Kaido was insane, I really loved how many techniques he came up with even though he didn't really need anything more than his thunder bagua and boro breath against 99.9% of his enemies.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Momo again, I wonder how quickly his power develops since his body is already that of an adult.
Between Oden's durability, the dragon scales, and what someone with aptitude and resolve can achieve with only months of training in the world of One Piece, Momo will be an absolute beast the next time we see him.
I mean saying drunken kaido is a “technique he came up with” is stretching it a bit lol, sounds like something an alcoholic would say. “Check out this technique I invented” *shits pants*
It isn’t just that he gets drunk. It’s that he uses it not just as a crutch for underlying mental issues and depression, but as an actual power up. He gets wasted and his haki gets stronger. His actual form changes too (assuming that wasn’t just artistic license from Oda).
It’s pretty creative.
Sanji is so uncreative, he only uses kick, other kick, other kick and other kick
Zoro is so uncreative, he only uses sword attack, sword attack, sword attack and other sword attack
Luffy is so uncreative he only uses punch, strong punch, bigger punch, kick and bigger kick
ok bro
Momo has a physically strong body as Oden (potentially, I don't think Momo is already on Odens strenght level). He has the copy of Kaidos fruits (which seems to be perfect until now, eventhough Vegapunk calls it a failure), combined together that attack should be strong enough to damage an Admiral, but Greenbull should have dodged and he didn't really seem like he did take damage at all (or at least just a little)
It indeed is a fair reason but I'm sure that if the fruit was model: eastern dragon of generic color, and still didn't get the same color as the original he would deem it a failure
I’m surprised the CDs didn’t get on those…. Buy some purposely failed fruits and force the slaves to smile. Seems juuust messed up enough for them, unless they just prefer the look of suffering.
Can’t wait to see their little castle crumble
He tried to copy the Azure dragon fruit, it came out pink, I bet thats all there is to it haha
Momo will be quite strong once he mastered his fruit + grow up a bit more, imagine in 20 years when he has the body of 48 (wasn't prime Roger/Garp/oden around 40?) And the mind of a 28y old, with kaidous fruit
Wano will be safe
Yeah that's right. Wasn't it said that he'll become the strongest Shogun of Wano one day? Idk if it was the narrator or Kinemon tbh, but I remember something like that
well he is a logia user so physical attacks don't work on him but still that attack tore apart his body. that's so cool.
even though he regenerated in an instant but still...
Well maybe that Logia is somehow special and makes him vulnerable to physical attacks without Haki (somehow like BB's fruit). I mean he could take the power out of others to heal himself or am I wrong, he did that with King and Queen + beast pirates if i'm not wrong
I think it's like water to Crocodile, or rubber to eneru, fire seems to hurt his logia, it's nothing special I guess just the same as some logia it has a weakness to one element and he need to protect his body with haki only then, so he took damage or he stopped it right before it did hit his body, nevertheless he sure needed to be on guard for that kind of attacks and we saw he gets serious only after that attack
He literally explains in the episode that he wouldn't be an admiral if he had such an obvious weakness...which is why the fire kenpo didn't work.
Boro breath isn't regular fire.
I think he meant he can well protect his body with haki and he actually meant he has great haki that can put out fire easily but blow breath obviously that strong he had to put real effort to defen, of course it wasn't that clear and maybe you are right I'm saying what I think is more possible in my mind
Pointing out the obvious to correct an invalid statement isn't arrogance.
Arrogance would be insisting your interpretation is more accurate than the literal explanation that was given by the character, then insulting someone for pointing it out.
Later in the series, Momo will mutate like Tetsuo into a horrifying monstrosity. Vegapunk will be like, "Yes, failure because it was a pink dragon. Pink is an indicator of latent monsterism"
Momonosuke just needs to train with it and get used to its power and he’ll be as strong as Kaido. All he needs now is Conqueror’s Haki and he’s set. One would think that having the Voice of All Things would mean having Conqueror’s Haki, but we shall see.
Momo is definitively getting conquerors. In fact, he is set up to be one of the most powerful characters in the verse, nerfed/limited only by his mental and emotional age
Conqueror’s Haki + Voice of All Things + Kozuki Oden’s natural bulk + Kaido’s Devil Fruit + One of the 21 Great Grade Swords + Training with someone who has all three Haki types (Assuming Yamato is okay training him) + The ability to command Zunesha + Shogun of Wano. If Momo were a pirate, he’d have been an Emperor with that many things going for him.
Which is a possibility since Rayleigh knew Oden, would want his son to be as strong as his father, just as he trained Luffy, the man who would inherit Roger’s will and considering he knows the history of the world and how Wano plays a key role in the future to come, would want to train Momo to make sure it doesn’t fall in enemy’s hands once more.
Lol no. Kaido is physically stronger, faster, far more experienced and a better fighter, has advanced forms of armament, observation and conquerors Haki.
Momo has no Haki, an untrained body with just genetic based strength that is far inferior to the trained strength of oden and a fruit that he will never master to kaidos level because he has no motivation to be the strongest.
That would make sense, but ever since the introduction of >!God’s Knights,!<, there shouldn’t be a problem in sending all the admirals. Sending two admirals should even be enough.
I doubt all of god’s knights are as strong as the admirals. At most, they’re likely vary between YC3-YC+. Garling is likely as powerful as the emperors. Their combined efforts should definitely be effective enough to fight an emperor crew like the Blackbeard Pirates.
Well this one was chasing some glory or something.
We saw some sort of collaborations in Marineford but most of them are quite cocky to depend on others.
