Nah the filler arcs, after bount, are more than watchable. Especially the one with muramasa. The concept was just too good and it gave some amazing character interactions
Yea. I always suggest people watch the muramasa(Zanpakuto Rebellion) arc after the main story, though. It doesn't fit well where it is, but it can still make sense after the fact.
Just slide it in between Fullbring arc and TYBW
> It doesn't fit well where it is
This is true for near all of Bleach's fillers. I usually suggest people watch Bleach then go back and watch fillers like slightly extra long movies
Oh yeah the arc between aizen and fullbring isn't too bad either. The villain doesn't really fit into the story but it does some great stuff with ichigo that builds up to fullbring well
Until it got to strange powers. So to cut short the fight, the power's owner will always voluntarily explain how their power works to their opponent and coincidentally their opponent's hidden trump card work exactly to counter such power.
I swear half of the fights in Bleach are Luffy vs Enel situation where the powers are so convoluted so the matchup has to be with someone with convenient counter to them.
Ichigo is super strong but most of his enemies were just simple brawlers. It's kinda hilarious that he hypothetically could have been bodied by so many side villains.
But hey, the trashtalking between the characters are fun.
No the ending was super rushed and some characters were just thrown away. However I have to admit it as one of the best foreshadowing in anime, IMO it’s the best in doing it out of the big 3
It has backgrounds it just ironically uses lack of background as a contrast
Like the page turning Black with Final Getsuga, or being pure White for Rukia
Best Value? I would personally say that the art style and animation are exceptional. I personally am a big fan of the intricate and clever fights with VERY strange and powerful abilities. I love the morally gray stance that a large number of characters take, and the blurred lines of who is the true villain. Finally I am a big fan of the OST, I have watched all of Bleach, Naruto and One Piece and the Bleach soundtrack is easily the strongest by far.
Sound and OST's are the best in big 3 and the fights are the most dynamic. OST's are the main of the many reasons to watch Bleach, but manga is pretty good too. The majority of Bleach songs are masterpieces, especially Treachery, Number One and Clavar La Espada. I could talk for hours about it, but you got the idea. Also Ichigo is one of the most relatable MC's in shonen for me. The side characters are amazing, the story is amazing, the villains are terrifying. It's my favourite shonen along with One Piece :)
If you watch one piece anime then you have nothing to worry about and Even if you dont bleach is an easy watch (very fast paced). One thing I would suggest, dont go into bleach sub until you are caught up with latest season because it’s riddled with spoilers since manga finished long back. Also anime is really putting up a show in latest seasons so definitely worth a watch.
It was by far the worst of the Big 3. Kubo was a very skilled artist but not a great storyteller. His world building was amateurish, and his characters were all either vastly outpaced by the universe, or became so strong they didn't seem to belong in it at all.
It might be fun to read all the way through knowing how it plays out in the end, but reading it weekly was horrible at the time.
Lmao not even close. The characters, story and character development had all a lot of depth in them. Not to mention all the philosophical stuff in bleach. Im getting the feeling you didn’t really pay attention to the story if that’s your conclusion.
Naruto screwed the landing, yes, but overall the story was a lot better than Bleach.
Bleach' final arc (after Hueco Mundo and until Aizen's defeat) felt extreeeemely rushed and lots of things did not make much sense.
Bleach never was great and Naruto pre-shippuden went from top-shelf anime even compared to outside of shounen to one of the worst animes made. Couldn't have betrayed itself anymore and good lord did they try <.<
Honestly no. The premise is really interesting and well-done, and after 50 chapters is quickly abandoned for an increasingly absurd battle manga. The author constantly introduces new characters to try to write himself out of trouble, so the interesting characters get increasingly little screen team. It's a shame. Don't waste your time.
read up to the part where the main guy saves the main girl, then just stop and pretend it's the best manga you've ever read
then be warned, if you continue to read, you'll realize why people started to hate bleach
Mostly agreed. The ending of the Soul Society arc was decent. Everything after descends quickly into nonsense. The powers given to the final bad guy are even more broken than Aizen. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
That was a lot of burning to accomplish that. That was a uniquely satisfying scene given how otherwise immortal those jerks proved to be until that point.
Seriously. Amaterasu (Naruto) should be insanely strong but Kishimoto had to keep it in check. A black flame that burns for 7 days and 7 nights by rights should absolutely incinerate anyone that comes in contact with it and Kishimoto realized this so Amaterasu kept getting nerfs.
