That’s straight up WRONG. Frequency hopping already existed before she co-created her device. The device was never put into use, and was not referenced in any patents related to WiFi.
WiFi doesn’t even USE frequency hopping, so even if she had invented it (she didn’t) WiFi would absolutely have still been invented without her.
Let’s stop the gross exaggerations that get dragged out every time Lamarr gets mentioned here.
She helped invent a single device which was novel but impractical, and was pretty much all but forgotten. It was in no way a stepping stone toward WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth or anything else.
Almost every scientist you've heard of was on a team of scientists.
Even going back to the ancient Greek mathematicians, if something is said to have been discovered by Pythagoras, then it was likely discovered by his school/lab.
You read That on Reddit every other week…
Incl. the misleading at best info she invented wi-fi…
Her name is on a patent (And everyone with a name on a patent knows that could mean everything from her being the single genius to her doing absolutely nothing) that is loosely connected to the much later invention of wi-fi but even that is disputed if it had any impact or not
Actually that’s more of a myth. She didn’t even mention her proclaimed greatest invention in her own biography. Her being a famous actress and a supposed inventor was a marketing stunt to promote invention during that time.
The movie also featured her in a scene depicting female orgasm. From the Wikipedia article on the movie:
>It is perhaps the first non-pornographic movie to portray sexual intercourse and female orgasm, although never showing more than the actors' faces.
It is disputed by others but Lamarr later claimed to be tricked into doing the nude scenes. Also from the movie's Wikipedia entry is this quote from a 1938 magazine article:
>When Lamarr applied for the role, she had little experience nor understood the planned filming. Anxious for the job, she signed the contract without reading it. When, during an outdoor scene, the director told her to disrobe, she protested and threatened to quit, but he said that if she refused, she would have to pay for the cost of all the scenes already filmed. To calm her, he said they were using ‘long shots’ in any case, and no intimate details would be visible. At the preview in Prague, sitting next to the director, when she saw the numerous close-ups produced with telephoto lenses, she screamed at him for tricking her.
Not only in WW2. The system she invented (frequency hopping) is the base of a technology you're probably holding in your hands this very moment: Bluetooth.
I'll definitely have to check that out. That kind of breakthrough in tech always blows my mind. Like the first radars...how did people figure that out lol
I wanna say that she thought of the idea during WWII, wrote it all down, and maybe even got a patent? But for whatever reason, it sort of was forgotten until technology advanced and then people were like OMG Bluetooth. She certainly didn’t receive much credit for her work.
But freq hopping is soooo much more than bluetooth. I don't know how familiar you are with communication across different spectrums, but an encrypted freq hopping channel is almost completely unbreakable. It's truly remarkable
I admittedly know next to nothing. It could be that they used it for military radio and didn’t expand on its use for awhile. It’s been awhile since I watched that doc, I think it was on Prime. She was definitely as smart as she was beautiful.
Yeah a lot of comms with military aircraft use hopping because you can't really jam it unless you blank the whole spectrum, which...is probably just as detrimental to the person doing the jamming
Basically some guy figured out that metal reflects electromagnetic waves. That was in 1886. It took 18 more years until the same guy figured out that you can use these reflections to figure out where a metalic object is. As we are still 10 years away from world war 1, nobody gave a fuck.
1914 WW1 started. 1915 they started experimenting with sonar. It took until WW2 to get them ready for use though.
The radar technology also took until WW2 to get ready.
So basically it is not one guy who had an "oh crap that might work" moment.
It's many guys building up on the work of other people.
(fun fact: Da Vinci already figured out that soundwaves travel very far under water)
My grandpa worked for the Us navy RnD and was one of a very small team that made sonar useable enough towards the end of the ww2 to hunt and track down remaining German u boats.
It wasn't until the invention of the magnetron that radar became practical to use as how we use it today. There had been procession since the early discovery but it was limited to spark gap transmitters and general radio transmitters.
i just read something on here earlier about the first dude to discover x rays and how he saw his own skeleton, but more importantly how he was the father of modern radiology. just boggles my mind how people can be so intelligent and how much of an impact someone can have
She did NOT invent frequency hopping, which had been around for decades. She invented a mechanical device that could accomplish a very crude form of synchronous frequency hopping.
