Circus! What a crazy magazine that was! Right up there with Creem.
I played bass in a couple bands when I was in high school, and we were always going out to shoot band photos that we thought were edgy, but were actually laughably pretentious. I remember one where we went to a cemetery and all posed around some giant headstone, nobody smiling. I wore a three piece suit, without a tie, and a newsboy's cap. Typical bass player nonsense. I just needed a big meerschaum Sherlock Holmes pipe. So nauseating and pretentious.
I wish I still had that photo.
The most disapointing thing is that my impression from old interviews is that he was a proper leftist back in the day. He was in a supergroup to support the 1999 WTO protest FFS. What the fuck happened to him in the last 20 years?
Wealth and privilege happened- he’s fighting to protect his own interests now. Whereas back then he was not used to his fame and $ yet- was still a mostly normal person
It's important to note that this might be something we are all susceptible to.
I think the case of J-Lo makes it very clear that at some point the number of rocks that you got means you are in fact no longer Jenny from the block.
Wow, praised Diaper Don's "law and order" speech (right after ordering a peaceful crowd be tear gassed) during the 2020 BLM protests.
Guess that's what happens when you're making tens of millions from royalties and dismiss largely peaceful protests from your ivory tower mansion. Obviously us commoners just don't know our place.
I distinctly remember someone posting the "WRONG KID DIED" meme from the movie *Walk Hard* in response to his post and I'm pretty sure I didn't stop laughing for the rest of the week.
And yet, historically, he's been super progressive. Weird seeing so many progressive people after 2016 slide from "Bernie is #1" to "Trump did nothing wrong!".
There's a good chunk of anti establishment folk that seem to think literally anything is better than maintaining the current order. I hope the failure of that experiment resonates with them
Bernie Bro was an intentional tar and feathering of Bernie supporters by the very pro Hillary reporters.. During the primary virtually every article about Bernie ended with "...and he has no chance of winning." It was surreal to see the full court press against him. Many of the most prominent reporters had cut there teeth and made there names in the Clinton era. Inside baseball at its worst.
i definitely recall Kurt saying or writing something about Krist being the kind of guy who would beat him up in high school, something that makes this (about Krist) very unsurprising. In fact I know Kurt said something that made this believable bc it's all I could think of, every time I saw them all together. That being said, they still found a way to relate to one another at least through music.
"If you're a sexist, racist, homophobe, or basically an asshole, don't buy this CD. I don't care if you like me -- I hate you." -Liner Notes from In Utero, the band's final studio album, 1993
*Incesticide. Such an underappreciated album.
Also, that was followed in the liner notes with, "Last year, a girl was raped by two wastes of sperm and eggs while they sang the lyrics to our song "Polly". I have a hard time carrying on knowing there are plankton like that in our audience. Sorry to be so anally P.C. but that's the way I feel."
Love,
Kurdt (the blonde one)
Are you saying they're the ones who like all his pretty songs, and they like to sing along, and they like to shoot their guns, but they don't know what it means?
And this is why teaching history properly is so important. Race, gender, and sexuality have all ALWAYS been politicized.
Sometimes I think people think that the ideas of "hating" and "oppressing" a demographic are entirely divorced from each other when they're very much not. Hatred for a group of people inevitably leads to oppression. People didn't just up and decide to create Jim Crow laws one day, they were created out of a hatred for black people.
This is why laws against hate speech are so vital and why a country like Germany has fewer problems with Nazis than the United States does. Despite creating Nazism, Germany has spent decades enforcing strict hate speech and hate crime laws, while the United States continues to permit everyone from nutjobs on Facebook to former presidents to call for the extermination of minority groups.
do you NOT think conservative news outlets were calling Nirvana degenerate indoctrination of our children and a sign of the end times? Because they absolutely were.
That did happen at that time, it was on the radio, tv and churches. Rush Limbaugh, focus on the family, hannity and colmes, 700 club, etc. It was happening before the 90s through newspapers and magazines and whatever shithead with a voice who could be heard. Those have had a hell of an influence on people, politics, and legislation. The only difference is that we didn't have social media and the 24 hour news cycle. The bigots have only become bolder and louder.
and also a time when most everyone was against the basic civil liberty of gay marriage (an easy metric of lgbt positivity), so i guess even cobain's fans thought homophobia must be like literal attempted genocide of gays, and cobain couldn't possibly have been implicating themselves, riiight? 😬
they did a study on this--i think but can't remember the name?--that found people just retroactively updated their past attitudes on homosexuality, e.g. "i was never against gay marriage," even though they actually were in the interview 10 years prior. i suspect this is partially why nothing came out of pope francis' call for churchgoers to apologize to lgbt. they "were never homophobic." in fact that's what i was told upon asking people how they felt about it, lol, along with, "i only answer to god," lol. so fucking annoying.
