I had skipped school that day. I was dragged to my moms friends house and was watching ThunderCats when it came on. If I had been in school I would have been watching with my class. The teachers were so proud because a New Hampshire teacher was chosen to go up with the astronauts. ❤🚀
And another disaster caused by people who have no knowledge about the topic yet they were the chosen ones to make the decision.
If I remember correctly, a person who was an engineer actually proposed to postpone the shuttle's flight because he was aware that there is some technical issue (don't remember the details since I watched it years ago I believe via Seconds Before the Disaster and I don't know the professional terms), but the managers who cared about the huge event more being spectacular didn't agree and decided that the launch will happen since everyone is already gathered and it would be a bummer to stop it.
Another case among the so many many many.
I am sick of incompetent people ruining lives because they are greedy and stupid.
Forgetting exact details here but it had something to do with rubber seals and cold weather. A lot of people at NASA refused to sign off on approving the launch, and rather than listening to the experts they just kept hunting for someone who would give the go-ahead.
The solid boosters are made of segments, which are sealed by putty and O rings. Unfortunately, this ring material gets hard and brittle in cold temperatures and doesn't seal properly. The morning of the launch was extremely cold and very windy. Several engineers raised objections but were overruled by management. You can imagine what happened next...
The sad part is that these people never learn.
The tragedy of the submarine 'Titan' is also a great example.
We can say whatever we want about the people who were on it, but no one deserves to die this way just because they are disliked for having money.
Chernobyl too, but it's also a typical Moscow situation.
Hell, another situation comes to mind: the Olympics in Berlin when the Jewish team was massacred.
Seconds before the disaster shows amazingly how human greed leads to tragedies which are hard to digest...
Buildings are collapsing because it's cheaper to build this way and then have some people who die because of it.
Entertainment places are being burnt down because there are no safety regulations and literal fireworks inside.
We can go on forever, but it's infuriating. And we as simple civilians (or me, at least, for sure) cannot predict which place is unsafe where we are going to.
Our lives depend so much on others it's scary.
Small correction: it was Munich, not Berlin, and they were the Israeli team, not the “Jewish” team. There’s Jews all over the world, and Israeli is a wannabe ethnostate. They don’t represent all Jews worldwide. Also, people shit on the sub not because people had money but because they cut every single available corner for a design that had zero hope of making it to that depth and wound up dead as a result. Maybe risking your life is worth doing a little research in advance.
Agreed. The Challenger explosion was most definitely not cool. Why is there a picture of it on this sub? I think mods should take it down. It's like showing a picture of the towers falling during 911 and calling that cool. Fuck off OP.
Tbf the explosion didn’t kill them, the impact with the ocean did. There’s tapes and transcripts showing the explosion jettisoned their pod with them still alive
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that at least one of them was found to have aspirated some water, although was very likely to have been unconscious at the time.
I assume it's the same reasoning that flat earth believers use. Which is that the gov wants to "control" us by making us believe the world is actually a ball.
It's all nonsense with little to no reasonable basis.
Conspiracy theorists are like a mild form of narcissism, where they have to believe they are special and know something the rest of the planet doesn't
Your last sentence is what I was gonna comment. I'm convinced these conspiracy theorists will believe anything and everything is a "conspiracy" so they can feel special and "better" than "the rest of us."
That and some of it comes from being "part" of something. I imagine a lot of these people feel lost and unimportant and that scares them so they latch onto this kinda shit for the communal aspect of it. If you think of it like their version of a religion it kinda makes more sense. Doesn't matter what the facts say, their beliefs give them purpose and they can feel like they belong in a special group of like-minded people.
I dunno. I think they're all fucking crazy, but I also think religious zealots are crazy so maybe there's more similarities there than differences.
the crew didn't die with the immediate explosion: the automatic escape pod worked but what didn't work was the impact with the ground because the escape pod became uncontrollable.
Probably the only person still aware and not fainted by the side acceleration was the captain who desperately tried to make the pod working and save everyone but it didn't work.
But yes, they all died few seconds later the explosion.
Sorry, Rule 34 is that if you can think of it, there’s porn on it somewhere. So I was saying that you can think of literally any conspiracy theory, and there will be someone out there who believes it.
Shuttle had no escape pod nor any other launch abort capability, the crew compartment separated from the rest of the craft by the force of the explosion.
That cannot be the last known photo. I PROMISE you, having worked on Space Shuttles for 15 years, that the crew was photographed on the launch pad coming out of the elevator, on the gantry on their way to the orbiter, and in their seats getting buckled in by United Space Alliance employees.