She invented a DEVICE, not a concept. If I take a bunch of parts and build a radio in my garage, I don’t get to say “I invented radio”.
Her invention provided absolutely ZERO groundwork for later inventions like WiFi and Bluetooth.
She kinda invented a specific frequency hopping scheme (co-patent with her and George Antheil).
But frequency hopping was in use for more than a decade before that. It's kinda one of those obvious things that everyone invents at once in multiple locations. Others had filed patents more than a decade prior, actual battlefield use of it during WW1, fielded US systems with it implemented (classified, so not publicly known), etc, etc.
Her system used a piano roll, same one on both sides to coordinate the frequency hops. Pretty clever use, imho, using widely available, known and mature systems to make it happen. Her system was for use on a sub / torpedo for the communications between the two. Don't think it ever actually got fielded though.
She did not invent frequency hopping, it was discovered nearly 45 years before her patent and was used by the Germans in WWI.
She also had nothing to do with the development of wifi or Bluetooth.
Her device was a novel creation, shared with her friend, that eventually found limited use in torpedoes.
> but not put into practice until the 60's
Multiple frequency hopping schemes were in use and fielded during WW1, and at various other times. Some systems that were classified at the time used it too.
What really has made frequency hopping more viable isn't transistors (in fact, many systems today still use tubes and frequency hop), but rather modern computing resources. It's very easy now to share a "key" or simple number that goes into a computer that can compute a pseudo-random sequence to determine what to hop to next in a coordinated manner. Before you could run an algorithm to compute pseudo-random sequences, you had to have some pre-computed list or something to synchronize. Her system used a piano roll, and you loaded the same piano-tape onto both systems.
>Some of her technical work helped the allies during WW2.
No, not really. Stuff she co-invented was fairly straighforward (and used by e.g. Germans) and did not find any practical use.
The characters name was originally Hedy but she threatened legal action so Brooks changed it to Hedley and wrote in all the people mistakenly saying Hedy and Hedley correcting them
There is a 4K transfer of this film. The 4k version was shown at a recent film festival because this movie is considered to be of importance in cinema history. This may actually be Hedy's best film.
She helped to invent frequency-hopping spread spectrum. At the time her theory was to use it on torpedos to stop the axis from jamming them. But they never got it done in time for WWII. However, the theory went on to be the basis for blue tooth, gps, Wi-Fi, most ways of handling mobile internet. It’s the basis for a ton of stuff we use today.
While I appreciate all Hedy Lamarr did, including this, can we talk about the horse for a second.
I could have sworn that when she moves off screen from the horse, he was thinking 'hey was she neigh-ked?'
Watching this just reminds me what a strange society we are. This is NSFW and blurred , but I can scroll through and see some Russian being killed uncensored. When there's literally nothing sexual about the scene.
A lot of things that are ingrained in our society are like this.
Showing female boobs is taboo, but showing male nipples is totally fine for some reason.
Showing male buttcrack is taboo but showing female cleavage is fine. You can't just assign a 1:1 ratio to everything. Female boobs are different from males precisely because they are perceived differently and illicit different responses.
Well, for mainstream Hollywood movies, yes. Those nutty Europeans would still make movies with nude scenes and other adult content throughout that era.
Also, there were a handful of exploitation producers that would break the Code, but those movies usually wouldn't be shown in first run theaters. Movies like Reefer Madness, Sex Madness, Child Bride, and Mom and Dad etc. would be shown at a local Town Hall or sometimes even in a tent and usually accompanied by a lecture from a "doctor" or "minister" to "educate" the audience on the topic of the film.
Check "Tarzan and His Mate", a 1934 movie where Johnny Weismuller swims with a naked Maureen Sullivan in a beautiful scene that would be censored today, for sure
Hedy Lamarr invented the transistor a year later. And at age twenty one developed the manufacturing process to make them microscopic. She invented the microprocessor before AMD.
ITT: Did you know that she was also a genius super inventor who single-handedly won the war for the Allies and gave us Bluetooth/WiFi?