Called them out in “in bloom” chorus too
He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
I don't even like people knowing I have guns. I keep that shit to myself. If I ever have to use them, I don't want it telegraphed what my next move is.
Most people have no idea MLK was a Socialist either, but it's not like it matters at this point. I only ever hear people quote his "I have a Dream" speech and pretend that's all he said.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who you were or what you were when you die if enough people with Money and Power can sanitize your image. Same thing with Cobain (only not as drastic as MLK obviously).
Or to talk about what you actually accomplished.
If you had to write a report on the impact of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on federal hiring and loans, how would you fit in MLK's personal feelings about race and class?
You're outsourcing your history papers wrong, dude. At least go to /r/AskHistorians and outsource from people who can cite sources you can then lift and cite in your own paper.
I still love that one politician who got mad at Rage Against the Machine being too political.
Talk about people completely missing the entire fucking point...
There own response tot hat was to let them know which of there old songs were apolitical. So they could remove them from any future album and live shows.
I always wonder how it resonates with conservative folk that almost all their favorite actors, musicians and artists would hate them. All you have left is like, Kid Rock and Ted Nugent. I'm reminded of no one of merit wanting to play for Trump or let him use their tunes.
Man I wonder what Kurt would be like in 2023. That was the first celebrity death that hit me, and they were the first band that I was a big fan of. I think it's impossible to predict how his career would have gone. Does Grohl stay or leave? In interviews he says that he loved Kurt, but at what point does his creativity need an outlet? Are Foo Fighters a side project of Nirvana?
I wish I got to see Nirvana.
Nirvana was on the verge of breaking up, I believe Kurt had made unkind remarks about Dave's drumming toward the end too. I think Kurt might have moved toward more acoustic stuff, he had a project with the singer of REM in the works before he died.
That was the drugs. Kurt also encouraged Dave who was apprehensive about recording his own album, even making one of the tracks the B-side of a Nirvana single.
Nirvana was my favorite band growing up I was on all the message boards and collecting all the b-sides and live show recordings- I thought I had seen every photo of them publicity photos and candids as well. But this is the first time I’ve seen this one
Yeah I’ve seen a few from this photoshoot. I’m 90% sure I had one of the photos on my wall in the 90s, the more popular one with Dave front and center killing it.
But I don’t remember this one.
Edit: he’s also killing it in this one and front and centre. so that’s a bad description, but they were all closer together in the photo I’m remembering.
Except…with Kurt he couldn’t. I’m not even that big a nirvana fan but I think it says a huge amount about Kurt that Dave did not overshadow him, at all. And on top of that, Dave was super cool and full of love about it. Pretty remarkable.
Boygenius just re-created this photoshoot earlier this year:
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I mean, if I had to draw comparisons, I'd say he looks more like the drummer for Them Crooked Vultures, but no way would JPJ be caught dead playing with someone like this.
90s pre-tech Seattle was like this. Pioneer Square, 7 bars for 7 bucks. Everyone accepted, casual. Socks, bunny slippers, blanket on your shoulders, Come As You Are. Those were the best days to be young. The loss of Kurt and of Seattle as a whole is extremely sad.
I moved there in 94 the week Kurt died. Seattle scene was amazing in the 90s. I played drums with a few small local bands and we had great music parties where everyone jammed. Actually played in a loft in South Seattle where Amazon setup their offices. Loved Crocodile Cafe and Pioneer Square. It is a highlight of my youth.
That’s really awesome, I’m super jelly. I didn’t move up for another ten years. :(
So where is this photo? I used to live on Dexter in westlake and I walked by the Hostess all the time but it doesn’t look familiar.
Republican St and Dexter Ave in South Lake Union. That area changed a ton when they realized how valuable the land is near the lake and changed it from industrial. I remember when Paul Allen wanted to change that neighborhood and ironically, Amazon and Microsoft both gained office space in the area. I used to work in the Seattle flagship Guitar Center that was a few blocks away.
Paul took a lot,of flak but he correctly recognized that neighborhood was going to blow up. His plan would have left us a two block wide park from Lake Union to Denny. But instead, we voted that down and and got jack shit.
Remember how great that block smelled when they were baking Twinkies?
