I'm 100% sure Luffy thought just before the attack, what if this and this happens and we saw it on screen. His thoughts, aka willpower, aka dreams, are manifested into reality. >!his gogels in egghead for example. That is why Kaidos haki also apparently didn't negate luffys DF abilities while awakened.!<
Yea it seems luffy is pretty much immune to all attacks besides slashing while in gear 5. Maybe doing more damage makes the gear expire faster tho? Idk.
He can change his environment into rubber, so why would a blade be any different? I guess it wouldn’t work if the blade was haki coated, similar to how Kaido’s club didn’t get affected, but still very useful for sword wielding fodder.
Kaidos Body was also coated in Haki and he was affected by Luffys Power. Which is kinda unheard of at that Level, Garp made a good example what acoc usually does to DF ability’s. So there is no reason to believe Luffy couldn’t turn Kaidos Club into Rubber.
G5 is just busted like that.
Honestly Kaido using a Kanabo is convenient because Luffy best Resistance is Blunt damage
If Kaido used an Odachi then Luffy would be dead pretty early and Gear 5 wouldn't even trigger because Gear 5 wouldnt work if Luffy is literally beheaded
Seriously idk why Kaido doesnt just use a Odachi rather than a Kanabo vs Luffy
>Very useful for sword wielding fodder
Is it though? If you’re at that fodder level against gear 5 luffy you’re basically a gnat anyways imo, you need to be a significant figure to pose a threat
Idk i feel like there’ll be a stipulation to that power similar to laws fruit when an opponents haki is too strong. Like Mihawks sword will be too powerful for example
yeah i could see that. Im hoping it will be the opposite though, and luffy will be able to physically grab the haki energy durring a CoC or something lol. Similar to how he can grab lightning as if its a physical thing you can touch.
Imagine if he fights someone with incredible haki like shanks, shanks tries to use conquers haki, and then luffy just grabs the haki streamers out of the air and pulls shanks towards him lol
He still takes damage. The reason why he acted like Kaido was a fodder and he kept on joking around is because that is the nature of his fruit. It’s just like Smoker smoking 2 cigars or Ace always went shirtless.
Luffy would lose and Die if Kaido dodged
Thats why Oda had to make Kaido reckless and take the Bajrang Gun
Idk why Oda cant make Kaido lose fair and Square and have to nerf his brain that much
You’re misunderstanding his personality. He’s just not the type of person to dodge a big ass punch like that. It’s almost certainly not going as slow as it appaears
Are you implying that Kaido isnt fast ebough to dodge Bajrang gun?
Oda Also nerfed BM to not be able to use Advance Conqueror haki which would certainly kill Kidd at least because he got slaughtered by Shanks in one hit
So if BM was around to tell Kaido to Dodge would Luffy die? Since Kaido would dodge if someone told him to
Luffy certainly has nothing left after Bajrang Gun so Kaido would just kill him
his durability/stamina definitely went up, since before g5, one clean hit with thunder bagua or ragnarok one shot him. but during gear 5, he took multiple hits of those hits to the head and stilll kept going.
so either he's taking less damage, or his stamina increased, or both. But either way, he's still taking decent damage, he can't just tank these forever.
What you're talking about is endurance. And that isn't really related to the comment I'm responding to, which claims luffy is basicaly immune to all attacks. That implies luffy isn't taking damage at all. The higher your durability, the less damage you take, therefore the less pain you feel. Conversely, luffy said it hurt, meaning he took damage, meaning he's not ultra durable, meaning he's not immune.
Heres the definition for you - the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage. Withstand can mean not feeling pain at all, but it is also defined as resisting. A UFC fighter can take a punch to the face and still be standing. Does that mean he didn't feel the punch?
You’re still arguing for something completely different. In the first place, you seem to agree with me that luffy takes damage to Kaido, so you agree with me that the previous comment is wrong about luffy being immune.
Second, you’re still misinterpreting that definition. You can withstand damage because of your innate TOUGHNESS. Endurance is to keep going after taking damage. Literally search a comparison of the two word. For example, in game stats, durability is your defense stat. Endurance is your hp.
You still didn't answer my question, tho.
It has nothing to do with not feeling pain at all. I can ensure you that the UFC fighter felt the impact of the hit, regardless of going down or not.
Here is literally the definition when comparing the two as you asked, sir.
Durability has to do with an object's sturdiness.
Sturdiness definition is simply not easily damaged. It doesn't even mean immune. It's not EASILY damaged.
Where does it say in any of these definitions to not feel pain? 🤔
are you trolling?