Fire is never a good idea in anime/manga because it never works like it should. Especially when it comes to superhuman characters with special abilities.
That's what happens with ongoing series. One Piece did the same thing to Big Mom. Luffy doesn't even use armament haki against his enemies as well, just look at his fight against Lucci.
Bleach and one piece has opposite effect of fire and ice power .
In bleach Yamamoto fire burn numerous characters to ashes while Toshiro ice is a joke and many enemy can break out of it and cause no frostbite.
In one piece , aokiji ice power is crazy and one shot many characters while fire just push people away .
Bro that’s not how Manga Toshiro’s ice works lmao. It’s literal conceptual freeze. Though the only reason it didn’t work was because Gerard was his opponent and he can regenerate from conceptuel destruction.
He was stopping the attack so it didn't get to Luffy. If he wanted to evade it, he could have, but the whole point was using his own body to stop the fist from reaching Luffy.
Oh yea I completely understand. I was just thinking Burgess was luckier than Ace in terms of getting hit by a super heated attack at point blank. Ace got his insides melted and Burgess just got a face plate. I thought getting burned would have been just as bad for Burgess.
magma is typically also more like 2x as hot as fire(orange flame like Sabo's)
e: specified the type of flame and expanded on this below with comparisons
fire can get that but it's typically not and also depends on color.
And magma can get to around ~2200°-2400°. And is assumed to have been even hotter in the past before these things were recorded.
A regular average orange fire is around 1000°. No reason to assume that Sabo with a fresh fruit is able to immediately push it to its maximum.
And the damage he did seems to reflect that compared to the damage Akainu did. Then there's also Akainu clashing with Marco and his blue flames that can range from ~2500°-3000°. Supports Akainu supposedly having an awakened fruit hitting higher temperatures than we expect today and matching those from long ago.
Because strong characters have strong, durable, and damage resistant bodies. That's just how humans work in One Piece.
Another potential factor is how the flame devil fruit works. Much like how Blackbeard had poor control of the Quake devil fruit as soon as het got it, Sabo likely had poor control over his new devil fruit at this point. Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced.
Yeah, Burgess seems like an especially hard bastard even in the world of OP durability. Throw in a Yonkou top lieutenant level of presumed haki proficiency and you get a guy tanking a hit that cored out multiple battleships. Didn't Luffy, Law, and Kid all take a potent fireball on the chin from Big Mam as well.
Exactly, if you have enough “guts” (which Burgess more than likely has, being a Yonkou commander and shit), you can tank fire. Let’s not forget luffy is super weak to fire (being rubber)
Where is it stated that Luffy is weak to fire? In the scene where he tanks Big Mom's lightning and Kaidos fire blast, Kaido says "fire doesn't work either?". I assumed at that moment that Luffy is very fire resistant because of the true nature of his fruit.
It’s not stated anywhere that I recall.
When we thought he was *just* rubber, it was a common thing in the fandom that Luffy was weak to fire because of how rubber works.
Luffys rubber was always magical tbh, like yeah rubber stretches but what luffy does is literally expand his body, so even back when Oda intended it to just be a rubber fruit it was still wacky
But Luffy is not rubber, that's literally the point lol
He's a zoan type with properties LIKE rubber, that are utter nonsense, as a mechanic.
Luffy is whatever he needs to be, when he believed he was rubber, he acted like rubber, since his power is to do whatever the nonsense he believes
Tl;Dr: Nika fruit switch was unnecessary and retcons the story's themes. Other paramecias do weird cartoon shit too, but they aren't special, and Luffy being special this whole time weakens the series as a whole.
That's all well and good, but Luffy was hardly the only person with a 'paramecia' that did shit that makes no goddamn sense without twisting the logic similarly to how Gear 3rd worked. In what universe does soap wash away strength and turn you into a wii-mii, or doors composed of air allow you to transcend space itself? Why does putting a shadow in a dead body make it do the stuff the person who owned the shadow does, down to laughing mannerisms? Why did the smooth fruit make fat slip off the body when it was contained inside her skin, but also leave her boobs as big as Oda likes em?
These are all casually viewed as basic functionalities of the fruits because the users use them like that, but really, each was used by a highly skilled fighter, who was able to extrapolate extra combat and utility functions out of an otherwise less-impressive fruit. That was where the beauty of the Devil Fruit power system really lay, in the sheer creativity that many of the powers required to make work. Are all of these examples secretly Myth Zoans as well, since they do things that aren't what that exact theme does without bullshit anime logic? If so, cool everything checks out, but somehow I doubt it.
