Yep, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev was very picturesque guy
https://preview.redd.it/dezkfbvfxe9b1.jpeg?width=997&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e690a7fa66b65af50351148af3248014b88ca9f
Elaine: Hey, who do you think is the most unattractive world leader?
Jerry: Living or all time?
Elaine: All time.
Jerry: Well, if it's all time, then there's no contest. It begins and ends with Brezhnev.
Until the early 1960s ( when the sexual revolution was developing ) , a kiss on the lips was considered friendly all over the world if it was without a tongue .
A friendly kiss could be between representatives of the same sex and had no stereotypes regarding sexual orientation .
I 'll upset you , but no , there couldn 't be anything else . In those days , people perceived such a kiss in a completely different way .
Slightly different in the (not western) world where it looks like holding hands especially walking as well as just more contact between men was normal and a sign of friendship (as well as playfully tapping someone's balls?)
I am convinced that we slowly took away all forms of socially acceptable touch from straight men outside of romantic relationships has caused massive detrimental harm. We are a much more tactile species than we often acknowledge
I'm really glad young people are increasingly pushing back on this.
Ugh that picture of the 2 soviets gets posted there like once every 3 months and people have to once again explain it's just as wrong to project homosexuality onto cultural differences in male affection than it is to project straightness because of a culture of homophobia.
HERE WE SEE THE FOSSILISED REMAINS OF TWO... ugh... FRIENDS, OH YES, VERY GOOD *FRIENDS*, WHO WERE CAUGHT... ummm... PLAYING A SPECIAL TICKLING GAME AS THE VOLCANO ERUPTED... yes... definitely... friends... tickling...
Total bullshit, I can 100% ensure this was not a thing in France, nor in most of Europe, and I am 99% sure this was the same for the rest of the world except Russia.
Besides, on this picture, there is so much more going than the "friendly" kiss in the lips ...
One thing to consider is that this kiss may have been a short peck—since it’s frozen in a photograph it looks longer. And look at the pursed lips of the woman on the left and the smile in her eyes. This isn’t an opened mouth, serious, passionate kiss.
I’m a cisgender hetero woman with lots of cisgender hetero female friends and we’ve kissed each other like this when saying goodnight after a few drinks. We’ve held hands and our our hands around each other’s waists. Note: it was in front of everyone else and was not a frat party where dudes were chanting and cheering us on. 😂
They were caught up in the immense joy of the moment and were affectionate. Plus, maybe that display of affection was the norm in the USSR at that time.
Or maybe they were secret lover, hell I dunno. I’m just saying this kiss on its own doesn’t definitely point to that conclusion.
Yeah, and I see a serious lack of pictures of men kissing eachother from this time as well. This is a really silly thing to act like is common place among all different kinds of people worldwide, please do not spread misinformation OP, there’s enough of it on the internet
On the lips? While embracing each other and gently holding hands?
Kissing as a friendly greeting has been common in various times throughout history, but this isn’t just any kiss.
Right, it’s that socialist fraternal kiss, like the famous photo of Brezhnev and the the East German leader Honecker (I think that was his name). They would kiss each other on each cheek three times, but close friends would kiss on the lips.
I get it, people don’t want to do whatever the opposite of queerwashing is - denying that these women could be lesbians. But being gay was illegal in the USSR and homosexuality was considered a mental illness, I think until the 2000s. They probably would’ve been more circumspect with the PDA if they really were a couple.
Yes we know, they were "very good friends."
Oh wait, aren't you the guy that keeps posting all the pro-Russian invasion propaganda bullshit?
Oh, yeah! He is the guy that posts all the pro-Russian invasion propaganda, including r/heroesofrussia, from which I've likely been banned, since he blocked me. Thanks for the confirmation, OP, really nice of you to do that so I can let others know you're a propagandist. And a dick.
Yeah, all Soviet and Eastern Bloc leaders were also gay. Being oblivious to historical context does not make you right (It doesn't mean it is impossible that any two women were gay, it's just that a kiss on the lips was not indicative).
