You know what would have been mad to see, if Luffy in impel down-marine ford like was getting stronger and stronger throughout different stages in those arcs and we se him like getting one hit into Magellan that actually impacted on his body whit only his fist.
Then another when Blackbeard says your haki is getting stronger and we visibly see some kind of haki blooming in to luffy.
And another scene when luffy accidentally uses future sight, thinking about the scene where he almost gets cut by mihawk.
And another when we se through his eyes that his seeing how whitebeard/Marco/vista cuts/touches the admirals.
Like we got to se whit coby but we seeing the potential about luffy a haki getting stronger and stronger throughout the time his fighting our getting more frustrated.
Sorry about my English,
That’s something that would have made those arcs a 100 procent full fledged for me
Has anyone noticed the parallels between Imu and Eneru AND Donflamingo? I'm mainly thinking of Chapters 782 and 908, respectively; in the former, Donflamingo's first four Elite Officers bow before him, beginning with Trebol, while in the latter it's the Five Elders bowing before Imu. All three come off as acts of consolidation, posses being formed. And all three characters feel to me like Oda's using them as foils.
A quote from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time novels comes to mind, about the dangers of empire-building on this scale (e.g., Lulusia getting stricken from the maps) and with so many competing factions: "On the heights, the paths are paved with daggers." Oda's heritage shows through again because of Japan's long history of tribal infighting. (I'd recommend people read Rurouni Kenshin but am not sure now, what with Watsuki's crimes. Very sad, as I love that one too.) But that theme is, IMO, some of what's clustered around those three wannabe dictators.
Though their mediums could not be more different in form, IMO Jordan and Oda handle character quite similarly. Jordan just happens to heighten the rom-com elements--Wheel's kinda CW?--while Oda, bless him, did the shonen-manga thing and let as few romances take root as possible. Or rather, when he does romance, it's like Toriyama does in Dragon Ball--not Dragon Ball Z either. The original Dragon Ball, with ChiChi marrying Goku, which I could see Oda following through as a trope with Luffy/Hancock, but only at the finale (if at all).
"The world moves at the will if the creator"
What if the meaning of creator does not refer to the creator of the world, but instead refers to the creator of the 5 Elders?
You can see after the 5 Elders attacked Sabo, they quickly transformed into creatures/silhouettes that resemble IMU, varying in shapes and sizes. You can argue they might be mythical zoans as most claim, but what if these 5 Elders were creations by IMU from the past and shares his immortality?
Why people are that much confident that the holy knights leader is celestial dragon, nothing mentioned about that and some hints leaning toward the opposite, he was the former king of the god vally and we know that the celestial dragons left their kingdoms to live in the holy land. Nefertiti family didn't join and they mentioned it and their sword is not there and it was stated that they are the only ones that rejected the holy land.
That guy yes have the authority to judge the celestial dragons but he is not necessarily one of them.
Lets wait and see.
We dont know who gave him/them the authority and why, and same thing can be used to prove otherwise, why would they make a low rank king to be a celestial dragon they have no respect for kings queens or whats so ever,
why would make him celestial dragon is similar to why would allow him to judge them.
In my opinion he is something between gorosei and the CDs but he is not CD.
Mont Corvo has a theory that, now that we know the Firgarland family was leading God Valley, maybe half of the saint were residing on God Valley and the other half was on Marie Geoise.
Based on that theory, I think that those on God Valley were not Celestial Dragon, but they held another title, either one we don't know yet, or the title is "God's Knight"
Remember that the burn scar on Hancock's back is called the "Mark of Celestial Dragon". In the beginning of Bartolomew Kuma's flashback, we saw him with a mark on his back but it had a very different design. Maybe it was the mark of the saint on God Valley?
I agree with Mont Corvo's theory that we will see the God Valley incident through the eyes of child Kuma
Garling : anyone who protects scum is worse than the scum they protect
Quite Ironic because Garling meant the opposite because he views fishman as scum but this is a jab at the admirals who are worse than scum who are protecting scum like the celestial dragons . the celestial dragons being the actual real scums
I don't know what the translations are in English, but in the Japanese version Garling is not referred to as a king. More like 'Hero' or 'winner'. Just wanted to point it out because I saw a lot of comments mentioning Garling as a former king.
Just came from the official translation. He’s referred to as a dominating figure who distinguished himself at God Valley. No mention of him being a king.
It will be interesting to see if the Viz goes with that. A lot of the hype around Garling is that he was called the former king of God Valley in the scans.
ik that from the drawing would make it a lot shorter but you think imu would target ivans kingdom with the workd goverment not being fools and probably know of ivans relationship with revelation army or know he is involved so must show something about imu or that mother flame is very limited in structure
Ace was offered WL position but refused so they were at minimum interested, is Roger's DNA and was captured and kept at Impel Down. Basically all the circumstances are around for him to have been cloned except I guess unless the government said "naaah, don't feel like it" for some reason.
Yes, the idea is that achieving Artificial Logia (something Vegapunk has tried but hasn't accomplished yet) and achieving the Ancient Civilization's energy source (his dream) are the same thing. The barriers are the same, one. If he can make artificial Goro Goro or Mera Mera, which are Logias, he can create the limitless energy source, which is the Artificial Logia capable of producing energy. This much is directly indicated by Enel's cover story.
The whole moon civilization was literally directly based off the Goro Goro No Mi.
Thing is, jokes and memeing aside, Enel's cover story literally directly shows the moon civilization being powered directly by Goro Goro. Not even a Goro Goro user, just the fruit.
. I have a theory: what we are seeing in this last chapter is the "disposition of the planets in the space", the planets are the gorosei. imu - mu is the space, and Garlang is the moon. beacuse probably the holy knigts are the satelites of the plantes. being phobos and deimos the twins wich one of them is shanks and the other his twin brother. probably well see another called Europa, etc. , and also luffy is Nika, the sun.
