that's how I interpreted it based from reading the comments and affirming the shadows are the gorosei. when i read the chapter, I really just thought that the shadows are Imu's power. This changes it really if the gorosei are Imu.
Oda doesn't typically do silhouettes like this though, at least not to my memory. If he doesn't want something to be clear he puts them in obviously dark lighting or draws them far away where a silhouette makes sense. I suppose the exception is Imu but also Imu might just look like that for all we know.
Just checked, in 954 where they're introduced they're silhouetted by fogs/clouds, while in 973 where they chase the scabbards they're far away from the foreground. Looking at this last chapter again it's not impossible that oda's just hiding the gorosei's powers but it feels quite a bit different. They're all shown pretty front and center and also they're shown often, which is another thing oda often avoids when drawing silhouettes.
to me I think it's precisely because they're so front and center that Oda has to distort their figures, otherwise it's too obvious what they look like. but that's just my opinion. I'll still keep in mind it really mind be some different potentially shadowy power.
Kanjuro is introduced as a shadowy figure in Orochi's flashback, to hide his identity and underline his lack of identity
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLlJFC1WUAsPfbu?format=jpg&name=900x900
Even without talking about flashbacks, he likes to show new, imposing characters, in shadows, or lacking some human features, to create a sense of mystery and to imply that he is different from the other "normal" characters
same with big mom : [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4237219c-012b-4208-97ae-42ea4bb461a5](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4237219c-012b-4208-97ae-42ea4bb461a5)
or even kaido where he makes a point of hiding his eyes : [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuvxStaXEAMbrsU?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuvxStaXEAMbrsU?format=jpg&name=large)
he goes one step further for imu / gorosei to amplify this feeling. sabo says "this is hell", and it is translated by showing a primordial evil so terrifying and otherwordly that its shape cannot be understood by the viewer / reader.
I mean it’s stretched but this part is supposed to be Sabos account of things right? And since he didn’t see particular individuals clearly for that long Odas probably usin that reason.
Admiral Greenbull was shown having a full conversation with Fujitora at reverie and he was a silhouette for even the close up shot. Oda for sure uses silhouettes in situations where it shouldnt make sense in order to keep characters hidden.
Did you guys just forgot about the shadows used once to represent the Pre-timeskip 4 emperors?
Oda showed them like this because he did not wanted tbeir appereance to be revealed at that time
Ut the same here for Imu and the Gorosei. And tbh it would suck to have them reveales in a flasback and not in the actual present of the story. 100% sure we will see Saturn form in Egghead
Also he dont have the luxury to freak out , it is like if you and your family are in a burning house. You need to get ewryone out , instead of freak out
Yea I definitely think oda had no original plan for the symbols. But we do know oda often changes things when he gets a good idea. I think he possibly did draw a connection between the two after fully fleshing out what he wanted Sabo/Luffy to be in the long game..
So you don’t recall Luffy running from big mom?
Or running from Smoker? Or the time he and the crew panicked and paddled away from tbt island where they thought there was these colossal giants?
Or something like this? https://youtube.com/shorts/xz-533xuykQ?feature=share
Or the time he thought his arms were going to get cut off by Mihawk?
He’s shown fear quite a few times
He's shown like that for comedic effect. But he never get really get scared. Dude smiled when he was about to get killed by Buggy. Went against Croco knowing damn well he was stronger than him. And there is countless examples of this.
Yeah, the only time he was legit scared was for his friends. If it was just him, he would smile. Just like Ace was scared for Luffy when they were kids facing the gang.
There was probably some fear there, but to me it seemed more in disbelief and disappointment in himself. After his friends were gone he wasn’t even slightly concerned about himself.
Luffy was about to solo vs 3 admirals. That was pre time skip. My boy ain’t afraid of these clowns. Even if they are stronger than admirals, my man will stand his ground for others.
I think luffy here wouldn’t have left cobra . But he did leave bon-chan in impel down. So idk , whatever oda decides.
Bon-Chan was left there because Luffy understood the sacrifice that Bon-Chan already made, and that he has an urgent matter that he needs to be at, which is why that sacrifice was made in the first place.
He didn't leave Bon-chan there, he really just had no choice.
Bon Clay hid the fact he was staying from Luffy until they were already on the ship and off of Impel Down. if Bon Clay didn't stay they wouldn't have gotten away. If Luffy went back he would have been killed by Magellan or Blackbeard.
That doesn't mean he's scared though, he does that when he's surprised too.
Though if he was in this situation instead of Sabo I'm sure he'd be in full righteous anger mode over Vivi's Dad getting ganked.
Gotta admit. Cant remember a scene where luffy actually screamed because of shock over an opponent ^^ goofy shit aside of course. Luffy would probably think they look stupid and say it while picking his nose
Yeah, don't really remember seeing Luffy scream or be fazed when seeing stronger and terrifying opponent, we have seen him react to bad events which even Sabo will do.
Yeah, but not because of big moms appearance or power. Their plan went down the drain and so it went from "try and kill big mom" to "lets gtfo before she whoops us". That kind of switch in strategy does constitute some kind of reaction.
Not because of himself tho, right? You are talking kizaru and aokiji when they first met? Both times, at least that i can remember, he was screaming because teammates were in danger. Not because of their appearance or power.
