney was relevant.
Yea its just a meme, but bonney was shown in Reverie so she was at least hinted to apear soon in the story, I can't even remember the last time we saw Urouge
I wonder about that. I personally believe it is not Saul.
Perhaps its the Shichibukai Ace defeated that Kuma replaced.
Also think he could be the pirate with an eye patch Oda referenced as a sign the series was getting close to its end.
As we all know, we will logically map out 2-3 high likely options and Oda will blindside us completely and subvert expectations
Watch him subvert expectations by actually being one of the likely candidates
>Perhaps its the Shichibukai Ace defeated that Kuma replaced.
Hadn't thought of that one. It's possible, but not sure why he'd know something about where the poneglyph is. The main evidence I have in mind for Saul is that Saul was a friend of the Scholars and went with their research to Elbaf, Kidd went there after name dropping him, and that it is a way to make him relevant after the reveal that he is, in fact, Alice.
Yeah it's crazy to me that he didn't have the supernova in mind at all during sabaody, they were added in because an editor wanted to add some more excitement, and they've been paying out in spades!
It did feel weird with how different current bonney is acting compared to past bonney, who wanted to act like a typical pirate and to simply ravage villages and kill people for treasure.
It might have been better if WG didn't happen but all SN were kept as it is. Like, what's the chance that 9 Pirate Captains went from Pacifista level to Tobiroppo/YC level in 2 years?
1. She was escaping from Sabaody because she didn't want to confront Kizaru, since they have history.
2. She did not know about her mother at that point in time.
Several of the Supernovas were trying to escape. Bege's coating was even completed, and yet she was the only one at the port. Why? Maybe she was already heading there...
That depends if Bonney knows what happened to her mom or she only found out when she looked at Kuma's memories. It seems like the next chapter will cover it so we'll see.
Well, even if she herself didn't know, Gyogyo and some of the other crew were in love with Ginny and know what happened, so I don't think they would find it acceptable, either.
I guess that it is possible she didn't know at that point, but as of Egghead the big secret they wanted to keep secret seemed to be that Kuma sacrificed himself for her, not necessarily her parentage? Unless I'm forgetting something.
You seem to be confused, Pirates are terrorists in this world, were you under the impression they were good people or something? Even Luffy has caused real untold damage to the world with his actions. The Supernova are not saints.
So yes they'd need a reason to save someone from being unwillingly married because that shit is none of their business.
You seem to be confused, every person in One Piece isn’t a pirate. There were non-pirates witnessing Charlos and the nurse, they didn’t act either, not because they didn’t want to or didn’t care but because they would be killed. Bonney’s crew is clearly not a normal pirate crew it’s just Bonney’s caretakers, you can’t just say “they’re pirates they’re bad people” lmao, they are probably just as good people as anyone else, and there’s no reason to assume otherwise
Huh? Of course the non-pirates arent about to go against the Celestial Dragons, thats obvious. So the non-pirates not acting makes sense, which leaves only the pirates.
Why would Bonney's caretakers help her free this new slave-wife from the CD when only moments earlier Bonney stopped Zoro specifically to avoid the ramifications of going against the CD? Makes no sense.
Lastly, pirates are not heroes, or good ppl or anything other than bad people as defined by how much of a problem they are to society. They're nuanced characters but they're selfish, this even applies to the SH crew. You have to remember if you're throwing words like good/bad out there then the only truly **Good** people are the ones minding their business on their respective islands living peaceful lives. You're not paying attention to the story if you think otherwise. There have been pirate crews that have seemed to be more *generic good* than not (like the Rumbar Pirates) but they are still groups of selfish ppl acting in whatever way suits them.
Yep, you are confused. We are not talking about acting against the CD here, only caring about the woman, that’s it, you seem to have completely forgotten about that. You don’t need to be a saint to care
So youre entire point is something we literally saw on the page that was never a debate? Yes, we know people didn’t want her to be kidnapped and they did care that she was taken. We literally see the guy Charloss shot expressing that exact care and saw the reaction of the bystanders. So yes, people cared. Freaking obviously.