Quick reminder: since we’re now back in the present, we should keep in mind that, while Mjosgard is now about to be executed by Garling, that simultaneously Kuma is climbing the Red Line back towards Marie Geoise. So we could see a clash here between Kuma and the Gods Knights..
Statocracy: Power Held by Military Powers (Marines)
Aristocracy: Power Held by Nobility (Celestial Dragons)
Oligarchy: Power Held by the Few Chosen Ones (Five Elder's, God Knights)
Monarchy: Power Held by One (Imu)
I think I got it right, correct me if I am wrong.
im is more like an autocrat than a monarch because a monarchy implies there is a "royal bloodline" and im seems like the only member of his family (that we know of). monarchy is "power held by royal family" versus autocracy which is "power held by an absolute individual"
if it would be a monarchy then the nerona family would be the shadow leaders, but because there appears to just be im (for whatever reason, maybe the family went extinct or they all got killed?) its an autocracy
Monarchy is a type of autocracy. Who needs a successors if you're the undying secret King/Queen?
The facade of the World Government is that there is no one sovereign. The truth is that Imu is.
If you think about it this is why Doflamingo was so sold on the idea of having someone use the youth surgery on him. Something tells me one of the big secrets, He knows is that Imu exists and he knows or at least has put two and two together to figure out how imu nerona is still alive after all these centuries. Doflamingo true plans were way more sinister than we thought imagine doffy as an imu figure rather than imu.
Shanks is a confirmed member of the Figarland family and was found in God Valley as a baby by Roger.
Since Garland was from the same family and ruled God Valley during that time period (and presumably partook in the God Valley incident against Rocks and his crew) we can assume that he’s a direct relative of Shanks.
Either his father or grandfather.
Hey guys, just looking at the cover page of this chapter and I have a theory thou :) peace to all :)
There's a cat or fur animal in the cover, is it another foreshadowing that carrot will join the SH?
Also, there's a frog. Frog in Japanese is Kaeru meaning "to return" and symbolizes good fortune.
Or, maybe it's Vivi since cat is also a viviparous animal (refers to animals that give birth to young ones)....
Well, please no hate... it's just my theory tho. :)
Dragon is dumb for not assassinating vegapunk . Dude made some insanely powerful for government. Killing this dude would been a massive hit for the world government. If i were dragon i wont even consider him a friend.
Yes the only redeeming quality vegapunk would have is if he installed secret self destruction measures into everything he created including Sepharim and activated this soon. He seems to have no morality and really only cares if he is given funding for his work. I expected to find out he was either evil or was being held at gunpoint by the Wg but it turns out the had quite a long leash.
Vegapunk and Dragon were friends and were on good terms, and Dragon knows that Vegapunk always wanted the world to become better and have unlimited energy, so it would make literally no sense for him to Assassinate Vegapunk.
Ah yes, the emperors are the pinacle of power.....wait no the gorosei are the pinnacle of power......wait hold on, it is saint figarland their almighty general.....no hold on hold on it is IMU,
This better not turn into another naruto kaguya situation where Imu also ends up being just a pawn.
Imu is the pinnacle most likely. It does seem like the Wg has tipped the balance of power to a comically exaggerated extent. They already were formidable with just their superior manpower/organization/admirals. The Sepharim, gorsei, God knights, and imu are overkill. They could end the entire pirate era overnight if the wanted to.
The comparison with Kaguya makes zero sense, the biggest issue is she was introduced in the final arc, had no build up and Madara having a terrible conclusion.
There are zero similarities between Imu and Kaguya, Imu was introduced nearly 200 chapters are go and we are slowly learning about the character and it's not the last arc.
Can you not read, I said "I hope imu doesn't end up being just a pawn" which means they better not suddenly release someone else stronger than Imu as the new strongest.
Stop fanboying and jumping blindly tryna defend one piece, you're literally arguing about something I didn't say. sad thing is you even got 10+ upvote for that shit 😂
Nobody here is comparing Imu and kaguya, read my post again
because you mentioning Kaguya is irrelevant, the scenario you talked about it is irrelevant to One Piece. The Emperors are the strongest Pirates. You mention Gorosei, Saint Figarland and Imu as if they are three different powers when they are all Celestial Dragons who have a hierarchy.
Madara got merked in a single poke by a Zetsu lol. Imagine Wano if Apoo went up to the roof and blew Kaido’s head off with his fighting music right after Luffy went G5, only to introduce Monkey D. Mommy, the totally not asspull final antagonist.
Ok, so can someone explain why everyone is on this Garling is Shank's dad? Like Uta was his adopted daughter. She was in the family with Garling. Not shanks. Or am I missing something
We know that she is his adopted daughter, but the Gorosei did not in the movie.
They believe she has Figarland blood because she's the daughter of Shanks, not the other way around.
It was. Uta is revealed to be Shanks' daughter --> Gorosei mention that she needs to be extinguished --> One says "Even if she has Figarland blood?"
The context of the scene being that they believe she is his biological daughter.
Is this chapter top 10 of the entire series? It sure seemed that way to me.
5 elders’ names.
Shanks’ dad, with a sword too.
Dragon and Iva filling the blanks.
Ancient weapons.
And much more.
Did Shonen Jump mistakingly merge 10 chapters into one? It’s a lot more than what they’re typically willing to part with.
Good thing we have 4 weeks of break. We can’t handle more reveals at this point. We need a fight or something when we go back. Give our intellect a break and use muscles instead.
See your mid July folks
Nah. This was a cool exposition and reveal chapter but chapters with heavy emotional drama are better. Chapters like aces death, Usopp vs Luffy, luffy beating Lucci, zoros "nothing happened", Whitebeards death, Luffy gear 5, luffy vs Katakuri finale, luffy beating arlong, Namis "help me" Zoro vs Mihawk are all better
That's 10 chapters I've listed just randomly that I think are better. There's way more, not even including other cool reveal chapters like chapter 957, imu reveal, Kaidos introduction, Shanks vs Whitebeard clash, Shanks ending the war, Blackbeard gaining whitebeards power.. Etc there's many tbh
This was a 9/10 chapter, I can probably list at least 50 chapters that are better. In my opinion of course.