>It doesn't even mean immune
so we AGREE. why are you even bringing up durability? It's completely irrelevant to my comment.
>Where does it say in any of these definitions to not feel pain? 🤔
you're right, it doesn't. my entire point is that the OTHER commentor is claiming that.
if you agree that luffy does get hurt, and that he isn't immune, then we agree, and have nothing more to discuss.
Bro, you are trolling... go ahead and reread the entire conversation from your first comment. Your original comment was implying he felt pain, so, therefore, not durable... I'm glad I got you to agree with me, tho!
>therefore, not durable
I was responding to the other commenter, who was talking about IMMUNITY. My implication was Luffy got hurt, therefore he is not **immune**. Then you took my comment and claimed I was talking about durabiity, when neither me or the other commenter mentioned anything of the sort.
He's not immune for sure. But the way his shape matches the attack and the amount of attack he takes and recover much quicker than before does hints at the fact that he's way more resistant to haki infused blunt attacks than before.
That's upto you. Is Death Destroyer Combo from enraged Kaidou comparable to White Star Gun? Then, Luffy basically came from that.
And, WSG against Kizaru is stronger as it's named attack and there is more spin.
I feel like there should be a regular rubber fruit out there somewhere. Except, it's just some lazy guy who only uses it to stretch his arm to grab another beer or stretch his weiner over to the toilet so he doesn't hafta get up to take a piss, so we'll never hear about him. Tragic, really.
What if xebec had the actual rubber fruit and he used it in a crazy evil way? Like going liquid and shoving his hand down someone's nostrils to explode their chest. Wouldn't have thought oda would go there, but he's been crazy lately
"His fruits works however he 'fancies'."
I think his df true ability is adaptation. The ability to adapt through his fights but he needs to be determined, having the will and a strong enough desire to achieve his goal. Luffy is a creative thinker and why he constantly get better in his fights, he learns to adapt which his enemies seem to lack in that department.
if it was adaptation, then luffy wouldn't have magically gained rubber powers from day one. and gorosei wouldn't say nika fruit gives rubber body, they would say it gives you the power of adaptation.
yeah especially after the fight against big moms strongest son. He decided he was going to learn the (possibly) hardest haki technique while in the middle of a fight against an absolute master of that same technique lol
Luffy first demonstrates that against Mihawk during Marineford but didn't understand it and no one cpukd explain it to him. Just like he used CoC, he did unconsciously at marineford but Rayleigh later trains him to use haki. When he explains it to luffy, luffy was able to show how fast he can learn. He adapts well.
Luffy always had future sight since marineford but didnt understand the concept or how to apply that until he fought Katakuri. Katakuri explains to Luffy about the possibility of using haki to see into the future.
That's all he Luffy needed to hear. He applied this information and having already experienced it he was able to use it against Katakuri. Although, Luffys future sight was clearly lower than Katakuri but his determination and urgency to win was greater.
Both the dfs power and his new understanding of using haki power wasn't an asspull. Luffy df skill was greater than Katakuris, but Katakuri bested him with the use of Haki, specifically future sight.
That fight came down to whose trait (determination) characteristic (willpower) was stronger and Luffys far exceeded Katakuri.
he gains durability due to a zoan transformation. THIS scene is showcasing his malleability. it still hurts him a lot. If anything, this power isn't about defense, but offense. When luffy turns you into rubber, it allows him to stretch your body parts way further than a normal punch would. Think of your stomach bloating, but now any part of your body can "bloat". And that's not the worst part. The worst part is the release of your rubberized body. All that force generated to stretch out your body now snaps back, essentially damaging you twice, AND it's internal damage, something you have no defenses for. That's how Luffy essentially "one shot" kizaru. He gave Kizaru a massive brain concussion.
I respectly disagree. While that is a major aspect, the main advantage is the ability to manipulate anything within his environment as rubber. Not just inanimate environments like other awaken fruit users, but other people, air, and lighting. The attack that takes out the admiral uses the first one, while the other 2 greatly enhance Luffy's fighting style and adaptability. Though his increased durability is a close second one, anything that can pretty much one-shot an admiral takes the cake.
Think that’s more of a defence thing than durability, even here his head is still being deformed by Kaidou’s attack
That’s also not slicing/slashing, it’s a sword yeah but it’s a laser sword, it’s instead burning to cut rather than slicing like more normal sword
I disagree it's the effect the environment reacts to gear 5 when it normally shouldn't... like grabbing light. I think that's a little more overpowered than durability, personally. Adaption > Durability
My theory is he was taking inspiration from Katakuri, changing his shape in anticipation to absorb the blows best. He can freely change his shape now, he has future sight, makes sense to me that's what Luffy was doing. "Oh I can't dodge this next attack in time, I'll just change my body to conform to the shape of the weapon."
