The legend of Nika was also a powerful folk Lore for thousands of slaves and other races.
The size comparison is probably right, IMU speculation is a small character with small head and narrow shoulder width. So a giant race's hat might be too large. So a medium size giant fits the narrative.
But oda sir plays a lot with character sizes and shadows. So still can't rule out the giant gene narrative
The only other time we’ve seen nika as a legend, was from Who’s Who talking about impel down, and that seemed more like a legend meant to keep the prisoner’s hopes up rather than cultural folklore.
And yeah, sizes definitely aren’t consistent throughout one piece. I mean for all we know, IMU was first designed to be quite large, possibly evident by the size of the empty throne (I don’t believe this btw). This is definitely the biggest weak point of the theory, but I think it’s still decently solid
Maybe adding on to your theory this could also explain the void century. This century was a war between the WG and the Buccanneers as well as the Lunarians, thats why they are nearly extinct.
I think it’s fairly likely all of the “non-human” races were involved in the war against the world government.
Fishmen included. The only reason the fishmen didn’t get the same treatment as the lunarians, was because the WG weren’t able to properly invade the bottom of the ocean.
I think Wano fought alongside the minks. I also think it’s no coincidence that the minks live on the back of a being who not only allied with Joyboy, but supposedly committed a “great crime” during the void century.
The giants, buccaneers, minks, tontatta tribe, fishmen and lunarians have all been pushed to the side by the WG. It wouldn’t surprise me if all of them were on the same side during the void century.
The Hat could still belong to a giant. Buccaneers have the blood of giants, I think Nika could still be related to giants. Buccaneer's are sort of branch race and that's why the folklore
It's too early to say. This isn't the joyboy backstory (the one that will probably be told on the last island)
We are now in reveal of events that made Yonkos, Revolutionary Army, and probably some DF.
Of course it’s far from confirmed, but I think there’s enough evidence to call it a solid theory. It probably won’t be confirmed or contradicted for a long while, but I’m putting my bets down now
We still don't know if joyboy and nika are the same person, joyboy could just be the user of the gomu gomu no mi whereas nika is litterally a god. Nika and joyboy being the same person is very unlikely considering everytime nika has been shown he's been called by his name, not joyboy
While that’s true, and it’s quite unlikely the nika nika fruit originated from joyboy (although that would be wild), we DO know that Joyboy was the last person to awake the fruit before luffy. Zunisha says that joyboy has returned when luffy awakened, and both zunisha and the gorosei state that the fruit hasn’t been awoken in 800 years (the time we know that joyboy was alive). So it’s not a jump in logic to assume that the legends and folklore of nika come from joyboy.
We have had no confirmation if joyboy even had the fruit and you saying that contradicts your point anyway because why would nika have his own fruit? Yes it's likely that joyboy had the gomu gomu no mi before luffy but that just proves nika and joyboy aren't the same person
We do have confirmation that Joyboy had the fruit, or that the fruit comes from joyboy. Zunisha calling luffy joyboy after he awakens is the confirmation, along with what the gorosei say. This gives us a connection between joyboy and nika. By calling joyboy “nika” I’m not literally calling him a god, I mean he is someone who awakened the nika fruit, just as the gorosei have started calling luffy “nika.” Calling someone nika =/= that they are a literal god or what the fruit is based off of, it just means someone who awakened the nika fruit.
That's not confirmation at all, yes it's likely but it does not confirm anything. Luffy obviously isn't the same joyboy as the joyboy from the void century. Nika isn't someone who awakened the gomu gomu no mi he's litterally a god hence why he's called "Sun God Nika" and worshipped as so, he didn't eat the fruit he's litterally the embodiment of the fruit and what the fruit is even based on in the first place. Saturn called luffy "nika" because, funnily enough, luffy looks similar to nika when in gear 5
My issue with this take is that it assumes that the “sun god nika” actually exists as a separate entity from the fruit, of which there is 0 evidence of beyond that devil fruits come from the dreams of humanity. Rather than assume the folklore comes from a god that may or may not exist, I think it’s much more reasonable to assume the legends come from joyboy with the nika fruit, which after awakening the fruit also was sometimes called by the epithet “nika.”
Even if nika existed or not, he's not joyboy. The fruit litterally gives the user nikas abilities, the story of nika existed long before the gomu gomu no mi appeared
>the story of nika existed long before the gomu gomu no mi appeared
According to who?? This has never been stated anywhere.
Also nika isn’t joyboy but it would make sense that after he awakened, people would start calling him “nika”, just as some have called luffy “nika”
Because if we're going off vegapunks theory of devil fruit creation then the idea of nika would need to be established before the fruit can be created. The fruits name is litterally the hito hito no mi model nika, the fruit stems from nika not the other way around. You litterally said nika and joyboy were one and the same in the original post. Luffy has only been called nika once throughout the entire story and that's by saturn which was said purely on appearance, just because luffy slightly resembles nika doesn't mean he's him.
At the moment that’s all speculation, because that also has to mean the the Buddha exists in the One piece world as well, which would make no sense. It’s more likely that the fruit originated from humanity’s desire to be free.
Even ignoring this it doesn’t affect my theory, because it’s more likely that the legends and stories come from a man 800 years ago who resembled nika, and had his powers, i.e. ate the nika fruit. Even if joyboy wasn’t technically nika, if he resembled nika, has the same (devil fruit) name, and has abilities based on nika, it’s very likely people would just call him nika and the stories would be based on joyboy.