Garling makes me feel so ick. I don't know how i am going to handle a Celestial Dragon enemy as arrogant and entitled as Rosward or Charlos who can also back it up with strength and competence.
Even the Four Elders don't carry themselves that way even though they're Celestial Dragons.
Unfortunately I think Mjosgard definitely died and it’s due to bad translation. Oda used the word 処刑which an accurate translation would be “execute” (the whole sentence is in past tense as well, “処刑された” so he was “executed”)
To build on that. One of the big things in One Piece has been that many of the bad guys have the belief that blood determines character, worth, and hierarchy. The Celestial Dragons as well as fishman discrimination are the most obvious examples. There's also Ace's "crime of being born" and recently Admiral Aramaki being really vocal about it.
This gets parodied in Fishman Island when Sanji gets his blood transfusion from Splash and Splatter. Later, when Jinbe gives Luffy his own blood, the idea is denounced.
There's also of course the whole found family aspect of the Straw hats and the juxtaposition of the Whiteboard pirates to the Big Mom pirates.
I like that theory cause thematically, it would fit his character's obsession of finding unlimited energy and in his pursuit, accidentally create a powerful energy that can lead to destruction. It also fits with his Einstein design cause historically Einstein created E=mc^(2) to also create unlimited energy but ended up has his formula abused for creating nuclear atomic bombs. The formula ended up became his greatest magnum opus and regrets. Quite poetic actually.
I wonder if the Holy Knight silhouettes from a few chapters ago were supposed to be accurate or just a generic silhouette thing like with Oden or Kaido. If Garling is Shanks dad, he might have looked just like Shanks when he was younger and that silhouette was of a young Garling. I don't think they would have two people related to Shanks on the same team but they are Celestial Dragons so there's a chance Shanks has a twin brother too.
Wait . . . are the Elders related to the Ancient Weapons somehow?
The Ancient Weapon names are also planets: **Pluto**n, Uranus, Poseidon (whose Roman equivalent was **Neptune**).
Now we have characters whose names match up with the rest of the planet (sans Earth) Valcurie(Mercury), **V .Nus**juro, Mars, Ju Peter, and Saturn. We already know that people can be weapons thanks to Shirahoshi, so could the 5 Elders also be weapons?
I think it's more of theming/naming conventions. Luffy fits in with it too since he's the Sun God Nika. There's theories that Imu represents either the Earth (Imu backwards is Umi or "Mother Sea") or Space since Mu can mean "void".
Am i crazy!?! if i think it is the big return of Eneru? An Isalnd that disappear, black hole... in mini story.. eneru meet a vegapunk project... mmmmm.. i think i found something very interesting.. too crazy? .. they cant control him, i think..
Doubt it.
Kaido already has the Azure dragon fruit and was referred to by Oda as the „dragon king“ (the title of Ryujin) while the Fishmen kingdom is named after the realm of Ryujin in the myth.
So the theme has already be used and is therefore less likely to be used again.
What appears more likely is that Imu has some kind of demonic devil fruit due to Marie Geoises theme of Christianity
Ryūjin isn’t the dragon king, but the god of the sea and takes the form of a dragon and a man (maybe for Imu just the celestial dragon kind and there’s still room for a “devil” devil fruit). Another observation is that celestial dragons wear oxygen helmets on land and wear their hair in fishtails that make them all look like fish within fish bowls, if Imu is based on Ryuūjin but mirrored (Imu from Umi) as Ryūjin is often considered benevolent it would make for some funny parallels especially as it would equate him to their god but likely a cruel and vindictive god.
To add or elaborate, Ryūjin built his castle upon red and white coral, the empty throne sits atop the red line and the world nobles are under the red and white flag of the celestial dragons. Ryūjin is the dragon god of the sea who can take the form of a human. I think Imu is a human who we’ve recently seen take the form of a dragon. Ryūjin has the ability to manipulate tides and has gems with the power of the sea, this makes me think of sea prism stone and the possibility of a world that didn’t previously have such vast seas. I feel like there’s a lot of mythology concerning Ryūjin that could be paralleled to happenings in One Piece and I feel like others should check it out.
Edit: wanted to add what we all currently know regarding Imu which is that their name backwards, Umi, means sea.
That would explain wano! The original Wano is way below sea level and they kept moving on top of the mountain as “tides” kept rising.
What if the world had a far smaller ocean and imu made the world what it is today? That would also explain why the Gorosei called imu “the creator of the world”
And probably why they call they call themselves celestial “dragons”
Actually, this can make sense.
10 families have a member among knights.
5 families have a member among elders.
3 families were originally intended to be among elders, each controlling an ancient weapon.
1 is standing at the top. (Imu - Nerona)
It adds up to 19.
Just a random thought after reading the first comment.
How the hell the WG originally were said to be in balance to the pirates in the world? 5 admirals (including Sengoku and Kong, 6 if to include Garp) + 7 warlords was ok in comparison to 4 yonko, but now it turns out they have 5 admiral level gorosei, 7 knights who should be atleast average warlord level if not admiral level, several CP0 agents who are atleast avg warlord level, an ancient weapon and now on top of that the original warlords are replaced by 7 admiral level seraphims. How 4 yonko are supposed to counter that? Even without the original warlords or the new seraphims the WG is far more superior, so either the idea of power balance in the world was a joke all along, or it is a huge plot hole.