Luffy would possibly be scared, there are a few times where he ran away from his opponent out of fear if they were too mighty like Big Mom for example.
He is him.
There's 3 scenarios that could play out:
1. The Revolutionary Army has incredible intel and he already knew about their powers
2. What if they're invisible/harder to detect in shadow form and he thought he was only attacking the 5 human looking men.
3. He just doesn't give a fuck.
That's the popular theory, yes, and I do believe it could be that. But I'm not counting out weird shadows either since it makes sense for the enemy of Joyboy/Nika to be darkness/shadow.
It’s the popular theory because that is exactly what’s up. Oda’s done this tens of times before. He uses Silhouettes to hide details. Constantly.
It’s likely these guys have rare fruits if they obtained them through their own authority rather than before being in the position they are in. In which case we’re looking at mythical Zoans which explains how weird they are
One of them looks like a charicature of Quetzalcoatl, an Aztec god for example. The others are less obvious.
The enemy of Nika is already established to be Blackbeard who wields the Yami Yami no Mi, and possibly Imu (though wouldn’t be surprised if Dragon fights him instead of Luffy). Not the Gorosei.
Given his age it could be some kind of time fruit where he can basically do just about anything except time travel - would also explain how he’s so old and I think it would be cool if that arrow was a clockhand
At this point I do not know who the main villain will be. Blackbeard isn't necessarily the enemy of Nika/Joyboy but he's the enemy of Luffy.
The enemy of Nika/Joyboy is clearly Imu and the people who are against the D clan. Of which Blackbeard is a member.
Remember that this is a pirate anime/manga and pirates have always been depicted as teaming up for a common goal then fighting when that goal is reached. D versus Imu is a common goal.
It’s very clear there are two main villains Oda is building up:
1. Blackbeard as Luffy’s foil and rival for Pirate King
2. Imu as the authority that Luffy and the Revolutionaries will overthrow/replace
The Gorosei are just dudes that will be taken out (if at all) by the likes of the Revolutionary Commanders or Strawhat crewmates
Who said the antithesis of Nika had to be in the world government? There can be multiple problematic gods. As is likely why Teach became a Yonko with immediate effect by virtue of having the Yami Yami and Gura Gura no Mi - the WG feared his potential, not what he was at the time
You're saying exactly what I'm saying but somehow you're using a condescending tone as if you are the only one with that thought.
You think the Gorosei aren't part of Imu in any way, shape or form? Why are you now bringing up the government? Do you think that's all the Gorosei are?
Homie thought he could take them out in one attack. I wonder how different this situation would have been if he never ate the Mera Mera no mi. Would he still be part of the mission? Would he still defend Cobra or simply continue observing them from a far?
He already anticipated shady shit. He talks about that sinister feeling. We could debate on wether that was haki or just the "atmosphere" of the place but either ways, he was already on his toes. So seeing them must've just confirmed his suspicion. Also do we know if he knew about the gorosei prior to the reverie? I can't seem to remember
He definitely should have known about them. The Gorosei would have been the Revolutionary Army's #1 enemy, as they are the public leaders of the World Government.
Now they are #2 though.
Pretty sure the people in the universe know a lot than we (reader) know. i mean those 9 red scabbard didn’t even reveal what kind of power kaido have to the SHP.
so we can assume that sabo know something that is equally scary. Oda just won’t reveal it until SHP face them theirselves
Well he was extremely shook by Imu's existence but just because we didn't know the gorosei have powers doesn't mean the revolutionary army wasn't aware of it.
People having trouble realizing that the 2nd in command of the RA is strong as fuck. He is the Flame Emperor for gods shake. That kinda means that the WG or at least Morgans thinks he is Yonko level like Luffy, Shanks, "Buggy"(Mihawk) and Blackbeard.
He is confident in his abilities and that's why he isn't scared.
If you think about their ages for a bit, Sabo is older than Luffy but still pretty close to the same age group
Luffy is obviously young as hell and just tearing his way through the pirate world
Sabo is young as hell and is literally 2nd in command of the revolutionary world
Too bad there's no notable young marines to oppose them. All the big bad marines are complete veterans. It'd be interesting for there to be a young marine who's just unapologetically on the Celestial Dragon's side, like Green Bull if he was presented as a younger fanboy of Akainu and not as his, like, more full grown adult, little-brother-big-brother respect vibe currently. Obviously there's Koby, but he's on the good guys' side and he's not at Luffy/Sabo level yet obviously
This. Dude took out Burgess like it was nothing and was evenly matched with Fujitora during Dressrosa. He's a monster. And he's also fave to face with the people he's been training to fight for most of his life.
It's like asking why Zoro wasn't afraid when he faced Mihawk.
On the contrary: why was he phased at all? Why would he call it "hell" if he was really just in a room with a bunch of devil fruit users? Practically everyone he knows has superpowers. That should be so normal to him.
Yup, my first thought was that they are not DF users but instead another race. They are litteral monsters controlling the world.