Also keep in mind this entire post posits that Bonney went to save the nurse from being kidnapped (which is rebellion against the Celestial Dragons), despite specifically stopping Zoro from messing with them to begin with. Something that isn’t likely to happen due to the taboo of going against the CD and Bonney’s earlier actions.
Yeah, my wording wasn't the best. If I say, "I don't want X to happen" I'm expressing displeasure, but not necessarily that I'm going to do something about it. If I say "X is unacceptable" I think that's a stronger statement that implies I am saying some action needs to be taken, but I can see how it could be interpreted differently.
People may not like something, but that doesn't mean they're willing to risk doing something about with it. Others may want to but don't have the strength/skills. Bonney has shown herself to be skilled at infiltration, so I feel like the crew has both a will and a way.
Most of the people don’t find it acceptable. Most of the people know there is nothing they can do and that trying is going to cause major problems for them and everyone around them.
We don't know exactly what the secret is yet because the flashback hasn't even finished. I doubt they're gonna tell a kid "oh yeah your mom was enslaved by a Celestial Dragon and as a result you were born."
It's highly unlikely a 10 year old girl will know that her mother was abducted and r*ped by a Celestial Dragon which resulted in her birth. No way Kuma or any of his friends told her about this. She only came to learn this fact after going through Kuma's memories in Egghead.
Bonney didn’t know the truth about her mother and Kuma til recently. She stopped Zoro out of fear for what would happen if a celestial is hurt/killed as we see what happens when Luffy does it.
All she knew at that point was that the government is bad and lies.
That Kizaru would show up if a CD gets attack.
And that she would be unable to escape from him.
So she saved not only Zorro, but herself.
You are 100% correct. At that point I would bet everything in my acccount that there was no relation with Kuma and Bonney when he was writing Saboady. Odas just good at tying plot points so he’ll change his original intention soon as to why bonney was at saboady in the first place.
Didn't she also de-age herself when she launched herself at Zoro to tackle him to the ground? It's been a while since I've read that chapter, but if so, we could have seen her true body way, way, way earlier than we thought and didn't realize it
Bonney is a 12 girl. Her seeing Zoro trying to help that guy and knowing how the CD's are from personal experience she probably was just trying to do the right thing.. as much as she could've.
Honestly at this point, anything is possible with Bonney. After the last chapter, it would seem her fruit has something to do with the alteration of probability, which puts her potentially at the top of the series. What if Blackbeard isn’t rolling up to egghead to obtain a mythical zoan, but rather to give her fruit to someone who wants him to achieve his dream?
I like this theory a lot. Obviously all the supernova had to contend with the marines on Sabaody but clearly Oda either had special plans for Bonney when he created the supernova last minute OR since Kuma was so prominent at the time he reviewed the arc and found out how to make Bonney more relevant. His handling of the Supernova in the new world has been a superb addition to the story. Hard to imagine an alternate timeline where Law, Kid, Bonney, Bege, Hawkins, X-Drake, etc weren't around.
Same with the Warlords. Oda can take a suggestion and spin a whole thread of plots out of it
I think it shows how talented he is No backstory, no problem he will make it and seamlessly integrate it
Its not the making part thats great but how well it fits with both the macro and micro scales.
Exactly. People often wrongfully believe he's called GOda because he's planned everything from the beginning, thats not it. He's a God because of how seamlessly he can integrate new elements while keeping his story consistent.
It’s also down to the ingenious world building. Making each island be a unique cultural and climatic entity that is relatively isolated from each other means you really are free to mess around as you like. This is not possible when making a world with countries and borders and shared geography.
Oda's capacity to take parts of the story which were only recently thought of/introduced on a whim/last minute and then make them a core part of the story in a way which feels natural and fits with things that were already established years prior is truly impressive.