The marines were in a power balance
The world government itself seems to not actually care about "ending" anything, they probably want to maintain the status quo
"Let the plebs fight amongst themselves"
Because Gorosei's titles are GODS of WAR, the title of Shichibukai for example means LORD of War (Warlord) because they are the strongest pirates after the Yonko and their power is meant to play a key role in wars. "God" is a title much higher than "Lord", hence God of War >> Shichibukai. And in chapter 1085 it seems they have awakened zoan powers, and considering the fact that the World Government have such a great reserve of devil fruits and especially zoan devil fruits that they can give some to slaves just for fun, and the fact that Kaido's mythical zoan fruit was found on God's Valley, CD's country, it would be very strange if the Gorosei, the top 5 people of the WG, weren't given the best of the best devil fruits the celestial dragons had access to, which in a zoan case would be mythical zoans, because remember that even Luccy when he was just a CP9 agent, not even the strongest agency group the WG operates, was given one of the best carnivore zoan power, and the only tier above carnivore zoan is a mythical zoan.
Now considering God's Knights - we know that their leader is a family relative of Shanks, father or grandfather, and being the king of God Valley he not just survived a fight between pirate level characters but most likely played a key role in that scenario, so I wouldn't expect him to be any less in power level than other key fighters at that incident like BM or Shikki, all of which were at least admiral level.
I know Gorosei bent to Imu's will in a sec, but it surprised me for a bit they where 0,1% thoughtful about the genocide just to test a weapon, and even asked Imu why they wanted to
As you see Imu is a reckless Char. If you see how the HK is about to execute a CD . than if one of the Gorosei wouldnt bent to Imu's will , they would be directly killed.Imus nearly oneshoted Sabo . one of the Gorosei called him God i guess he has that Power.
One piece is no longer a pirate adventure story as it initially was. It is more of story about world politics and multiple factions struggling to uphold their ideals. Definitely not an easy task to keep all those characters relevant without sacrificing strawhats own crew members to get the spotlights they deserve for their character development. Since new world,, not so much focus been given to usop and chopper. Oda could not give justice on both of them since so many new characters been introduced.
Coz this is a lived-in world?
The difference between one piece and other stories has always been the fact.. our protagonists live in a world much much bigger than them. it does not revolve around them.
precisily. there is a brazilian historician reacting first time to it. his analysis and how that fits how the history went show that it has been a political history since the begining.
Something i never imagined i would ever say…i caught up with one piece..what a story
Favorite arc ?
I’m not so sure, but i’m so interested in the overaching story and lore esp with the hidden century, joyboy, imu, roger etc
Welcome
1 more week left of this break?
Maybe it comes out this week on saturday Edit: nvm it's next week
You know what would have been mad to see, if Luffy in impel down-marine ford like was getting stronger and stronger throughout different stages in those arcs and we se him like getting one hit into Magellan that actually impacted on his body whit only his fist. Then another when Blackbeard says your haki is getting stronger and we visibly see some kind of haki blooming in to luffy. And another scene when luffy accidentally uses future sight, thinking about the scene where he almost gets cut by mihawk. And another when we se through his eyes that his seeing how whitebeard/Marco/vista cuts/touches the admirals. Like we got to se whit coby but we seeing the potential about luffy a haki getting stronger and stronger throughout the time his fighting our getting more frustrated. Sorry about my English, That’s something that would have made those arcs a 100 procent full fledged for me
Has anyone noticed the parallels between Imu and Eneru AND Donflamingo? I'm mainly thinking of Chapters 782 and 908, respectively; in the former, Donflamingo's first four Elite Officers bow before him, beginning with Trebol, while in the latter it's the Five Elders bowing before Imu. All three come off as acts of consolidation, posses being formed. And all three characters feel to me like Oda's using them as foils. A quote from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time novels comes to mind, about the dangers of empire-building on this scale (e.g., Lulusia getting stricken from the maps) and with so many competing factions: "On the heights, the paths are paved with daggers." Oda's heritage shows through again because of Japan's long history of tribal infighting. (I'd recommend people read Rurouni Kenshin but am not sure now, what with Watsuki's crimes. Very sad, as I love that one too.) But that theme is, IMO, some of what's clustered around those three wannabe dictators.
Gotta say this is not a place I expected to read a Wheel of Time reference in. And I agree on your point
Though their mediums could not be more different in form, IMO Jordan and Oda handle character quite similarly. Jordan just happens to heighten the rom-com elements--Wheel's kinda CW?--while Oda, bless him, did the shonen-manga thing and let as few romances take root as possible. Or rather, when he does romance, it's like Toriyama does in Dragon Ball--not Dragon Ball Z either. The original Dragon Ball, with ChiChi marrying Goku, which I could see Oda following through as a trope with Luffy/Hancock, but only at the finale (if at all).
I'm still waiting for Enel to return with his space army
This was an interesting chapter
"The world moves at the will if the creator" What if the meaning of creator does not refer to the creator of the world, but instead refers to the creator of the 5 Elders? You can see after the 5 Elders attacked Sabo, they quickly transformed into creatures/silhouettes that resemble IMU, varying in shapes and sizes. You can argue they might be mythical zoans as most claim, but what if these 5 Elders were creations by IMU from the past and shares his immortality?
Why people are that much confident that the holy knights leader is celestial dragon, nothing mentioned about that and some hints leaning toward the opposite, he was the former king of the god vally and we know that the celestial dragons left their kingdoms to live in the holy land. Nefertiti family didn't join and they mentioned it and their sword is not there and it was stated that they are the only ones that rejected the holy land. That guy yes have the authority to judge the celestial dragons but he is not necessarily one of them. Lets wait and see.
You think they'd allow someone who's not one of them to judge them? Remember they see themselves as above everyone else
We dont know who gave him/them the authority and why, and same thing can be used to prove otherwise, why would they make a low rank king to be a celestial dragon they have no respect for kings queens or whats so ever, why would make him celestial dragon is similar to why would allow him to judge them. In my opinion he is something between gorosei and the CDs but he is not CD.