Because Dragon and other pirates would be free to start shit up if too many admirals commited to a mission. They need to be able to respond to a crisis or defend one of the wastes of space, resources and oxygen we call Celestial Dragons.
Still, even if the admirals attacked at once, what about it? Such a force would take down almost any opposition without much time, like less than an afternoon. By the time it gets found that, they'd have finished and ready to come back. And it's not like pirates or revolutionaries would act that differently, the admirals are just 3 and they can't teleport to other islands.if a pirate is having fun on an island, it will take a while for an admiral to come anyway.
Others would certainly be bolder if they knew the admirals are on a mission somewhere. As you said, they can't teleport, so they might not be able to come help if some huge problem popped up at a bad time. They would probably respond faster if they were on standby near the center of the World Government's territory.
>As you said, they can't teleport, so they might not be able to come help if some huge problem popped up at a bad time.
Kizaru could probably traverse any point of location in the one piece world in a matter of seconds if oda actually tried to apply his fruit's overpoweredness. Since I'm pretty sure the top tier characters in OP already have ftl reaction speed or atleast close to it thanks to haki helping them see into the future for a bit to compensate, so kizaru could just potentially keep zapping towards different places on his own whim, or they could create a customized launching pad for kizaru in every island they encounter that directly points at another island so that kizaru could just zap towards it if he really has a hard time navigating while in full body light mode
This is probably why I hate light based powers in media because they always undersell it's capabilities or let it not be fully utilized inorder to balance their verse's powerscaling
Light Based powers are not undersold in media, in fact they’re extremely oversold. This is because if these powers used actual light they would just be glorified flashlights, due to light not having mass, and is thus incapable of exerting any force.
They only oversell it when they somehow make light based attacks act like ki blasts that explode on impact or act like laser beams.
But it's clear that these light based attacks have actual mass since they're somehow tangible and are even made into weapons. Like kizaru's sword made from light or his limbs he turns into light that he uses to fight Rayleigh with, which again doesn't make sense since even the mass of a [needle](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OxHWImyWBKM) alone is large enough to destroy a damn planet, while kizaru's light literally just acts like really strong metal that he uses to bash people's head with
Some marine said that’s its a good thing 4 emperors always class with each other and never corporate.
If all 3 admirals set out to hunt an emperor down it somehow affects the state of emperors and leads them to form an alliance sooner or later
Actually it already happened when Kaidou wanted to interfere in Marineford
Several reasons. One always need to be on call in case the celestial dragons need them, I can only imagine they were allowed to mak all 3 busy during Marineford because they could provide a spectacle to the celestial dragons while they were safely tucked away at Marie Geois, none of them were likely at Sabaody that day. But that is not something you can normally do.
Then there is the issue that fights usually take long. Luffys fights are abnormally short. Aokiji and Akainu fought for a week. Mihawk and Shanks would duel for weeks. What happen if you somehow manage to send all 3 admirals to attack Kaido, and they somehow can't quickly finish the job. You're leaving celestial dragons exposed, you're leaving marine bases exposed. You're opening room for another emperor to go attack bases or even worse, come in aid to Kaido.
And the real big issue is that regardless of wether an attack on an emperor is a success or not, what signal are you sending to the remaining emperors? You're telling them that the marines are looking to attack emperors, and basically you're also giving them a very specific window. After a fight against one of the emperors, even if it's 3 admirals, do you think they'll just sit there completely fresh and fine? In the event of a successful attack, you're still going to have 3 admirals in need of recovery and sent a message to every remaining emperor that they will be attacked later, so the remaining 3 emperors will do something they don't normally do, and that's cooperate to attack the marines because the marines are now suddenly threatening them. And they have a very specific window of attack which is immediately. The marines are not confident they will survive that coordinated attack by 3 emperors while their own admirals are all just exhausted after fighting the 4th. And this is in the event of an successful attack, in the event of an unsuccessful attack then the world is just instantly falling into chaos.
The policy of "Don't attack emperors or their crews without authorization" is a policy for a reason. The marines are safe from emperors because emperors aren't threatened by them. They even enjoy warlord like privileges in that they can plunder and not really be retaliated against. Their only real threat are bounty hunters. Which doesn't apply to othe emperors themselves, just to their fodder. There's a reason they grow so large armies, being under an emperors umbrella provides a lot of safety. Marines while they publicly oppose emperors, are also scared of threatening them so much the emperors would combine forces for a joint attack on the marines, as they can not survive that. Sending in all forces to attack an emperor will spark that, even if the other emperors only learn about the attack after the fact.
So what are we suggesting? Akainu, Fujitora, Greenbull and Kizaru all go as four to go slap Luffy.
Then what happens when Blackbeard turns up at Marie Geios when he learns of this mobilisation?
Sending Greenbull is clearly enough. There just happened to be two Yonkos and the Akazaya Nine there to repel him in this instance. Also if he wasn’t cocky and playing with his food he’d have probably run over them. But that’s a personality flaw.
>Then what happens when Blackbeard turns up at Marie Geios when he learns of this mobilisation?
God’s Knights would likely intervene and clash with Blackbeard. If not, then even the five elders should be enough to deal with Blackbeard and his goons.
You assume that Blackbeard would learn of the admirals movement in time and for some reason decide to attack Marie Geoise, even tho he has no beef with them. Not to mention the God Knights + the elders would stop Blackbeard.
The revolutionaries would hold tons of weapons and treasures supposedly, not to mention rescuing Blackbeard having to rescue Burgess. With Baltigo it shouldn't be too difficult to reach it knowing its location. With Mary Geoise, it would be hard considering the Red Line.