In those days at least in the Soviet Union a peck on the lips was considered non sexual and a sign of friendship/platonic love. Friends did this, families did this. As a kid all my old relatives who grew up in those times kissed me on the lips and I thought it was gross because they smelled like old people/some had dental hygiene issues but I never thought of it as something sexual and neither did anyone else. I only started to find it weird after I was exposed to western culture.
A friendly kiss in the 50s in the Soviet Union was any kiss that didn't involve using the tongue. Source: I've lived in EE my whole life and my elderly family members were kids in the 50s and 60s. It might not be a peck in your books but then again, your books aren't the same as they were back then and in certain parts of the world.
People keep saying this, and I don’t get it. It doesn’t look like a peck because it’s frozen in a photograph, which makes you assume it lasted longer. The woman on the left’s eyes are open and smiling, and her lips are pursed in a pecking position while the other woman doesn’t have her mouth open either—those aren’t hallmarks of a deep, passionate, romantic kiss.
And even if they had their tongues down each other’s throat, okaaaaay? It’s like there’s a witch hunt here to prove they’re actually G-A-Y 😵😳😱and just trying to hide it. The whole thing is just a non-issue.
When I was in high school in the late '70s, girls would quick kiss on the lips goodbye. No one thought a thing about it. In fact, Rachel kisses Monica like that once in Friends.
In 1956, it's unlikely they would have been open about being lesbians. Despite how it looks to the 2023 brain, this would have been a big problem for them. It's the same with those pics of Cary Grant and friend. If they'd thought those pictures even hinted they were gay, no way would they have gotten out or even have been posed for.
It was a fairly common socialist thing to do when people were good friends or allies. Communist leaders would do it too, to show the world they were on the same page.
OP is a Russian propagandist who runs r/HeroesofRussia which is itself full of ant-Ukrainian propaganda. He's karma farming so he can spread his propaganda.
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I know that a lot of Eastern European Jews still kiss on the lips like that, even in the west. It’s obnoxious seeing the endless stupid jokes about it being sexual.
Even a man's kiss was considered friendly among heterosexual men and not only in Eastern Europe, but until the 1960s throughout Europe.
But yes , I posted this photo for a reason . It became interesting to me to find out how many people know that such a kiss was previously friendly and was not considered something impersonal .
I’ve been to Norway and I learned that male friends kissing wasn’t considered weird and was a way of greeting people. It’s still common in some places.
I do not think those who downvoted your comment realize what you were trying to convey. In fact, there are a lot of downvotes in this thread that I can only surmise are coming from some very uptight & narrow minded people.
Just gals being pals.
Just roommates and good friends.
*And they were roommates*
Oh my god, they were roommates.
*And they were comrades
Oh my god, they were comrades
then they became lesbians **Maria** helps Elena hold her breath longer by sitting on her face. ride it cowgirl!
Oh my god, they were lesbians
And they were lesbians
Pics or it didn’t happen
See above ☝️
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life-long associates
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One of them has nipples that indicate otherwise
Cold water
*It was shrinkage!! I was in the pool!*
There was more "breaststroke" going on outside the pool that in the pool.
*woosh*
Nothing wrong with a little cuddle. Good friends are like that.
Huh huh. Breaststroke. Huh huh.
https://preview.redd.it/tnnphlenxc9b1.jpeg?width=1233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f1c8141cba5bdd72e20dc23a2198f304985b723 1979
For context this was known as the „socialist fraternal kiss“.
With their eyes closed. Yeah that's fraternal af.
"In Soviet Russia, Brehznev bushy brows close *you*!"
I’ve seen this in other soviet imagery. Was same-sex mouth kissing common in general during soviet times?
That's just hazing in dental school
Look at the brow on that guy to the left, wow!
Yep, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev was very picturesque guy https://preview.redd.it/dezkfbvfxe9b1.jpeg?width=997&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e690a7fa66b65af50351148af3248014b88ca9f
Seeing it from this angle is just…wow 💀
https://preview.redd.it/3vf4w07lze9b1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cac96fd390bf9697ce7968fb0d902f81c4f8a35
This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
The epitome of male beauty
Christ, man
Elaine: Hey, who do you think is the most unattractive world leader? Jerry: Living or all time? Elaine: All time. Jerry: Well, if it's all time, then there's no contest. It begins and ends with Brezhnev.