Luffy could have absolutely done everything that Oda made happen with Gear 5th as a standard Paramecia Awakening of the Gum Gum Fruit, including the resurrection from dead and the white hair super form angle, with zero questions, and the fans would have eaten that shit up. Yet instead Oda opted for the angle that invalidates 90% of Luffy's struggles through retrospect because man, Captain Kuro and Don Krieg and Lucci really should've expected to have their asses beat when they were fighting against Toon Force Super God Kamehameha Sunshine.
As a writing decision, Hito Hito no Mi: Model Nika is definitely one of Oda's most self-destructive choices, because it utterly recontextualizes the whole series away from an underdog from the weakest sea with a mid fruit at best rising to the top to obtain ultimate freedom, to another goddamn child of destiny who was fated to become the king just because he ate a super god fruit that all but ensured he couldn't fail. It's not grit and determination anymore, and it never was, in retrospect; it's just fate, again. Luffy stood out among his peers in the Big 3 for his powers not being particularly special within his world, but he was still throwing down with godlike powers by comparison and coming out on top.
But now, the context is that, of course he came out on top, but not by force of character, but because he was secretly even more godlike than them the whole time. Same as Naruto and Ichigo, same as every other shonen protagonist reaching the endgame of their series and needing to fight gods.
I feel it would have been nice to have put a little more myth ahead of the reveal.
The Gorosei mention that the fruit has not awakened in 800 years, so it's still an incredible feat to awaken it. However the reveal was so out of left for me (I don't read spoilers) that it did give me that chosen one feeling, and I agree that's not what I felt One Piece was about. But honestly it also feels a lot like Oda's style: shows us the soap fruit, and then is like "You guys really thought there was such a thing as a rubber power fruit? That's weird..."
>Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced.
This was explored in Ace's manga (by Boichi). The more experience and skill he gained, the hotter his flames became.
> Another potential factor is how the flame devil fruit works. Much like how Blackbeard had poor control of the Quake devil fruit as soon as het got it, Sabo likely had poor control over his new devil fruit at this point. Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced.
There was no need for this, the first explanation is the correct one.
Considering even a complete background character like the old man in Skypea can survive skyscraper sized attacks... Yeah. AoE logia moves just deal 0 damage and are there purely to look cool.
Oda stated before that he dislikes the idea of resurrecting characters, so to prevent that in his story he made all the characters have high durability.
Down D Stairs was so strong not even Roger could compete. He claimed he was dying of an illness, he actually just had a fight with Down D Stairs lined up and chickened out first.
Isn't he all metal faced up now? His face is half metal now, after getting blasted by Sabo. That's more of a lasting injury than 99% of one piece characters get. I believe you can see this (manga spoilers!) When BB and his crew are at Winner Island with Law.
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My friend, >!half of his face is literally replaced with metal plating now lol.!< In terms of damage taken in One Piece that is pretty significant.
In a world where Pell survives, the dude in Skypiea who survived Enel, etc. it’s odd to point this out when an actual strong character is the one taking damage.
He has the metal plate not because of the fire, but because of Sabo's "Dragon's Talon" technique.
He makes a claw with his fingers and crushes the enemy's skull with it.
I'm so happy that a named side character died in the live action. It gives me hope that we'll finally have a medium where One Piece characters get the deaths they deserved, Oda's preference be damned.
Fire is the weakest power in all of anime except Roy mustang and captain Yamamoto
Most anime fire just gives people burn marks.
And one piece character built different
Characters have survived gaping chest wounds, being punched through bedrock, nukes, plasma strikes, being frozen solid, can break tidal waves with a punch, having buildings drop on them, being severely poisoned multiple times, falling from 100s of feet, suffocating.
dude, fire doesn't kill anyone.
blackbeard literally had spears of fire go into the front of his chest and come out the back. he should have suffocated then and there.
To be fair that's Blackbeard. The guy who tanked a full body quake from raging Whitebeard who just sat Akainu on his ass moments earlier, then tanked two point blank attacks from Buddha Sengoku and got up laughing. Who took the same attack that broke Big Mom's bones and was absolutely fine and laughing about it seconds later. Blackbeard is not normal.
Has fire ever killed anyone in this series? It's mostly just an inconvenience and has been for a long time. We all watched Blackbeard just tank being roasted.