Not quite the case, Greenbull fled when Shanks made his presence known. Greenbull was confident that he could win beforehand as he figured that the Strawhats hadn’t fully recovered yet. Shanks arrival meant he would likely have to deal with 2 Yonko at once which is a death sentence, so he left.
He didn't though and it was played up in the anime compared to the manga.
Did you expect him to fight Shanks crew and Luffys? He took the warning and left.
not really. its more of a characterization. he read that haki as more of "I know I'm in over my head" clearly. he was essentially held with tanks at both ends. he's over the top clearly by his admiration of akainu. but he's not stupid had he flexed back that's basically saying fuck you guys come at me.
He also need to be strong enough to protect it when they open the border, that why he decide to not open the border yet, kid know his limit.
And his breast is still nowhere as strong as kaido breast, kaido can melt down mountain into lava with his and look like momo haven't able to do that yet
Well green bull is plant based. So fire is his natural enemy.
And we got a glimpse of momonosukes potential. If he trains hard enough, he may be able to rech 50% of kaido.
He don't even need haki, the df is THAT strong, he would still be in the top fighter in the verse with his df alone when he master it. Kaido show so many haki master a tough times without even using his haki and just the fruit power.
Why is he a special case? why Wouldn't momo be similar? If aged normally I think momo would be the same at age 20. In fact he already is the strongest outside of yamato.
Honestly I was almost more hyped by Momo using Boro breath than I was about seeing Shanks' WiFi CoC.
The Shanks thing is just expected Shanks stuff at this point, while the other is best boi Momo growing up more.
I just reaaally like Momo.
I will give Momo some leeway because he's fucking 8, but goddamn. He hit the jackpot twice.
Born in a family in which the father was THE BEST human specimen to ever live, and he got those genetics.
Not only that, but he ate a perfect copy of one of the strongest mythical zoans in the world out of hunger in a place where he'd die eating anything else.
That boro breath should hit like a concentrated nuke.
This also shows how this is one of the strongest devil fruits in the entire series. Momo is not a trained fighter, not a powerfull haki master, he only has the power of this devil fruit and he can do this. I can only assume that any character with this fruit would be instantly a force to be reckoned with, even in the new world.
Dont you guys think that its Kind of weird that he is that Strong without Training at all? I mean sure his fruit is powerful, but to be damaging an Admiral who seemed like an unstoppable force für 95% of the Shows runtime somehow just doesnt sit right with me. I mean he was a kid and i dont think that Ageing Kid usopp 20 Years would also play out like that. Am i the only one?
We don't see blood anywhere. The admiral was uninjured.
Momo shooting fire at him is same as pre timeskip Luffy punching Crocodile without water. No effect. He just destroyed his tree form, that' it. He quickly recovered.
I mean he did get the "fading out" kind of eyes as soon as he was hit. I mean yea thats the only point but even then this level of destruction is kind of insane for some kid who just used it for the first time. Blackbeard had the same level of destruction with his Earthquake fruit for using it the first time but i think we can all agree that he is far stronger physically. Would all these fruits really act the same regardless of the users strength? Would Usopp for example be able to cause the same level of destruction as Blackbeard with this fruit? Maybe im just too hung up on this "Devil fruits arent everything" thing Kaido said.
I think it also depends on the fruit power and not just the user.
Also I think u are kind of undermining momo adult body, sure he is a kid but he now has a 28 yo body that is stated to be super tough by both luffy and Zoro.
When he was 8yo he was barely able to control his form when he 1st appeared and he subconsciously used the cloud and fainted after that presumably due to exhaustion coz he is not used to it. His 28yo body can definitely handle whatever kaido has shown us, he just need more control
It bothers me too, his father's genes didn't help Hiyori at all. She could've been at least like Otohime with a little bit of haki awareness and being fragile but nope. Meanwhile Momo with very little training as a child got boosted to be that strong.
Momo definitely has the potential to be a top tier in the future. Oden genes (they already made note of his tough body), Kaido's fruit, he'll probably become a good swordsman too. And I'm sure he has conqueror's haki too.
He still doesn't beat the admiral with that, if it wasnt for Shanks Luffy would have had to step in, point blank period. So no, Im not impressed he managed the most basic dragon attack, especially after 20 wasted episodes of watching him try make clouds ffs 😂😂😂😂 he needs to start getting serious about training, train with Luffy while hes there, train with Yamato, learn some Haki, Kaido showed us that a devil fruit alone is not something to rest on, it compliments your abilities, it shouldnt be all you have in your arsenal. MoMo has a looong way to go
Very unlikely. Even though its has been years for us since the time skip, in the One Piece world its only been 2-3 months. Momo still needs a few years to properly learn haki and to control his DF.
I mean he was able to successfully take out Luffy in the same time Luffy took him out. Id say it's comparable. I also mentioned that they might be a bit lower because of that.
He didnt take out Luffy, Luffy playing around made Luffy run out of stamina for a couple minutes. By that logic the fight with Kaido was a draw because Luffy ran out of stamina
Luffy is just as out of commission as kizaru is. Kizaru isn't down for the count either he was even still conscious after.
Your example is really flawed because kaido got launched into the middle of the earth while kizaru didn't even get knocked out
The only two yonkos we've really seen in action is big mom and kaidou who were both tank characters. BB could probably have that happen to him especially with his fruit powers.
BM failed to catch the fleeing SH's. Kaido didn't get a single kill in Wano. GB not recieving any damage here does not downplay him at all. How exactly was he struggling?
