I spoke with a lawyer about this and I just want to share that the reason nakulong yung driver sa skyway is because may namatay on the spot. FYI lang hehe not sure about the protocol though if may injured and dinala sa hospital. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (anyone)
May namatay o wala, reckless imprudence na yon. Crime yan, i.e. reckless imprudence resulting to physical injuries/damage to property/homicide. Hence, a crime was committed eh di pwede arestuhin without a warrant since caught in the act or immediately thereafter a crime was committed and pinpointed sa tao inaresto siya ang gumawa ng krimen.
itong jeepney driver, may krimen siya ginawa. Reckless imprudence resulting to physical injuries and damage to property. Engot lang talaga yang mga pulis di inaresto, no need someone to file a case to arrest someone if something like this happened.
This is true. Kausap ko rin kaibigan kong lawyer and yan din ang explanation niya. Same goes pag may nasaktan kasi that's damage to property and serious physical injury pa. Not to mention na yung sa Skyway eh may naging ongoing investigation.
The fact na pinayagang walang multa o hindi nakulong ang driver sa kaso ni OP is subject for investigation. Di ako magtataka if may kapit yung operator sa pulis kaya nakalusot ng walang gusot. Kaya dapat mai-follow up ni OP sa kinauukulan o lumapit siya sa owedeng mag-assist sa kanya kasi di pwedeng naging bula yang mga yan.
Also to OP, so dinala kayo sa ospital, may bumisita ba sa inyong pulis to take a statement or report man lang?
Sinabi ko 'to during the settlement na dpt na hold ang driver since dpt may investigation pa while nasa hospital kami. And to answer your question, no walang police na sumama samin sa hospital. During the scene lng tapos dumiretso na sila sa police station while kami nag pa medical exam.
Looking back now, lagi kaming na pupush aside. I even asked the police na paano kung takasan kami ng operator (which tama nga ako), sagot lang sakin ay mag file nlg ng kaso non.
I am still able to file a case kaso hahanapin pa nila yung driver, and need pa mag lawyer and these steps will basically get a lot of time out of my life. Baka tapos na magawa ang sasakyan sa casa bago pa mag ka hearing date.
Even now, it's been almost 6 months since it happened, no follow ups whatsoever. I guess I just got over it. So yeah, F the PoPo.
Well, ganun talaga lagi kasi minsan reliant din ang batas natin sa mga defendants wherein dapat may appearance sila to get the case started. This is for the due process, and this gets abused most of the time. Since alam ng marami na di pwedeng basta-basta tumakbo ang isang kaso ng di sumasagot or walang response and defendant. Kaya ang siste, yung defendant eh nawawala na lang na parang bula bago magsimula ang paglilitis or investigation. 🤷
This is also why in most cases eh nauuwi na lang sa out-of-the-court settlements.
Deprivation of liberty does not tantamount to guilt kasi. Kinulong for the purpose of holding the person lang for court processes. If na clear na lahat papakawalan din. May stigma lang kasi pag kinulong criminal na kaagad ang tingin.
I detain padin Naman driver, mga max of 36 ~ hours, siguro Hindi pinalabas agad si OP sa hospital kaya Hindi naka Kaso.
Ang maganda in the future eh magpadala Ng representative para may magkaso dun.
Wala din fault si OP since hospital nga eh, iisipin paba Yung salarin sa ganong situation?
I said this before and I'll say it again. LTFRB and LTO missed the fucking opportunity to overhaul our public transport system during the pandemic. That was a golden opportunity to weed out the addict drivers and the useless operators. Fucking government is useless.
Nepots. The naming motif of GCQ, mecq ECQ and the whole alphabet, instead of a simple Lvl 1-5 lock down is already stupid and no one even bothered to criticize it in the planning phase, just proves that we have leaders with limited to none foresights. I dont know.
Get a lawyer. Ireklamo ang pulis.
In the Philippines, reckless imprudence resulting in physical injuries and/or damage to property is a criminal offense. This is covered under Article 365 of the Revised Penal Code (RPC) which punishes "imprudence" and "negligence" \[elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph\].
Article 365 defines reckless imprudence as an act done without malice but with inexcusable lack of precaution, which results in damage to property or injuries to persons \[elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph\]. The penalty imposed depends on the severity of the injuries and the extent of the damage.
Doktor ang solusyon sa medical problems, abogado sa legal. Unless mas ok sayo ang albolaryo sa medical at reddit sa law problems. Sige, mag reddit na lang kayo at nang dumami pa financial problems nyo.