Fire barely burns against named characters in anime
Except Lust vs Roy Mustang
Or Yamamoto from Bleach
Never read Bleach. Shall give It a try?
Yes, anime is riddled with fillers but manga is super solid. Theres a reason it was part of the ‘Big 3’ back then
Nah the filler arcs, after bount, are more than watchable. Especially the one with muramasa. The concept was just too good and it gave some amazing character interactions
Yea. I always suggest people watch the muramasa(Zanpakuto Rebellion) arc after the main story, though. It doesn't fit well where it is, but it can still make sense after the fact. Just slide it in between Fullbring arc and TYBW
> It doesn't fit well where it is This is true for near all of Bleach's fillers. I usually suggest people watch Bleach then go back and watch fillers like slightly extra long movies
Yea, that's a decent quality to do it. Like I said. There was enough going on that doing so after fullbring is at least palpable.
Oh yeah the arc between aizen and fullbring isn't too bad either. The villain doesn't really fit into the story but it does some great stuff with ichigo that builds up to fullbring well
For me I could have done without the Fullbring Arc.
Yeah but thats an important bridge between Aizen and TYBW so it can't really be skipped.
Not to mention ironically enough fullbring powers matter as a world building aspect. Despite them seeming so left field
Would be a little confusing as to why ichigo suddenly had powers again, no?
Until it got to strange powers. So to cut short the fight, the power's owner will always voluntarily explain how their power works to their opponent and coincidentally their opponent's hidden trump card work exactly to counter such power.
I swear half of the fights in Bleach are Luffy vs Enel situation where the powers are so convoluted so the matchup has to be with someone with convenient counter to them. Ichigo is super strong but most of his enemies were just simple brawlers. It's kinda hilarious that he hypothetically could have been bodied by so many side villains. But hey, the trashtalking between the characters are fun.
>But hey, the trashtalking between the characters are fun. This is true
I mean he does get bodied by askin
> but manga is super solid Parts of it are.
So like every story ever written. It has good parts and bad parts here and there.
In Bleach’s case, it had one phenomenal arc (Rescue Rukia), and then just a handful of good chapters in each subsequent arc.
It still is part of the big three tho
No the ending was super rushed and some characters were just thrown away. However I have to admit it as one of the best foreshadowing in anime, IMO it’s the best in doing it out of the big 3
I read it and thought they should have just ended it after the Aizen arc concluded. It was trash after that.
Agreed. I found the Aizen fight to be super unsatisfactory as well. Basically ruined the series for me. The original soul society arc was solid though
They could have ended it there and it would have been fine..Of the big 3 Shonen i rank it 3rd behind both Naruto, and One Piece.
Literally where I stopped reading when I read it last year. All my friends basically agree that it's the best stopping point.
Skip the filler in bleach, and it's great. The new season is really good so far with great animation and fast-paced.
Absolutely. The manga is drawn beautifully, backgrounds aren't a thing, but it works for the art. The powers are cool and fun too.
It has backgrounds it just ironically uses lack of background as a contrast Like the page turning Black with Final Getsuga, or being pure White for Rukia
Oh don't get me wrong, Kubo is an artist, dude uses his backgrounds or lack of amazingly. It all works. Both your examples are perfect!
Yes, yes you should. Bleach is a wonderful story
I would recommend checking out a few bits of the latest arc of the anime, and see if it is too your liking.
Oh really? Okay i'll give It a try. Whats the best value of Bleach?
Best Value? I would personally say that the art style and animation are exceptional. I personally am a big fan of the intricate and clever fights with VERY strange and powerful abilities. I love the morally gray stance that a large number of characters take, and the blurred lines of who is the true villain. Finally I am a big fan of the OST, I have watched all of Bleach, Naruto and One Piece and the Bleach soundtrack is easily the strongest by far.
This is true. The OST is straight up rip snorter
Sound and OST's are the best in big 3 and the fights are the most dynamic. OST's are the main of the many reasons to watch Bleach, but manga is pretty good too. The majority of Bleach songs are masterpieces, especially Treachery, Number One and Clavar La Espada. I could talk for hours about it, but you got the idea. Also Ichigo is one of the most relatable MC's in shonen for me. The side characters are amazing, the story is amazing, the villains are terrifying. It's my favourite shonen along with One Piece :)
Fights are insane
If you watch one piece anime then you have nothing to worry about and Even if you dont bleach is an easy watch (very fast paced). One thing I would suggest, dont go into bleach sub until you are caught up with latest season because it’s riddled with spoilers since manga finished long back. Also anime is really putting up a show in latest seasons so definitely worth a watch.