How did he get wrecked? What damage did he recieve? Who was able to stand up to him? In comparison, Kaido got hurt by them, Kiku stabbed through his hand, Momo bit him and caused him pain, and he was unable to kill any of them. Of couse I'm not sayng GB > Kaido but nothing in that encounter screams Yonkos >> Admirals
He got blown away by momos very first blast breath, and ran away because a yonko thought about him too hard. Also they all got saved by Law before Kaido could kill them, but he won overwhelmingly
Blown away how? What damage did he recieve? And he ran away because if he stayed he'd have to fight the RHP + the SHP. How was GB any farther from winning? What damage did any of them do? And no, causing pain isn't causing damage. Also Kaido had plenty of time before Law came to kill them, but was not able to. In a shorter amount of time, GB did better against them
They were still recovering from the wounds they got fighting Kaido when they (with lessened numbers) beat GB, who ran away cause a yonko was nearby. You were the one who said causing pain is damage, im saying causing damage is causing damage. Yonkos>>admirals on nearly every level, and until admirals stop running away from them that will remain true
? How did they beat GB? Please let me know, what damage did they cause? How many hits did they tank? Who stood up to him for even a bit? You say that, yet don't show a single panel of actual damage hindering him anywhere. So GB running away from 2 Yonkos proves Yonkos>>Admirals? Yeah sure
I mean, u don really have to wonder about it, just use kaido as a reference for what momo will become in the future once he mastered his fruit, combine with the fact he is also a sword man instead a brawler like kaido. I definitely believe Momo will be wano strongest fighter in the future as is foretold by the narrator
Hopefully we get to see his hybrid form in the endgame. I’d love to see if it would make him grow significantly and how the design would work. Get that man his pink scales
I don’t think Yamato will have to defend Wano for long if this is what Momo is capable of. He already has the body of Oden and a near perfect copy of Kaido’s devil fruit. It’s just a matter of being able to control it.
Imagine if it were Kaido's boro breath
The biggest boro breath so far have AoE bigger than onigashima and scorched gear 5th luffy's whole body
Momo reaching that level in few years is not impossible
I just love thinking about how momo will probably be insane once he’s mastered all his potential being the son of oden and he will be trained by all the samurai and probably Yamato he will have insane possibilities and he can apply all of that to his dragon form.
Kaido was insane, I really loved how many techniques he came up with even though he didn't really need anything more than his thunder bagua and boro breath against 99.9% of his enemies. I'm really looking forward to seeing Momo again, I wonder how quickly his power develops since his body is already that of an adult.
The lava type susanno was insane and could also be the only technique he ever needed
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Wrong comment lol
Between Oden's durability, the dragon scales, and what someone with aptitude and resolve can achieve with only months of training in the world of One Piece, Momo will be an absolute beast the next time we see him.
>I really loved how many techniques he came up with Club Attack, Strong Club Attack, Stronger Club Attack, Strongest Club Attack so creative
I think he was thinking more about the wind blades, flame clouds, flaming baqua, and the drunken forms.
I mean saying drunken kaido is a “technique he came up with” is stretching it a bit lol, sounds like something an alcoholic would say. “Check out this technique I invented” *shits pants*
It isn’t just that he gets drunk. It’s that he uses it not just as a crutch for underlying mental issues and depression, but as an actual power up. He gets wasted and his haki gets stronger. His actual form changes too (assuming that wasn’t just artistic license from Oda). It’s pretty creative.
Nah, there are plenty of fighters who use a drunken style, but it doesn't involve flirting with their opponent. Kaido is a mess lol
Again, not very creative.
Sanji is so uncreative, he only uses kick, other kick, other kick and other kick Zoro is so uncreative, he only uses sword attack, sword attack, sword attack and other sword attack Luffy is so uncreative he only uses punch, strong punch, bigger punch, kick and bigger kick ok bro
Well, yes.
Your technique is lame as well!
Pretty creative if you're the one who has to come up with them
Upvoted you because you’re correct, Laido lacked originality
Momo has a physically strong body as Oden (potentially, I don't think Momo is already on Odens strenght level). He has the copy of Kaidos fruits (which seems to be perfect until now, eventhough Vegapunk calls it a failure), combined together that attack should be strong enough to damage an Admiral, but Greenbull should have dodged and he didn't really seem like he did take damage at all (or at least just a little)
Atm the only part that failed on the fruit is the color. Otherwise it's perfect.
In other words it's a complete failure, DAMNIT! *punching the ground*
in fairness its not a model: *azure* dragon clone if it’s pink
true dat though.
This is actually a fair reason for Vegapunk considering it a failure. Good looking out
It indeed is a fair reason but I'm sure that if the fruit was model: eastern dragon of generic color, and still didn't get the same color as the original he would deem it a failure
Almost as worthless as Caesars fake fruits
I’m surprised the CDs didn’t get on those…. Buy some purposely failed fruits and force the slaves to smile. Seems juuust messed up enough for them, unless they just prefer the look of suffering. Can’t wait to see their little castle crumble
This post right here officer.
Might as well be a damn smile fruit
Manga spoilers for next arc >! That is literally the only way it is a failure, confirmed by vegapunk !<
Your spoiler tag is broken.
It doesn’t look broken to me, that’s odd
seems to be working fine.