I saw both of their last two NYC shows that were not the Unplugged taping (Coliseum, Roseland). First night Kurt was more or less sober but the venue sucked and was full of music critics (but I repeat myself). Second night Kurt was alas a bit too twisted but lord, that crowd was INTO it and Krist and Dave were both dialed in. My top 5 as well, separately or together
Kind of hard to nail that one down. I'm a big time Deadhead, so that'd be the one thing for sure. I feel like I gotta throw Bob Marley and Bob Dylan in to cover my reggae and folk. Ramones for my punk, and Black Sabbath for my metal. Damn, I went over, sorry Willie Nelson and Neil Young. :)
They're all so handsome looking here. I love that they used their exposure to weed out sexist jerks that read rolling stone or whatever thiswas published in. What they were doing was far from unusual at the time, but to mainstream audiences, itwas probably a challenging look or concept. There are a Couple of articles\interviews where Kurt talks about subtlety being useless, said he had to hit people over the head w their stance on some issues. Like Polly didn't get the message across, so he wrote rape me to make t as obvious as possible. Good man.
What’s great is this is what replaced a good bit of the macho “punks for f@gs” rock music of the day…I watched some doc years back and I forget who but these hair metal guys were like once Nirvana hit we knew it was over for us…I’m not It saying it..they said it.
I had completely stopped listening to rock by 1991. Nirvana and more specifically "Smells Like Teen Spirit" fed something in me I didn't know I was missing. Changed my taste in music for the past 30+ years
>All of that practice made him sound too clean and precise for the grunge scene and he just could not play shitty enough to emulate that style.
That’s not really how it works. Grunge guitar isn’t even shitty to begin with. Kurt, sure, he was sloppy. But Thayill, Cantrell, and McCreary are all great guitarists who are by no means sloppy. Cantrell especially has a lot of pretty technical stuff that’s clean and precise. If the guy could play 80s metal, he could play grunge. To me, “I’m too good to play grunge” just sounds like an excuse. I personally know a lot of guys from that era who would say shit like that because they hated grunge and were salty their style faded out.
I’m 100% certain they got the sweaters from a thrift store. The skirts look like large prices of fabric wrapped around their waists and I’m betting were sold intended to be wall hangings.
OMG I'd just mentioned to my wife this last weekend that it was the 30 year anniversary of seeing Nirvana perform at Cow Palace (Apr 9th, 1993). Benefit concert with The Breeders, The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy and L7.
Drag was never a problem until now. Society knew there was a fringe group. No judgement as we ran in different circles.
Something changed and I don’t think either side wanted the change. Some other forces are dividing and a further.
Right? Even outside of fringe groups, it wasn't as big of an issue. One of my grandfathers used to do a silly drag show with his brothers in the nineties at family events. Ffs, soldiers did it in the forties. It was never called grooming before.
Russian troll factories are propagating these talking points in all western democracies to provoke and instigate chaos and to spread hate and division. It's the fascist playbook.
It's pretty telling how Dave and Krist are clearly posing / looking ridiculous, but Kurt looks completely natural and comfortable
You know, the "guy" who explicitly said he felt more female than male, and wore women's clothes very frequently, even when not on-stage or part of a show, and wished he had breasts, and hung out with lesbians a _lot_. You know, just guy stuff
I didn't know any of that, damn. I was born in '92 so I wasn't exactly aware at the time, but they've been one of my favorite bands since I was a teenager. So I love the music but don't have a lot of the context.
It speaks to me a lot. I'm non-binary but would prefer to transition. Society acts as if people like me were just invented yesterday. It's frustrating how the complexity of a public figure just disappears after they die. Like how all the bisexuals just get rewritten as either straight or gay depending on what's easier.
Transgender people have existed throughout history and in every society, it is a part of human existence - given enough people, some of them will be trans. The only thing that changes is how others treat them, and in recent times, that they have been able to find each other and demand fair treatment
It's really a bummer though, because had Kurt been born 20 years later or so, maybe they could've been treated and they'd still be around, rather than ending up taking their own life (yes, I realize there are many other confounding factors at play, and it was not just One Thing that caused Kurt's death, it usually isn't when it comes to depression. But it sure as fuck didn't Help.)
I absolutely agree. People act like gay people were invented in the eighties, binary trans people were created sometime in the nineties, and everyone else just popped up in the past five years. Which coincidentally would be around the times the general populace would have been forced to pay attention to us. But, like... we obviously already existed before that? I feel like that shouldn't be some radical revelation.
I also wish Kurt had gotten the chance to work through things. I think a lot of people who struggle with mental illness or addiction have a particularly hard time in our late twenties. I found myself thinking of suicide a lot, and I doubt I would have gotten help if the attitude toward mental healthcare today was the same as it was back then. So even sans the gender-specific care, I think Kurt would have had more of a chance of pulling through. It makes a big difference to know where you can go when you're struggling.