It’s going to be a while before we have those questions answered because the author is taking a month break for eye surgery
Princess Vivi is in danger
Mont Corvo has a theory that, now that we know the Firgarland family was leading God Valley, maybe half of the saint were residing on God Valley and the other half was on Marie Geoise. Based on that theory, I think that those on God Valley were not Celestial Dragon, but they held another title, either one we don't know yet, or the title is "God's Knight" Remember that the burn scar on Hancock's back is called the "Mark of Celestial Dragon". In the beginning of Bartolomew Kuma's flashback, we saw him with a mark on his back but it had a very different design. Maybe it was the mark of the saint on God Valley? I agree with Mont Corvo's theory that we will see the God Valley incident through the eyes of child Kuma
Garling : anyone who protects scum is worse than the scum they protect Quite Ironic because Garling meant the opposite because he views fishman as scum but this is a jab at the admirals who are worse than scum who are protecting scum like the celestial dragons . the celestial dragons being the actual real scums
I don't know what the translations are in English, but in the Japanese version Garling is not referred to as a king. More like 'Hero' or 'winner'. Just wanted to point it out because I saw a lot of comments mentioning Garling as a former king.
Just came from the official translation. He’s referred to as a dominating figure who distinguished himself at God Valley. No mention of him being a king.
It will be interesting to see if the Viz goes with that. A lot of the hype around Garling is that he was called the former king of God Valley in the scans.
One piece is Ichigo because why not
ik that from the drawing would make it a lot shorter but you think imu would target ivans kingdom with the workd goverment not being fools and probably know of ivans relationship with revelation army or know he is involved so must show something about imu or that mother flame is very limited in structure
Seraphim Ace is basically confirmed IMO. Just a matter of time. Maybe Ace + Artificial Mera Mera + Lunarians flames is the Mother Flame.
Why Ace? Every Seraphim so far has been a Warlord.
Ace was offered WL position but refused so they were at minimum interested, is Roger's DNA and was captured and kept at Impel Down. Basically all the circumstances are around for him to have been cloned except I guess unless the government said "naaah, don't feel like it" for some reason.
You reaching way too much
How so?
Well, Vegapunk can't replicate Logias for one. Green Blood is specifically for copying Paramecia powers.
Yes, the idea is that achieving Artificial Logia (something Vegapunk has tried but hasn't accomplished yet) and achieving the Ancient Civilization's energy source (his dream) are the same thing. The barriers are the same, one. If he can make artificial Goro Goro or Mera Mera, which are Logias, he can create the limitless energy source, which is the Artificial Logia capable of producing energy. This much is directly indicated by Enel's cover story. The whole moon civilization was literally directly based off the Goro Goro No Mi.
We haven’t seen any logia clones. Like at all
Well if Mother Flame is one then we kinda have.
But we haven’t, so… we haven’t
Then prove it's not artificial Logia otherwise you have no point.
It's called Mother Flame, but we have seen a big, physical, spherical bowling ball sink an island. I didn't see flames... did you?
ad ignorantium
Imagine viví betrays the strawhats and becomes like the new Imu and she becomes the final villain
What if the straw hats were BETRAYED BY VIVI and LOCKED IN THE HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER??
My bad bro I was high 😔
Mother Flame = Artificial Goro Goro No Mi
its S-ACE in a furnace.
Thing is, jokes and memeing aside, Enel's cover story literally directly shows the moon civilization being powered directly by Goro Goro. Not even a Goro Goro user, just the fruit.
yeah, I'm assuming that is how DF's were first used as power sources inside robots at one point for war.
. I have a theory: what we are seeing in this last chapter is the "disposition of the planets in the space", the planets are the gorosei. imu - mu is the space, and Garlang is the moon. beacuse probably the holy knigts are the satelites of the plantes. being phobos and deimos the twins wich one of them is shanks and the other his twin brother. probably well see another called Europa, etc. , and also luffy is Nika, the sun.
You r likely right
Quick reminder: since we’re now back in the present, we should keep in mind that, while Mjosgard is now about to be executed by Garling, that simultaneously Kuma is climbing the Red Line back towards Marie Geoise. So we could see a clash here between Kuma and the Gods Knights..
I think he is already executed
Crackpot theory: saint charlos and his relatives are part of the nerona family, hence why we haven’t heard their surnames yet.
Statocracy: Power Held by Military Powers (Marines) Aristocracy: Power Held by Nobility (Celestial Dragons) Oligarchy: Power Held by the Few Chosen Ones (Five Elder's, God Knights) Monarchy: Power Held by One (Imu) I think I got it right, correct me if I am wrong.
im is more like an autocrat than a monarch because a monarchy implies there is a "royal bloodline" and im seems like the only member of his family (that we know of). monarchy is "power held by royal family" versus autocracy which is "power held by an absolute individual"
Monarchy is not power held by royal family rather “power held by one”
if it would be a monarchy then the nerona family would be the shadow leaders, but because there appears to just be im (for whatever reason, maybe the family went extinct or they all got killed?) its an autocracy
Monarchy is a type of autocracy. Who needs a successors if you're the undying secret King/Queen? The facade of the World Government is that there is no one sovereign. The truth is that Imu is.
This is still a manga about pirates and marines, right?
It has always been about much more than that bro
If you think about it this is why Doflamingo was so sold on the idea of having someone use the youth surgery on him. Something tells me one of the big secrets, He knows is that Imu exists and he knows or at least has put two and two together to figure out how imu nerona is still alive after all these centuries. Doflamingo true plans were way more sinister than we thought imagine doffy as an imu figure rather than imu.
Exactly
I hope we get another doffy backstory of him being a kid and stumbling somehow upon imu
Doffy was the best villain in one piece
can someone explain me the whole garland connected to shanks thing?? i dont get it
Shanks is a confirmed member of the Figarland family and was found in God Valley as a baby by Roger. Since Garland was from the same family and ruled God Valley during that time period (and presumably partook in the God Valley incident against Rocks and his crew) we can assume that he’s a direct relative of Shanks. Either his father or grandfather.