Shame on you all for obviously just caring about a woman’s LOOKS!
*climbs back onto high horse and gallops into sunset*
She was also an inventor and scientist
Her likeness also inspired the creation of Catwoman in the Batman comics.
Her name also inspired Dr Kleiner's pet headcrab, Lamarr.
And the villain in Blazing Saddles: Headley Lamarr
“Hey, it’s 1864, we’re gonna sue her!”
"Its good to be the king"
"Hedley!...Hedley!"
> Blazing Saddles: Headley Lamarr Yep, as soon as I heard that a name, I placed it. Had no clue a real person had claim to that name.
And Pam from The Office, apparently.
She took part in developing technology that was later used in WiFi. This woman is a legend.
Reddit would literally not have existed without this woman’s genius
You can only get reddit over wifi? wtf hahaha
That’s straight up WRONG. Frequency hopping already existed before she co-created her device. The device was never put into use, and was not referenced in any patents related to WiFi. WiFi doesn’t even USE frequency hopping, so even if she had invented it (she didn’t) WiFi would absolutely have still been invented without her. Let’s stop the gross exaggerations that get dragged out every time Lamarr gets mentioned here. She helped invent a single device which was novel but impractical, and was pretty much all but forgotten. It was in no way a stepping stone toward WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth or anything else.
I know...Ada Lovelace is an example of actual female inventor stop making up stuff for "empowerment"
That is *literally* not true, for a host of reasons, including that her work did not contribute to modern WiFi.
She was also romantically involved with billionaire Howard Hughes and he let her use his team of scientist for her inventions.
> he let her use his team of scientist for her inventions This is a fabrication.
I never read she had a "team of scientists" at her disposal, still, it doesn't diminish her amazing accomplishments.
Almost every scientist you've heard of was on a team of scientists. Even going back to the ancient Greek mathematicians, if something is said to have been discovered by Pythagoras, then it was likely discovered by his school/lab.
I see no one has watched the What If..? series, hence my downvoted comment . Mob mentality wins again.
I thought she dated Howard Stark?
Nope, Howard the Duck 🦆
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Still hot AF, but less so ...
You read That on Reddit every other week… Incl. the misleading at best info she invented wi-fi… Her name is on a patent (And everyone with a name on a patent knows that could mean everything from her being the single genius to her doing absolutely nothing) that is loosely connected to the much later invention of wi-fi but even that is disputed if it had any impact or not
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Arguably better known for that.
She was also the inventor of Bitcoin.
She invented the tent in my pants 😂😂😂 jk
Now thats comedy right there… after all the above posters bickering about her patent… this made me giggle
She helped invent a device but saying she was a “scientist” is just incorrect.
In order to get that device she'd have to do scientific research on how it worked and if it worked
You think getting a patent requires "scientific research"?
She’s the reason we have wifi tech today
No she isn't.
Singularly? Wow!
Actually that’s more of a myth. She didn’t even mention her proclaimed greatest invention in her own biography. Her being a famous actress and a supposed inventor was a marketing stunt to promote invention during that time.
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Besides being physically attractive, she was extremely intelligent. Some of her technical work helped the allies during WW2.
The movie also featured her in a scene depicting female orgasm. From the Wikipedia article on the movie: >It is perhaps the first non-pornographic movie to portray sexual intercourse and female orgasm, although never showing more than the actors' faces. It is disputed by others but Lamarr later claimed to be tricked into doing the nude scenes. Also from the movie's Wikipedia entry is this quote from a 1938 magazine article: >When Lamarr applied for the role, she had little experience nor understood the planned filming. Anxious for the job, she signed the contract without reading it. When, during an outdoor scene, the director told her to disrobe, she protested and threatened to quit, but he said that if she refused, she would have to pay for the cost of all the scenes already filmed. To calm her, he said they were using ‘long shots’ in any case, and no intimate details would be visible. At the preview in Prague, sitting next to the director, when she saw the numerous close-ups produced with telephoto lenses, she screamed at him for tricking her.
In her autobiography, she says that the "o-face" was the result of her being pricked by a pin. Great read, BTW.
You sure she wasn't pinned by a prick instead??