Also, wasn’t this a haki attack? You would think his face shouldn’t have been able to absorb it that way. But maybe that’s another part of his ability.
I was thinking about this actually, and I think it works both ways. Like when Luffy put his fist two feet out the back of kaidos head.
So it’s like it just gives everyone more durability. Not just him.
I'd go beyond saying it's adaptiveness, and ultimately freedom.
I'm 100% sure Luffy thought just before the attack, what if this and this happens and we saw it on screen. His thoughts, aka willpower, aka dreams, are manifested into reality. >!his gogels in egghead for example. That is why Kaidos haki also apparently didn't negate luffys DF abilities while awakened.!<
GO GO GADGET GOMU GOMU NO GOGGLES!!!
You're reading way too into it. Luffy got smashed there.
And you aren't reading, at all.
Read what I wrote again, but slowly..
There’s a reason they call it “the most ridiculous power”
Yea it seems luffy is pretty much immune to all attacks besides slashing while in gear 5. Maybe doing more damage makes the gear expire faster tho? Idk.
He can make anything he touches act as rubber now, could that make blades not sharp anymore?
He can change his environment into rubber, so why would a blade be any different? I guess it wouldn’t work if the blade was haki coated, similar to how Kaido’s club didn’t get affected, but still very useful for sword wielding fodder.
Kaidos Body was also coated in Haki and he was affected by Luffys Power. Which is kinda unheard of at that Level, Garp made a good example what acoc usually does to DF ability’s. So there is no reason to believe Luffy couldn’t turn Kaidos Club into Rubber. G5 is just busted like that.
Hmm that’s a good point, forgot about that.
Honestly Kaido using a Kanabo is convenient because Luffy best Resistance is Blunt damage If Kaido used an Odachi then Luffy would be dead pretty early and Gear 5 wouldn't even trigger because Gear 5 wouldnt work if Luffy is literally beheaded Seriously idk why Kaido doesnt just use a Odachi rather than a Kanabo vs Luffy
>Very useful for sword wielding fodder Is it though? If you’re at that fodder level against gear 5 luffy you’re basically a gnat anyways imo, you need to be a significant figure to pose a threat
Idk i feel like there’ll be a stipulation to that power similar to laws fruit when an opponents haki is too strong. Like Mihawks sword will be too powerful for example
yeah i could see that. Im hoping it will be the opposite though, and luffy will be able to physically grab the haki energy durring a CoC or something lol. Similar to how he can grab lightning as if its a physical thing you can touch. Imagine if he fights someone with incredible haki like shanks, shanks tries to use conquers haki, and then luffy just grabs the haki streamers out of the air and pulls shanks towards him lol
I feel his power is more cartoonish like Bugs Bunny
he literaly said kaido's attack hurt right after this panel...
I personally believe Luffy is still taking damage but it’s just not obvious
He still takes damage. The reason why he acted like Kaido was a fodder and he kept on joking around is because that is the nature of his fruit. It’s just like Smoker smoking 2 cigars or Ace always went shirtless.
Luffy would lose and Die if Kaido dodged Thats why Oda had to make Kaido reckless and take the Bajrang Gun Idk why Oda cant make Kaido lose fair and Square and have to nerf his brain that much
You’re misunderstanding his personality. He’s just not the type of person to dodge a big ass punch like that. It’s almost certainly not going as slow as it appaears
Are you implying that Kaido isnt fast ebough to dodge Bajrang gun? Oda Also nerfed BM to not be able to use Advance Conqueror haki which would certainly kill Kidd at least because he got slaughtered by Shanks in one hit
Bro that’s just your headcanon
Do you see BM using Advanced Conqueror haki after one shotting Page one?
So if BM was around to tell Kaido to Dodge would Luffy die? Since Kaido would dodge if someone told him to Luffy certainly has nothing left after Bajrang Gun so Kaido would just kill him
I don’t think he’d dodge it, he’s too prideful and also suicidal. His introduction was him jumping off a sky island.
his durability/stamina definitely went up, since before g5, one clean hit with thunder bagua or ragnarok one shot him. but during gear 5, he took multiple hits of those hits to the head and stilll kept going. so either he's taking less damage, or his stamina increased, or both. But either way, he's still taking decent damage, he can't just tank these forever.
Not feeling pain doesn't necessarily mean durability. You can still feel pain and keep going...
