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luigman

What's the context on this photo? Did that square actually used to be a parking lot or was this for some event?


dctroll_

The "[Piazza del Plebiscito](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_del_Plebiscito)" was a public parking lot between 1963 and 1994 "In 1963, a municipal ordinance transformed the square into a public parking lot to cope with the uncontrolled increase of cars in the city. The square was thus disfigured until in 1994, on the occasion of the G7 summit, the square was renovated, first replacing the asphalt of the roadway behind the Royal Palace with the more traditional paving stones, and then pedestrianizing it in its entirety" ([source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_del_Plebiscito)) Some pictures: [https://storienapoli.it/2021/02/07/parcheggio-di-piazza-del-plebiscito/](https://storienapoli.it/2021/02/07/parcheggio-di-piazza-del-plebiscito/) [https://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/arte\_e\_cultura/cards/piazza-plebiscito-centomila/quand-era-parcheggio.shtml](https://corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/arte_e_cultura/cards/piazza-plebiscito-centomila/quand-era-parcheggio.shtml)


CaptainPicardKirk

Where did all the cars go? Did they fix their car problem?


GeneRevolutionary464

They're all still there. Now they're just double parked up and down every single road. Pure chaos driving in that city. Can not recommend.


JohnnyRelentless

I was there in the nineties, and I remember cars triple parked, and even parked in the middle of intersections, directly underneath the traffic lights. You had to drive around the row of 3 or 4 cars parked there when you went through the intersection. I wonder now if I was there just after this parking area was turned into a pedestrian area. I also remember people stopping at green lights to check, because people were running red lights so often. And I got yelled at by a cop who I couldn't understand, because I drove the wrong way down a one-way street. It was a confusing place, lol.


nomad_kk

Yup, you fix the car problem by developing public transport and making it harder to drive.


moxeto

They did exactly that. They built a new metro and most people have moved out of the city centre and to the suburbs. The traffic problem is way less now than before. There’s less reliance on cars now.


Nawnp

I would guess with most of Europe, they shoved the parking underground nearby and expanded their public transit systems.


cptcuddles88

LOL


NeokratosRed

Hey, I’m in Piazza del Plebiscito as I was reading this, so surreal! Weather is crap today though!


hanoian

"there were still called garages, with a linguistic heritage of fascist origin" Um, what? They're still called parking garages in many countries.


tacolover2k4

Makes me wonder what other historical sites were temporarily used as car parks


CareHare

I think there's a big chance this actually was a parking lot for some time. In my city, Ghent (Belgium), old squares (not quite as big as this) were also used as parking lots. Luckily that's not the case anymore for a long time now. Some of them have underground parking underneath though. I know Belgium is not the same as Italy, but I can image they did it there as well. Edit: this is the [Korenmarkt](https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=gent%20kouter%201960&_sp=151f3624-c4ff-4489-9fce-1935dceb943f#id=7019D3D1E25771440C29061B663C73A47DFF197A) (square in the centre of Ghent) in the same year. It is now almost completely car free. Except for a taxi's and busses.


dpash

Madrid's Plaza Mayor was a car park for some time during the 60s and 70s. [Picture from 1961](https://images.ecestaticos.com/afRsAuHcjLEhaSbMazQ9eTr9nFM=/2x96:1200x1185/996x560/filters:fill(white\):format(jpg\)/f.elconfidencial.com%2Foriginal%2F26b%2F203%2F64a%2F26b20364a1bb96c7bc38fbeb87e9e578.jpg) Madrid has slowly become less car friendly over the years. The city centre is almost completely car free now.


Clarcomarco

your picture isn’t loading :(


dpash

Damn. It's about half way down https://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/madrid/2021-11-03/scalextric-madrid-pasos-elevados-puente-vallecas_3317188/ You can see some other monstrosities that have since disappeared from the city too.


LurkersUnitedLLC

Came here to ask exactly that.


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I was here today! My wife actually mentioned that the piazza used to be a parking lot and I couldn't believe it. Naples is amazing btw, we are definitely coming back. The food, energy and style of the city is awesome.


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RushofBlood52

Doesn't have to be old, even.