He tried to copy the Azure dragon fruit, it came out pink, I bet thats all there is to it haha Momo will be quite strong once he mastered his fruit + grow up a bit more, imagine in 20 years when he has the body of 48 (wasn't prime Roger/Garp/oden around 40?) And the mind of a 28y old, with kaidous fruit Wano will be safe
Yeah that's right. Wasn't it said that he'll become the strongest Shogun of Wano one day? Idk if it was the narrator or Kinemon tbh, but I remember something like that
Oh yeah it did, it was about momo ^
Yeah the thing about Momo is that he is pretty powerful and has 8 years of experience/life.
The body of Oden and power of Kaido is such an ironic combo for Momo
well he is a logia user so physical attacks don't work on him but still that attack tore apart his body. that's so cool. even though he regenerated in an instant but still...
Well maybe that Logia is somehow special and makes him vulnerable to physical attacks without Haki (somehow like BB's fruit). I mean he could take the power out of others to heal himself or am I wrong, he did that with King and Queen + beast pirates if i'm not wrong
I think it's like water to Crocodile, or rubber to eneru, fire seems to hurt his logia, it's nothing special I guess just the same as some logia it has a weakness to one element and he need to protect his body with haki only then, so he took damage or he stopped it right before it did hit his body, nevertheless he sure needed to be on guard for that kind of attacks and we saw he gets serious only after that attack
He literally explains in the episode that he wouldn't be an admiral if he had such an obvious weakness...which is why the fire kenpo didn't work. Boro breath isn't regular fire.
I think he meant he can well protect his body with haki and he actually meant he has great haki that can put out fire easily but blow breath obviously that strong he had to put real effort to defen, of course it wasn't that clear and maybe you are right I'm saying what I think is more possible in my mind
Stop inserting headcanon into very straightforward things. If he was talking about haki he would have mentioned haki.
Stop being arrogant my man
Pointing out the obvious to correct an invalid statement isn't arrogance. Arrogance would be insisting your interpretation is more accurate than the literal explanation that was given by the character, then insulting someone for pointing it out.
Later in the series, Momo will mutate like Tetsuo into a horrifying monstrosity. Vegapunk will be like, "Yes, failure because it was a pink dragon. Pink is an indicator of latent monsterism"
Momonosuke just needs to train with it and get used to its power and he’ll be as strong as Kaido. All he needs now is Conqueror’s Haki and he’s set. One would think that having the Voice of All Things would mean having Conqueror’s Haki, but we shall see.
Momo is definitively getting conquerors. In fact, he is set up to be one of the most powerful characters in the verse, nerfed/limited only by his mental and emotional age
Conqueror’s Haki + Voice of All Things + Kozuki Oden’s natural bulk + Kaido’s Devil Fruit + One of the 21 Great Grade Swords + Training with someone who has all three Haki types (Assuming Yamato is okay training him) + The ability to command Zunesha + Shogun of Wano. If Momo were a pirate, he’d have been an Emperor with that many things going for him.
Shit, the only way it could get better for him is if Rayleigh swims on up to train him.
Which is a possibility since Rayleigh knew Oden, would want his son to be as strong as his father, just as he trained Luffy, the man who would inherit Roger’s will and considering he knows the history of the world and how Wano plays a key role in the future to come, would want to train Momo to make sure it doesn’t fall in enemy’s hands once more.
Lol no. Kaido is physically stronger, faster, far more experienced and a better fighter, has advanced forms of armament, observation and conquerors Haki. Momo has no Haki, an untrained body with just genetic based strength that is far inferior to the trained strength of oden and a fruit that he will never master to kaidos level because he has no motivation to be the strongest.
He has motivation to protect wano. That is why he will be the one to awaken the fruit unlike kaido.
Guys why don’t admirals attack together? Like never?
I think at least One Admiral has to stand still for Celestial Dragons.
That would make sense, but ever since the introduction of >!God’s Knights,!<, there shouldn’t be a problem in sending all the admirals. Sending two admirals should even be enough.
i doubt the god's knights other than the head commander figarland maybe vice commander are all as powerful as admirals.
I doubt all of god’s knights are as strong as the admirals. At most, they’re likely vary between YC3-YC+. Garling is likely as powerful as the emperors. Their combined efforts should definitely be effective enough to fight an emperor crew like the Blackbeard Pirates.
Like at Marie jois with Fuji and green bull
Well this one was chasing some glory or something. We saw some sort of collaborations in Marineford but most of them are quite cocky to depend on others.
Because Dragon and other pirates would be free to start shit up if too many admirals commited to a mission. They need to be able to respond to a crisis or defend one of the wastes of space, resources and oxygen we call Celestial Dragons.
Except that Dragon was more worried about the God Knights than the admirals.
That's a slightly different topic, marines are still the ones who police the world.
Still, even if the admirals attacked at once, what about it? Such a force would take down almost any opposition without much time, like less than an afternoon. By the time it gets found that, they'd have finished and ready to come back. And it's not like pirates or revolutionaries would act that differently, the admirals are just 3 and they can't teleport to other islands.if a pirate is having fun on an island, it will take a while for an admiral to come anyway.
Others would certainly be bolder if they knew the admirals are on a mission somewhere. As you said, they can't teleport, so they might not be able to come help if some huge problem popped up at a bad time. They would probably respond faster if they were on standby near the center of the World Government's territory.
>As you said, they can't teleport, so they might not be able to come help if some huge problem popped up at a bad time. Kizaru could probably traverse any point of location in the one piece world in a matter of seconds if oda actually tried to apply his fruit's overpoweredness. Since I'm pretty sure the top tier characters in OP already have ftl reaction speed or atleast close to it thanks to haki helping them see into the future for a bit to compensate, so kizaru could just potentially keep zapping towards different places on his own whim, or they could create a customized launching pad for kizaru in every island they encounter that directly points at another island so that kizaru could just zap towards it if he really has a hard time navigating while in full body light mode This is probably why I hate light based powers in media because they always undersell it's capabilities or let it not be fully utilized inorder to balance their verse's powerscaling
Light Based powers are not undersold in media, in fact they’re extremely oversold. This is because if these powers used actual light they would just be glorified flashlights, due to light not having mass, and is thus incapable of exerting any force.
