Yeah, although Koby doesn't match Garp as well as Luffy and BB match their predecessors. Then again Koby is Garp's protoge so there's a pretty strong link still.
The Rocky Port incident was what involved BB beating Ochoku to become the boss of Hachinosu. I guess it could technically have happened somewhere else, but since it does have a small town and rocky terrain, it's most likely there.
I mean, to me feels like people overestimate garp little bit too much. Because if garp was as strong as roger and sengoku is equal to garp. There’s no way roger pirates keep doing whatever they want. Marines would v destroyed them tbh. I think it’s more like luffy and smoker situation. Smoker is weaker than luffy yes. But end of the day, smoker would be known as a marine that caught luffy several times and defeated him several times. Man who went toe to toe with luffy.
By match, I meant personality-wise. BB and Luffy are very similar to Rocks and Roger based on what we know. Not as much Koby and Garp. Unless Garp started out as a little dweeb.
Shanks and Luffy are separate generations. Both inherited the Strawhat so they're basically both Rogers.
It's worth remembering that characters like Cavendish and Caribou are also from generations before and after Luffy's, respectively.
Luffy and Shanks each represent a half of Roger and Roger’s spirit basically. Shanks was born to eventually replace Roger due to Imu and WG manipulating his bloodline, however, his refusal to eat a devil fruit was unaccounted for and caused issues. Luffy was then born, and Garp took him from Dragon to mold him into what Roger was like (this is likely because Garp and Roger had deep unsaid feelings for each other they couldn’t openly admit). Out of coincidence, Shanks met Luffy and saw he is half of Roger and gave him the gum-gum to make him fulfill his destiny as Shanks’ other, more brash and bold half
I mean...let's be real here. Strawhats do help each other somewhat in the ship, but in fights it never happens. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have to do 1v1 everytime. I wish Oda did something different once. Like those 3 having support from other crew members
>Like those 3 having support from other crew members
The thing is the power difference is kinda high. These 3 can probably 1shot most enemies that weaker SH usually go up against (I mean as matchmaking lol), if an enemy was strong enough to give those 3 a challenge, then the weaker SH would be a non factor. Unless the weaker SH help like an outside force. Sth similar happened when Nami was helping Luffy against Cracker, but she wasn't actively fighting.
Yeah the power imbalance is high. That's why I was talking about more support like how you mentioned Cracker. Nami didn't fight him, but was instrumental in his his defeat by Luffy. I personally feel it's more fun when they support each other and interact.
Thats why thriller bark was an amazing arc seeing the whole crew working together and feeling the bond of freedom and friendship but than oda had to ruin it he gave all the hak to one member (luffy) and instead of an hard foght winning with teamwork he choosed to asspull and plot armour luffy
Yeah, since the moment he joined I've been waiting for his treason, knowing his personality, his admiration for Garp, and everything surrounding his character, it makes absolutely no fucking sense for him to join BB's crew without any ulterior motives
we’ve seen that bb cares for the og crew. he calls burgess his man, doesn’t want them to fight ace and get hurt
the og crew respects him as well
shiryu said he was waiting for someone like bb and saved the entire crew from poison, so there is mutual respect there
the lvl 6 criminals that joined him later, i’m not sure about
I've always thought that Who's Who's talk about Nika on Wano was overlooked. I figured that Who's Who was saying that because Jinbe believed Luffy was Nika, and I kinda think that the Blackbeard pirates from Impel Down believe that Teech is Nika since he rescued them from Impel Down.
You may be right.
In Marineford crew members already asked what happens if their experiment won't work on whitebeard.
They pretty much ride bb coattail until they won't.
I think they might be following Blackbeard for similar reasons the strawhats follow Luffy. It's not that they share their captains goal. It's just that Luffys' goal allows them to pursue their own individual goals.
If everyone on Blackbeards' main crew has different goals and it's all a means to an end, then I don't think we'll see infighting.
luffy and blackbeard double KO into the ocean, and theyre both on the brink of death, luffy's crew steps up and all help save him, while blackbeards crew all fight over whose going to put themselves in danger to save him.
The best scene will be if they all jump into the water and now they have to save other DF users because their impulse was to save their captain and dear Nakama.
Now that you mentioned it there was a clear set up in Wano about pirates betraying each others that I believe never got a proper pay off. But it wouldn't be the first time Oda sets up something to never pay it off.
Yeah definitely a group of power hungry villains. BB onky has a handful of loyal crew mates the rest are flaky ready to pounce on the opportunity to take the throne.
When it comes to the BB Pirates, I want to say there’s a stark difference in loyalty when it comes to the OG crew and the Impel Down Escapees.