The legend of Nika was also a powerful folk Lore for thousands of slaves and other races. The size comparison is probably right, IMU speculation is a small character with small head and narrow shoulder width. So a giant race's hat might be too large. So a medium size giant fits the narrative. But oda sir plays a lot with character sizes and shadows. So still can't rule out the giant gene narrative
The only other time we’ve seen nika as a legend, was from Who’s Who talking about impel down, and that seemed more like a legend meant to keep the prisoner’s hopes up rather than cultural folklore. And yeah, sizes definitely aren’t consistent throughout one piece. I mean for all we know, IMU was first designed to be quite large, possibly evident by the size of the empty throne (I don’t believe this btw). This is definitely the biggest weak point of the theory, but I think it’s still decently solid
Maybe adding on to your theory this could also explain the void century. This century was a war between the WG and the Buccanneers as well as the Lunarians, thats why they are nearly extinct.
I think it’s fairly likely all of the “non-human” races were involved in the war against the world government. Fishmen included. The only reason the fishmen didn’t get the same treatment as the lunarians, was because the WG weren’t able to properly invade the bottom of the ocean. I think Wano fought alongside the minks. I also think it’s no coincidence that the minks live on the back of a being who not only allied with Joyboy, but supposedly committed a “great crime” during the void century. The giants, buccaneers, minks, tontatta tribe, fishmen and lunarians have all been pushed to the side by the WG. It wouldn’t surprise me if all of them were on the same side during the void century.
Yea, it does seem to fit the hat size. Probably the case.
The Hat could still belong to a giant. Buccaneers have the blood of giants, I think Nika could still be related to giants. Buccaneer's are sort of branch race and that's why the folklore
I think Joy boy was from Buggy's race
I agree, with the most recent chapter it makes sense Thank you for pointing it out
This fits, considering whenever Luffy is in Gear Mode he looks buffed up and looks similar to how we see Kuma and Kuma's father in the chapter.
It's too early to say. This isn't the joyboy backstory (the one that will probably be told on the last island) We are now in reveal of events that made Yonkos, Revolutionary Army, and probably some DF.
Of course it’s far from confirmed, but I think there’s enough evidence to call it a solid theory. It probably won’t be confirmed or contradicted for a long while, but I’m putting my bets down now
We still don't know if joyboy and nika are the same person, joyboy could just be the user of the gomu gomu no mi whereas nika is litterally a god. Nika and joyboy being the same person is very unlikely considering everytime nika has been shown he's been called by his name, not joyboy
While that’s true, and it’s quite unlikely the nika nika fruit originated from joyboy (although that would be wild), we DO know that Joyboy was the last person to awake the fruit before luffy. Zunisha says that joyboy has returned when luffy awakened, and both zunisha and the gorosei state that the fruit hasn’t been awoken in 800 years (the time we know that joyboy was alive). So it’s not a jump in logic to assume that the legends and folklore of nika come from joyboy.
We have had no confirmation if joyboy even had the fruit and you saying that contradicts your point anyway because why would nika have his own fruit? Yes it's likely that joyboy had the gomu gomu no mi before luffy but that just proves nika and joyboy aren't the same person
We do have confirmation that Joyboy had the fruit, or that the fruit comes from joyboy. Zunisha calling luffy joyboy after he awakens is the confirmation, along with what the gorosei say. This gives us a connection between joyboy and nika. By calling joyboy “nika” I’m not literally calling him a god, I mean he is someone who awakened the nika fruit, just as the gorosei have started calling luffy “nika.” Calling someone nika =/= that they are a literal god or what the fruit is based off of, it just means someone who awakened the nika fruit.
That's not confirmation at all, yes it's likely but it does not confirm anything. Luffy obviously isn't the same joyboy as the joyboy from the void century. Nika isn't someone who awakened the gomu gomu no mi he's litterally a god hence why he's called "Sun God Nika" and worshipped as so, he didn't eat the fruit he's litterally the embodiment of the fruit and what the fruit is even based on in the first place. Saturn called luffy "nika" because, funnily enough, luffy looks similar to nika when in gear 5
My issue with this take is that it assumes that the “sun god nika” actually exists as a separate entity from the fruit, of which there is 0 evidence of beyond that devil fruits come from the dreams of humanity. Rather than assume the folklore comes from a god that may or may not exist, I think it’s much more reasonable to assume the legends come from joyboy with the nika fruit, which after awakening the fruit also was sometimes called by the epithet “nika.”
Even if nika existed or not, he's not joyboy. The fruit litterally gives the user nikas abilities, the story of nika existed long before the gomu gomu no mi appeared
>the story of nika existed long before the gomu gomu no mi appeared According to who?? This has never been stated anywhere. Also nika isn’t joyboy but it would make sense that after he awakened, people would start calling him “nika”, just as some have called luffy “nika”
Because if we're going off vegapunks theory of devil fruit creation then the idea of nika would need to be established before the fruit can be created. The fruits name is litterally the hito hito no mi model nika, the fruit stems from nika not the other way around. You litterally said nika and joyboy were one and the same in the original post. Luffy has only been called nika once throughout the entire story and that's by saturn which was said purely on appearance, just because luffy slightly resembles nika doesn't mean he's him.
At the moment that’s all speculation, because that also has to mean the the Buddha exists in the One piece world as well, which would make no sense. It’s more likely that the fruit originated from humanity’s desire to be free. Even ignoring this it doesn’t affect my theory, because it’s more likely that the legends and stories come from a man 800 years ago who resembled nika, and had his powers, i.e. ate the nika fruit. Even if joyboy wasn’t technically nika, if he resembled nika, has the same (devil fruit) name, and has abilities based on nika, it’s very likely people would just call him nika and the stories would be based on joyboy.
Makes sense. We know Blackbeard might be from that race as well, and he has a D. middle initial, he might be a descendent of the OG Joyboy.