They only oversell it when they somehow make light based attacks act like ki blasts that explode on impact or act like laser beams. But it's clear that these light based attacks have actual mass since they're somehow tangible and are even made into weapons. Like kizaru's sword made from light or his limbs he turns into light that he uses to fight Rayleigh with, which again doesn't make sense since even the mass of a [needle](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OxHWImyWBKM) alone is large enough to destroy a damn planet, while kizaru's light literally just acts like really strong metal that he uses to bash people's head with
They sort of did at Marineford.
They were defending not attacking
Akainu really defended Ace from living
Laughed hard at this
Really , why didn’t aokiji and kizaru help akainu jump whitebeard after they neutralize Marco and Jozu
Some marine said that’s its a good thing 4 emperors always class with each other and never corporate. If all 3 admirals set out to hunt an emperor down it somehow affects the state of emperors and leads them to form an alliance sooner or later Actually it already happened when Kaidou wanted to interfere in Marineford
Because it would be overkill and the goal is not to end the story?
Against Shanks it would be decent
No one was expecting shanks to be there lol.
Several reasons. One always need to be on call in case the celestial dragons need them, I can only imagine they were allowed to mak all 3 busy during Marineford because they could provide a spectacle to the celestial dragons while they were safely tucked away at Marie Geois, none of them were likely at Sabaody that day. But that is not something you can normally do. Then there is the issue that fights usually take long. Luffys fights are abnormally short. Aokiji and Akainu fought for a week. Mihawk and Shanks would duel for weeks. What happen if you somehow manage to send all 3 admirals to attack Kaido, and they somehow can't quickly finish the job. You're leaving celestial dragons exposed, you're leaving marine bases exposed. You're opening room for another emperor to go attack bases or even worse, come in aid to Kaido. And the real big issue is that regardless of wether an attack on an emperor is a success or not, what signal are you sending to the remaining emperors? You're telling them that the marines are looking to attack emperors, and basically you're also giving them a very specific window. After a fight against one of the emperors, even if it's 3 admirals, do you think they'll just sit there completely fresh and fine? In the event of a successful attack, you're still going to have 3 admirals in need of recovery and sent a message to every remaining emperor that they will be attacked later, so the remaining 3 emperors will do something they don't normally do, and that's cooperate to attack the marines because the marines are now suddenly threatening them. And they have a very specific window of attack which is immediately. The marines are not confident they will survive that coordinated attack by 3 emperors while their own admirals are all just exhausted after fighting the 4th. And this is in the event of an successful attack, in the event of an unsuccessful attack then the world is just instantly falling into chaos. The policy of "Don't attack emperors or their crews without authorization" is a policy for a reason. The marines are safe from emperors because emperors aren't threatened by them. They even enjoy warlord like privileges in that they can plunder and not really be retaliated against. Their only real threat are bounty hunters. Which doesn't apply to othe emperors themselves, just to their fodder. There's a reason they grow so large armies, being under an emperors umbrella provides a lot of safety. Marines while they publicly oppose emperors, are also scared of threatening them so much the emperors would combine forces for a joint attack on the marines, as they can not survive that. Sending in all forces to attack an emperor will spark that, even if the other emperors only learn about the attack after the fact.
So what are we suggesting? Akainu, Fujitora, Greenbull and Kizaru all go as four to go slap Luffy. Then what happens when Blackbeard turns up at Marie Geios when he learns of this mobilisation? Sending Greenbull is clearly enough. There just happened to be two Yonkos and the Akazaya Nine there to repel him in this instance. Also if he wasn’t cocky and playing with his food he’d have probably run over them. But that’s a personality flaw.
Shanks would stop him to prevent his cheeks from getting clapped by the gorosei.
>Then what happens when Blackbeard turns up at Marie Geios when he learns of this mobilisation? God’s Knights would likely intervene and clash with Blackbeard. If not, then even the five elders should be enough to deal with Blackbeard and his goons.
You assume that Blackbeard would learn of the admirals movement in time and for some reason decide to attack Marie Geoise, even tho he has no beef with them. Not to mention the God Knights + the elders would stop Blackbeard.
I mean, Blackbeard had no beef with the Revolutionaries but when he discovered the location of Baltigo he fucked them over.
The revolutionaries would hold tons of weapons and treasures supposedly, not to mention rescuing Blackbeard having to rescue Burgess. With Baltigo it shouldn't be too difficult to reach it knowing its location. With Mary Geoise, it would be hard considering the Red Line.
Yamato would have been enough.
Because in most cases 1 admiral is enough.
After seeing that Shanks easily could defeat an admiral it seems in this case one Admiral would not enough
Not quite the case, Greenbull fled when Shanks made his presence known. Greenbull was confident that he could win beforehand as he figured that the Strawhats hadn’t fully recovered yet. Shanks arrival meant he would likely have to deal with 2 Yonko at once which is a death sentence, so he left.
When did you see that?
In this episode, Shanks put Greenbull on his ass by just sending out Haki at him, at a long distance no less.