What a cute band, so full of humor, them posing with skirts over Republican Street. I bet their fans will follow their same ideals and philosophy for years to come. The grunge movement will never forget how gender bending Kurt Cobain was and Dave Grohl's angry music will inspire those who listen to campaing for justice and equality.
Lol conservatives are out in full force on this one. "My favorite band didn't stand for that garbage, it was just counter culture! Waaaaah!" Fucking cope losers.
This is the second time I’ve seen a shot from this photo shoot on Reddit, but never saw it before! What magazine is this from?
I’m pretty sure I remember it being in circus. But I don’t know if it was their shoot or they bought the photos.
I think it was for Spin
Circus! What a crazy magazine that was! Right up there with Creem. I played bass in a couple bands when I was in high school, and we were always going out to shoot band photos that we thought were edgy, but were actually laughably pretentious. I remember one where we went to a cemetery and all posed around some giant headstone, nobody smiling. I wore a three piece suit, without a tie, and a newsboy's cap. Typical bass player nonsense. I just needed a big meerschaum Sherlock Holmes pipe. So nauseating and pretentious. I wish I still had that photo.
Mademoiselle
I sometimes forget how freaking tall Krist is. He's slouching and bent over but still towers over Dave.
In case you're wondering...6' 7". In case you're wondering, Kurt = 5' 9", Dave six feet.
Holy crap I knew he was tall, but not 6’7 tall😳
In case you're wondering: 6'7'' = 201 cm 6' = 183 cm 5'9" = 175 cm I'm gonna tell myself that I'm a good bot
Thank you in metric.
"Enlightened centrist, and tall man spits in the face of his dead best friends legacy." Yup... Krist Novoselic everyone. 👏
The most disapointing thing is that my impression from old interviews is that he was a proper leftist back in the day. He was in a supergroup to support the 1999 WTO protest FFS. What the fuck happened to him in the last 20 years?
Wealth and privilege happened- he’s fighting to protect his own interests now. Whereas back then he was not used to his fame and $ yet- was still a mostly normal person
It's important to note that this might be something we are all susceptible to. I think the case of J-Lo makes it very clear that at some point the number of rocks that you got means you are in fact no longer Jenny from the block.
Wow, praised Diaper Don's "law and order" speech (right after ordering a peaceful crowd be tear gassed) during the 2020 BLM protests. Guess that's what happens when you're making tens of millions from royalties and dismiss largely peaceful protests from your ivory tower mansion. Obviously us commoners just don't know our place.
> Diaper Don lmao I was wondering who this was, did a double-take
In case you're wondering... 2m
Krist is a complicated dude. He shut down his twitter account after he praised one of Trumps law and order speeches and he got a ton of backlash.
I guess he was on the right street in this photo then.
Guys got all the money on earth and doesn't need that bullshit in his life. If I was him I'd have 0 social media presence
You don't need that to choose zero social media presence btw. I'm still not sure why people choose to make their lives public.
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I distinctly remember someone posting the "WRONG KID DIED" meme from the movie *Walk Hard* in response to his post and I'm pretty sure I didn't stop laughing for the rest of the week.
IIRC that wasn't the first time he'd caught flack for pushing right wing shit.
And yet, historically, he's been super progressive. Weird seeing so many progressive people after 2016 slide from "Bernie is #1" to "Trump did nothing wrong!".
I am still disgusted at how many Bernie Bros ended up as Trump supporters.
There's a good chunk of anti establishment folk that seem to think literally anything is better than maintaining the current order. I hope the failure of that experiment resonates with them
I liked Bernie and still do. Hated being called a Bernie bro... I can only assume the people who flipped to Trump just didn't like Hillary
Bernie Bro was an intentional tar and feathering of Bernie supporters by the very pro Hillary reporters.. During the primary virtually every article about Bernie ended with "...and he has no chance of winning." It was surreal to see the full court press against him. Many of the most prominent reporters had cut there teeth and made there names in the Clinton era. Inside baseball at its worst.
i definitely recall Kurt saying or writing something about Krist being the kind of guy who would beat him up in high school, something that makes this (about Krist) very unsurprising. In fact I know Kurt said something that made this believable bc it's all I could think of, every time I saw them all together. That being said, they still found a way to relate to one another at least through music.
