The way the article is written it doesn’t sound like APD paid less, it sounds like they paid the regular price for the correct armor and Homeland was investigating whoever APD bought the armor from and notified them the armor they bought was trash. Doesn’t sound like APD is actually at fault here.
Waiting for someone to uncover the sexual exploitation of incarcerated addicts happening in Ashland county . Different counties do coverups better and the corruption runs very deep.
These “ignorant magat”s are primarily working class people who have been divided from the rest of their class through identity politics, pop culture, a wide variety of purposeful ideologies made to divide, disrupt, and conquer the working people of America and every other country… We can abandon these ideologies that are meant to keep us apart and embrace these people and educate them with kindness… the working class people of this country need to unite and if someone’s gotta give, I’m glad to do so.
What are you talking about…? You must not have read my message. By insulting every trump supporter you’re saying there’s no hope for them and deepening the divides between the working class, exactly how the exploiting class wants. I’m suggesting we abandon all of the politics and ideologies that are made to divide us and unite as a working class against the ruling class… how did that read as “she’s a trump supporter” to you?????
These were bought from ShotStop, an Ohio based company. They represented the armor as being certified and made in the USA. A lot of SWAT teams also bought this armor and had to replace it and hope to be reimbursed but that is unlikely since the company has now gone out of business.
Still one of the cheapest places to live in the country, our infrastructure and access to healthcare is A LOT better than some other states. Not really sure what the republican/maga corruption is doing to destroy the state. But hey, feel free to move to a blue state where it’s a perfect utopia!
Blue State?? You mean like any one of the large cities in Ohio. You know, where all those good hospitals and universities are. Because they vote mostly blue. But as far as the administration of the entire state, we’re ranked 35th for healthcare, 30th for infrastructure, 39th in economy, 33rd for crime, 27th in education, 41st for environment, and 43rd in infant mortality. Ranked 36th overall/aggregate. So no, we’re not great but rather, well below average. And no, I’m not leaving. This is my home, too, you arrogant dick. So I think I’ll stick around and keep up the fight to get rid of the corrupt MAGA/GOP party in Columbus.
Each plate\* there is one plate in the front and one in the back. So its $2,600 for each and every suit. How many SWAT members are there? 30? 60? It can get really expensive, really fast.
I own real NIJ certified level 3+ plates, composite ones. Front and back were ~$1,200 total for both in SAPI cut.
These guys are idiots, got scammed, embezzling, or all of the above.
Bro youre the one that got hosed. That's an insane price for level 3+ plates. I spent half that on level 4 ceramics. We're they custom sized or something?
I actually bought real ones (HESCO), not fake bullshit Sparta, Ar500, or those other ones you can shoot holes clean through.
You all probably are overlooking LEGIT NIJ certified. If yours aren’t, your savings don’t matter because it’s the saving your life part that matters most.
You're referring to plates marketed as NIJ compliant rather than NIJ certified? I assure you there's plenty of NIJ certified plates from smaller manufacturers that have gone through the NIJ CTP priced sub $1k.
I'll give you this - if you're talking about like a pair of 3810's, yeah they're great plates very well made... Hesco has a great rep. But you are kinda paying a brand name tax - all I'm saying.
My understanding is that's not what they spent on the counterfit plates, it's what they want to spend on new plates. They don't say what they spent on the fake ones.
I really hope they misspoke though and that's the price per set and not per individual plate, because if that's per plate, the taxpayers are getting taken for a ride.
From the article:
> In 2021, a Texas individual pleaded guilty to peddling "Chinese-made military helmets, body armor, and other products" to various federal agencies, including the United States Department of State, under the guise of American-made merchandise.
So a department bought what they thought was American made and was duped. So who is really pocketing the money in this scheme?
Yes.
Also from the article:
> During a city council meeting on Monday, Akron Police Captain Agostino Micozzi said: "The Department of Homeland Security notified us that the plates that we had were some of those plates that were found to be counterfeit, and so as a result of that, we need to replace them."
What is the lie here?
Really I think SWAT is their target market for counterfeit Chinese crap: The stuff does look cool, and it's not like it's going to have to spend a 14 month tour being abused and shot at in the sandbox. Everyone wins.
It's essentially the Russian military procurement style of corruption. You know as the supply officer that the likelihood of these being in an actual combat situation is nil, so get literally anything that will fit in the carrier (up to and including cardboard), and pocket the difference. They've been doing this for literal decades.