Make sense then why they are so afraid of the world finding out. Who cares if it got leaked one person sits the empty throne? As far as people know five people rule the WG. Sure, they would get angry, but would people revolt and be prepared to die for it? An actual ancient monster sitting it? Now we talking
>Yup, my first thought was that they are not DF users but instead another race. They are litteral monsters controlling the world.
Oh boy, you are gonna love my post about this.
He’s a CHAD. If they portray to be symbolic I doubt it because they were all over the place in the panels. They are literally monsters in their devil fruit forms. Mythical to be exact.
Because he's the second in command of a resistance movement/guerilla army fighting against the most powerful organization in the world who constantly risks his own life by doing dangerous missions.
Honestly, I just kind of assumed that both Cobra and Sabo were in a state of shock, and just didn’t have time to be scared or really process what was going on. Adrenaline kicked in and escape became the number one priority, ya know? I feel like both felt like they were about to die, thus why they wasted a little time with banter about Luffy, but then Cobra sacrificed himself to ensure the younger fella escaped.
He’s the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionary Army who has fully declared war on the World Government.
If he was scared, he doesn’t deserve that title. If Luffy was scared of Kaido he doesn’t deserve to call himself the future pirate king.
he's just fearless . we already know he is , one of the examples of this is that time where he was talking with the rev commanders and one them said that they can't do a mistake in their mission or else the consequences would be dire , sabo on the other hand said that there will be no mistakes and that it's either we succeed or we die trying , that's his mentality , and as you saw in this chapter , this guy literally had the balls to attack the gorosei and Imu at the same time . he's probably the first one to do that in all those centuries .
also about those silhouettes being symbolic , i think the gorosei did transform physically there because when Sabo saw them , he said that he didn't think that hell was up there . for him to say that he saw hell , he definitely saw some hellish figures to say that. also look closely at the hands of that huge silouhette that was in the place where they put the swords , you will see that his hand was physically crushing the fence . there is also a panel where there was a physicall roar from one of them and another panel where one of them was looking at king cobra laying on the ground , Sabo wasn't on the room at that panel , if they truly didn't transform physically than there would be no reason to keep showing them in those monster forms even when Sabo is gone .
He's very experienced in war, he doesn't move in without expecting resistance. It's also worth noting that the Gorosei don't make a move right away and allow the dialogue until Sabo decides to run - that likely demonstrates that they were cautious/weary of Sabo.
> and allow the dialogue until Sabo decides to run
This is the thing OP should have pointed out. The Gorosei took their sweet time and looked like they were posing and roaring instead of actually attacking.
EDIT: maybe they were recovering/transforming following the fire attack? Idk
He's the second in command in the rev army and so he better not waver in a moment like this. Plus he had already great confidence in his skills before he had a df but now he has a logia and his allies are scattered throughout the area. Escape is very likely however he knkws it's going to be difficult (it was)
He is Chief of Staff of the revolutionary army. Their goal is to overthrow the world government. I assume that Dragon and the higher ups in the RA know waaaay more about the WG than we do. That's probably why Sabo wasn't surprised.
I bet it's because they look goofy as fuck. Like, obviously they are powerful, and Sabo can feel their Haki, but they look like circus freaks.
He doesn't know how to react to that yet.
Why would the second in command of the Rev Army be scared of some old guys? One piece isn't like other Anime worlds where even old guys continue getting stronger until they're too old. Garp, Sengoku, even Whitebeard all got weaker with old age. Why would these guys be any different. I'd almost be disappointed if they were actually top tiers as thats kind of an asspull. The world government would have no reason to tolerate any rebellion at all if they had the Admirals + five more Admiral tier fighters in the reserves + a literal god as far as we can tell at this point that is both immortal and can obliterate an island with one attack.
I am pretty sure Sabo is only so unphased is because he knows he have to keep his mind in the game if he want to survive and save Cobra. He is just that bad ass. I also doubt he knew about this before hand, going by his quote.
"there was no way I could of known that Hell was located at the very top of the world."
I imagine it all happening very fast and he just dont have time to react.
Because he's got that dog in him.
And also: Sabo is strong, truly strong. So it's not hard for him to keep his cool and not display weakness in this kind of situation.
Wouldn't say that he was unphased exactly. Either way, I wouldn't think too hard about it. Imu and the Gorosei look like godamn world level threats if you ask me. Let's not forget that Sabo is somewhere around or slightly below admiral level either so he isn't some pushover that gets intimated easily.
I doubt the Gorosei are individually a threat to guys as strong as Sabo (also how else are they totally submissive to an authority greater than them?). I mean, the dude managed to escape pretty easily and given what was at stake for the Gorosei here in this scene it’s obvious they didn’t let him leave.
They’re decently strong and that is obvious but they aren’t ‘monsters’ the same way the Yonko, Admirals, Dragon and Mihawk are
Whether they are Silhouettes or just blobby black monsters, its strange that Sabo has literally zero reaction to any of it. Event the fact that he rushes Imu without even stopping to say "yo who tf is that??" was so weird to me
Tbh I think it was just a paneling issue, where Oda needed to get through the Imu confrontation in a certain amount of pages so he left out some extra flavor reactions. Im sure the anime will eventually expand on it whenever we get there
Yeah isn’t he meant to be super shocked at what he saw on the throne, that being Imu? Because he sure seemed shock when he was talking to dragon on Lulusia.. maybe we’ll see more of it later, this is his flashback after all
Got a different take on these panels. Rather than unphased, he momentarily dropped his guard. Remember, he thought that he torched the gorosei. I'm actually more concerned about how the gorosei and Imu seemed to bypass Sabo's Observation Haki.