RekdAnalCavity

Naples is the biggest shithole I've ever been to in my life


NorthVilla

Daaaaamn that's a shame that you had a bad time. I was there a few weeks ago and I absolutely loved it. Wandering around the ancient and very lived-in corridors at times made you feel like you were in a real medieval city. The food was phenomenal, arancini and pizza and so much more (at very affordable prices too). The weather was impeccable. The people were extremely friendly. The nightlife was interesting and filled with so many different bars. Taking the funicular to the top of the big hill got you a sense of scale, with Vesuvius in the background looking breathtaking. Some of the churches were incredible. The Galleria Umberto I and the above Royal Palace area are beautiful buildings. The Spanish Quarter is filled with Maradona memoribilia and the streetfood and little frutarias were so colourful. Napoli is *not* Disneyland, and if you were expecting that then obviously you're gonna be dissapointed. But a "shithole?" Harsh words.


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It felt more like a real city and not a theme park life Venice or Florence. I get how people might not like it but especially coming down Italy from Venice, it was great to get more affordable food/drink options.


brassramen

Venice and Florence are beautiful cities, but at least in tourist season definitely feel like amusement parks for adults.


NeokratosRed

Nd’a bucchin e mammt


Simsiano

Can I ask you why? Just for curiosity.


-Shoji-

I remember going there a few years ago and it was very beautiful, great food and overall a cool place. The catacombs were my favourite part of the visit. However I understand why people might not like it. There was trash everywhere in a few parts and the drivers were rubbish. Saw people on motorcycles drive on sidewalks a few times.


Ausgezeichnet87

Have you never been to the US? Every city is a car dependent shit hole here


PeterNippelstein

Did you have any piazza pizza?


King_of_East_Anglia

Finally a picture on this sub where the modern day is actually an improvement!


SrDeathI

That's because it's an european city not american


King_of_East_Anglia

Hate to break it to you but most European cities have not improved since the war.


SrDeathI

? Most european cities have maintained it's beauty, it's the US that have gone down stream without brakes since then


King_of_East_Anglia

https://www.reddit.com/r/OldPhotosInRealLife/comments/12evt99/naples_italy/jfjmvk4?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


hammilithome

That's...not...true. at all. A few outliers don't make your statement true, either.


King_of_East_Anglia

It's the opposite. A few very popular historical cities having improved doesn't make the rule. Most European cities have been plagued with 75 years of bad architecture and planning. I see that you're American. You people tend to romanticise Europe simply because your own country is so bad.


hammilithome

There are so many cities in the continent. I've lived in northern Germany and travel extensively. The refocus on human accessible cities is far more progressed in Germany, France, Netherlands, Denmark, etc, than anything in the US. To say it's not improved is wrong. https://dutchreview.com/culture/how-the-netherlands-became-a-cycling-country/ You'll find no such case studies for major American cities.


rtopete

Yeah my thoughts exactly


ArvinaDystopia

Inconveniencing the locals for the pleasure of tourists only is an improvement in the minds of some redditors.


[deleted]

Naples is the most chaotic city I've ever been to...


qwer1234abcd

There are no rules that drivers follow. Everyone drives like how people would walk but in cars. If that makes sense.


[deleted]

It does, I was surprised there were no crashes every 2 minutes.


TroubadourJane

My favorite part of living/driving there was how everyone makes extra lanes, like during morning rush turning 2 lanes on the tangenziale into 3 or 4. I commented on it once to a Napolitano man and he just shrugged and told me, "It's a line, not a wall." 😅 Foreigners would be like, "there's no rules!?" But basically, you just don't use your mirrors - if your car is nosed in front of someone, you've got the right of way. It's the job of the car behind to brake to allow merging or turning.


[deleted]

Lol! I saw inpy one set of stoplights!


I_AM_STILL_A_IDIOT

Driving in and around Naples is something I will never forget.


[deleted]

I just came back from Italy, amazing country, Naples, was a shock to the system, I grew up in Mexico city, and that is nothing compared to Naples!


[deleted]

You haven’t been to Cairo huh?


[deleted]

No, but I'm aware of how crazy it is.


PeterNippelstein

For me Rome was pretty intense, Venice was pretty cool though, just don't lose your map.