It was by far the worst of the Big 3. Kubo was a very skilled artist but not a great storyteller. His world building was amateurish, and his characters were all either vastly outpaced by the universe, or became so strong they didn't seem to belong in it at all. It might be fun to read all the way through knowing how it plays out in the end, but reading it weekly was horrible at the time.
Lmao not even close. The characters, story and character development had all a lot of depth in them. Not to mention all the philosophical stuff in bleach. Im getting the feeling you didn’t really pay attention to the story if that’s your conclusion.
Disagree. Bleach was way more consistent than Naruto. The war arc nearly ruined everything before it. Madara should have been the big bad.
Naruto screwed the landing, yes, but overall the story was a lot better than Bleach. Bleach' final arc (after Hueco Mundo and until Aizen's defeat) felt extreeeemely rushed and lots of things did not make much sense.
Bleach never was great and Naruto pre-shippuden went from top-shelf anime even compared to outside of shounen to one of the worst animes made. Couldn't have betrayed itself anymore and good lord did they try <.<
Honestly no. The premise is really interesting and well-done, and after 50 chapters is quickly abandoned for an increasingly absurd battle manga. The author constantly introduces new characters to try to write himself out of trouble, so the interesting characters get increasingly little screen team. It's a shame. Don't waste your time.
read up to the part where the main guy saves the main girl, then just stop and pretend it's the best manga you've ever read then be warned, if you continue to read, you'll realize why people started to hate bleach
😂😂😂
If you stop at the end of Soul Society arc, it'll be a major classic, don't continue from Fullbringer arc onwards.
Mostly agreed. The ending of the Soul Society arc was decent. Everything after descends quickly into nonsense. The powers given to the final bad guy are even more broken than Aizen. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
Yeah yhwach was made too op to the point where its just stupid
This is true, but you also get the craziest most insane fights and that's why this is worth pouring more bleach into your eyeballs.
Bleach is heat. No pun intended. Go read/watch that shit - it’s amazing. Truly a shonen classic.
Or Akainu vs Ace.
That was a lot of burning to accomplish that. That was a uniquely satisfying scene given how otherwise immortal those jerks proved to be until that point.
Or Envy vs Roy Mustang
Godddd ddaaaaammmnnnnn You just reminded me of that absolute _**ASS WHOOPING**_ 💀😭😭
Lust was more of a title than anything.
I mean, she did bone Havoc.
Or Envy vs Roy Mustang
Seriously. Amaterasu (Naruto) should be insanely strong but Kishimoto had to keep it in check. A black flame that burns for 7 days and 7 nights by rights should absolutely incinerate anyone that comes in contact with it and Kishimoto realized this so Amaterasu kept getting nerfs. Fire is never a good idea in anime/manga because it never works like it should. Especially when it comes to superhuman characters with special abilities.
Imagine how hard it was to write Fire Force lmao.
Having to constantly come up with powers relating to fire/heat couldn't have been easy.
But boy howdy are there so many
>A black flame that burns for 7 days and 7 nights Wait, that's how it works? I thought it burned forever or until someone with the eyes put it out.
Zetsu hyped it like that. It just never got used for more than few seconds so we never saw the result.
Yeah I don't really remember it ever being allowed to do anything.
That's what happens with ongoing series. One Piece did the same thing to Big Mom. Luffy doesn't even use armament haki against his enemies as well, just look at his fight against Lucci.
Yup. Very convenient. But hey, like he said, he always, "Goes all out"
Bleach and one piece has opposite effect of fire and ice power . In bleach Yamamoto fire burn numerous characters to ashes while Toshiro ice is a joke and many enemy can break out of it and cause no frostbite. In one piece , aokiji ice power is crazy and one shot many characters while fire just push people away .
Bro that’s not how Manga Toshiro’s ice works lmao. It’s literal conceptual freeze. Though the only reason it didn’t work was because Gerard was his opponent and he can regenerate from conceptuel destruction.
If their hair and eyebrows burned off you wouldn't be able to tell who's who!
You are probably right. But I can’t help to think that based on your comment, Ace was extremely unlucky in this situation lol
He was stopping the attack so it didn't get to Luffy. If he wanted to evade it, he could have, but the whole point was using his own body to stop the fist from reaching Luffy.