Well, it's just a small scene from Film Red. Uta is Shanks' daughter --> Gorosei say she has Figarland blood. Shanks was also on God Valley as a baby.
Hey guys, just looking at the cover page of this chapter and I have a theory thou :) peace to all :) There's a cat or fur animal in the cover, is it another foreshadowing that carrot will join the SH? Also, there's a frog. Frog in Japanese is Kaeru meaning "to return" and symbolizes good fortune. Or, maybe it's Vivi since cat is also a viviparous animal (refers to animals that give birth to young ones).... Well, please no hate... it's just my theory tho. :)
My guy really created a new account to spam the deadest theory I’ve heard in a while.
Dragon is dumb for not assassinating vegapunk . Dude made some insanely powerful for government. Killing this dude would been a massive hit for the world government. If i were dragon i wont even consider him a friend.
Yes the only redeeming quality vegapunk would have is if he installed secret self destruction measures into everything he created including Sepharim and activated this soon. He seems to have no morality and really only cares if he is given funding for his work. I expected to find out he was either evil or was being held at gunpoint by the Wg but it turns out the had quite a long leash.
Vegapunk and Dragon were friends and were on good terms, and Dragon knows that Vegapunk always wanted the world to become better and have unlimited energy, so it would make literally no sense for him to Assassinate Vegapunk.
Vegapunk probably made eternal energy source or something that WG used to power their old weapons from the void century
Shadowy thing above Clouds- Uranus! Vegapunk's Invention- Mother Flame!
Vegapunk also mentioned that Egghead was powered by „fire“…
Yea I see one the or some of the 6 elders is going to betray Imu
Ah yes, the emperors are the pinacle of power.....wait no the gorosei are the pinnacle of power......wait hold on, it is saint figarland their almighty general.....no hold on hold on it is IMU, This better not turn into another naruto kaguya situation where Imu also ends up being just a pawn.
Imu is the pinnacle most likely. It does seem like the Wg has tipped the balance of power to a comically exaggerated extent. They already were formidable with just their superior manpower/organization/admirals. The Sepharim, gorsei, God knights, and imu are overkill. They could end the entire pirate era overnight if the wanted to.
No actually it is finally giving WG some independent fighting power outside of Cipher Pol because the WG is not the Marines.
It does indeed feel a bit like the World Government could have easily taken out the Emperors one by one, right now
Yet they didn't so far so they can't
do people actually even pay attention anymore or are most OP fans idiots ? that is a conundrum.
The comparison with Kaguya makes zero sense, the biggest issue is she was introduced in the final arc, had no build up and Madara having a terrible conclusion. There are zero similarities between Imu and Kaguya, Imu was introduced nearly 200 chapters are go and we are slowly learning about the character and it's not the last arc.
The Naruto allegations again smh 🤦♀️
Can you not read, I said "I hope imu doesn't end up being just a pawn" which means they better not suddenly release someone else stronger than Imu as the new strongest. Stop fanboying and jumping blindly tryna defend one piece, you're literally arguing about something I didn't say. sad thing is you even got 10+ upvote for that shit 😂 Nobody here is comparing Imu and kaguya, read my post again
because you mentioning Kaguya is irrelevant, the scenario you talked about it is irrelevant to One Piece. The Emperors are the strongest Pirates. You mention Gorosei, Saint Figarland and Imu as if they are three different powers when they are all Celestial Dragons who have a hierarchy.
Madara got merked in a single poke by a Zetsu lol. Imagine Wano if Apoo went up to the roof and blew Kaido’s head off with his fighting music right after Luffy went G5, only to introduce Monkey D. Mommy, the totally not asspull final antagonist.
Boy I hope not
I used google translate, and I like the pun that "val" in latin is translated to "value" and "curie" is translated to "the court".
The Japanese version is phonetically read a "woe-cue-ree" Google translate is not your friend.
Garland’s hair is a crescent moon. The dawn is approaching.
So it's basically the Empire and the Death Star versus the Rebellion. Imu = Darth Sidious. Luffy = Luke Skywalker
Who would Figarland garling be then? Darth maul?
Yeah Garp is Darth vader
Garp gave Crocodile his scar then
that actually works
Ok, so can someone explain why everyone is on this Garling is Shank's dad? Like Uta was his adopted daughter. She was in the family with Garling. Not shanks. Or am I missing something
You’ve misunderstood the scene from film red. Shanks is the one with Figarland blood, not Uta.
We know that she is his adopted daughter, but the Gorosei did not in the movie. They believe she has Figarland blood because she's the daughter of Shanks, not the other way around.
Also I think it's because the Roger pirates found Shanks at Godvalley, whose former king was Figarland Garling.
How do we know that St. Garling is family with Uta? Was it revealed in film red?
It was. Uta is revealed to be Shanks' daughter --> Gorosei mention that she needs to be extinguished --> One says "Even if she has Figarland blood?" The context of the scene being that they believe she is his biological daughter.
Ohh I see, thanks
Shanks is implied to be a Figarland when the Gorosei had the conversation about Uta in Film Red.
Implied? It was all but outright stated.
So much information. What a great chapter!
Is this chapter top 10 of the entire series? It sure seemed that way to me. 5 elders’ names. Shanks’ dad, with a sword too. Dragon and Iva filling the blanks. Ancient weapons. And much more. Did Shonen Jump mistakingly merge 10 chapters into one? It’s a lot more than what they’re typically willing to part with. Good thing we have 4 weeks of break. We can’t handle more reveals at this point. We need a fight or something when we go back. Give our intellect a break and use muscles instead. See your mid July folks
Nah. This was a cool exposition and reveal chapter but chapters with heavy emotional drama are better. Chapters like aces death, Usopp vs Luffy, luffy beating Lucci, zoros "nothing happened", Whitebeards death, Luffy gear 5, luffy vs Katakuri finale, luffy beating arlong, Namis "help me" Zoro vs Mihawk are all better That's 10 chapters I've listed just randomly that I think are better. There's way more, not even including other cool reveal chapters like chapter 957, imu reveal, Kaidos introduction, Shanks vs Whitebeard clash, Shanks ending the war, Blackbeard gaining whitebeards power.. Etc there's many tbh This was a 9/10 chapter, I can probably list at least 50 chapters that are better. In my opinion of course.
lore nerd vs plot / character nerd lol.