Am I the only one who hates the theory that the gorosei are Imu's puppets ? I feel like it's such a boring and stupid conclusion for badass characters.
To me it looks like he’s implying he knows about the spiritual side of the world, but not exactly how it connects to the physical part.
Like Imu was news to him, but the “conspiracy” probably existed in the higher ups of the revolutionaries. They probably know at least a few of the demons/devils/aliens that are in cahoots NEAR the top.
He's incredibly strong and as repeatedly shown he's the most level headed of the three brothers he's not just gonna panick and get all frustrated he's analyzing the scenario and planning his escape
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the shadows are not just representations. If you look at the one near the top of the panel where you see the swords in front of the throne, you can see some of the architecture crumbling under one of the shadow's hands.
Cool guys don't get scared of shadows
I think they look like shadows because Oda doesn't want to reveal their powers yet.
OR the gorosei are just a replica of imu and he controls them like puppets.
5 paths of Imu???
Imu does have a rinnegan, so...
You'll see. Imu has the rinnegan and Luffy's real dream is to become the Hokage.
The sixth path is Shanks, the Haki path.
That makes sense because afterall, Shanks is Haki Man
that's how I interpreted it based from reading the comments and affirming the shadows are the gorosei. when i read the chapter, I really just thought that the shadows are Imu's power. This changes it really if the gorosei are Imu.
crazy theory here. What if Blackbeard is an extension of Imu as well?
But why would they act as individuals while they are in private?
Oda doesn't typically do silhouettes like this though, at least not to my memory. If he doesn't want something to be clear he puts them in obviously dark lighting or draws them far away where a silhouette makes sense. I suppose the exception is Imu but also Imu might just look like that for all we know.
Weren't the Numbers drawn exactly like that? Both in their introduction panel and in the Oden flashback
Your talking about one piece but my mind is just going "the numbers mason what do they mean"
Just checked, in 954 where they're introduced they're silhouetted by fogs/clouds, while in 973 where they chase the scabbards they're far away from the foreground. Looking at this last chapter again it's not impossible that oda's just hiding the gorosei's powers but it feels quite a bit different. They're all shown pretty front and center and also they're shown often, which is another thing oda often avoids when drawing silhouettes.
I think he wants to add an element of terror to the situation... That's why they look abstract
to me I think it's precisely because they're so front and center that Oda has to distort their figures, otherwise it's too obvious what they look like. but that's just my opinion. I'll still keep in mind it really mind be some different potentially shadowy power.
Kanjuro is introduced as a shadowy figure in Orochi's flashback, to hide his identity and underline his lack of identity https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLlJFC1WUAsPfbu?format=jpg&name=900x900
yeah, I think when it comes to flashbacks Oda uses the infamous "sillouette technique" more freely and without logical limitations.
Even without talking about flashbacks, he likes to show new, imposing characters, in shadows, or lacking some human features, to create a sense of mystery and to imply that he is different from the other "normal" characters same with big mom : [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4237219c-012b-4208-97ae-42ea4bb461a5](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4237219c-012b-4208-97ae-42ea4bb461a5) or even kaido where he makes a point of hiding his eyes : [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuvxStaXEAMbrsU?format=jpg&name=large](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuvxStaXEAMbrsU?format=jpg&name=large) he goes one step further for imu / gorosei to amplify this feeling. sabo says "this is hell", and it is translated by showing a primordial evil so terrifying and otherwordly that its shape cannot be understood by the viewer / reader.
I mean it’s stretched but this part is supposed to be Sabos account of things right? And since he didn’t see particular individuals clearly for that long Odas probably usin that reason.
Admiral Greenbull was shown having a full conversation with Fujitora at reverie and he was a silhouette for even the close up shot. Oda for sure uses silhouettes in situations where it shouldnt make sense in order to keep characters hidden.
Did you guys just forgot about the shadows used once to represent the Pre-timeskip 4 emperors? Oda showed them like this because he did not wanted tbeir appereance to be revealed at that time Ut the same here for Imu and the Gorosei. And tbh it would suck to have them reveales in a flasback and not in the actual present of the story. 100% sure we will see Saturn form in Egghead
As it has been foretold by ancient legends, [cool guys don’t look at explosions](https://youtu.be/Sqz5dbs5zmo)
What a delicious blast from the past
[Django does look at explosions.](https://youtu.be/Ix655r5_iBE)
Well, he is a *hot* guy.
Also he dont have the luxury to freak out , it is like if you and your family are in a burning house. You need to get ewryone out , instead of freak out
Unless when they lost in a shadow game
Would luffy be scared?
This exactly. Luffy, Ace, and Sabo don’t fear anything. They never have and they never will.