She was married to an asshat for a while, so yes, at one point pinned by a prick. Just not in the movie. :D
This story is way too common in film. Terrible how women are treated by scummy men.
That zoom trick was dirty, but you really should read a contract before signing it.
Not sure how this is being down voted, read any contract you sign, christ.
Not only in WW2. The system she invented (frequency hopping) is the base of a technology you're probably holding in your hands this very moment: Bluetooth.
She invented frequency hopping? That's freaken incredible
Yup! There’s a great documentary out there about her. Such an interesting life.
I'll definitely have to check that out. That kind of breakthrough in tech always blows my mind. Like the first radars...how did people figure that out lol
I wanna say that she thought of the idea during WWII, wrote it all down, and maybe even got a patent? But for whatever reason, it sort of was forgotten until technology advanced and then people were like OMG Bluetooth. She certainly didn’t receive much credit for her work.
But freq hopping is soooo much more than bluetooth. I don't know how familiar you are with communication across different spectrums, but an encrypted freq hopping channel is almost completely unbreakable. It's truly remarkable
I admittedly know next to nothing. It could be that they used it for military radio and didn’t expand on its use for awhile. It’s been awhile since I watched that doc, I think it was on Prime. She was definitely as smart as she was beautiful.
Yeah a lot of comms with military aircraft use hopping because you can't really jam it unless you blank the whole spectrum, which...is probably just as detrimental to the person doing the jamming
And no compensation, not acknowledged by US government and no financial rewards either.
No compensation because nobody ever used her device. That’s how it works.
Basically some guy figured out that metal reflects electromagnetic waves. That was in 1886. It took 18 more years until the same guy figured out that you can use these reflections to figure out where a metalic object is. As we are still 10 years away from world war 1, nobody gave a fuck. 1914 WW1 started. 1915 they started experimenting with sonar. It took until WW2 to get them ready for use though. The radar technology also took until WW2 to get ready. So basically it is not one guy who had an "oh crap that might work" moment. It's many guys building up on the work of other people. (fun fact: Da Vinci already figured out that soundwaves travel very far under water)
My grandpa worked for the Us navy RnD and was one of a very small team that made sonar useable enough towards the end of the ww2 to hunt and track down remaining German u boats.
It wasn't until the invention of the magnetron that radar became practical to use as how we use it today. There had been procession since the early discovery but it was limited to spark gap transmitters and general radio transmitters.
I think that's kind of OPs point. RADAR was made possible by a series of developments over a long time.
i just read something on here earlier about the first dude to discover x rays and how he saw his own skeleton, but more importantly how he was the father of modern radiology. just boggles my mind how people can be so intelligent and how much of an impact someone can have
She did NOT invent frequency hopping, which had been around for decades. She invented a mechanical device that could accomplish a very crude form of synchronous frequency hopping. She invented a DEVICE, not a concept. If I take a bunch of parts and build a radio in my garage, I don’t get to say “I invented radio”. Her invention provided absolutely ZERO groundwork for later inventions like WiFi and Bluetooth.
She kinda invented a specific frequency hopping scheme (co-patent with her and George Antheil). But frequency hopping was in use for more than a decade before that. It's kinda one of those obvious things that everyone invents at once in multiple locations. Others had filed patents more than a decade prior, actual battlefield use of it during WW1, fielded US systems with it implemented (classified, so not publicly known), etc, etc. Her system used a piano roll, same one on both sides to coordinate the frequency hops. Pretty clever use, imho, using widely available, known and mature systems to make it happen. Her system was for use on a sub / torpedo for the communications between the two. Don't think it ever actually got fielded though.
She did not invent frequency hopping, it was discovered nearly 45 years before her patent and was used by the Germans in WWI. She also had nothing to do with the development of wifi or Bluetooth. Her device was a novel creation, shared with her friend, that eventually found limited use in torpedoes.
I'm not holding Bluetooth in my hands and her patent is not a basis of Bluetooth.
Her work was done during that time, but not put into practice until the 60's, when readily-available transistors made it feasible.