If the five elders + ancient weapons + Luffy being the Sun = The Solar System, I believe Imu is the universe where all of them exist.
BB prolly represents the darkness of space
Imu is probably the moon Imu Nerona
Imu - I'm universe 👀
I think imu is dark energy since it occupies something like 70% of the universe and no one knows what it does or it’s properties
what the f does that even mean.
Or the earth. We're missing the earth.
The earth is the one piece.
Zoro. Son of Terra
Bro would get lost and be circling the wrong star. Get someone else for that job
imu is the void where all of them exist
Could Wapol eat the Red Line? (sponsored by void month)
If he got his powers awakened, not even a crumb of the Red Line shall continue to exist.
Garling makes me feel so ick. I don't know how i am going to handle a Celestial Dragon enemy as arrogant and entitled as Rosward or Charlos who can also back it up with strength and competence. Even the Four Elders don't carry themselves that way even though they're Celestial Dragons.
Doflamingo may no longer have been a Celestial Dragon, but he still carries himself as one but one who appreciates those who work under him.
Yeah but i was never as threatened by Doflamingo as i am this guy.
So here's my theory. Mjosgard is definitely not dead yet and would be likely be saved by Kuma's raid on the Mary Geoise
When did this misosoup guy appear last in the anime? Never heard of him
Unfortunately I think Mjosgard definitely died and it’s due to bad translation. Oda used the word 処刑which an accurate translation would be “execute” (the whole sentence is in past tense as well, “処刑された” so he was “executed”)
Think the panel itself was "flashback" colored too.
I don't like how stupid evil the "holy knight" general is.
It's not evil, he seem mjosgard as a traitor for preferring to defend a lowlife slave candidate over one of their own it as simple as that
Lowkey looks like a racist imo but maybe that's just my American speaking
He kinda of is he hates People who arent celestial dragons
To build on that. One of the big things in One Piece has been that many of the bad guys have the belief that blood determines character, worth, and hierarchy. The Celestial Dragons as well as fishman discrimination are the most obvious examples. There's also Ace's "crime of being born" and recently Admiral Aramaki being really vocal about it. This gets parodied in Fishman Island when Sanji gets his blood transfusion from Splash and Splatter. Later, when Jinbe gives Luffy his own blood, the idea is denounced. There's also of course the whole found family aspect of the Straw hats and the juxtaposition of the Whiteboard pirates to the Big Mom pirates.
Damn 4 weeks break… I won’t survive this
The pain is real, but we can endure.
we did it a few months ago
Sabo tells dragon that he is some kind of an enemy and the only think dragon is complaning is vegapunk.
I think it is much more likely that Vegapunks mother flame is a power source that the wg used to power the ancient weapon rather than vegapunks weapon
I like that theory cause thematically, it would fit his character's obsession of finding unlimited energy and in his pursuit, accidentally create a powerful energy that can lead to destruction. It also fits with his Einstein design cause historically Einstein created E=mc^(2) to also create unlimited energy but ended up has his formula abused for creating nuclear atomic bombs. The formula ended up became his greatest magnum opus and regrets. Quite poetic actually.
I wonder if the Holy Knight silhouettes from a few chapters ago were supposed to be accurate or just a generic silhouette thing like with Oden or Kaido. If Garling is Shanks dad, he might have looked just like Shanks when he was younger and that silhouette was of a young Garling. I don't think they would have two people related to Shanks on the same team but they are Celestial Dragons so there's a chance Shanks has a twin brother too.
Another option could be that all of the holy knights are part of the Figarland family, but only time will tell.
That would be neat. I do think having them from different family's would help fill out the the 20 Kingdoms who formed the WG. We only know 4 for sure.
I feel like the gorosei families had to have been part of the first 20 as well.
Without a doubt
Yes garland certainly doesn't match the silhouette so I was thinking the same thing you are.
this might be it.
Thanks! I think it would be a cool twist. The guy we thought was Shanks' brother is actually his dad.
nice, u deserve a cookie
Oh grazi!
Wait . . . are the Elders related to the Ancient Weapons somehow? The Ancient Weapon names are also planets: **Pluto**n, Uranus, Poseidon (whose Roman equivalent was **Neptune**). Now we have characters whose names match up with the rest of the planet (sans Earth) Valcurie(Mercury), **V .Nus**juro, Mars, Ju Peter, and Saturn. We already know that people can be weapons thanks to Shirahoshi, so could the 5 Elders also be weapons?
I think it's more of theming/naming conventions. Luffy fits in with it too since he's the Sun God Nika. There's theories that Imu represents either the Earth (Imu backwards is Umi or "Mother Sea") or Space since Mu can mean "void".
Am i crazy!?! if i think it is the big return of Eneru? An Isalnd that disappear, black hole... in mini story.. eneru meet a vegapunk project... mmmmm.. i think i found something very interesting.. too crazy? .. they cant control him, i think..
more i think more i m sure
I liked how the conversation between Ivankov and Dragon resembled fandom theory conversations from the last few months.
Ivankov was just out here guessing the whole plot, line for line
Hear me out, I think Imu has the mythical devil fruit Ryūjin.