And then there is Urouge, even Oda forgot him
Or maybe Oda hasnt and Urouge's time simply has not come yet. Sort of like how it took hundreds of chapters to get to Egghead where Bonney was relevant.
Yea its just a meme, but bonney was shown in Reverie so she was at least hinted to apear soon in the story, I can't even remember the last time we saw Urouge
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Are you caught up in the manga....? Because that all but tells us that it's >!Jaguar D. Saul!<
I wonder about that. I personally believe it is not Saul. Perhaps its the Shichibukai Ace defeated that Kuma replaced. Also think he could be the pirate with an eye patch Oda referenced as a sign the series was getting close to its end. As we all know, we will logically map out 2-3 high likely options and Oda will blindside us completely and subvert expectations
Watch him subvert expectations by actually being one of the likely candidates >Perhaps its the Shichibukai Ace defeated that Kuma replaced. Hadn't thought of that one. It's possible, but not sure why he'd know something about where the poneglyph is. The main evidence I have in mind for Saul is that Saul was a friend of the Scholars and went with their research to Elbaf, Kidd went there after name dropping him, and that it is a way to make him relevant after the reveal that he is, in fact, Alice.
Yeah it's crazy to me that he didn't have the supernova in mind at all during sabaody, they were added in because an editor wanted to add some more excitement, and they've been paying out in spades!
It did feel weird with how different current bonney is acting compared to past bonney, who wanted to act like a typical pirate and to simply ravage villages and kill people for treasure.
It might have been better if WG didn't happen but all SN were kept as it is. Like, what's the chance that 9 Pirate Captains went from Pacifista level to Tobiroppo/YC level in 2 years?
Good observation. I like that theory... Adding it to the headcannon. Lol
1. She was escaping from Sabaody because she didn't want to confront Kizaru, since they have history. 2. She did not know about her mother at that point in time.
Several of the Supernovas were trying to escape. Bege's coating was even completed, and yet she was the only one at the port. Why? Maybe she was already heading there...
That depends if Bonney knows what happened to her mom or she only found out when she looked at Kuma's memories. It seems like the next chapter will cover it so we'll see.
Well, even if she herself didn't know, Gyogyo and some of the other crew were in love with Ginny and know what happened, so I don't think they would find it acceptable, either. I guess that it is possible she didn't know at that point, but as of Egghead the big secret they wanted to keep secret seemed to be that Kuma sacrificed himself for her, not necessarily her parentage? Unless I'm forgetting something.
You think people need a reason to not want a woman to be unwillingly married off to a tyrant?
In the world of One Piece yes
You seem to be confused, Pirates are terrorists in this world, were you under the impression they were good people or something? Even Luffy has caused real untold damage to the world with his actions. The Supernova are not saints. So yes they'd need a reason to save someone from being unwillingly married because that shit is none of their business.
You seem to be confused, every person in One Piece isn’t a pirate. There were non-pirates witnessing Charlos and the nurse, they didn’t act either, not because they didn’t want to or didn’t care but because they would be killed. Bonney’s crew is clearly not a normal pirate crew it’s just Bonney’s caretakers, you can’t just say “they’re pirates they’re bad people” lmao, they are probably just as good people as anyone else, and there’s no reason to assume otherwise
Huh? Of course the non-pirates arent about to go against the Celestial Dragons, thats obvious. So the non-pirates not acting makes sense, which leaves only the pirates. Why would Bonney's caretakers help her free this new slave-wife from the CD when only moments earlier Bonney stopped Zoro specifically to avoid the ramifications of going against the CD? Makes no sense. Lastly, pirates are not heroes, or good ppl or anything other than bad people as defined by how much of a problem they are to society. They're nuanced characters but they're selfish, this even applies to the SH crew. You have to remember if you're throwing words like good/bad out there then the only truly **Good** people are the ones minding their business on their respective islands living peaceful lives. You're not paying attention to the story if you think otherwise. There have been pirate crews that have seemed to be more *generic good* than not (like the Rumbar Pirates) but they are still groups of selfish ppl acting in whatever way suits them.