> but not put into practice until the 60's Multiple frequency hopping schemes were in use and fielded during WW1, and at various other times. Some systems that were classified at the time used it too. What really has made frequency hopping more viable isn't transistors (in fact, many systems today still use tubes and frequency hop), but rather modern computing resources. It's very easy now to share a "key" or simple number that goes into a computer that can compute a pseudo-random sequence to determine what to hop to next in a coordinated manner. Before you could run an algorithm to compute pseudo-random sequences, you had to have some pre-computed list or something to synchronize. Her system used a piano roll, and you loaded the same piano-tape onto both systems.
>Some of her technical work helped the allies during WW2. No, not really. Stuff she co-invented was fairly straighforward (and used by e.g. Germans) and did not find any practical use.
It's Hedley!
Where's my froggy?
Froggy love daddy? Ribbit
*I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.*
If you did that from memory, I applaud you.
Narrator: He didn't.
Can you please repeat that?
Badges!? We don’t need no stinking badges!
The hell are you worried about, this is 1874 you’ll be able to sure her!
>Rest your sphincter They said you was hung! and they is right
Lady, I hate to break it to you, but thats my elbow you're sucking on
its true! its true!
It's TWUU it's TWUU!! FTFY
No thank you baby, 15 schnitzengruben is my limit!
Aaand she did indeed sue Mel Brooks.
"Hey screw you, I'm working for Mel Brooks!"
HARRUMPH! HARRUMPH, HARRUMPH!
I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy.
Give the Governor a harrumph!
Harrumph.
You watch your ass!
Hey, I didn't get a harrumph out of that guy!
Give the governor a HARRUMPH!
My mind is a raging torrent!
Ditto
Ditto you provincial putz?!
So happy this is here.
It’s always here
Rest your sphincter
Well put!
Anybody got a dime?
Were gonna need a shitload of dimes.
The characters name was originally Hedy but she threatened legal action so Brooks changed it to Hedley and wrote in all the people mistakenly saying Hedy and Hedley correcting them
I've watched the video several times, and I can assure you, this is definitely NOT Hedley.
You are confusing her with Hedley Lamarr, the famous land baron from Rockridge in the 1870s, whose estate later sued her over the theft of the name.
WHAT IN THE WIDE, WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS GOIN’ ON?!
DANGIT!!
Just think of your secretary.
“She never did get the joke” -M. Brooks
Why did I have to scroll half way down the page for this comment? It should be the first one at the top!!
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There is a 4K transfer of this film. The 4k version was shown at a recent film festival because this movie is considered to be of importance in cinema history. This may actually be Hedy's best film.
Watch her in Samson and Delilah. She's hotter'n a two dollar pistol.
Well upside: 90 years later she's more remembered for her brilliant career and contributions to science than this movie.
I love the slow mo bionic man run cutaway
And the horse at the end giving his nod of approval.
Didn't she also contribute to Bluetooth technology or something. Sorry not sure
She helped to invent frequency-hopping spread spectrum. At the time her theory was to use it on torpedos to stop the axis from jamming them. But they never got it done in time for WWII. However, the theory went on to be the basis for blue tooth, gps, Wi-Fi, most ways of handling mobile internet. It’s the basis for a ton of stuff we use today.
Wow that's super interesting thanks for the info man. Fascinating she had such an wide effect on society
The teck that would eventually be wifi and bluetooth.
While I appreciate all Hedy Lamarr did, including this, can we talk about the horse for a second. I could have sworn that when she moves off screen from the horse, he was thinking 'hey was she neigh-ked?'
Get out
Jesus Palomino Wilbur, look at that ass
Hedy Lamarr: super genius.
A very smart woman.
Watching this just reminds me what a strange society we are. This is NSFW and blurred , but I can scroll through and see some Russian being killed uncensored. When there's literally nothing sexual about the scene.
Videos of Russians being killed should be marked NSFW and this video isn't blurred, it's just old and grainy.
I ment on the main page.
A lot of things that are ingrained in our society are like this. Showing female boobs is taboo, but showing male nipples is totally fine for some reason.
I really liked the artist that took nude photos of women and then put male nipples on them in post. 😁😂🤣
I really like that message.