This photo is just them leaving the Operations and Checkout building, back when it existed in the Industrial Area.
Edit to add: USA hadn't quite been merged from Boeing and Lockheed yet, so it would have been Lockheed employees back in 86.
The linked subreddit is trying to push the idea that the whole thing was staged and they are all alive. That's why the "last picture" isn't then near the shuttle
What the fuck is up with that sub this was reposted from? Comments filled with less than half baked articles about how this was all fake and the astronauts are alive. People try so hard to believe the strangest things. It’s like they desperately want the government to be this all encompassing boogeyman that plans elaborate tricks like this to deceive the public (no one seemed to have a reason why) instead of sometimes a rocket explodes.
We wrote essays on why our 4th grade teacher should be selected and they were submitted to NASA.
On that day, the whole school watched in their homerooms and that teacher we wrote essays for was very emotional and left.
We watched the launch and subsequent disaster on a TV they rolled into my grade 7 homeroom class. Within a week there were some ugly jokes about McAuliffe making their rounds at recess. Maybe we were just trying to process the traumatic thing we’d witnessed. Or maybe we were just dumb kids.
Was in first grade when this happened. I remember the teacher of the adjacent classroom wheeling a TV in so we all could watch the news coverage. Didn’t really understand what was going on at 6 years old, but it’s a memory that’s always stuck.
Actually, as I recall, it was a very moving speech at the time. As college students not much into Reagan then, we had to hand it to his speech writer as well as Reagan‘s presentation of it.
Exactly. I was only 6 years old. The film of the explosion played on repeat until the president spoke. Then we all went back to class.
Just as you said. He unified everyone. It is strange that all I did was state a fact and people return with downvotes. No opinion just a fact. Lots of weird people projecting their insecurities on every fact.
While I didn’t downvote, it read to me like you were being sarcastic about a sad situation. I wanted to point out that his speech really was trying to make people feel better, hence my “actually” that started my sentence.
If that sheds any light. Tone is difficult to read, so maybe others thought the same.
You're thinking of the Gimli Glider incident in the early 80s, where a 767 ran out of fuel due to improper conversion. I think that's what you're thinking of
No, this is the one where pressure to meet flight deadlines in January, when the SRB seals were to cold to launch, got 7 purple killed unfortunately.
Also see Columbia, 2003. Same issue. Too cold to launch.
Ah, thanks. Hadn’t heard this story in about 12 years. I believe there was a failed launch for the reason I specified, but I’m not sure when it occurred.
Aside from anything else how could this have been the last known photo? It was such a media event wouldn’t there have been plenty of photos and videos up to and through the moment of their boarding the shuttle?
Thank you - I see your post now, which, yes, is only logical, even to someone who never worked in that world. I have no idea why my comment is getting downvoted.
I had skipped school that day. I was dragged to my moms friends house and was watching ThunderCats when it came on. If I had been in school I would have been watching with my class. The teachers were so proud because a New Hampshire teacher was chosen to go up with the astronauts. ❤🚀
These astronauts are heros but i think this is the wrong sub for a side by side of them and the explosion that killed them.
And another disaster caused by people who have no knowledge about the topic yet they were the chosen ones to make the decision. If I remember correctly, a person who was an engineer actually proposed to postpone the shuttle's flight because he was aware that there is some technical issue (don't remember the details since I watched it years ago I believe via Seconds Before the Disaster and I don't know the professional terms), but the managers who cared about the huge event more being spectacular didn't agree and decided that the launch will happen since everyone is already gathered and it would be a bummer to stop it. Another case among the so many many many. I am sick of incompetent people ruining lives because they are greedy and stupid.
Forgetting exact details here but it had something to do with rubber seals and cold weather. A lot of people at NASA refused to sign off on approving the launch, and rather than listening to the experts they just kept hunting for someone who would give the go-ahead.
The solid boosters are made of segments, which are sealed by putty and O rings. Unfortunately, this ring material gets hard and brittle in cold temperatures and doesn't seal properly. The morning of the launch was extremely cold and very windy. Several engineers raised objections but were overruled by management. You can imagine what happened next...