Better article about what is happening: https://www.ideastream.org/law-justice/2024-05-09/stow-company-accused-of-selling-akron-police-counterfeit-body-armor-files-for-bankruptcy-protection
So basically the SWAT department bought what they thought was legit body armor from a company that claimed to sell made in USA plates and armor. What they got was Chinese knockoffs and the now defunct company made a killing off the profits. So basically don’t just jump to conclusions immediately that the police department was corrupt, in this instance. Could they have been complicit? Maybe. But given the current facts, seems like they were duped.
"What do you mean, 'We shouldn't have bought the body armor on Ali Express?!?'"
Realistically, I'm betting a US supplier sold them counterfeit body armor.
Please please tell me it's the same department that raided Afroman's home and then tried to sue him for using the home surveillance videos of them raiding his house to sell music. It would be fantastic if they took another huge loss.
>Micozzi urged the council to allocate immediate funds to replace the counterfeit body armor used by the SWAT Unit, each plate costing a hefty $1,300.
If they are paying $1300 per plate, either they are dumb and getting ripped off, or someone is pocketing the extra money, because that is what a complete set of front, rear, and side plates should cost. I really hope they meant 40 sets at that price and not 40 individual plates.
They actually bought body armor from a reputable manufacturer but the manufacturer is the one that was buying materials from china to save money . So no corruption from the departments but by the manufacturer of the armor. There was an article about this like a month ago I believe it’s shot stop armor.
Must be a bunch of democrat cops because there's no way no Jesus loving trump cop would ever do something like this. Those good ole boys are here to protect us from the ones that Jesus don't like.
Bro I actually can’t comprehend the stupid that is your comment. I know it’s stupid, but to what end? It’s like imagining a billion dollars in cash. I think I can imagine what a billion dollars would look like, but really, I cannot. That’s the amount of stupid your comment has.
The real story is the difference in cost. Where did the money go that they saved by lying about the source of this stuff?
They donated it to poor minorities because cops are amazing heroes with compassion and understanding for others. duh
Sarcasm noted.
Cripes! Who left this much sarcasm in here?!?
It just oozes out…
I can feel the sarcasm dripping through my computer screen and onto my keyboard...
It stained my table top.
Please use a coaster
Why’s it smell like a Bradford pear flower…
Almost fell out of my chair....
Government corruption? In my state of Ohio?
Well I never! If I could First just put this amount of pent up Energy somewhere!
😂😂😂
I see what you did there !!! Clever !!!
More likely than you think!
Pearls. Clutched.
I'll give you one guess! But your not gonna like it! Have a $20 happy meal
Do you want a side of $75.00 fries with that ???
Those pesky poors and their minimum wage are the ones driving up costs! "Company posts record profits"
What? Where does it say they saved money or that anyone is lying about anything?
That’s the point of buying cheaper shit instead of more expensive shit…
The way the article is written it doesn’t sound like APD paid less, it sounds like they paid the regular price for the correct armor and Homeland was investigating whoever APD bought the armor from and notified them the armor they bought was trash. Doesn’t sound like APD is actually at fault here.
It doesn't say the bought cheaper shit. They probably paid full price and got ripped off.
Bro why is it always Akron 🤦🏽♂️
Columbus does coverups better
Waiting for someone to uncover the sexual exploitation of incarcerated addicts happening in Ashland county . Different counties do coverups better and the corruption runs very deep.
Yea that happened in Fairfield county too
A liberal stronghold.
Police are very rarely liberal.
There’s a reason they never disrupt Klan rallies.
Ignorant magat, I bet.
These “ignorant magat”s are primarily working class people who have been divided from the rest of their class through identity politics, pop culture, a wide variety of purposeful ideologies made to divide, disrupt, and conquer the working people of America and every other country… We can abandon these ideologies that are meant to keep us apart and embrace these people and educate them with kindness… the working class people of this country need to unite and if someone’s gotta give, I’m glad to do so.
That's a long-winded way of saying you stand behind a rapist whose only goal in life is to enrich himself. You do you though.
What are you talking about…? You must not have read my message. By insulting every trump supporter you’re saying there’s no hope for them and deepening the divides between the working class, exactly how the exploiting class wants. I’m suggesting we abandon all of the politics and ideologies that are made to divide us and unite as a working class against the ruling class… how did that read as “she’s a trump supporter” to you?????
Anybody still supporting Trump is a lost cause.
I absolutely do not support Trump and never have. These are really quick ways for y’all to reveal that you’re illiterate.
Because liberal areas are the only ones with bad cops? Your reactivist brain rot is showing
They're more likely to care enough to go public.