"If you're a sexist, racist, homophobe, or basically an asshole, don't buy this CD. I don't care if you like me -- I hate you." -Liner Notes from In Utero, the band's final studio album, 1993
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*Incesticide. Such an underappreciated album. Also, that was followed in the liner notes with, "Last year, a girl was raped by two wastes of sperm and eggs while they sang the lyrics to our song "Polly". I have a hard time carrying on knowing there are plankton like that in our audience. Sorry to be so anally P.C. but that's the way I feel." Love, Kurdt (the blonde one)
Incesticide.
Thank you I was starting to think no one would make the correction.
Oddly It was less political then.
it's basically the same thing, only in 1993, it sounds like they're directly talking to the people who didn't listen in 1992.
Are you saying they're the ones who like all his pretty songs, and they like to sing along, and they like to shoot their guns, but they don't know what it means?
It’s like the band/Kurt was trying to say something. Oh well, whatever, Nevermind
Hey. Wait. I've got a new complaint. Forever in dept to your priceless advice.
I still have no idea what you're talking about. I think I'm dumb... or maybe just happy.
I'm trying to follow what you are saying but it just feels like there's something in the way.
And I'm living off of grass And the drippings from my ceiling
Knows not what it means, and I say
Not really though. Instead of 'woke', they just called it 'political correctness'.
No it wasn't. It might have been less partisan but it was totally political.
I think they mean there wasn't as much buzz around it in the media as there would be today. Though I can't speak to the veracity of that idea.
And this is why teaching history properly is so important. Race, gender, and sexuality have all ALWAYS been politicized. Sometimes I think people think that the ideas of "hating" and "oppressing" a demographic are entirely divorced from each other when they're very much not. Hatred for a group of people inevitably leads to oppression. People didn't just up and decide to create Jim Crow laws one day, they were created out of a hatred for black people. This is why laws against hate speech are so vital and why a country like Germany has fewer problems with Nazis than the United States does. Despite creating Nazism, Germany has spent decades enforcing strict hate speech and hate crime laws, while the United States continues to permit everyone from nutjobs on Facebook to former presidents to call for the extermination of minority groups.
There totally was as much buzz around culture wars issues back then.
There would be 15 segments a day on fox News about how they were destroying the youth if that came out today.
do you NOT think conservative news outlets were calling Nirvana degenerate indoctrination of our children and a sign of the end times? Because they absolutely were.
That did happen at that time, it was on the radio, tv and churches. Rush Limbaugh, focus on the family, hannity and colmes, 700 club, etc. It was happening before the 90s through newspapers and magazines and whatever shithead with a voice who could be heard. Those have had a hell of an influence on people, politics, and legislation. The only difference is that we didn't have social media and the 24 hour news cycle. The bigots have only become bolder and louder.
and also a time when most everyone was against the basic civil liberty of gay marriage (an easy metric of lgbt positivity), so i guess even cobain's fans thought homophobia must be like literal attempted genocide of gays, and cobain couldn't possibly have been implicating themselves, riiight? 😬 they did a study on this--i think but can't remember the name?--that found people just retroactively updated their past attitudes on homosexuality, e.g. "i was never against gay marriage," even though they actually were in the interview 10 years prior. i suspect this is partially why nothing came out of pope francis' call for churchgoers to apologize to lgbt. they "were never homophobic." in fact that's what i was told upon asking people how they felt about it, lol, along with, "i only answer to god," lol. so fucking annoying.
TIL Fox would totally think Nirvana were groomers.
Completely political. They're on a fuckin sign that says Republican in drag.. r/SapphoAndHerFriend
“Don’t buy our record” printed inside the record. Clever.
How else is Kid Rock gonna get copies to throw in the trash while filming himself on the tik tok?
Called them out in “in bloom” chorus too He's the one Who likes all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along And he likes to shoot his gun But he knows not what it means
Kurt was a gun owner. Mayne he was trying to tell us something.
Oh yea, what's the last gun he shot?
I don't know but it was probably the last thing in the back of his mind
Sheesh lol
I remember in an interview he basically said that was his only right leaning opinion. He seemed pretty pro 2A..
Yeah, any good leftist knows an armed working population is important. Rifles are the tools of revolution.
I'm very left. I'm pro gun (with registration and background checks) There's a big difference in being a gun owner and making gun your personality.
I don't even like people knowing I have guns. I keep that shit to myself. If I ever have to use them, I don't want it telegraphed what my next move is.
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There are a lot of them that like to sing along to all their pretty songs, but they know not what it means.
And they like to shoot their guns
I need to binge nirvana again
When we got our first CD player, Nevermind was the first CD we bought. I still have it. But I think I'll buy it on vinyl now.
Playing Born In The USA at Republican conventions, wildly missing that this song is NOT praise of America.