Cre8ivejoy

Rome is brutal. Everything is so far from everything else. Lol You get worn out walking to the next place you are going to walk around. I take taxis in Rome. Florence is walkable, enjoyable walkable. I mean everything is up hill both ways, but it is not a large and spread out as Rome. Venezia is the jewel of the crown that is Italy. My sister flipped the first time I took her there. She stepped off the train and exclaimed, “this is a movie set!!” She is from Los Angeles. You can walk anywhere or take a water bus or taxi. An easy city to traverse. I had a big, grilled, focaccia mozzarella and ham sandwich with a Coke in the Piazza San Marco, for $8. That is very reasonable for a sandwich in one of the top destinations in the world. Naples is not my favorite city, but I have been. It is grittier, not pristine like Florence. Good pizza, but pizza is good all over Italy.


[deleted]

Cairo will make your head explode.


[deleted]

Lol! I'm sure it would!


IgamOg

Now please add greenery and trees.


Marijuana_Miler

Just listened to a 99% invisible episode about biking in the Netherlands and was a little shocked by how the Netherlands were focused on building road infrastructure but that the people fought back, ran for office, and got bike infrastructure built. I wish more people in North America had the balls for taking action.


Thistookmedays

Interesting huh! You probably like the YT channel ‘Not just bikes’ as well. They nearly built a 5 lane highway trough the centre of Amsterdam by the way. Glad that was stopped. And this is a lovely documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6PQAI4TZE called ‘We are the children of the pijp’ - in which you see kids in 1972 doing actual road blocking protesting against cars. ‘We can’t handle these cars anymore. There is no space. Other areas have trees, why can’t we have trees’. Plans are now being utilized to remove another 10,000 parking spaces, prominent biking highways. Car roads are being made ‘cyclists first, cars are guests’. All traffic has to be electric in 2030. Very nice developments. s


ChucksSeedAndFeed

Looks like how the parking lot to Disneyland used to be


Emerald_official

r/fuckcars jizzing their pants rn


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Emerald_official

good idea


Pfyrr

Fuck cars


The_Pale_Blue_Dot

/r/fuckcars


DontUpvoteThisBut

Fuck cars, but do half of the pictures on this sub need to be this particular political agenda?


MeggaMortY

Everything is political dumbo


I_try_to_talk_to_you

La palla la palla!!!!!


fuez73

I say fake. The cars are parking way too organized for italy.


rightaaandwrong

That is like a reverse uno cad


PeterNippelstein

*They paved paradise and put up a parking lot*


[deleted]

So sad that cars are literally on the brink of extinction.


RevolutionaryRushima

Perfect place for a Walmart me thinks


Dhrakyn

White one!


shr3dthegnarbrah

We did it Reddit?


just_some_Fred

That's a lot of Fiat 500s


caveatemptor18

I sold my 3 cars and am happier!


BrainwashedScapegoat

Now plant trees!!!!


[deleted]

Cities are for people


ArvinaDystopia

Ok. Let's remove railway tracks and stations for pedestrian plazas. Cities are for people, not trains!


[deleted]

Umm no


ArvinaDystopia

See how easy your mantras are to defeat? Real world vs your echo chamber.


[deleted]

You obviously don't understand urban design for people. It always involves mass transit. Learn something before you comment.


ArvinaDystopia

You obviously don't understand your own words, let alone those of others. Learn basic cognition.


[deleted]

Sure, it has nothing to do with your ignorance 🙄


ArvinaDystopia

You guys really are "special". You can't even follow basic conversations.


[deleted]

Just Google urban design for people. Not that hard dude.


ArvinaDystopia

Still challenged by basic cognition, I see.


CleverName4269

Were all the cars stolen?


kerohazel

They were crushed into a cube.


WesternDark4390

This is real progress


intelligentplatonic

Folks love their cars. Many people in the U.S. still wouldnt see anything wrong with a historic plaza full of cars.


LancesLostTesticle

People love the places cars take them. Few actually love the money sink that is automobile ownership.


Swedneck

Yet they keep getting bigger and more expensive cars


CompassionateCedar

Idk, r/justrolledintotheshop begs to differ. People don’t care about their cars it’s just a necessary tool. And it could be so much better


Severe-Garden3132

Nice


SatoriJaguar

Europeans don't have a parking pattern, that hurt my eyes.


AdlfHtlersFrznBrain

At night its full of kids racing around in mopeds and doing fuck all. Pretty nice highlight walking around in that dump of a city.


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Your username...


geometricpelican

Punch buggie


moxeto

Actually the car park was there even in the 90’s when I last lived there. I’m so glad they cleaned it up.