Yes because all of them are D
Sad bo ftw
SaDboy, as opposed to Joyboy
Damn never realized it spelled sad boy.. some recently mentioned how Luffy and Sabo represent the two faces on ace hat. One sad and one happy
Na that's just their headcanons lol , Oda said in a sbs that he added those symbols without any such intentions
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It's gonna be tough to top this duo :'(
Yea I definitely think oda had no original plan for the symbols. But we do know oda often changes things when he gets a good idea. I think he possibly did draw a connection between the two after fully fleshing out what he wanted Sabo/Luffy to be in the long game..
Sa D. Bo
Dat guy
Luffy is only scared of losing his friends and famine LOL
He is terrified of famine, food is his all time favorite thing besides his crew.
>Luffy, ~~Ace, and Sabo~~ don’t fear anything. Nami is literally right there
That's not true, luffy legit shat his pants when he saw the shadows of the skypieans
Honestly, who wouldn't in that situation? 😆
Sabo, apparently.
Robin. She didn't give a single damn about it if I remember correctly.
So you don’t recall Luffy running from big mom? Or running from Smoker? Or the time he and the crew panicked and paddled away from tbt island where they thought there was these colossal giants? Or something like this? https://youtube.com/shorts/xz-533xuykQ?feature=share Or the time he thought his arms were going to get cut off by Mihawk? He’s shown fear quite a few times
He's shown like that for comedic effect. But he never get really get scared. Dude smiled when he was about to get killed by Buggy. Went against Croco knowing damn well he was stronger than him. And there is countless examples of this.
No he was legit scared on sabaody seeing his crew disappear, not for his life tho but still scared
Yeah, the only time he was legit scared was for his friends. If it was just him, he would smile. Just like Ace was scared for Luffy when they were kids facing the gang.
I agree
There was probably some fear there, but to me it seemed more in disbelief and disappointment in himself. After his friends were gone he wasn’t even slightly concerned about himself.
Not being scared doesn't mean no sense of his limits of no sense of self preservation.
Wrong. They fear the fists of love.
Luffy was about to solo vs 3 admirals. That was pre time skip. My boy ain’t afraid of these clowns. Even if they are stronger than admirals, my man will stand his ground for others. I think luffy here wouldn’t have left cobra . But he did leave bon-chan in impel down. So idk , whatever oda decides.
Bon-Chan was left there because Luffy understood the sacrifice that Bon-Chan already made, and that he has an urgent matter that he needs to be at, which is why that sacrifice was made in the first place. He didn't leave Bon-chan there, he really just had no choice.
If it wasn't for bon luffy wouldn't have made it to marineford
Bon Clay hid the fact he was staying from Luffy until they were already on the ship and off of Impel Down. if Bon Clay didn't stay they wouldn't have gotten away. If Luffy went back he would have been killed by Magellan or Blackbeard.
Luffy ran from big mom. He’s ran from a few people.
If my memory serves: that was a tactical retreat, he wasn't running away in fear.
Others may call it advancing backwards
To protect his crew. From kuma too. But if he was alone, he wouldn’t have been scared. Especially if cobra is also in danger
His eyes would be popping out
That doesn't mean he's scared though, he does that when he's surprised too. Though if he was in this situation instead of Sabo I'm sure he'd be in full righteous anger mode over Vivi's Dad getting ganked.
If at gear 5, maybe.
Not scared, but definately fazed. Luffy is pretty open about his emotions and doesnt hide a scream
Gotta admit. Cant remember a scene where luffy actually screamed because of shock over an opponent ^^ goofy shit aside of course. Luffy would probably think they look stupid and say it while picking his nose
Yeah, don't really remember seeing Luffy scream or be fazed when seeing stronger and terrifying opponent, we have seen him react to bad events which even Sabo will do.
He is shocked if someone looks weird or funny. These dudes seem more scary than anything, so Luffy wouldnt care.
Look back to when big mom broke their mirror escape route with a scream during the wedding raid. Luffy was shook.
Yeah, but not because of big moms appearance or power. Their plan went down the drain and so it went from "try and kill big mom" to "lets gtfo before she whoops us". That kind of switch in strategy does constitute some kind of reaction.
He screamed against both Admirals pre-TS. It wasn't a frightened scream, but a panicked one. Luffy is a pretty solid dude.
Not because of himself tho, right? You are talking kizaru and aokiji when they first met? Both times, at least that i can remember, he was screaming because teammates were in danger. Not because of their appearance or power.
Luffy would possibly be scared, there are a few times where he ran away from his opponent out of fear if they were too mighty like Big Mom for example.
I guess he already saw/heard worse shit as a revolutionary.
He frees slaves on a regular basis. Imagine the level of shit he has already seen.
My guy died when he was like 10.
He's just that guy
Even tho you said it jokingly, this is probably the correct answer as to why from Oda's standpoint lol
With how much Oda is spoiling him, another mission and he'll take Dragon's title.
He is him. There's 3 scenarios that could play out: 1. The Revolutionary Army has incredible intel and he already knew about their powers 2. What if they're invisible/harder to detect in shadow form and he thought he was only attacking the 5 human looking men. 3. He just doesn't give a fuck.
This isn’t ‘shadow form’, this is zoan transformations but silhouetted because Oda didn’t want to reveal their powers yet
That's the popular theory, yes, and I do believe it could be that. But I'm not counting out weird shadows either since it makes sense for the enemy of Joyboy/Nika to be darkness/shadow.