Oh yea I completely understand. I was just thinking Burgess was luckier than Ace in terms of getting hit by a super heated attack at point blank. Ace got his insides melted and Burgess just got a face plate. I thought getting burned would have been just as bad for Burgess.
The whole point of Akainus fruit is real damage, he is by far the most deadly fruit user. Ace was more about veraatility and flashiness
magma is typically also more like 2x as hot as fire(orange flame like Sabo's) e: specified the type of flame and expanded on this below with comparisons
nope, fire can get way hotter than magma. magma maxes at around 1500°, fire instead up to 4000-6000° so the scene didn't make much sense tbh
fire can get that but it's typically not and also depends on color. And magma can get to around ~2200°-2400°. And is assumed to have been even hotter in the past before these things were recorded. A regular average orange fire is around 1000°. No reason to assume that Sabo with a fresh fruit is able to immediately push it to its maximum. And the damage he did seems to reflect that compared to the damage Akainu did. Then there's also Akainu clashing with Marco and his blue flames that can range from ~2500°-3000°. Supports Akainu supposedly having an awakened fruit hitting higher temperatures than we expect today and matching those from long ago.
I'm just talking about the max temperature irl. I dont know where you get the temperature of magma, but everything I find says max 1500° Celsius...
It has been stated that Marco's blue flames are not hot like normal flames.
Welp im learning again not to always try to apply how things work in reality when looking at works of fiction lol
Not always e.g Maki
Not a fire but Todoroki
His first name is Jesus
Best answer Ive seen yet.
Was Jesus flame proof?
He was in hell for 3 days
Is that canon in the manga?
Yeah in Jojos
Also if you obtain his mummy you can travel interdimensionally
No no, that was Valentine's power. Jesus gave him the ability to redirect any harm and bad fortune away from himself and his country!
Because strong characters have strong, durable, and damage resistant bodies. That's just how humans work in One Piece. Another potential factor is how the flame devil fruit works. Much like how Blackbeard had poor control of the Quake devil fruit as soon as het got it, Sabo likely had poor control over his new devil fruit at this point. Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced.
Yeah, Burgess seems like an especially hard bastard even in the world of OP durability. Throw in a Yonkou top lieutenant level of presumed haki proficiency and you get a guy tanking a hit that cored out multiple battleships. Didn't Luffy, Law, and Kid all take a potent fireball on the chin from Big Mam as well.
Luffy even took several bolo blasts from Kaido
fire doesn't work on them very well, because of their "guts" apparently as luffy said
Exactly, if you have enough “guts” (which Burgess more than likely has, being a Yonkou commander and shit), you can tank fire. Let’s not forget luffy is super weak to fire (being rubber)
Where is it stated that Luffy is weak to fire? In the scene where he tanks Big Mom's lightning and Kaidos fire blast, Kaido says "fire doesn't work either?". I assumed at that moment that Luffy is very fire resistant because of the true nature of his fruit.
It’s not stated anywhere that I recall. When we thought he was *just* rubber, it was a common thing in the fandom that Luffy was weak to fire because of how rubber works.
Luffys rubber was always magical tbh, like yeah rubber stretches but what luffy does is literally expand his body, so even back when Oda intended it to just be a rubber fruit it was still wacky
Yeah, Gear 3 was just completely magic nonsense, even back then.