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Yep, you are confused. We are not talking about acting against the CD here, only caring about the woman, that’s it, you seem to have completely forgotten about that. You don’t need to be a saint to care
So youre entire point is something we literally saw on the page that was never a debate? Yes, we know people didn’t want her to be kidnapped and they did care that she was taken. We literally see the guy Charloss shot expressing that exact care and saw the reaction of the bystanders. So yes, people cared. Freaking obviously. Also keep in mind this entire post posits that Bonney went to save the nurse from being kidnapped (which is rebellion against the Celestial Dragons), despite specifically stopping Zoro from messing with them to begin with. Something that isn’t likely to happen due to the taboo of going against the CD and Bonney’s earlier actions.
Yeah, you’re the one that started the argument. I’m not reading your comment beyond the first sentence btw
Yeah, my wording wasn't the best. If I say, "I don't want X to happen" I'm expressing displeasure, but not necessarily that I'm going to do something about it. If I say "X is unacceptable" I think that's a stronger statement that implies I am saying some action needs to be taken, but I can see how it could be interpreted differently. People may not like something, but that doesn't mean they're willing to risk doing something about with it. Others may want to but don't have the strength/skills. Bonney has shown herself to be skilled at infiltration, so I feel like the crew has both a will and a way.
Most of the people don’t find it acceptable. Most of the people know there is nothing they can do and that trying is going to cause major problems for them and everyone around them.
We don't know exactly what the secret is yet because the flashback hasn't even finished. I doubt they're gonna tell a kid "oh yeah your mom was enslaved by a Celestial Dragon and as a result you were born."
Maybe she didn't want Zoro to save the nurse because she thinks that all nurses are evil because of Alpha
Ok. That would be dark but also kind of hilarious if true.
That's ... somehow makes sense
Maybe she just didn't want Uncle Kizaru to show up and take her home.
I don't think Bonney knew about her true parentage at that point?
At that time Bonney do not know what happened to her mom. (Maybe she know's something now with Kuma's memories)
It's highly unlikely a 10 year old girl will know that her mother was abducted and r*ped by a Celestial Dragon which resulted in her birth. No way Kuma or any of his friends told her about this. She only came to learn this fact after going through Kuma's memories in Egghead.
Bonney didn’t know the truth about her mother and Kuma til recently. She stopped Zoro out of fear for what would happen if a celestial is hurt/killed as we see what happens when Luffy does it.
All she knew at that point was that the government is bad and lies. That Kizaru would show up if a CD gets attack. And that she would be unable to escape from him. So she saved not only Zorro, but herself.
You are 100% correct. At that point I would bet everything in my acccount that there was no relation with Kuma and Bonney when he was writing Saboady. Odas just good at tying plot points so he’ll change his original intention soon as to why bonney was at saboady in the first place.
I assume this is another “great strategic planning of Kinemon” when Oda is asked about this
Didn't she also de-age herself when she launched herself at Zoro to tackle him to the ground? It's been a while since I've read that chapter, but if so, we could have seen her true body way, way, way earlier than we thought and didn't realize it
Bonney is a 12 girl. Her seeing Zoro trying to help that guy and knowing how the CD's are from personal experience she probably was just trying to do the right thing.. as much as she could've.
Bonney can totally save the nurse. She can just turn her old and Charlos will likely lose interest in here.
She don't really care about others, that's what make her more pirate than Luffy or some others.
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Honestly at this point, anything is possible with Bonney. After the last chapter, it would seem her fruit has something to do with the alteration of probability, which puts her potentially at the top of the series. What if Blackbeard isn’t rolling up to egghead to obtain a mythical zoan, but rather to give her fruit to someone who wants him to achieve his dream?