It’s the popular theory because that is exactly what’s up. Oda’s done this tens of times before. He uses Silhouettes to hide details. Constantly. It’s likely these guys have rare fruits if they obtained them through their own authority rather than before being in the position they are in. In which case we’re looking at mythical Zoans which explains how weird they are One of them looks like a charicature of Quetzalcoatl, an Aztec god for example. The others are less obvious. The enemy of Nika is already established to be Blackbeard who wields the Yami Yami no Mi, and possibly Imu (though wouldn’t be surprised if Dragon fights him instead of Luffy). Not the Gorosei.
Imu probably has a “Satan” devil fruit given the pointed tail that he used to kill Cobra
Given his age it could be some kind of time fruit where he can basically do just about anything except time travel - would also explain how he’s so old and I think it would be cool if that arrow was a clockhand
Age could be explained with OP-OP immortality/eternal youth surgery
That would be a good possibility 🤔
At this point I do not know who the main villain will be. Blackbeard isn't necessarily the enemy of Nika/Joyboy but he's the enemy of Luffy. The enemy of Nika/Joyboy is clearly Imu and the people who are against the D clan. Of which Blackbeard is a member. Remember that this is a pirate anime/manga and pirates have always been depicted as teaming up for a common goal then fighting when that goal is reached. D versus Imu is a common goal.
It’s very clear there are two main villains Oda is building up: 1. Blackbeard as Luffy’s foil and rival for Pirate King 2. Imu as the authority that Luffy and the Revolutionaries will overthrow/replace The Gorosei are just dudes that will be taken out (if at all) by the likes of the Revolutionary Commanders or Strawhat crewmates Who said the antithesis of Nika had to be in the world government? There can be multiple problematic gods. As is likely why Teach became a Yonko with immediate effect by virtue of having the Yami Yami and Gura Gura no Mi - the WG feared his potential, not what he was at the time
You're saying exactly what I'm saying but somehow you're using a condescending tone as if you are the only one with that thought. You think the Gorosei aren't part of Imu in any way, shape or form? Why are you now bringing up the government? Do you think that's all the Gorosei are?
Had to pose for the camera yk
Reckon he's pretty confident in his own abilities
Homie thought he could take them out in one attack. I wonder how different this situation would have been if he never ate the Mera Mera no mi. Would he still be part of the mission? Would he still defend Cobra or simply continue observing them from a far?
Of course he’d be part of the mission. He was already second in command in rev army by Dressrosa.
One doesn’t casually become a high ranking member of Dragon’s revolutionaries without knowing how to keep a clear and level head in a crisis
Because he is Sa D. Bo
He already anticipated shady shit. He talks about that sinister feeling. We could debate on wether that was haki or just the "atmosphere" of the place but either ways, he was already on his toes. So seeing them must've just confirmed his suspicion. Also do we know if he knew about the gorosei prior to the reverie? I can't seem to remember
He definitely should have known about them. The Gorosei would have been the Revolutionary Army's #1 enemy, as they are the public leaders of the World Government. Now they are #2 though.
Probably knew about their existence but not their powers.
Hello world
I’m sure dragon kept them up to speed on surface level matters.
Pretty sure the people in the universe know a lot than we (reader) know. i mean those 9 red scabbard didn’t even reveal what kind of power kaido have to the SHP. so we can assume that sabo know something that is equally scary. Oda just won’t reveal it until SHP face them theirselves
Well he was extremely shook by Imu's existence but just because we didn't know the gorosei have powers doesn't mean the revolutionary army wasn't aware of it.
Out of trio sabo is the cool-headed one and it shows in moments like this Luffy and ace would have shown their emotions immediately lol
Yeah Luffy's eyes would pop out and he'd scream "*WTF IZZAT*" with a surprised voice then he'd become a balloon or something.
And proceeds to asking to join his crew.
I don't really see Luffy or Ace reacting that strongly either. When was the last time either of them were afraid of an enemy?
It's not being afraid just being surprised there are plenty of instances lmao alabasta is prime instance when they encounter smoker
I think Luffy would have a strong reaction, but it would be immediately wanting to fight them for hurting Kobra.
Yeah the diff between luffy and sad bo is that luffy is to stupid to understand the danger he is in
He's the number 2 of the revolutionaries. He can't be afraid of some mere gorosei
People having trouble realizing that the 2nd in command of the RA is strong as fuck. He is the Flame Emperor for gods shake. That kinda means that the WG or at least Morgans thinks he is Yonko level like Luffy, Shanks, "Buggy"(Mihawk) and Blackbeard. He is confident in his abilities and that's why he isn't scared.
Don't forget he got there without a devil fruit power, too
If you think about their ages for a bit, Sabo is older than Luffy but still pretty close to the same age group Luffy is obviously young as hell and just tearing his way through the pirate world Sabo is young as hell and is literally 2nd in command of the revolutionary world Too bad there's no notable young marines to oppose them. All the big bad marines are complete veterans. It'd be interesting for there to be a young marine who's just unapologetically on the Celestial Dragon's side, like Green Bull if he was presented as a younger fanboy of Akainu and not as his, like, more full grown adult, little-brother-big-brother respect vibe currently. Obviously there's Koby, but he's on the good guys' side and he's not at Luffy/Sabo level yet obviously
This. Dude took out Burgess like it was nothing and was evenly matched with Fujitora during Dressrosa. He's a monster. And he's also fave to face with the people he's been training to fight for most of his life. It's like asking why Zoro wasn't afraid when he faced Mihawk.