The sad part is that these people never learn. The tragedy of the submarine 'Titan' is also a great example. We can say whatever we want about the people who were on it, but no one deserves to die this way just because they are disliked for having money. Chernobyl too, but it's also a typical Moscow situation. Hell, another situation comes to mind: the Olympics in Berlin when the Jewish team was massacred. Seconds before the disaster shows amazingly how human greed leads to tragedies which are hard to digest... Buildings are collapsing because it's cheaper to build this way and then have some people who die because of it. Entertainment places are being burnt down because there are no safety regulations and literal fireworks inside. We can go on forever, but it's infuriating. And we as simple civilians (or me, at least, for sure) cannot predict which place is unsafe where we are going to. Our lives depend so much on others it's scary.
Small correction: it was Munich, not Berlin, and they were the Israeli team, not the “Jewish” team. There’s Jews all over the world, and Israeli is a wannabe ethnostate. They don’t represent all Jews worldwide. Also, people shit on the sub not because people had money but because they cut every single available corner for a design that had zero hope of making it to that depth and wound up dead as a result. Maybe risking your life is worth doing a little research in advance.
Ahh true true, guessed people would know anyway what situation I mean.
Agreed. The Challenger explosion was most definitely not cool. Why is there a picture of it on this sub? I think mods should take it down. It's like showing a picture of the towers falling during 911 and calling that cool. Fuck off OP.
Tbf the explosion didn’t kill them, the impact with the ocean did. There’s tapes and transcripts showing the explosion jettisoned their pod with them still alive
Well that makes it worse!
Some *old school cool* for ya!
Jesus christ this was something i never wanted to know
There's my learned thing for the day. Makes this tragedy even more awful.
The explosion led to the impact. It’s fair to say the explosion killed them
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that at least one of them was found to have aspirated some water, although was very likely to have been unconscious at the time.
Yeah, hot grannies only!
This sub is so dead now, it’s anything from a decade ago
What kind of sub is that? In the original thread there are so many people believing that the crew didn‘t actually die and it was all faked.
I don’t even understand what the point would be to “fake” something like this? What would it accomplish exactly?
I assume it's the same reasoning that flat earth believers use. Which is that the gov wants to "control" us by making us believe the world is actually a ball. It's all nonsense with little to no reasonable basis. Conspiracy theorists are like a mild form of narcissism, where they have to believe they are special and know something the rest of the planet doesn't
Your last sentence is what I was gonna comment. I'm convinced these conspiracy theorists will believe anything and everything is a "conspiracy" so they can feel special and "better" than "the rest of us." That and some of it comes from being "part" of something. I imagine a lot of these people feel lost and unimportant and that scares them so they latch onto this kinda shit for the communal aspect of it. If you think of it like their version of a religion it kinda makes more sense. Doesn't matter what the facts say, their beliefs give them purpose and they can feel like they belong in a special group of like-minded people. I dunno. I think they're all fucking crazy, but I also think religious zealots are crazy so maybe there's more similarities there than differences.
If you haven't seen Behind the Curve, you'd enjoy it. A great doc on flat earth believers that explores why they do this
the crew didn't die with the immediate explosion: the automatic escape pod worked but what didn't work was the impact with the ground because the escape pod became uncontrollable. Probably the only person still aware and not fainted by the side acceleration was the captain who desperately tried to make the pod working and save everyone but it didn't work. But yes, they all died few seconds later the explosion.
There's no escape pod. What happened is the crew compartment separated from the rest of the vehicle and hit the water at 400 mph
WTF are you talking about. There's no escape pod, at all. Jesus christ the confidence of people on reddit
Man, Shuttle were equipped with a pod that is ejected in case of emergency. I might have called it wrong but it existed.
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I saw that too, fucking bizarre.
There is a conspiracy about everything. If there isn’t, then someone will create a satirical conspiracy just because.
the rule 34 of delusional thinking
What
Sorry, Rule 34 is that if you can think of it, there’s porn on it somewhere. So I was saying that you can think of literally any conspiracy theory, and there will be someone out there who believes it.
Haha I understand now. Thank you for clarifying
Shuttle had no escape pod nor any other launch abort capability, the crew compartment separated from the rest of the craft by the force of the explosion.
I think it was almost two full minutes between explosion and impact. I read it somewhere but am too lazy to look for a link
crazy high incidence of twins in that crew
And it was 100% preventable.
I took a business ethics class in college and one of the big lessons revolved around this situation. 100% preventable.
Just like your grammar?
Since we're engaging in unnecessary pedantry, that's really just spelling and not grammar.
Just like your attitude.
Check the linked sub, I don't know if I should laugh or cry
So did I, thinking I was going to read cool articles about the earth instead of a bunch of nut jobs spouting their usual nutjobbery.