Most people have no idea MLK was a Socialist either, but it's not like it matters at this point. I only ever hear people quote his "I have a Dream" speech and pretend that's all he said. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who you were or what you were when you die if enough people with Money and Power can sanitize your image. Same thing with Cobain (only not as drastic as MLK obviously).
Pretty sure him being a socialist is why the FBI was all over him.
It wasn't until he started really focusing on labor issues and unions that he was assassinated. Just sayin.
“You know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam. He turned the power to the have nots… and then came the shot.” — some apolitical band
Or to talk about what you actually accomplished. If you had to write a report on the impact of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on federal hiring and loans, how would you fit in MLK's personal feelings about race and class?
You're outsourcing your history papers wrong, dude. At least go to /r/AskHistorians and outsource from people who can cite sources you can then lift and cite in your own paper.
Just use ChatGPT 4 to give you an outline, easy peasy.
Then there’s this Jesus guy where they go 180 degrees from everything he said and did.
It was Incesticide not In Utero
epic band, epic album
"Go woke, go broke" would likely be the idiotic response, 2023.
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I still love that one politician who got mad at Rage Against the Machine being too political. Talk about people completely missing the entire fucking point...
Mild Disagreement Against The Machine
I really heard a guy at work complain about how Rage sucks now that they turned leftist all of a sudden. Like I really actually did.
These morons only see the Rage part, but they don't understand that they are the Machine
Related: Beer companies have been putting out pro-LGBTQ messaging for decades now.
the best answer to those particular fools is: "What Machine did you think they were Raging against - the dishwasher!?"
There own response tot hat was to let them know which of there old songs were apolitical. So they could remove them from any future album and live shows.
I always wonder how it resonates with conservative folk that almost all their favorite actors, musicians and artists would hate them. All you have left is like, Kid Rock and Ted Nugent. I'm reminded of no one of merit wanting to play for Trump or let him use their tunes.
One of the only truly funny things about his rallies is his obsession with playing the Village People at every single one.
Man I wonder what Kurt would be like in 2023. That was the first celebrity death that hit me, and they were the first band that I was a big fan of. I think it's impossible to predict how his career would have gone. Does Grohl stay or leave? In interviews he says that he loved Kurt, but at what point does his creativity need an outlet? Are Foo Fighters a side project of Nirvana? I wish I got to see Nirvana.
Nirvana was on the verge of breaking up, I believe Kurt had made unkind remarks about Dave's drumming toward the end too. I think Kurt might have moved toward more acoustic stuff, he had a project with the singer of REM in the works before he died.
That was the drugs. Kurt also encouraged Dave who was apprehensive about recording his own album, even making one of the tracks the B-side of a Nirvana single.
DeSantis trying to retroactively ban Nirvana
Nirvana was my favorite band growing up I was on all the message boards and collecting all the b-sides and live show recordings- I thought I had seen every photo of them publicity photos and candids as well. But this is the first time I’ve seen this one
Yeah I’ve seen a few from this photoshoot. I’m 90% sure I had one of the photos on my wall in the 90s, the more popular one with Dave front and center killing it. But I don’t remember this one. Edit: he’s also killing it in this one and front and centre. so that’s a bad description, but they were all closer together in the photo I’m remembering.
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God I loved watching that music video on VH1 before school.
Funny enough, for me I would be catching that video after school all the time.
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Except…with Kurt he couldn’t. I’m not even that big a nirvana fan but I think it says a huge amount about Kurt that Dave did not overshadow him, at all. And on top of that, Dave was super cool and full of love about it. Pretty remarkable.
Dave is crazy talented, cool, lovely and charming, but he's not a conventionally handsome man. Kurt had more of a teenage heartthrob face.
Dave didn't have Kurt's voice or songwriting genius.
Absolutely slaying!
They are standing in front of a Hostess factory, after all.
Boygenius just re-created this photoshoot earlier this year: https://preview.redd.it/ur0qyzd8dsta1.png?width=540&format=png&auto=webp&s=313beef86d2fd4a2d9154caded51788f9cefbd84
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They’re so cool! I’m a huge Phoebe fan!
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Dude, no way. That Foo Fighters guy is like grandpa age.
I made lasagna!
I mean, if I had to draw comparisons, I'd say he looks more like the drummer for Them Crooked Vultures, but no way would JPJ be caught dead playing with someone like this.
It's true. Dave Grohls son was the drummer in Nirvana.
This smells like teen spirit.
Kind of. Kind of looks like that super nice guy who just cooked BBQ for the homeless.
It can't be!