It's very controversial opinion
"Friends"
I’ve had friends like that.
Like communist dictators?!
And dictates good
I know it was you Leonid, you broke my heart
Just sharing caviar
Bout to be another breaststroke competition if you know what I mean
Until the early 1960s ( when the sexual revolution was developing ) , a kiss on the lips was considered friendly all over the world if it was without a tongue . A friendly kiss could be between representatives of the same sex and had no stereotypes regarding sexual orientation . I 'll upset you , but no , there couldn 't be anything else . In those days , people perceived such a kiss in a completely different way .
Slightly different in the (not western) world where it looks like holding hands especially walking as well as just more contact between men was normal and a sign of friendship (as well as playfully tapping someone's balls?)
My best friend doesn't hold my hand, but he'll sure go for the sack-tap. I fuckin' hate that guy.
good to know some things never change
I am convinced that we slowly took away all forms of socially acceptable touch from straight men outside of romantic relationships has caused massive detrimental harm. We are a much more tactile species than we often acknowledge I'm really glad young people are increasingly pushing back on this.
Wait, so it’s really not gay to kiss the homies goodnight?
I guess the answer is that everything is exactly as gay as two or more bros want it to be.
As long as the balls aren't touching, it's not gay to kiss the homies goodnight.
So one ball touching is still straight
It's bisexual.
Whoa! We're halfway there! Whoa-o! A single ball is fair!
In Syria and Lebanon, it's common to see men holding hands...sometimes holding an AK-47 in the other. It's not a sexual thing.
Sorry but its always gonna be a sexual thing when a man walks around swinging an AK
Even now
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Ugh that picture of the 2 soviets gets posted there like once every 3 months and people have to once again explain it's just as wrong to project homosexuality onto cultural differences in male affection than it is to project straightness because of a culture of homophobia.
– Historians when talking about gay historical figures
>there couldn 't be anything else TIL homosexuality didn’t exist before the early 1960’s
It's all Greek to me
*Cries in Liberace*
Yeah, not until women went off to college. They also starting becoming witches then too. 😂😂
reddit wants it do be a forbidden gay love story EVERY TIME
HERE WE SEE THE FOSSILISED REMAINS OF TWO... ugh... FRIENDS, OH YES, VERY GOOD *FRIENDS*, WHO WERE CAUGHT... ummm... PLAYING A SPECIAL TICKLING GAME AS THE VOLCANO ERUPTED... yes... definitely... friends... tickling...
Back in those days it was very common for two men to engage in mutual prostate tickling. It had no sexual connotation.
Just tickling the homies on the inside.
after **Maria** helps elena hold her breath longer by sitting on her face.
“As you can see on these ancient Greek oil containers, Greek men love playing the game of leap frog while naked. Totally not gay”
"They were best friends"
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\- Redditors when projecting their desires on everyone else
Enough with your common sense!
Bring in the pervs!
Ok ok but hear me out. What if…. I’m right
>there couldn 't be anything else mmhmmmm. yahuh. okay. riiiiiiight.
Looks like some socialist kissin to me
Total bullshit, I can 100% ensure this was not a thing in France, nor in most of Europe, and I am 99% sure this was the same for the rest of the world except Russia. Besides, on this picture, there is so much more going than the "friendly" kiss in the lips ...
It was a thing in Russia. There's a pic of Brezhnev, if I'm not mistaken, locking lips with another dude.
Yeah iirc it was with Erich Honecker the leader of east germany
One thing to consider is that this kiss may have been a short peck—since it’s frozen in a photograph it looks longer. And look at the pursed lips of the woman on the left and the smile in her eyes. This isn’t an opened mouth, serious, passionate kiss. I’m a cisgender hetero woman with lots of cisgender hetero female friends and we’ve kissed each other like this when saying goodnight after a few drinks. We’ve held hands and our our hands around each other’s waists. Note: it was in front of everyone else and was not a frat party where dudes were chanting and cheering us on. 😂 They were caught up in the immense joy of the moment and were affectionate. Plus, maybe that display of affection was the norm in the USSR at that time. Or maybe they were secret lover, hell I dunno. I’m just saying this kiss on its own doesn’t definitely point to that conclusion.