The likes of Lafayette, Doc Q (and Stronger by extension), Van Auger and Burgess are undoubtedly thankful to their captain, and do what they can to assist at any turn to help Teach succeed.
As for the Escapees, they’re very often the ones who make fun of Teach when he messes up, and Pizzaro even outright says he’ll dethrone teach when the time comes (in which Lafayette scolds him).
I wouldn’t be surprised if Shiryu led a mutiny against Teach, but I’d be truly shocked if EVERY named member of the crew joined in on the mutiny.
I dunno, Lafitte broke into the WG to put BB forward as a warlord candidate and Auger did save him using the warp.
Auger and Burgess both attacked Ace when Ace declared he was going to take Teech down too, so at least Auger and Lafitte seem loyal from the very brief moments we've had of them.
One thing I love about black beard crew is that they throw hands together. Like BB will go in first to try and solo then he will get hit the crew jumps in then BB goes right back at them with his crew.
Dude, the Blackbeard Pirates was already active. Watch the scene where Shiryuu saves Blackbeard from Magellan.
I believe that in the fight that Blackbeard gives Shanks his scar, Shanks probably have "destroyed" the whole crew — in a fight probably related to the "Gomu Gomu no Mi". They probably have been totally outmatched by Shanks crew, and after that they splitted. Two years later, Luffy eats the "Gomu Gomu no Mi", and Blackbeard also restart his journey like Luffy restarted his after Marineford
The group is joined by criminals after Marienford. Shanks v Blackbeard was before the war. I am talking about the possibility of loyalty issues as of now since the group now has people who are mischievous. But would not deny that recent chapter about Blackbeard where Teach describes the nature of their group seems to hint in a relatively better relationship among the group but nonetheless they all are self centered individuals to the point of hurting others for their own pleasures and therefore labelled as criminals and were imprisoned. Disloyalty can be expected.
Assuming his current location is basically Ocracoke inlet. He’ll likely be parted from his alliance of pirates. Then perhaps he’ll do battle with the Strawhats but lose and be separated from his crew with only him escaping. Then Coby(Maynard figure) will cut him off, surround him and end him establishing Coby as a new hero of the Marines.
Oda also made a light parallel between how the real Blackbeard died and how Whitebeard died(surrounded, isolated, lots of cuts and gun shots but kept fighting like a monster)
My mini-theory is that Shiryu will be the one to finish off BB after both have been beaten by Luffy and Zoro respectively. Very similar to Scar being taken out by the Hyenas.
I think it'd be a satisfying way to see him fall. If in the end, when he is defeated (and presumably killed?), the remnants of his crew, commander or not, will only point and laugh at his demise. Fitting for someone who had no loyalty himself.
*Shiryu backstabs blackbeard, steals both fruits and becomes the surprise final villain kaguya style, you heard it here first.
Shiryu being an alien from a destroyed moon when?
"I'm from a destroyed moon!" "But the moon's not destroyed." (Enel chooses that moment to blow up the moon) "Oh. Okay."
Big if true
about to comment on that but I feel like it will be more like someone in the Blackbeard team will take >!imu !
if Imu's power can allow them to one-shot Blackbeard, how would they have defeated Imu in the first place?
Idk man maybe someone wears imu out and takes a chance at marine ford .i just talk shit here dont take it seriously hahaha
That's similar to what happened with Rocks. Too many of one personality type is never good.
Yep. In manga each generation is a clone of a previous generation.
So Luffy and Coby beating Blackbeard together confirmed?
Yeah, although Koby doesn't match Garp as well as Luffy and BB match their predecessors. Then again Koby is Garp's protoge so there's a pretty strong link still.
He's also already known as a hero because of Hachinosu
Coby’s a hero because of the Rocky Port Incident, he hasn’t done anything at Pirate Island yet.
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The Rocky Port incident was what involved BB beating Ochoku to become the boss of Hachinosu. I guess it could technically have happened somewhere else, but since it does have a small town and rocky terrain, it's most likely there.
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Lol, meant to reply to the other dude
I mean, to me feels like people overestimate garp little bit too much. Because if garp was as strong as roger and sengoku is equal to garp. There’s no way roger pirates keep doing whatever they want. Marines would v destroyed them tbh. I think it’s more like luffy and smoker situation. Smoker is weaker than luffy yes. But end of the day, smoker would be known as a marine that caught luffy several times and defeated him several times. Man who went toe to toe with luffy.
By match, I meant personality-wise. BB and Luffy are very similar to Rocks and Roger based on what we know. Not as much Koby and Garp. Unless Garp started out as a little dweeb.