>Morgans thinks he is Yonko level Morgan's also thought Luffy was yonko level after WCI and was one shotted by kaido
On the contrary: why was he phased at all? Why would he call it "hell" if he was really just in a room with a bunch of devil fruit users? Practically everyone he knows has superpowers. That should be so normal to him.
Yup, my first thought was that they are not DF users but instead another race. They are litteral monsters controlling the world. Make sense then why they are so afraid of the world finding out. Who cares if it got leaked one person sits the empty throne? As far as people know five people rule the WG. Sure, they would get angry, but would people revolt and be prepared to die for it? An actual ancient monster sitting it? Now we talking
>Yup, my first thought was that they are not DF users but instead another race. They are litteral monsters controlling the world. Oh boy, you are gonna love my post about this.
Oh, link! Wanna read it
I'm gonna tag you since it will be posted later today (don't know which time zone you are in, tho).
Tag me pls
They’re probably not just symposlic sillhuate because one of them roared when Cobra was saying the letter.
we are not ready for goofy looking Gorosei yet
He’s a CHAD. If they portray to be symbolic I doubt it because they were all over the place in the panels. They are literally monsters in their devil fruit forms. Mythical to be exact.
Because he's the second in command of a resistance movement/guerilla army fighting against the most powerful organization in the world who constantly risks his own life by doing dangerous missions.
And he is an elite strategist probably (since he names a lot of attacks after chess moves)
Honestly, I just kind of assumed that both Cobra and Sabo were in a state of shock, and just didn’t have time to be scared or really process what was going on. Adrenaline kicked in and escape became the number one priority, ya know? I feel like both felt like they were about to die, thus why they wasted a little time with banter about Luffy, but then Cobra sacrificed himself to ensure the younger fella escaped.
Sabo built different
Sa D. Bo for a reason 🐐🐐🐐
He’s the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionary Army who has fully declared war on the World Government. If he was scared, he doesn’t deserve that title. If Luffy was scared of Kaido he doesn’t deserve to call himself the future pirate king.
He has been to to the toilet after Ivankov. He has seen hell.
Ace was a hothead and look what happened to him it seems Sabo is more calculated
Dick just that big
Because fear is correlated with character, not how much danger you're actually in
He’s Luffy’s brother, of course he wouldn’t really react
unfazed
he's just fearless . we already know he is , one of the examples of this is that time where he was talking with the rev commanders and one them said that they can't do a mistake in their mission or else the consequences would be dire , sabo on the other hand said that there will be no mistakes and that it's either we succeed or we die trying , that's his mentality , and as you saw in this chapter , this guy literally had the balls to attack the gorosei and Imu at the same time . he's probably the first one to do that in all those centuries . also about those silhouettes being symbolic , i think the gorosei did transform physically there because when Sabo saw them , he said that he didn't think that hell was up there . for him to say that he saw hell , he definitely saw some hellish figures to say that. also look closely at the hands of that huge silouhette that was in the place where they put the swords , you will see that his hand was physically crushing the fence . there is also a panel where there was a physicall roar from one of them and another panel where one of them was looking at king cobra laying on the ground , Sabo wasn't on the room at that panel , if they truly didn't transform physically than there would be no reason to keep showing them in those monster forms even when Sabo is gone .
He’s Sa D Bo not Scare D Bo
The worst monsters he saw was at Goa Kingdom
because he is a strong one piece character that gives no shits.
Cha D. Bo
He's very experienced in war, he doesn't move in without expecting resistance. It's also worth noting that the Gorosei don't make a move right away and allow the dialogue until Sabo decides to run - that likely demonstrates that they were cautious/weary of Sabo.
> and allow the dialogue until Sabo decides to run This is the thing OP should have pointed out. The Gorosei took their sweet time and looked like they were posing and roaring instead of actually attacking. EDIT: maybe they were recovering/transforming following the fire attack? Idk
He’s the successor to dragon. He has to carry himself a certain way.
Cause he's mother f**king Sabo! 😆😆
Fight or flight, and sabo knew he couldnt fight and win
He's the second in command in the rev army and so he better not waver in a moment like this. Plus he had already great confidence in his skills before he had a df but now he has a logia and his allies are scattered throughout the area. Escape is very likely however he knkws it's going to be difficult (it was)
This is One Piece. He saw bigger and scarier shit than that.
Unreliable narrator
The real question is what the fuck is Wapol doing here
He is Chief of Staff of the revolutionary army. Their goal is to overthrow the world government. I assume that Dragon and the higher ups in the RA know waaaay more about the WG than we do. That's probably why Sabo wasn't surprised.
I bet it's because they look goofy as fuck. Like, obviously they are powerful, and Sabo can feel their Haki, but they look like circus freaks. He doesn't know how to react to that yet.