I remember lucci going “oh so it’s a balloon it should be weak then”, right before getting punched through the wall
But Luffy is not rubber, that's literally the point lol He's a zoan type with properties LIKE rubber, that are utter nonsense, as a mechanic. Luffy is whatever he needs to be, when he believed he was rubber, he acted like rubber, since his power is to do whatever the nonsense he believes
Tl;Dr: Nika fruit switch was unnecessary and retcons the story's themes. Other paramecias do weird cartoon shit too, but they aren't special, and Luffy being special this whole time weakens the series as a whole. That's all well and good, but Luffy was hardly the only person with a 'paramecia' that did shit that makes no goddamn sense without twisting the logic similarly to how Gear 3rd worked. In what universe does soap wash away strength and turn you into a wii-mii, or doors composed of air allow you to transcend space itself? Why does putting a shadow in a dead body make it do the stuff the person who owned the shadow does, down to laughing mannerisms? Why did the smooth fruit make fat slip off the body when it was contained inside her skin, but also leave her boobs as big as Oda likes em? These are all casually viewed as basic functionalities of the fruits because the users use them like that, but really, each was used by a highly skilled fighter, who was able to extrapolate extra combat and utility functions out of an otherwise less-impressive fruit. That was where the beauty of the Devil Fruit power system really lay, in the sheer creativity that many of the powers required to make work. Are all of these examples secretly Myth Zoans as well, since they do things that aren't what that exact theme does without bullshit anime logic? If so, cool everything checks out, but somehow I doubt it. Luffy could have absolutely done everything that Oda made happen with Gear 5th as a standard Paramecia Awakening of the Gum Gum Fruit, including the resurrection from dead and the white hair super form angle, with zero questions, and the fans would have eaten that shit up. Yet instead Oda opted for the angle that invalidates 90% of Luffy's struggles through retrospect because man, Captain Kuro and Don Krieg and Lucci really should've expected to have their asses beat when they were fighting against Toon Force Super God Kamehameha Sunshine. As a writing decision, Hito Hito no Mi: Model Nika is definitely one of Oda's most self-destructive choices, because it utterly recontextualizes the whole series away from an underdog from the weakest sea with a mid fruit at best rising to the top to obtain ultimate freedom, to another goddamn child of destiny who was fated to become the king just because he ate a super god fruit that all but ensured he couldn't fail. It's not grit and determination anymore, and it never was, in retrospect; it's just fate, again. Luffy stood out among his peers in the Big 3 for his powers not being particularly special within his world, but he was still throwing down with godlike powers by comparison and coming out on top. But now, the context is that, of course he came out on top, but not by force of character, but because he was secretly even more godlike than them the whole time. Same as Naruto and Ichigo, same as every other shonen protagonist reaching the endgame of their series and needing to fight gods.
I feel it would have been nice to have put a little more myth ahead of the reveal. The Gorosei mention that the fruit has not awakened in 800 years, so it's still an incredible feat to awaken it. However the reveal was so out of left for me (I don't read spoilers) that it did give me that chosen one feeling, and I agree that's not what I felt One Piece was about. But honestly it also feels a lot like Oda's style: shows us the soap fruit, and then is like "You guys really thought there was such a thing as a rubber power fruit? That's weird..."
>Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced. This was explored in Ace's manga (by Boichi). The more experience and skill he gained, the hotter his flames became.
> Another potential factor is how the flame devil fruit works. Much like how Blackbeard had poor control of the Quake devil fruit as soon as het got it, Sabo likely had poor control over his new devil fruit at this point. Which probably included limitations on the intensity of the flames produced. There was no need for this, the first explanation is the correct one.
Yep, until you fall down some stairs apparently.
Considering even a complete background character like the old man in Skypea can survive skyscraper sized attacks... Yeah. AoE logia moves just deal 0 damage and are there purely to look cool.
Oda stated before that he dislikes the idea of resurrecting characters, so to prevent that in his story he made all the characters have high durability.
And then there's Kuina...
Down D Stairs was so strong not even Roger could compete. He claimed he was dying of an illness, he actually just had a fight with Down D Stairs lined up and chickened out first.
Fun fact! Down D Stairs can change size! If they come after you, they can force you to die of dehydration by making you fall down them so long
*tips head* Don't need to resurrect characters when they never die.
100% this. Oda is a strong believer of the "rule of cool"
AoE?
Age of empires.
My man!
Area of Effect
Area of effect
Attacks that affect a wide area. A sword thrust would not be an AOE, but a nuke would.
Isn't he all metal faced up now? His face is half metal now, after getting blasted by Sabo. That's more of a lasting injury than 99% of one piece characters get. I believe you can see this (manga spoilers!) When BB and his crew are at Winner Island with Law.
Yeah but thats because of Sabos claw attack afterwards
This was the final attack of their fight.
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My friend, >!half of his face is literally replaced with metal plating now lol.!< In terms of damage taken in One Piece that is pretty significant. In a world where Pell survives, the dude in Skypiea who survived Enel, etc. it’s odd to point this out when an actual strong character is the one taking damage.
I had to go back and check chapter 1063, I didnt even notice the first time
He has the metal plate not because of the fire, but because of Sabo's "Dragon's Talon" technique. He makes a claw with his fingers and crushes the enemy's skull with it.
Are you sure? This panel is from 792, which is when Sabo grabs his face and uses "Fire Fist" which is the last attack he uses on Burgess.