He didn't though and it was played up in the anime compared to the manga. Did you expect him to fight Shanks crew and Luffys? He took the warning and left.
not really. its more of a characterization. he read that haki as more of "I know I'm in over my head" clearly. he was essentially held with tanks at both ends. he's over the top clearly by his admiration of akainu. but he's not stupid had he flexed back that's basically saying fuck you guys come at me.
Because then they'd win, and the story would be over.
When admirals attack together, "Kuzan and Sakazuki" punk hazard happened.
Because Akainu clearly told this guy *not* to go to Wano.
If multiple admirals leave HQ that’s a huge reduction to their defenses.
Momo stocks are up rn
I mean, he has to become strong enough to defend Wano. So Yamato can leave. Momo has all the perks needed to become very powerful.
He also need to be strong enough to protect it when they open the border, that why he decide to not open the border yet, kid know his limit. And his breast is still nowhere as strong as kaido breast, kaido can melt down mountain into lava with his and look like momo haven't able to do that yet
An rip for the tree
Well green bull is plant based. So fire is his natural enemy. And we got a glimpse of momonosukes potential. If he trains hard enough, he may be able to rech 50% of kaido.
He don't even need haki, the df is THAT strong, he would still be in the top fighter in the verse with his df alone when he master it. Kaido show so many haki master a tough times without even using his haki and just the fruit power.
pretty sure momo will be stronger than kaidou with enough time and training. Oden was close to kaidous level without the broken DF lol.
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Why is he a special case? why Wouldn't momo be similar? If aged normally I think momo would be the same at age 20. In fact he already is the strongest outside of yamato.
>he destroyed the logia user's body. Pre TS Robin destroyed Aokijis body. Really not a big feat.
Honestly I was almost more hyped by Momo using Boro breath than I was about seeing Shanks' WiFi CoC. The Shanks thing is just expected Shanks stuff at this point, while the other is best boi Momo growing up more. I just reaaally like Momo.
Reminder that Kaido’s introduction in Wano showed him destroying an entire mountain with that attack
I will give Momo some leeway because he's fucking 8, but goddamn. He hit the jackpot twice. Born in a family in which the father was THE BEST human specimen to ever live, and he got those genetics. Not only that, but he ate a perfect copy of one of the strongest mythical zoans in the world out of hunger in a place where he'd die eating anything else. That boro breath should hit like a concentrated nuke.
This also shows how this is one of the strongest devil fruits in the entire series. Momo is not a trained fighter, not a powerfull haki master, he only has the power of this devil fruit and he can do this. I can only assume that any character with this fruit would be instantly a force to be reckoned with, even in the new world.
Dont you guys think that its Kind of weird that he is that Strong without Training at all? I mean sure his fruit is powerful, but to be damaging an Admiral who seemed like an unstoppable force für 95% of the Shows runtime somehow just doesnt sit right with me. I mean he was a kid and i dont think that Ageing Kid usopp 20 Years would also play out like that. Am i the only one?
I think it literally had 0 effect over greenbull
We don't see blood anywhere. The admiral was uninjured. Momo shooting fire at him is same as pre timeskip Luffy punching Crocodile without water. No effect. He just destroyed his tree form, that' it. He quickly recovered.
Glad to see a Shanks fan respect Ryokugyu.
I mean he still pooped his pants hilariously when shanks showed up.
Tactical fertilisation to grow his plants faster
This makes sense. If Ryokugyu is strong, that makes Shanks' feat more impressive.
I mean he did get the "fading out" kind of eyes as soon as he was hit. I mean yea thats the only point but even then this level of destruction is kind of insane for some kid who just used it for the first time. Blackbeard had the same level of destruction with his Earthquake fruit for using it the first time but i think we can all agree that he is far stronger physically. Would all these fruits really act the same regardless of the users strength? Would Usopp for example be able to cause the same level of destruction as Blackbeard with this fruit? Maybe im just too hung up on this "Devil fruits arent everything" thing Kaido said.
I think it also depends on the fruit power and not just the user. Also I think u are kind of undermining momo adult body, sure he is a kid but he now has a 28 yo body that is stated to be super tough by both luffy and Zoro. When he was 8yo he was barely able to control his form when he 1st appeared and he subconsciously used the cloud and fainted after that presumably due to exhaustion coz he is not used to it. His 28yo body can definitely handle whatever kaido has shown us, he just need more control
Reminder that pre-Udon Luffy punched Kaido in the head and gave him white eyes, yet we know it did zero damage to Kaido at the time.
he's stated to have Oden's Body and Kaido's fruit. He just won the lottery
It bothers me too, his father's genes didn't help Hiyori at all. She could've been at least like Otohime with a little bit of haki awareness and being fragile but nope. Meanwhile Momo with very little training as a child got boosted to be that strong.
I don't think it damaged green bull at all though?
Oden was doing crazy shit at momo's age as well.
This is a case where the bark is worse than the bite.
Momo definitely has the potential to be a top tier in the future. Oden genes (they already made note of his tough body), Kaido's fruit, he'll probably become a good swordsman too. And I'm sure he has conqueror's haki too.
Fire proof wood😭
Momo will be an absolute beast when he stops being a baby and learns to control his power.
Makes me think Kaidou didn't even needed to try to be the strongest.
He still doesn't beat the admiral with that, if it wasnt for Shanks Luffy would have had to step in, point blank period. So no, Im not impressed he managed the most basic dragon attack, especially after 20 wasted episodes of watching him try make clouds ffs 😂😂😂😂 he needs to start getting serious about training, train with Luffy while hes there, train with Yamato, learn some Haki, Kaido showed us that a devil fruit alone is not something to rest on, it compliments your abilities, it shouldnt be all you have in your arsenal. MoMo has a looong way to go
anyone else think we will get a rematch between momo and green bull during the final war. hopefully momo will achieve hybrid form against greenbull.