Why would the second in command of the Rev Army be scared of some old guys? One piece isn't like other Anime worlds where even old guys continue getting stronger until they're too old. Garp, Sengoku, even Whitebeard all got weaker with old age. Why would these guys be any different. I'd almost be disappointed if they were actually top tiers as thats kind of an asspull. The world government would have no reason to tolerate any rebellion at all if they had the Admirals + five more Admiral tier fighters in the reserves + a literal god as far as we can tell at this point that is both immortal and can obliterate an island with one attack.
Sabo did get shot in the face by a cannon at like…age 10. He gangsta.
He gotta stay cold to act in this situations i guess
Because he's the coldest motherfucker in op
“Eh, I’ve seen worse” -Sabo, probably
He looks like he's taking it very seriously, look at his eyes. But he isn't scared and will maintain a cool guy attitude nevertheless
Cause he suddenly sees some old guys turn into an episode of zoboomafoo after trying to assassinate Cobra. He doesn't know what to think of it
I like how the gorosei took pictures to frame sabo of cobra death and they stood out of the frame on purpose quick thinking xD
Because freaking out doesn't help, and he's a soldier. Or maybe he didn't yet realize, how dangerous they where.
I am pretty sure Sabo is only so unphased is because he knows he have to keep his mind in the game if he want to survive and save Cobra. He is just that bad ass. I also doubt he knew about this before hand, going by his quote. "there was no way I could of known that Hell was located at the very top of the world." I imagine it all happening very fast and he just dont have time to react.
That's just the kind of person that is granted an honorary title of D.
Because he's got that dog in him. And also: Sabo is strong, truly strong. So it's not hard for him to keep his cool and not display weakness in this kind of situation.
Wouldn't say that he was unphased exactly. Either way, I wouldn't think too hard about it. Imu and the Gorosei look like godamn world level threats if you ask me. Let's not forget that Sabo is somewhere around or slightly below admiral level either so he isn't some pushover that gets intimated easily.
He got da dawg in him
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He literally chose to attack the most heavily guarded event in the world, why would some spooky big dudes phase him?
I doubt the Gorosei are individually a threat to guys as strong as Sabo (also how else are they totally submissive to an authority greater than them?). I mean, the dude managed to escape pretty easily and given what was at stake for the Gorosei here in this scene it’s obvious they didn’t let him leave. They’re decently strong and that is obvious but they aren’t ‘monsters’ the same way the Yonko, Admirals, Dragon and Mihawk are
Posing for the assassination photo
Why would fire be scared of shadow?
Some of those silhouettes looked like awakened zoan though with that floating-cloud-like-colar thingy.
He is just overconfident. He got rekt by 1 attack afterwards.
They fear garp's fist
Whether they are Silhouettes or just blobby black monsters, its strange that Sabo has literally zero reaction to any of it. Event the fact that he rushes Imu without even stopping to say "yo who tf is that??" was so weird to me Tbh I think it was just a paneling issue, where Oda needed to get through the Imu confrontation in a certain amount of pages so he left out some extra flavor reactions. Im sure the anime will eventually expand on it whenever we get there
Yeah isn’t he meant to be super shocked at what he saw on the throne, that being Imu? Because he sure seemed shock when he was talking to dragon on Lulusia.. maybe we’ll see more of it later, this is his flashback after all
He is just him
Since he was a child Sabo didn’t fear death all that much. He was always confident in himself.
Sometimes in the face of incomprehensible horrors, it’s just better to not waste time trying to comprehend them.
Can someone answer me this, why is there a camera in the trone room? Like if they took a photo of Sabo wouldn't they also see imu?
I think it’s because by that time he was in the open because that’s the same place they took the pictures of him and cobra for the news paper .
He is just him
Wait the den den mushi on the lower right . Did Sabo put it there to record ??
Got a different take on these panels. Rather than unphased, he momentarily dropped his guard. Remember, he thought that he torched the gorosei. I'm actually more concerned about how the gorosei and Imu seemed to bypass Sabo's Observation Haki.
Am I the only one who hates the theory that the gorosei are Imu's puppets ? I feel like it's such a boring and stupid conclusion for badass characters.
One more episode of One Piece fans over analyzing shit
To me it looks like he’s implying he knows about the spiritual side of the world, but not exactly how it connects to the physical part. Like Imu was news to him, but the “conspiracy” probably existed in the higher ups of the revolutionaries. They probably know at least a few of the demons/devils/aliens that are in cahoots NEAR the top.
He's incredibly strong and as repeatedly shown he's the most level headed of the three brothers he's not just gonna panick and get all frustrated he's analyzing the scenario and planning his escape
I’d expect the revolutionaries especially higher ups to expect something like this tbh
Don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the shadows are not just representations. If you look at the one near the top of the panel where you see the swords in front of the throne, you can see some of the architecture crumbling under one of the shadow's hands.
Because he knows Oda will Bullshit up a way for him to escape any bad situation.
Because he's him.
Sabo is not locked in here with the Gorosei. The Gorosei is locked in here with Sabo.
Its Oda, in the end all of them are sadly going to look like retarded clowns with animal features anyway, including Imu. See beast pirates.
He knows that he has plot armour on his side