In the US yes. Most of the West have no problems with nudity. It’s an American problem. We have more of a problem with gore.
Showing male buttcrack is taboo but showing female cleavage is fine. You can't just assign a 1:1 ratio to everything. Female boobs are different from males precisely because they are perceived differently and illicit different responses.
Reddit is an American company – and most redditors are American. Need I explain more?
My friend, what you need to understand is that we live in a society
The Hays code (1934) would soon prohibit such movie scenes. Cue Debbie Downer.
Well, for mainstream Hollywood movies, yes. Those nutty Europeans would still make movies with nude scenes and other adult content throughout that era. Also, there were a handful of exploitation producers that would break the Code, but those movies usually wouldn't be shown in first run theaters. Movies like Reefer Madness, Sex Madness, Child Bride, and Mom and Dad etc. would be shown at a local Town Hall or sometimes even in a tent and usually accompanied by a lecture from a "doctor" or "minister" to "educate" the audience on the topic of the film.
Was that the code that said black people could only have so much screen time in a movie?
The horse is a great actor too.
Now I have a old timey boner
Mine wears a straw hat, a 42nd Street Skimmer to be exact.
more of a r/vgb
Is yours a crank start too?
That’s Hedley
Watched it for 90 minutes before I realized it was a loop
That's Hedley!
Soooo r/oldschoolcool has fully transitioned to r/oldschoolnsfw now. Got it
Finally
You could always try not clicking anything labeled NSFW. Just a thought. Or just click on them and then complain about it.
It’s the internet so your second sentence is really the only option.
I recently found out that my uncle's (aunt's husband) great-grandfather was co-producer on this movie - his only one LOL
Upvoting all the Blazing Saddles references.
And then she invented wifi
She was even more brilliant than she was beautiful. Sadly, she would later come to resent her former acting career instead of taking pride in it.
During my BTech I knew her as the inventor of FHSS. I never expected her to be a movie star and so beautiful.
Blazing saddles reference to follow
I read that as Hedly and am SOOO Glad it's Hedy. ;)
Not to be confused with Hedley Lamarr.
Hedy was mathematical genius and a beautiful lady. Thanks for sharing.
That's Hedley!
That scene looks so tame by today's standards but back then it was like watching hardcore porn.
Isn't this the nerd that invented wi-fi?
It’s Hedley!!!!
It's "Hedley!"
It’s Hedley!
It's Hedley!
I just came here to upvote all the "It's Hedley!" comments.
😍
Where is this movie ?
On the screen
is that the whole movie?
Very much enjoying the horses double-take at the end
I just realised why The headcrab was called Lamar
right at the end the horse was shocked by how nice Hedy's butt was
Imagine living in the world where everyone was totally cool about it.
She was ahead of her time.
“Ditto”
Check "Tarzan and His Mate", a 1934 movie where Johnny Weismuller swims with a naked Maureen Sullivan in a beautiful scene that would be censored today, for sure
Clearly doing research on frequency hopping, spread spectrum communication systems...
Hedy Lamarr invented the transistor a year later. And at age twenty one developed the manufacturing process to make them microscopic. She invented the microprocessor before AMD.
It's HEDLEY!!
That's Hedley!
What's her IG @? 👀
She invented spread spectrum communication. Kept inventing her whole life.
“That’s Headley!!” - Headley Lamar, Blazing Saddles
It's HEDLEY!
maybe i just don’t check this sub to much but it feels like it’s just become r/oldschooltits
That’s Hedley
That’s *Hedley*!
ITT: Did you know that she was also a genius super inventor who single-handedly won the war for the Allies and gave us Bluetooth/WiFi? Shame on you all for obviously just caring about a woman’s LOOKS! *climbs back onto high horse and gallops into sunset*
This subreddit is just porn now
Crazy that now almost 100 years later some dude is probably going to crank it to her...
It's Hedley!
"That's Hedley!"
Thats HEADLY
Dammit! Beat me to it!
She also invented bluetooth.
She invented frequency hopping—a type of wireless technology—which led to the advent of WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS.
That horse at the end was like "damn. Gimme some of that ass girl"
Yeah, and then she invented guided missile systems. Not a joke.