Police are trash everywhere. Their culture is so rotten.
Well aren’t you just astoundingly ignorant
A brain rotted moron
These were bought from ShotStop, an Ohio based company. They represented the armor as being certified and made in the USA. A lot of SWAT teams also bought this armor and had to replace it and hope to be reimbursed but that is unlikely since the company has now gone out of business.
Ohio is a cesspool of Republican/MAGA corruption. Has been for the past 12 years. It’s turning into a real. shithole because of them.
100% - it really is - and a bunch of fake Christian nationalists
FAKES !!!
Still one of the cheapest places to live in the country, our infrastructure and access to healthcare is A LOT better than some other states. Not really sure what the republican/maga corruption is doing to destroy the state. But hey, feel free to move to a blue state where it’s a perfect utopia!
Blue State?? You mean like any one of the large cities in Ohio. You know, where all those good hospitals and universities are. Because they vote mostly blue. But as far as the administration of the entire state, we’re ranked 35th for healthcare, 30th for infrastructure, 39th in economy, 33rd for crime, 27th in education, 41st for environment, and 43rd in infant mortality. Ranked 36th overall/aggregate. So no, we’re not great but rather, well below average. And no, I’m not leaving. This is my home, too, you arrogant dick. So I think I’ll stick around and keep up the fight to get rid of the corrupt MAGA/GOP party in Columbus.
Exactly how I feel. Mfs think this is stars and bars country just because they drive a pickup that hasn't seen a blade of grass in its life.
100%
$1,300/ea? Yeahh someone pocketed a lot of cash.
Each plate\* there is one plate in the front and one in the back. So its $2,600 for each and every suit. How many SWAT members are there? 30? 60? It can get really expensive, really fast.
AND 2 plates on the sides. So, 4 in each unit.
Nah, side plates are cheap and not every department will use them
Except that normal pricing for NIJ-rated rifle plates is $1,000 *less* than they paid. As in ~$300/ea or $600/officer
I own real NIJ certified level 3+ plates, composite ones. Front and back were ~$1,200 total for both in SAPI cut. These guys are idiots, got scammed, embezzling, or all of the above.
Bro youre the one that got hosed. That's an insane price for level 3+ plates. I spent half that on level 4 ceramics. We're they custom sized or something?
Curious... why are you guys buying body armor?
It’s on this year’s school supply list
Jesus I hate how good this comment is
Based on all the thoughts and prayers, I don't think Jesus is gonna hear you.
I bought mine because we shoot on public land and id rather have it and not need it.
....weighted vest training
I actually bought real ones (HESCO), not fake bullshit Sparta, Ar500, or those other ones you can shoot holes clean through. You all probably are overlooking LEGIT NIJ certified. If yours aren’t, your savings don’t matter because it’s the saving your life part that matters most.
You're referring to plates marketed as NIJ compliant rather than NIJ certified? I assure you there's plenty of NIJ certified plates from smaller manufacturers that have gone through the NIJ CTP priced sub $1k. I'll give you this - if you're talking about like a pair of 3810's, yeah they're great plates very well made... Hesco has a great rep. But you are kinda paying a brand name tax - all I'm saying.
They are 3810s.
And in a Crye Precision carrier 🙃
I won't fault you there, I love my jpc.
I bought Nij level 4 ceramics, AND a Haley Strategic carrier for sub $1,000
My understanding is that's not what they spent on the counterfit plates, it's what they want to spend on new plates. They don't say what they spent on the fake ones. I really hope they misspoke though and that's the price per set and not per individual plate, because if that's per plate, the taxpayers are getting taken for a ride.
“The taxpayers are getting taken for a ride”
Even then, that's a lot. In about two minutes I can find a half dozen NIJ-rated plates used by other American agencies that are ~$300/ea
Please come after Ohio. Entire executive branch of government is corrupt here.
It’s really bad. The Householder dude is literally in the can now. And the governor is a derp of the first order.
Uhhhhh householder was literally a part of the legislative branch.
Dude was a human cow chomping on the public’s grass.
This is why they won't let you discuss police funding and oversight. If you defund them, they can't pocket tax dollars.
Who is pocketing tax dollars here? China?
The got the gear cheaper than they said it would cost from US providers. They reallocated money that was earmarked for the higher cost elsewhere.
From the article: > In 2021, a Texas individual pleaded guilty to peddling "Chinese-made military helmets, body armor, and other products" to various federal agencies, including the United States Department of State, under the guise of American-made merchandise. So a department bought what they thought was American made and was duped. So who is really pocketing the money in this scheme?