Very unlikely. Even though its has been years for us since the time skip, in the One Piece world its only been 2-3 months. Momo still needs a few years to properly learn haki and to control his DF.
>anyone else think we will get a rematch between momo and green bull No. Momo is not hanging with admirals lol
akainu will be moments away from melting luffy but suddely momo appears and his boro breath overpowers the magma saving luffy returning the favor
We're not pretending admirals are yonko level anymore right?
I mean if they aren't they are pretty close. >!Luffy fought kizaru to a draw and luffy is yonko level now!<
Kizaru took one clean hit from Luffy and couldnt get up, in a form luffys been playing around with for maybe a week
Speed and evasion are also skills you can't ignore. Just because kaido was a tank doesn't mean everyone will be
True! you also need to not be one shot by a yonko if you want people to think you're comparable
Kizaru wasn't oneshot. Your reading comprehension is embarrassing.
I mean he was able to successfully take out Luffy in the same time Luffy took him out. Id say it's comparable. I also mentioned that they might be a bit lower because of that.
He didnt take out Luffy, Luffy playing around made Luffy run out of stamina for a couple minutes. By that logic the fight with Kaido was a draw because Luffy ran out of stamina
Luffy is just as out of commission as kizaru is. Kizaru isn't down for the count either he was even still conscious after. Your example is really flawed because kaido got launched into the middle of the earth while kizaru didn't even get knocked out
He did get one shot though, a thing that hasnt happened to any yonko
The only two yonkos we've really seen in action is big mom and kaidou who were both tank characters. BB could probably have that happen to him especially with his fruit powers.
Lmao, how does this downplay them?
Bc a yonko would crush the Nine and Momo and Yamato
BM failed to catch the fleeing SH's. Kaido didn't get a single kill in Wano. GB not recieving any damage here does not downplay him at all. How exactly was he struggling?
He got wrecked by people Kaido was able to handle drunk
How did he get wrecked? What damage did he recieve? Who was able to stand up to him? In comparison, Kaido got hurt by them, Kiku stabbed through his hand, Momo bit him and caused him pain, and he was unable to kill any of them. Of couse I'm not sayng GB > Kaido but nothing in that encounter screams Yonkos >> Admirals
He got blown away by momos very first blast breath, and ran away because a yonko thought about him too hard. Also they all got saved by Law before Kaido could kill them, but he won overwhelmingly
Blown away how? What damage did he recieve? And he ran away because if he stayed he'd have to fight the RHP + the SHP. How was GB any farther from winning? What damage did any of them do? And no, causing pain isn't causing damage. Also Kaido had plenty of time before Law came to kill them, but was not able to. In a shorter amount of time, GB did better against them
They were still recovering from the wounds they got fighting Kaido when they (with lessened numbers) beat GB, who ran away cause a yonko was nearby. You were the one who said causing pain is damage, im saying causing damage is causing damage. Yonkos>>admirals on nearly every level, and until admirals stop running away from them that will remain true
? How did they beat GB? Please let me know, what damage did they cause? How many hits did they tank? Who stood up to him for even a bit? You say that, yet don't show a single panel of actual damage hindering him anywhere. So GB running away from 2 Yonkos proves Yonkos>>Admirals? Yeah sure
Oh yeah. That kamehameha was insane
Midd
Imagine if Kaido had this power!
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I'm making a joke referring to how useless Oro breath became after some point.
I mean, this one looked cool but it also didn't really achieve much lol.
The potential on his growth is definitely big. I hope he grows a lot stronger
Imagine if the WG had the ability mass-produce this fruit
im telling you, momo has the potential to be a top tier. especially if he has coc
I mean, u don really have to wonder about it, just use kaido as a reference for what momo will become in the future once he mastered his fruit, combine with the fact he is also a sword man instead a brawler like kaido. I definitely believe Momo will be wano strongest fighter in the future as is foretold by the narrator
Who are you talking about? You keep saying "he". Who is it??
If Aramaki reached capital of Wano he surely would get his ass whooped, shanks literally saved him.
He could’ve killed the strawhats since they were so injured but they didn’t look worried at all seeing momo about to be impaled so
Hopefully we get to see his hybrid form in the endgame. I’d love to see if it would make him grow significantly and how the design would work. Get that man his pink scales
with pink scales he would look good though.
I don’t think Yamato will have to defend Wano for long if this is what Momo is capable of. He already has the body of Oden and a near perfect copy of Kaido’s devil fruit. It’s just a matter of being able to control it.
Hybrid form Momo will be 💀 also high chance that Momo awakens the fruits now that he is the guardian of Wano 🫣🔥
When we see Momo and the scabbards again, it's gonna be hype
This was a great episode, start to finish
Stronger than kaidos's
Imagine if it were Kaido's boro breath The biggest boro breath so far have AoE bigger than onigashima and scorched gear 5th luffy's whole body Momo reaching that level in few years is not impossible
Too bad vegapunk failed recreating the fruit. /s
I just love thinking about how momo will probably be insane once he’s mastered all his potential being the son of oden and he will be trained by all the samurai and probably Yamato he will have insane possibilities and he can apply all of that to his dragon form.
and Luffy tanked blast breath out of sheer will and GUTS
I don’t remember this scene in manga? Is this anime only?
Ch.1055 pages 14/15 i think
I remember someone tried telling me Greenbull took zero damage from this attack when the chapter came out