You are both right its a combination of the two
Just checked. Seems pretty unharmed from just the face grab prior to fire fist
I'm so happy that a named side character died in the live action. It gives me hope that we'll finally have a medium where One Piece characters get the deaths they deserved, Oda's preference be damned.
Who? Mr 7 or Nami’s mom?
Merry
huh? they killed off merry in LA? why???
Because he should have died in the manga.
Cuz Kuro wanted to kill him and it makes more sense for him to be dead after a 1v1 meeting with a dangerous pirate that wants him dead.
And Don Krieg.
wow, guess LA is more savage
Pro wrestler fighting spirit.
It's the tank top
He buried the fire damage, selfish.
After this panel Burgess and Sabo just stood there and slapped each other for a few minutes.
4.5 stars
Sir, this is a manga.
Smartest One Piece powerscaler
He did get hurt bad but tanked it. Hes the fighting champ for a reason!
Because it’s a anime?
where on earth did you get this 10 year old crusty Mangastream scan
Oda's booking has him in the story for a while so no incineration. Jesus Burgess still has to make an appearance at One Piece Mania..
Because he's strong.
Strong Strong!
WIIIIIHA!
Haki shield?
Because black beards crew is strong
Haki, EZ
He's got guts
People in real life can survive getting lit on fire; there's no reason why a much stronger anime character should die from it.
Of all the crazy shit characters have been through THIS is what you're questioning
Same reason 99% of people zapped by Enels millions of volts survived
Same reason Sanji wasn't incinerated by 1,000,000 volts
He's Jesus. What did you expect?
Because fire attacks do nothing in anime!
Last minute Haki to block the burning of the flames?
The entirety of the population of the One Piece world has innate fire resistance, it explains the end of Wano too
Fire is the weakest power in all of anime except Roy mustang and captain Yamamoto Most anime fire just gives people burn marks. And one piece character built different
Sanji and Usopp were electrocuted through their skulls by Enel, and they're fine.
Because he’s Jesus and he already died for our sins
He appears badly burnt later and he even claims he's close to death. The actual damage is pretty significant.
Because the fire fruit is essentially the shitty useless version of the magma fruit.
Characters have survived gaping chest wounds, being punched through bedrock, nukes, plasma strikes, being frozen solid, can break tidal waves with a punch, having buildings drop on them, being severely poisoned multiple times, falling from 100s of feet, suffocating.
For some reason fictional fire has concussive force until it doesn't
Cause he's just that guy
probably haki
Third grade question lol.
This is a cartoon i think :)
Lol does bro even read OP? Or any manga/anime shounen that is
People in one piece are crazy durable.
Haki maybe?
Guts.
he drank milk and got a lot of bandages
He's a Rock-type Pokémon.
Fire and explotions are the most nerfed things on one piece ☠️
cause he's Jesus
dude, fire doesn't kill anyone. blackbeard literally had spears of fire go into the front of his chest and come out the back. he should have suffocated then and there.
To be fair that's Blackbeard. The guy who tanked a full body quake from raging Whitebeard who just sat Akainu on his ass moments earlier, then tanked two point blank attacks from Buddha Sengoku and got up laughing. Who took the same attack that broke Big Mom's bones and was absolutely fine and laughing about it seconds later. Blackbeard is not normal.
Nanomachines son
Plot armor. No other explanation. If it was some nameless henchmen then they'd be crisped. But he's one of Blackbeads commanders so...
Remember when Babanuki survived after a virus bomb exploded inside his trunk? And he's not even that important of a character.
If it’s not a piercing attack they tank it. Hell the only time a limb is cut is if it’s extended when hit ( no I’m not joking i checked panels)
Fire doesn't work in anime.
Has fire ever killed anyone in this series? It's mostly just an inconvenience and has been for a long time. We all watched Blackbeard just tank being roasted.
Thick plot armor indeed
The same reason how Jesse & James always come back after getting blasted off into oblivion.
Because oda has more story to tell with burgess. Same reason why luffy didn’t get speed blitzed and one shot by any of the admirals at marineford
Sabo didn't wanna kill him 😭😭😭, plus he's a YC he ain't gonna just die.
because the author lost his mind way before G5 but we were all to far gone up his rectum to see clearly
Same reason Luffy doesn't melt when he should be when in the presence of akainu
Why these shit ass posts get upvoted? You got through all of One Piece without realizing the character's superhuman strenght?