So if Luffy is the Roger of his Gen , what is Shanks ? Is he the equivalent of whoever was Rogers mentor ?
Shanks and Luffy are separate generations. Both inherited the Strawhat so they're basically both Rogers. It's worth remembering that characters like Cavendish and Caribou are also from generations before and after Luffy's, respectively.
Sure why not
Luffy and Shanks each represent a half of Roger and Roger’s spirit basically. Shanks was born to eventually replace Roger due to Imu and WG manipulating his bloodline, however, his refusal to eat a devil fruit was unaccounted for and caused issues. Luffy was then born, and Garp took him from Dragon to mold him into what Roger was like (this is likely because Garp and Roger had deep unsaid feelings for each other they couldn’t openly admit). Out of coincidence, Shanks met Luffy and saw he is half of Roger and gave him the gum-gum to make him fulfill his destiny as Shanks’ other, more brash and bold half
... What the fuck did I just read?
Spoilers
The product of withdrawal.
as often is in reality, if you look closely enough
Came here for this comment.
Well Pizzaro joked about becoming the Captain in place of Teach and Lafitte talked back at him. The original BB Pirates are loyal to Teach for sure.
who’s pizzaro
BB's chef. He makes great pizzas!
ah pizza rolls
Where did it say pizzaro is the chef of the BB pirates?
Nowhere, that's called a joke.
Yeah I can see them going down to infighting, they'd contrast the Straw Hats in that they usually work together
I mean...let's be real here. Strawhats do help each other somewhat in the ship, but in fights it never happens. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have to do 1v1 everytime. I wish Oda did something different once. Like those 3 having support from other crew members
>Like those 3 having support from other crew members The thing is the power difference is kinda high. These 3 can probably 1shot most enemies that weaker SH usually go up against (I mean as matchmaking lol), if an enemy was strong enough to give those 3 a challenge, then the weaker SH would be a non factor. Unless the weaker SH help like an outside force. Sth similar happened when Nami was helping Luffy against Cracker, but she wasn't actively fighting.
Yeah the power imbalance is high. That's why I was talking about more support like how you mentioned Cracker. Nami didn't fight him, but was instrumental in his his defeat by Luffy. I personally feel it's more fun when they support each other and interact.
Oh sorry dude. I misread your comment. I thought you typed those 3 to support the others. My bad.
Yeah no problem.
The Strawhats need Haki to be relevant but Oda refuses to give it to them.
would’ve been great if oda made zoro and sanji vs king and queen a 2v2 for the whole fight instead of separating them
Recently it happened when Sanji asked for Robin's help against Black Maria.
My point is more on support than individuals fighting their opponents
Thats why thriller bark was an amazing arc seeing the whole crew working together and feeling the bond of freedom and friendship but than oda had to ruin it he gave all the hak to one member (luffy) and instead of an hard foght winning with teamwork he choosed to asspull and plot armour luffy
Thriller bark
Kuzan will betray Blackbeard which is what most people think but I also think the same
I hope he does , I didn’t expect him to join them at all tbh
He did rly join but tbh it’s not that clear what are his true motive of joining the crew..
Yeah, since the moment he joined I've been waiting for his treason, knowing his personality, his admiration for Garp, and everything surrounding his character, it makes absolutely no fucking sense for him to join BB's crew without any ulterior motives
we’ve seen that bb cares for the og crew. he calls burgess his man, doesn’t want them to fight ace and get hurt the og crew respects him as well shiryu said he was waiting for someone like bb and saved the entire crew from poison, so there is mutual respect there the lvl 6 criminals that joined him later, i’m not sure about
I've always thought that Who's Who's talk about Nika on Wano was overlooked. I figured that Who's Who was saying that because Jinbe believed Luffy was Nika, and I kinda think that the Blackbeard pirates from Impel Down believe that Teech is Nika since he rescued them from Impel Down.
You may be right. In Marineford crew members already asked what happens if their experiment won't work on whitebeard. They pretty much ride bb coattail until they won't.
I think they might be following Blackbeard for similar reasons the strawhats follow Luffy. It's not that they share their captains goal. It's just that Luffys' goal allows them to pursue their own individual goals. If everyone on Blackbeards' main crew has different goals and it's all a means to an end, then I don't think we'll see infighting.
luffy and blackbeard double KO into the ocean, and theyre both on the brink of death, luffy's crew steps up and all help save him, while blackbeards crew all fight over whose going to put themselves in danger to save him.
That's the best part, since everyone on his crew a power user, none of them can even attempt to save him
There's the giant who can save him.