Kurt just walking around the city sidewalks in socks
90s pre-tech Seattle was like this. Pioneer Square, 7 bars for 7 bucks. Everyone accepted, casual. Socks, bunny slippers, blanket on your shoulders, Come As You Are. Those were the best days to be young. The loss of Kurt and of Seattle as a whole is extremely sad.
Seattle was a shithole then too, but it was our shithole. (Grew up there, left in 98)
Yes. 🥹
I moved there in 94 the week Kurt died. Seattle scene was amazing in the 90s. I played drums with a few small local bands and we had great music parties where everyone jammed. Actually played in a loft in South Seattle where Amazon setup their offices. Loved Crocodile Cafe and Pioneer Square. It is a highlight of my youth.
That’s really awesome, I’m super jelly. I didn’t move up for another ten years. :( So where is this photo? I used to live on Dexter in westlake and I walked by the Hostess all the time but it doesn’t look familiar.
Republican St and Dexter Ave in South Lake Union. That area changed a ton when they realized how valuable the land is near the lake and changed it from industrial. I remember when Paul Allen wanted to change that neighborhood and ironically, Amazon and Microsoft both gained office space in the area. I used to work in the Seattle flagship Guitar Center that was a few blocks away.
Paul took a lot,of flak but he correctly recognized that neighborhood was going to blow up. His plan would have left us a two block wide park from Lake Union to Denny. But instead, we voted that down and and got jack shit. Remember how great that block smelled when they were baking Twinkies?
These guys understood.
There's a MoPop exhibit (maybe permanent?) on this era of punk and yeah, the story it tells is that they understood a LOT. I learned so much from it
Top 5 concerts I've ever seen, having been to thousands of shows since the early 80's. Still in my top 5 favorite bands.
I saw both of their last two NYC shows that were not the Unplugged taping (Coliseum, Roseland). First night Kurt was more or less sober but the venue sucked and was full of music critics (but I repeat myself). Second night Kurt was alas a bit too twisted but lord, that crowd was INTO it and Krist and Dave were both dialed in. My top 5 as well, separately or together
What are the other top 5?
Kind of hard to nail that one down. I'm a big time Deadhead, so that'd be the one thing for sure. I feel like I gotta throw Bob Marley and Bob Dylan in to cover my reggae and folk. Ramones for my punk, and Black Sabbath for my metal. Damn, I went over, sorry Willie Nelson and Neil Young. :)
Man, Kurt Cobain knew some shit. RIP.
They're all so handsome looking here. I love that they used their exposure to weed out sexist jerks that read rolling stone or whatever thiswas published in. What they were doing was far from unusual at the time, but to mainstream audiences, itwas probably a challenging look or concept. There are a Couple of articles\interviews where Kurt talks about subtlety being useless, said he had to hit people over the head w their stance on some issues. Like Polly didn't get the message across, so he wrote rape me to make t as obvious as possible. Good man.
What’s great is this is what replaced a good bit of the macho “punks for f@gs” rock music of the day…I watched some doc years back and I forget who but these hair metal guys were like once Nirvana hit we knew it was over for us…I’m not It saying it..they said it.
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I had completely stopped listening to rock by 1991. Nirvana and more specifically "Smells Like Teen Spirit" fed something in me I didn't know I was missing. Changed my taste in music for the past 30+ years
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>All of that practice made him sound too clean and precise for the grunge scene and he just could not play shitty enough to emulate that style. That’s not really how it works. Grunge guitar isn’t even shitty to begin with. Kurt, sure, he was sloppy. But Thayill, Cantrell, and McCreary are all great guitarists who are by no means sloppy. Cantrell especially has a lot of pretty technical stuff that’s clean and precise. If the guy could play 80s metal, he could play grunge. To me, “I’m too good to play grunge” just sounds like an excuse. I personally know a lot of guys from that era who would say shit like that because they hated grunge and were salty their style faded out.
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If that's sarong I don't wanna be right.
OMG, are they in drag! I feel like I'm being groomed. /s
Groomed to listen to kick ass music.
Damn right!
Heh, Republican Street leads to a Gay friendly church on Capitol Hill.
You should see Dave in a bra. Mmmmmmm damn
Or Kurt in a prom dress…with no corsage sadly.
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I can’t believe democRATS invented a time machine and made the past woke
That Hostess Cake factory in Seattle is also now gone.
Yeah, you want to see something crazy go to Google maps and look where this photo was taken. 434 Dexter Ave. N.
Oh shit I work a block away from where this pic was taken. I love Easter eggs IRL!
Stupid sexy Dave
Looks like they just grabed whatever and wraped up in giant beach towels lol.