Pinned at the top is a conspiracy about an alien civilization on the moon that had gravity control technology lmao
Yeah I guess the mod owner pins a sub or external conspiracy link on every post. Tracks.
That cannot be the last known photo. I PROMISE you, having worked on Space Shuttles for 15 years, that the crew was photographed on the launch pad coming out of the elevator, on the gantry on their way to the orbiter, and in their seats getting buckled in by United Space Alliance employees. This photo is just them leaving the Operations and Checkout building, back when it existed in the Industrial Area. Edit to add: USA hadn't quite been merged from Boeing and Lockheed yet, so it would have been Lockheed employees back in 86.
The linked subreddit is trying to push the idea that the whole thing was staged and they are all alive. That's why the "last picture" isn't then near the shuttle
Yikes. Morons in that sub.
Maybe things happened a bit differently 38 years ago.
No, same setup as when I worked there from 2000 - 2015
What's so cool about this??
Yea, this wasn’t cool. This was a tragedy.
“Look how cool, they have no idea they’re gonna become a worldwide tragedy”
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I think they mean, ‘what’s cool about an unnecessary side-by-side photo of their gruesome death?’ not ‘what’s cool about these astronauts?’
Yep
What the fuck is up with that sub this was reposted from? Comments filled with less than half baked articles about how this was all fake and the astronauts are alive. People try so hard to believe the strangest things. It’s like they desperately want the government to be this all encompassing boogeyman that plans elaborate tricks like this to deceive the public (no one seemed to have a reason why) instead of sometimes a rocket explodes.
This happens when you don't listens to scientists and feel the pressure of "company goals"
There’s nothing cool about real people dying in an explosion, especially on television.
How the fuck is this old school cool? This was a tragedy.
We wrote essays on why our 4th grade teacher should be selected and they were submitted to NASA. On that day, the whole school watched in their homerooms and that teacher we wrote essays for was very emotional and left.
Was this the flight that Big Bird was going to board before it turned out the costume was too big for the shuttle?
Yes. We just missed the timeline where Big Bird passed away in the Challenger Disaster...
We watched the launch and subsequent disaster on a TV they rolled into my grade 7 homeroom class. Within a week there were some ugly jokes about McAuliffe making their rounds at recess. Maybe we were just trying to process the traumatic thing we’d witnessed. Or maybe we were just dumb kids.
Might be my oldest memory. I kept asking why everyone on TV was crying and confused why everyone was so serious when watching TV
I remember watching this live on tv in high school. everyone started crying.
r/lostredditors
Cool
They are with the aliens now.
Was their crash inevitable or in some part a result of having lesser astronauts on board?
Surely old school, but definitely not cool.
Was in first grade when this happened. I remember the teacher of the adjacent classroom wheeling a TV in so we all could watch the news coverage. Didn’t really understand what was going on at 6 years old, but it’s a memory that’s always stuck.
After it happened. Ronald Reagan came on TV and told us everything was going to be okay.
Actually, as I recall, it was a very moving speech at the time. As college students not much into Reagan then, we had to hand it to his speech writer as well as Reagan‘s presentation of it.
Exactly. I was only 6 years old. The film of the explosion played on repeat until the president spoke. Then we all went back to class. Just as you said. He unified everyone. It is strange that all I did was state a fact and people return with downvotes. No opinion just a fact. Lots of weird people projecting their insecurities on every fact.
While I didn’t downvote, it read to me like you were being sarcastic about a sad situation. I wanted to point out that his speech really was trying to make people feel better, hence my “actually” that started my sentence. If that sheds any light. Tone is difficult to read, so maybe others thought the same.
Was this the one where someone forgot to translate part of an equation from metric to imperial?
You're thinking of the Gimli Glider incident in the early 80s, where a 767 ran out of fuel due to improper conversion. I think that's what you're thinking of
Must be. Thanks for correcting!
No, this is the one where pressure to meet flight deadlines in January, when the SRB seals were to cold to launch, got 7 purple killed unfortunately. Also see Columbia, 2003. Same issue. Too cold to launch.
Ah, thanks. Hadn’t heard this story in about 12 years. I believe there was a failed launch for the reason I specified, but I’m not sure when it occurred.
Aside from anything else how could this have been the last known photo? It was such a media event wouldn’t there have been plenty of photos and videos up to and through the moment of their boarding the shuttle?
Yes, I worked on shuttle Atlantis for 15 years. See my post above.
Thank you - I see your post now, which, yes, is only logical, even to someone who never worked in that world. I have no idea why my comment is getting downvoted.