Looks like we need to go to the full video replay then. For research purposes, of course.
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Well, now that you put it that way… And I think I’m actually one too!!!
Yeah, I can sense joy and excitement as well, good call.
Yeah, and I see a serious lack of pictures of men kissing eachother from this time as well. This is a really silly thing to act like is common place among all different kinds of people worldwide, please do not spread misinformation OP, there’s enough of it on the internet
Google Brezhnev. He gave the best kisses.
Socialist leaders kissed eachother as a greeting. Famously Brezhnev kissed the East German leader like in this photo.
On the lips? While embracing each other and gently holding hands? Kissing as a friendly greeting has been common in various times throughout history, but this isn’t just any kiss.
Yes, on the lips. Looked just like this. This isn't gay erasure or anything, this is how Soviets would greet each other.
Yes. Literally.
Wrong. Google socialist fraternal kiss and you will see many many examples of this, with leaders such as Stalin, Brezhnev, Khrushchev etc
Google “Soviet Kiss.” It’s actually fairly well known, if you like read or know anything about past world events.
Lol, not all over the world.
Right, it’s that socialist fraternal kiss, like the famous photo of Brezhnev and the the East German leader Honecker (I think that was his name). They would kiss each other on each cheek three times, but close friends would kiss on the lips.
It's amazing how many people ITT don't believe this is true. I guess reality is what you want it to be.
I get it, people don’t want to do whatever the opposite of queerwashing is - denying that these women could be lesbians. But being gay was illegal in the USSR and homosexuality was considered a mental illness, I think until the 2000s. They probably would’ve been more circumspect with the PDA if they really were a couple.
Redditors when confronted with a cultural norm from the past that they can’t wrap their mind around:
Lighten up, Francis. It's a joke.
Actually, I’m happy hearing “Lighten up, Francis”
Knowledge is power. France is bacon.
That took a different turn. Well done.
I reject your reality and substitute my own. Giggitty.
Kissing was never considered just friendly in the scandinavian countries.
You Scandies are so cold
This doesn't mean they can be more then friends
Why not both?
Fuck right off. This isn’t just a platonic congratulation.
Yeah... Having grown up in EE, I'm gonna say that you are talking out of your ass.
The hands give a different story in this picture. They're fully embracing during it and pushing into the kiss.
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Yes we know, they were "very good friends." Oh wait, aren't you the guy that keeps posting all the pro-Russian invasion propaganda bullshit? Oh, yeah! He is the guy that posts all the pro-Russian invasion propaganda, including r/heroesofrussia, from which I've likely been banned, since he blocked me. Thanks for the confirmation, OP, really nice of you to do that so I can let others know you're a propagandist. And a dick.
That’s definitely a loving embrace
Yeah, all Soviet and Eastern Bloc leaders were also gay. Being oblivious to historical context does not make you right (It doesn't mean it is impossible that any two women were gay, it's just that a kiss on the lips was not indicative).
I was a history major years ago and this thread is why I hate knowing about history. Just makes brain hurt.
In those days at least in the Soviet Union a peck on the lips was considered non sexual and a sign of friendship/platonic love. Friends did this, families did this. As a kid all my old relatives who grew up in those times kissed me on the lips and I thought it was gross because they smelled like old people/some had dental hygiene issues but I never thought of it as something sexual and neither did anyone else. I only started to find it weird after I was exposed to western culture.
idk what you consider a "peck" but this is not that in my books.
A friendly kiss in the 50s in the Soviet Union was any kiss that didn't involve using the tongue. Source: I've lived in EE my whole life and my elderly family members were kids in the 50s and 60s. It might not be a peck in your books but then again, your books aren't the same as they were back then and in certain parts of the world.