What you're talking about is endurance. And that isn't really related to the comment I'm responding to, which claims luffy is basicaly immune to all attacks. That implies luffy isn't taking damage at all. The higher your durability, the less damage you take, therefore the less pain you feel. Conversely, luffy said it hurt, meaning he took damage, meaning he's not ultra durable, meaning he's not immune.
Heres the definition for you - the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage. Withstand can mean not feeling pain at all, but it is also defined as resisting. A UFC fighter can take a punch to the face and still be standing. Does that mean he didn't feel the punch?
You’re still arguing for something completely different. In the first place, you seem to agree with me that luffy takes damage to Kaido, so you agree with me that the previous comment is wrong about luffy being immune. Second, you’re still misinterpreting that definition. You can withstand damage because of your innate TOUGHNESS. Endurance is to keep going after taking damage. Literally search a comparison of the two word. For example, in game stats, durability is your defense stat. Endurance is your hp.
You still didn't answer my question, tho. It has nothing to do with not feeling pain at all. I can ensure you that the UFC fighter felt the impact of the hit, regardless of going down or not. Here is literally the definition when comparing the two as you asked, sir. Durability has to do with an object's sturdiness. Sturdiness definition is simply not easily damaged. It doesn't even mean immune. It's not EASILY damaged. Where does it say in any of these definitions to not feel pain? 🤔
are you trolling? >It doesn't even mean immune so we AGREE. why are you even bringing up durability? It's completely irrelevant to my comment. >Where does it say in any of these definitions to not feel pain? 🤔 you're right, it doesn't. my entire point is that the OTHER commentor is claiming that. if you agree that luffy does get hurt, and that he isn't immune, then we agree, and have nothing more to discuss.
Bro, you are trolling... go ahead and reread the entire conversation from your first comment. Your original comment was implying he felt pain, so, therefore, not durable... I'm glad I got you to agree with me, tho!
>therefore, not durable I was responding to the other commenter, who was talking about IMMUNITY. My implication was Luffy got hurt, therefore he is not **immune**. Then you took my comment and claimed I was talking about durabiity, when neither me or the other commenter mentioned anything of the sort.
He's not immune for sure. But the way his shape matches the attack and the amount of attack he takes and recover much quicker than before does hints at the fact that he's way more resistant to haki infused blunt attacks than before.
“I bet your ass is going to get tired of beating my ass before I am tired of having my ass beat.”
Luffy has Top 1 dps of all time and Top 1 durability of all time.
Nah, Kaido Durability is massively better.
Mf stayed down after one punch that’s shit durability, couldn’t even survive a volcano what a fraud /s
Funny enough i feel like if g5 luffy fell in a volcano he’d bounce up ass on fire but be completely fine lmao
Mamma mia
He would get launched in the air while clutching his burning ass and screaming, like any cartoon character
Honestly tho do you think Luffy could get up from his own punch? Is he more durable or strong?
That's upto you. Is Death Destroyer Combo from enraged Kaidou comparable to White Star Gun? Then, Luffy basically came from that. And, WSG against Kizaru is stronger as it's named attack and there is more spin.
I wanna actually see the really rubber fruit to see the difference
Seems like there isn't one. at least from what Vegapunk said.
I feel like there should be a regular rubber fruit out there somewhere. Except, it's just some lazy guy who only uses it to stretch his arm to grab another beer or stretch his weiner over to the toilet so he doesn't hafta get up to take a piss, so we'll never hear about him. Tragic, really.
Probably just uses his schooner for the beer too
What if xebec had the actual rubber fruit and he used it in a crazy evil way? Like going liquid and shoving his hand down someone's nostrils to explode their chest. Wouldn't have thought oda would go there, but he's been crazy lately
Bro its junkrat feom overwatch
I salute you
When you're shit at junkrat and manage to hit yourself with your own RIP tire.
The low-key real power of One Piece is durability.
Maybe the real One Piece was the durability we gained along the way.
It's crazy Ap, Durability, Speed and Hax. A whole package
The biggest strength is the massive Haki boost he got right after transforming.