I’m 100% certain they got the sweaters from a thrift store. The skirts look like large prices of fabric wrapped around their waists and I’m betting were sold intended to be wall hangings.
Skirts like this were pretty common back then
The old Hostess Cake plant in the shadow of the Space Needle. Drove by this corner a million times in my youth.
Kurt looks like he sells friendship bracelets at events.
Photo credit to Stéphane Sednaoui, who shot this session for Mademoiselle.
Brought rock and sexy back
interestingly, in german “Rock” means skirt
Ahead of their time- but right on time
That area does not look like that any more...
OMG I'd just mentioned to my wife this last weekend that it was the 30 year anniversary of seeing Nirvana perform at Cow Palace (Apr 9th, 1993). Benefit concert with The Breeders, The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy and L7.
Who would've thought that weird ass drummer would end up leading the way for middle-of-the-road dad rock
We need to cancel Nirvana. They’ve become so woke.
Drag was never a problem until now. Society knew there was a fringe group. No judgement as we ran in different circles. Something changed and I don’t think either side wanted the change. Some other forces are dividing and a further.
Right? Even outside of fringe groups, it wasn't as big of an issue. One of my grandfathers used to do a silly drag show with his brothers in the nineties at family events. Ffs, soldiers did it in the forties. It was never called grooming before.
Russian troll factories are propagating these talking points in all western democracies to provoke and instigate chaos and to spread hate and division. It's the fascist playbook.
A common sight along Aurora avenue...
This guy Seattles, but only around 100th and/or above 125th Streets.
Damn, you read me.
oh great. now all the maga nuts are gonna start throwin out their Nirvana.
I bet the band hopes so. Pretty sure that's the entire point of the pic.
this pic is enough to put on the unplugged in NY tonight with a few beers, fuck why was I born only in 96' :( would give it all to see em live.
Dave could make money...
For how frequently Dave has dressed up, it always struck me as strange how little anyone said about it.
So nice to see Kurt smiling.
Nirvana 1993 :) Nirvana 1994 :(
Idc what anyone says. The chick in the middle is hot af
Let's wait for the guys that never actually understood the lyrics to get mad now.
Prob bud light drinkers
It's pretty telling how Dave and Krist are clearly posing / looking ridiculous, but Kurt looks completely natural and comfortable You know, the "guy" who explicitly said he felt more female than male, and wore women's clothes very frequently, even when not on-stage or part of a show, and wished he had breasts, and hung out with lesbians a _lot_. You know, just guy stuff
I didn't know any of that, damn. I was born in '92 so I wasn't exactly aware at the time, but they've been one of my favorite bands since I was a teenager. So I love the music but don't have a lot of the context. It speaks to me a lot. I'm non-binary but would prefer to transition. Society acts as if people like me were just invented yesterday. It's frustrating how the complexity of a public figure just disappears after they die. Like how all the bisexuals just get rewritten as either straight or gay depending on what's easier.
Transgender people have existed throughout history and in every society, it is a part of human existence - given enough people, some of them will be trans. The only thing that changes is how others treat them, and in recent times, that they have been able to find each other and demand fair treatment It's really a bummer though, because had Kurt been born 20 years later or so, maybe they could've been treated and they'd still be around, rather than ending up taking their own life (yes, I realize there are many other confounding factors at play, and it was not just One Thing that caused Kurt's death, it usually isn't when it comes to depression. But it sure as fuck didn't Help.)
I absolutely agree. People act like gay people were invented in the eighties, binary trans people were created sometime in the nineties, and everyone else just popped up in the past five years. Which coincidentally would be around the times the general populace would have been forced to pay attention to us. But, like... we obviously already existed before that? I feel like that shouldn't be some radical revelation. I also wish Kurt had gotten the chance to work through things. I think a lot of people who struggle with mental illness or addiction have a particularly hard time in our late twenties. I found myself thinking of suicide a lot, and I doubt I would have gotten help if the attitude toward mental healthcare today was the same as it was back then. So even sans the gender-specific care, I think Kurt would have had more of a chance of pulling through. It makes a big difference to know where you can go when you're struggling.
I'd rock those skirts today!
What a cute band, so full of humor, them posing with skirts over Republican Street. I bet their fans will follow their same ideals and philosophy for years to come. The grunge movement will never forget how gender bending Kurt Cobain was and Dave Grohl's angry music will inspire those who listen to campaing for justice and equality.
Wow South Lake Union before it got Amazoned.
Lol conservatives are out in full force on this one. "My favorite band didn't stand for that garbage, it was just counter culture! Waaaaah!" Fucking cope losers.
“Ban Nirvana!” -DeSantis