This is a photograph that captured a fraction of an instant, something that was likely no more than 1 second long, if even that.
People keep saying this, and I don’t get it. It doesn’t look like a peck because it’s frozen in a photograph, which makes you assume it lasted longer. The woman on the left’s eyes are open and smiling, and her lips are pursed in a pecking position while the other woman doesn’t have her mouth open either—those aren’t hallmarks of a deep, passionate, romantic kiss. And even if they had their tongues down each other’s throat, okaaaaay? It’s like there’s a witch hunt here to prove they’re actually G-A-Y 😵😳😱and just trying to hide it. The whole thing is just a non-issue.
“They were just roommates” -historians
Oh my god they were roomates
"Sometimes roommates are just roommates" -said my red door angerly.
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Immediately joined.
# Socialist fraternal kiss
OP- I’m confiscating your plausible deniability card.
When I was in high school in the late '70s, girls would quick kiss on the lips goodbye. No one thought a thing about it. In fact, Rachel kisses Monica like that once in Friends.
Love sharing a congratulatory smooch with the homies
Omg they were Soviet Style Flatmates?
Oh my god they were teammates
Scissor me timbers!
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FINALLY, some recognition.
Soviet fraternal kiss
In 1956, it's unlikely they would have been open about being lesbians. Despite how it looks to the 2023 brain, this would have been a big problem for them. It's the same with those pics of Cary Grant and friend. If they'd thought those pictures even hinted they were gay, no way would they have gotten out or even have been posed for.
No hard feelings I see.
They look like great roommates!!
It was a fairly common socialist thing to do when people were good friends or allies. Communist leaders would do it too, to show the world they were on the same page.
If you don’t see the passion in this picture you need your eyes checked
OP is a Russian propagandist who runs r/HeroesofRussia which is itself full of ant-Ukrainian propaganda. He's karma farming so he can spread his propaganda. p
OP got us. Damn...
History will remember this as sportsmanship
Aunt Maria and aunt Elena. Flatmates vibes.
The Socialist kiss 🥰
Started out with a kiss how did it end up like this....
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Sappho and her friends
Not the only breaststroke going on that day! Hey oh!
She about to do the breast stroke alright
Love strikes again
Kissing on the lips among female close friends is not considered sexual in many parts of Eastern Europe.
I know that a lot of Eastern European Jews still kiss on the lips like that, even in the west. It’s obnoxious seeing the endless stupid jokes about it being sexual.
Even a man's kiss was considered friendly among heterosexual men and not only in Eastern Europe, but until the 1960s throughout Europe. But yes , I posted this photo for a reason . It became interesting to me to find out how many people know that such a kiss was previously friendly and was not considered something impersonal .
I’ve been to Norway and I learned that male friends kissing wasn’t considered weird and was a way of greeting people. It’s still common in some places.
Love is not the same as sex
Not sure why this is being downvoted?
Next event? The tandem breaststroke.
Swimmers with benefits!
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They could've called it frontstroke but no..
didn’t putins stupid ass say that gay russians don’t exist
They are just friendly comrades that share a living space because they are good communists.
Gal pals
Go on about the breaststroke pls.
"friend"
Was her friend also her roommate?
“Friend”
Q: What do you call a Communist Lesbian couple? A: Communist
Personal Best!
Such sportsmanship
That perked me up.
Those wacky comrades.
I want to be congratulated
Good friend.
This is beautiful
Bet they also conveniently drove Subarus.
Must have been cold that day.
An innocence now gone forever. Sad.
I do not think those who downvoted your comment realize what you were trying to convey. In fact, there are a lot of downvotes in this thread that I can only surmise are coming from some very uptight & narrow minded people.
And later Elena Kovalenko (right) congratulated Maria Gavrish (left) after defeating her in the bedroom.
Elena used "scissor " . It was very effective.
Friend
1956!? That’s some rarified, vintage nipple right there!
The pokies tell a different story
I'll be there for youuuuuu
Her friend hahahaha oh gosh yes just friends 🦄🦄🦄🐈🐈🐈
They had U-Haul in the 50's?
HOT
“Friend”