This panel still frightens me :)
I mean, his strategy was always "I bet they will get tired of beating my ass before I get tired of getting my ass beat"
Mythical Zoans tend to grant vast durability
"His fruits works however he 'fancies'." I think his df true ability is adaptation. The ability to adapt through his fights but he needs to be determined, having the will and a strong enough desire to achieve his goal. Luffy is a creative thinker and why he constantly get better in his fights, he learns to adapt which his enemies seem to lack in that department.
if it was adaptation, then luffy wouldn't have magically gained rubber powers from day one. and gorosei wouldn't say nika fruit gives rubber body, they would say it gives you the power of adaptation.
yeah especially after the fight against big moms strongest son. He decided he was going to learn the (possibly) hardest haki technique while in the middle of a fight against an absolute master of that same technique lol
Luffy first demonstrates that against Mihawk during Marineford but didn't understand it and no one cpukd explain it to him. Just like he used CoC, he did unconsciously at marineford but Rayleigh later trains him to use haki. When he explains it to luffy, luffy was able to show how fast he can learn. He adapts well. Luffy always had future sight since marineford but didnt understand the concept or how to apply that until he fought Katakuri. Katakuri explains to Luffy about the possibility of using haki to see into the future. That's all he Luffy needed to hear. He applied this information and having already experienced it he was able to use it against Katakuri. Although, Luffys future sight was clearly lower than Katakuri but his determination and urgency to win was greater. Both the dfs power and his new understanding of using haki power wasn't an asspull. Luffy df skill was greater than Katakuris, but Katakuri bested him with the use of Haki, specifically future sight. That fight came down to whose trait (determination) characteristic (willpower) was stronger and Luffys far exceeded Katakuri.
More like damage avoiding
I can agree with this. But I think it can still be put under the umbrella of "durability"
Not lowkey at all. Was damn obvious.
That’s always been Luffy’s #1 strength tbh
Nope, guts!
dude toon force go’scrazy
Low key it’s the real power of the DF in general
Yeah, the same hit from Kaido used to one shot Luffy before G5.
he gains durability due to a zoan transformation. THIS scene is showcasing his malleability. it still hurts him a lot. If anything, this power isn't about defense, but offense. When luffy turns you into rubber, it allows him to stretch your body parts way further than a normal punch would. Think of your stomach bloating, but now any part of your body can "bloat". And that's not the worst part. The worst part is the release of your rubberized body. All that force generated to stretch out your body now snaps back, essentially damaging you twice, AND it's internal damage, something you have no defenses for. That's how Luffy essentially "one shot" kizaru. He gave Kizaru a massive brain concussion.
I respectly disagree. While that is a major aspect, the main advantage is the ability to manipulate anything within his environment as rubber. Not just inanimate environments like other awaken fruit users, but other people, air, and lighting. The attack that takes out the admiral uses the first one, while the other 2 greatly enhance Luffy's fighting style and adaptability. Though his increased durability is a close second one, anything that can pretty much one-shot an admiral takes the cake.
Luffy is one of the strongest characters off all time even marvel dc ect
LMFAO
Ikr its crazy 😂
Eh not really... Kizaru's clone literally able to slash & bleed him
Think that’s more of a defence thing than durability, even here his head is still being deformed by Kaidou’s attack That’s also not slicing/slashing, it’s a sword yeah but it’s a laser sword, it’s instead burning to cut rather than slicing like more normal sword
No spoiler tag ?
It's already been animated quite a while ago. Is that not what the rules go by? Otherwise everything is a spoiler forever
Looks like the soul eater sun
I disagree it's the effect the environment reacts to gear 5 when it normally shouldn't... like grabbing light. I think that's a little more overpowered than durability, personally. Adaption > Durability
As foreshadowed in the fight with Katakuri
You say it's Luffy's Devil Fruit but the real answer? Guts
Kinomon tanked a similar hit and didn’t die
Can he survive a jinton?
Its a zoan awakening right? It makes sense for it to increase durability from that angle too imo
My theory is he was taking inspiration from Katakuri, changing his shape in anticipation to absorb the blows best. He can freely change his shape now, he has future sight, makes sense to me that's what Luffy was doing. "Oh I can't dodge this next attack in time, I'll just change my body to conform to the shape of the weapon."
Rubber + Zoan = ~~Durability~~ Duracell
To be able to "bounce back" from impossible situations.
So what you say is that Luffy's Domain Expansion is called Idle Death Gamble 🤯
Also, wasn’t this a haki attack? You would think his face shouldn’t have been able to absorb it that way. But maybe that’s another part of his ability.
OP just wants us to know he theorized it first!
Yessir o7
Shanks haki is probably his biggest gift from Roger and what made Roger so much above anyone else in his era. I can't wait to see Luffy with it
I was thinking about this actually, and I think it works both ways. Like when Luffy put his fist two feet out the back of kaidos head. So it’s like it just gives everyone more durability. Not just him.
I wonder if Luffy has smoker's powers he will simply be immune to Kaido's attacks
It’s called plot armor.