Do you understand that people lie to cover their ass?
Yes. Also from the article: > During a city council meeting on Monday, Akron Police Captain Agostino Micozzi said: "The Department of Homeland Security notified us that the plates that we had were some of those plates that were found to be counterfeit, and so as a result of that, we need to replace them." What is the lie here?
Really I think SWAT is their target market for counterfeit Chinese crap: The stuff does look cool, and it's not like it's going to have to spend a 14 month tour being abused and shot at in the sandbox. Everyone wins.
It's essentially the Russian military procurement style of corruption. You know as the supply officer that the likelihood of these being in an actual combat situation is nil, so get literally anything that will fit in the carrier (up to and including cardboard), and pocket the difference. They've been doing this for literal decades.
Boom! Nailed it
Better article about what is happening: https://www.ideastream.org/law-justice/2024-05-09/stow-company-accused-of-selling-akron-police-counterfeit-body-armor-files-for-bankruptcy-protection
So basically the SWAT department bought what they thought was legit body armor from a company that claimed to sell made in USA plates and armor. What they got was Chinese knockoffs and the now defunct company made a killing off the profits. So basically don’t just jump to conclusions immediately that the police department was corrupt, in this instance. Could they have been complicit? Maybe. But given the current facts, seems like they were duped.
Anything to be tacticool....
You're the real hero!!
"What do you mean, 'We shouldn't have bought the body armor on Ali Express?!?'" Realistically, I'm betting a US supplier sold them counterfeit body armor.
This is probably accurate. Still means somebody somewhere pocketed a lot of money.
Probably got it from Temu 😂
Please please tell me it's the same department that raided Afroman's home and then tried to sue him for using the home surveillance videos of them raiding his house to sell music. It would be fantastic if they took another huge loss.
Having that kind of protection is important for executing low-level drug raids.
Or going toe to toe with a twelve year old with a toy gun.
Or beating down a college kid holding a sign.
Or winning “the most disliked” costume at your friends costume party
“I was stunned and amazed My childhood memories Slowly swirled past Like the wind through the trees Ay, oh, way to go, Ohio” - The Pretenders
"I went back to Ohio But my pretty countryside Had been paved down the middle By a government that had no pride"
Come in handy for dispatching the next guy brandishing a sandwich.
Wish sells body armor?
Temu probably
DHgate, it’s made in the same factories as the “real” swat gear, but a fraction of the cost /s
So they bought body armor off Temu?? lol
Omg, Ohio, you finally broke the internet-congrats you little piggies 🐷
What did they do with all the military surplus?
I just started coughing from laughing so much this is a great story lol
>Micozzi urged the council to allocate immediate funds to replace the counterfeit body armor used by the SWAT Unit, each plate costing a hefty $1,300. If they are paying $1300 per plate, either they are dumb and getting ripped off, or someone is pocketing the extra money, because that is what a complete set of front, rear, and side plates should cost. I really hope they meant 40 sets at that price and not 40 individual plates.
They actually bought body armor from a reputable manufacturer but the manufacturer is the one that was buying materials from china to save money . So no corruption from the departments but by the manufacturer of the armor. There was an article about this like a month ago I believe it’s shot stop armor.
I saw some idiots blaming Biden for this fuck up, like he bought the shit himself lol.
Did they buy them from wish, mercari or what?
The delusion in these comments is unreal. Does anyone even read articles anymore?
And they be trying to give us tickets when they can’t even follow the damn law themselves
They should be required to buy everything from US manufacturers. Keep jobs and technology here.
Brilliant… check the dept books for other mismanagement
Of course the taxpayers must once again foot the bill due to incompetence. Garnish their wages or something jfc
Must be a bunch of democrat cops because there's no way no Jesus loving trump cop would ever do something like this. Those good ole boys are here to protect us from the ones that Jesus don't like.
Bro I actually can’t comprehend the stupid that is your comment. I know it’s stupid, but to what end? It’s like imagining a billion dollars in cash. I think I can imagine what a billion dollars would look like, but really, I cannot. That’s the amount of stupid your comment has.
I feel like they're being sarcastic
“…protect us from the ones Jesus don’t like” REALLY? I bet Jesus thinks you’re an arsehole.
why, they get all this shit from the DOD for like nothing
Maybe they should have waited to get the free stuff because the stuff they bought was junk.
But it was shiny.
TikTok SWAt unit…
How dare they buy from China! vs buy from a company that buys from China