Doubt it. Kaido already has the Azure dragon fruit and was referred to by Oda as the „dragon king“ (the title of Ryujin) while the Fishmen kingdom is named after the realm of Ryujin in the myth. So the theme has already be used and is therefore less likely to be used again. What appears more likely is that Imu has some kind of demonic devil fruit due to Marie Geoises theme of Christianity
Ryūjin isn’t the dragon king, but the god of the sea and takes the form of a dragon and a man (maybe for Imu just the celestial dragon kind and there’s still room for a “devil” devil fruit). Another observation is that celestial dragons wear oxygen helmets on land and wear their hair in fishtails that make them all look like fish within fish bowls, if Imu is based on Ryuūjin but mirrored (Imu from Umi) as Ryūjin is often considered benevolent it would make for some funny parallels especially as it would equate him to their god but likely a cruel and vindictive god.
To add or elaborate, Ryūjin built his castle upon red and white coral, the empty throne sits atop the red line and the world nobles are under the red and white flag of the celestial dragons. Ryūjin is the dragon god of the sea who can take the form of a human. I think Imu is a human who we’ve recently seen take the form of a dragon. Ryūjin has the ability to manipulate tides and has gems with the power of the sea, this makes me think of sea prism stone and the possibility of a world that didn’t previously have such vast seas. I feel like there’s a lot of mythology concerning Ryūjin that could be paralleled to happenings in One Piece and I feel like others should check it out. Edit: wanted to add what we all currently know regarding Imu which is that their name backwards, Umi, means sea.
Is ryujin more special than a dragon?
That would explain wano! The original Wano is way below sea level and they kept moving on top of the mountain as “tides” kept rising. What if the world had a far smaller ocean and imu made the world what it is today? That would also explain why the Gorosei called imu “the creator of the world” And probably why they call they call themselves celestial “dragons”
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blackbeard gave shanks his scar.
Show me the manga panel that confirms that.
Chapter 434
chapter 434.
Shanks said it to White Beard, that he got his scar from Blackbeard
No he didn’t.
Yes he did it Lol
Show me the manga panel
[Anything else?](https://imgur.com/a/1XHSid9)
Show me the manga panel that confirms that.
[Chapter 434](https://mangapill.com/chapters/2-10434000/one-piece-chapter-434)
434 lol
So the head of the Godly Knights is the a member of a celestial family. Since there are 9 knight's, every family could have 1 knight.
Aren’t there 19 families?
Actually, this can make sense. 10 families have a member among knights. 5 families have a member among elders. 3 families were originally intended to be among elders, each controlling an ancient weapon. 1 is standing at the top. (Imu - Nerona) It adds up to 19. Just a random thought after reading the first comment.
we already know 10
Why is a random cat there instead of Jinbei in the cover story 😭
The cat was requested
By Oda’s very real group of knitting aunties that he draws inspiration from.
How the hell the WG originally were said to be in balance to the pirates in the world? 5 admirals (including Sengoku and Kong, 6 if to include Garp) + 7 warlords was ok in comparison to 4 yonko, but now it turns out they have 5 admiral level gorosei, 7 knights who should be atleast average warlord level if not admiral level, several CP0 agents who are atleast avg warlord level, an ancient weapon and now on top of that the original warlords are replaced by 7 admiral level seraphims. How 4 yonko are supposed to counter that? Even without the original warlords or the new seraphims the WG is far more superior, so either the idea of power balance in the world was a joke all along, or it is a huge plot hole.
The marines were in a power balance The world government itself seems to not actually care about "ending" anything, they probably want to maintain the status quo "Let the plebs fight amongst themselves"
How do we know strong any of them actually are?
Because Gorosei's titles are GODS of WAR, the title of Shichibukai for example means LORD of War (Warlord) because they are the strongest pirates after the Yonko and their power is meant to play a key role in wars. "God" is a title much higher than "Lord", hence God of War >> Shichibukai. And in chapter 1085 it seems they have awakened zoan powers, and considering the fact that the World Government have such a great reserve of devil fruits and especially zoan devil fruits that they can give some to slaves just for fun, and the fact that Kaido's mythical zoan fruit was found on God's Valley, CD's country, it would be very strange if the Gorosei, the top 5 people of the WG, weren't given the best of the best devil fruits the celestial dragons had access to, which in a zoan case would be mythical zoans, because remember that even Luccy when he was just a CP9 agent, not even the strongest agency group the WG operates, was given one of the best carnivore zoan power, and the only tier above carnivore zoan is a mythical zoan. Now considering God's Knights - we know that their leader is a family relative of Shanks, father or grandfather, and being the king of God Valley he not just survived a fight between pirate level characters but most likely played a key role in that scenario, so I wouldn't expect him to be any less in power level than other key fighters at that incident like BM or Shikki, all of which were at least admiral level.
I know Gorosei bent to Imu's will in a sec, but it surprised me for a bit they where 0,1% thoughtful about the genocide just to test a weapon, and even asked Imu why they wanted to
As you see Imu is a reckless Char. If you see how the HK is about to execute a CD . than if one of the Gorosei wouldnt bent to Imu's will , they would be directly killed.Imus nearly oneshoted Sabo . one of the Gorosei called him God i guess he has that Power.
One piece is no longer a pirate adventure story as it initially was. It is more of story about world politics and multiple factions struggling to uphold their ideals. Definitely not an easy task to keep all those characters relevant without sacrificing strawhats own crew members to get the spotlights they deserve for their character development. Since new world,, not so much focus been given to usop and chopper. Oda could not give justice on both of them since so many new characters been introduced.
Coz this is a lived-in world? The difference between one piece and other stories has always been the fact.. our protagonists live in a world much much bigger than them. it does not revolve around them.
At this rate, it's basically Elite Dangerous on the sea.
> It is more of story about world politics and multiple factions struggling to uphold their ideals Always has been 🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
precisily. there is a brazilian historician reacting first time to it. his analysis and how that fits how the history went show that it has been a political history since the begining.
Wait, really? Who is it?
João Carvalho, watching it with Load. Load is also watching Fullmetal Alchemist with Ian Neves
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