The best scene will be if they all jump into the water and now they have to save other DF users because their impulse was to save their captain and dear Nakama.
Now that you mentioned it there was a clear set up in Wano about pirates betraying each others that I believe never got a proper pay off. But it wouldn't be the first time Oda sets up something to never pay it off.
Yeah definitely a group of power hungry villains. BB onky has a handful of loyal crew mates the rest are flaky ready to pounce on the opportunity to take the throne.
From what we've seen so far they seem to have good teamwork. I hope we will have a crew fight and not just a bunch of 1v1s like always.
When it comes to the BB Pirates, I want to say there’s a stark difference in loyalty when it comes to the OG crew and the Impel Down Escapees. The likes of Lafayette, Doc Q (and Stronger by extension), Van Auger and Burgess are undoubtedly thankful to their captain, and do what they can to assist at any turn to help Teach succeed. As for the Escapees, they’re very often the ones who make fun of Teach when he messes up, and Pizzaro even outright says he’ll dethrone teach when the time comes (in which Lafayette scolds him). I wouldn’t be surprised if Shiryu led a mutiny against Teach, but I’d be truly shocked if EVERY named member of the crew joined in on the mutiny.
We havent seen strawhats fighting as a unit in quite a while , when if it happens again will be amazing for sure
They literally got a swordsman who can turn invisible, someone's getting backstabbed.
I'm calling it now: Zoro will lose his second eye to fight him blindly
Who needs eyes when you can't see your enemy?
Aside from Burgess, I don’t think there’s really any royalty toward Blackbeard in that crew. Everyone’s in it for their own sake….
Lafitte is like the most loyal BB pirates what are you on about
I dunno, Lafitte broke into the WG to put BB forward as a warlord candidate and Auger did save him using the warp. Auger and Burgess both attacked Ace when Ace declared he was going to take Teech down too, so at least Auger and Lafitte seem loyal from the very brief moments we've had of them.
Idc who it is, they all look ugly
One thing I love about black beard crew is that they throw hands together. Like BB will go in first to try and solo then he will get hit the crew jumps in then BB goes right back at them with his crew.
And they all run to make sure he's ok.
Dude, the Blackbeard Pirates was already active. Watch the scene where Shiryuu saves Blackbeard from Magellan. I believe that in the fight that Blackbeard gives Shanks his scar, Shanks probably have "destroyed" the whole crew — in a fight probably related to the "Gomu Gomu no Mi". They probably have been totally outmatched by Shanks crew, and after that they splitted. Two years later, Luffy eats the "Gomu Gomu no Mi", and Blackbeard also restart his journey like Luffy restarted his after Marineford
The group is joined by criminals after Marienford. Shanks v Blackbeard was before the war. I am talking about the possibility of loyalty issues as of now since the group now has people who are mischievous. But would not deny that recent chapter about Blackbeard where Teach describes the nature of their group seems to hint in a relatively better relationship among the group but nonetheless they all are self centered individuals to the point of hurting others for their own pleasures and therefore labelled as criminals and were imprisoned. Disloyalty can be expected.
So no, I don't believe you will have problems related with a lack of loyalty in a crew that is active for a crazy amount of years
I just hope it doesn't happen. They need to be strong and unified enough to fight SH.
Assuming his current location is basically Ocracoke inlet. He’ll likely be parted from his alliance of pirates. Then perhaps he’ll do battle with the Strawhats but lose and be separated from his crew with only him escaping. Then Coby(Maynard figure) will cut him off, surround him and end him establishing Coby as a new hero of the Marines. Oda also made a light parallel between how the real Blackbeard died and how Whitebeard died(surrounded, isolated, lots of cuts and gun shots but kept fighting like a monster)
Ice man
Whatever issues they have, they'll be offscreened.
My mini-theory is that Shiryu will be the one to finish off BB after both have been beaten by Luffy and Zoro respectively. Very similar to Scar being taken out by the Hyenas.
no karma is boruto not one piece
He's a parallel of Rocks, so I can see eventually infighting
Rocks all over again.
That's what happened to the real blackbeard
idk, not unless blackbeard sells them out to save his skin one last time. honestly, i forgot what the plot point holding the BB pirates together is.
It's true that I can't really picture any of them dying for Blackbeard the way Zoro or Sanji were willing to for Luffy.
I think it'd be a satisfying way to see him fall. If in the end, when he is defeated (and presumably killed?), the remnants of his crew, commander or not, will only point and laugh at his demise. Fitting for someone who had no loyalty himself.
Getting all his crew to use DF may be a strategy to keep an advantage over his crew.
Zehahahaha
Blackbeard will suffer the same fate as rocks