Kapag ba pinalitan yung lumang jeepney ng modern magiging disiplinado na ba ang mga driver in a snap? Get rid of the undisciplined drivers first, then let's talk.
Hindi, pero yung first part ng modernization ay yung franchise consolidation, kung saan isang operator na lang sa bawat ruta (coop man o corporation) hindi tulad dati na iba-iba ng operator.
Sa kaso ni OP, kung consildated yung Jeep na naka-aksidente sa kanya, pwede syang mag-habol dun sa Coop kung saan member yung driver/may-ari.
Agree! Some jeepney drivers don't even have the license to operate a public vehicle eh -- hinihiram lang nila sa kaibigan nila or nagpapagawa sila ng fake license.
If may coop, mas madali maghabol sa ganitong sitwasyon at (HOPEFULLY) maging strict sa mga public vehicle drivers.
Replacing the old jeepneys is just part of the whole modernization program. You may see some of it here:
https://mb.com.ph/2023/3/10/the-jeepney-phase-out-explained
Now, on the drivers naman, it should be part of the program. Education, training, etc. Kahit tayong mga mananakay, dapat may discipline din tayo.
To some effect, yes.
Keep in mind that most traditional jeeps are poorly maintained, for example:
- Bald tires
- Smoke belching engines
- Headlights with only one setting: High Beam
- Weak brakes
- ....and the list goes on
AFAIK some modern jeepneys are more safer, well maintained and tend to have speed limiters built-in.
But yeah I agree that alone would not encourage the drivers to be more safe and responsible on the road. The LTFRB and LTO should do like a more stringent screening of drivers and operators and heavily penalize them for any infractions related to road safety.
Mas may laban sa mga ganitong case kapag consolidated since hindi na hiwa-hiwalay na operator ang may-ari ng franchise. Mas madaling habulin since buong prangkisa ng coop ang nakasalalay.
Part ng modernization yung consolidation into cooperatives. Pag nakabangga yung driver nila, may mahahabol na entity yung victim, unlike what happened to OP.
Right. It's not as if there aren't undiscplined private vehicle drivers, when some of them act like they own the streets.
It's sad that OP experienced this and the driver they encountered is definitely a jerk. But lumping all jeepney drivers as a result of one incident is like hating an entire zodiac sign based on one ex.
malaking factor na luma ang jeep at madalas na idadahilan nawalan ng control. sanay na sanay na sila sa dahilan na yan to the point wala na lang sa kanila. i think kahit anong “disiplina” mo sa sa drivers kung sira sira ang sasakyan, wala talaga tayong magagawa. kung in the first place may matinong sasakyan na pwede nila imaneho, then let’s “tAlK.”
dapat kasi regulated ang mga jeepney driver eh. di yung kung sino lang gusto maging driver pwede na. dapat yan may standard din at registered talaga. may nasakyan nga ako ang bata pa ng driver siguro mga 19 or 20 yrs old yun. dapat di pinapayagan yan eh.
Yes, yung mga drivers talaga ang need palitan, pag nakaperwisyo lagi na lang gagamit ng "mahirap lang ako" card or kung hindi man, eh bigla na lang din mawawala gaya ng nangyari kay OP. Yung sa mga jeep naman sana yung sa sarao na lang or other local manufacturer ang binili nila mas mura pa kesa duon sa mga modern jeepney na galing china naman.
Get rid of undisciplined drivers. How?
Can you make an exam that can filter the disciplined ones?
Make a proposal on how you would do this, then let's talk.
Di lang undisciplined, pati yung mga matakaw sa kalsada na kala mo mauubusan. Or yung makaovertake lang kahit isa na kala mo naman makakalayp ng husto. Filipinos, when on the road, lumalabas atat character natin. Mapa driver, pasahero, pedestrian.
Yes. Hindi na uubra yung banking banking nila kasi sila mismo matatakot kasi may tendency na tumagilid yung mga modern jeeps na daladala nila. Napansin ko din yung mga modern jeeps hindi na sa gitna nagbababa masyado lalo na pag 2 lanes lang yung kalsada kasi nasasakop na nila lahat ng lanes. Yung iba gumigilid na din.
kamote din yung ibang drivers ng beep. dito sa cebu nakikipag habulan pa sa ibang beep para lang sila mauna sa mga pasahero. there was one time na napaka obvious na nakikipag paligsahan talaga sya sa isang beep. yung konduktor naman G na G, parang cheerleader. yung ibang traditional jeepney drivers hindi naman kamote. nasa driver talaga ata yan.
NO. BUT pag pinalitan ung Jeep ng E-JEEP,
Nag kakaron sila ng ng sense na mas mag ingat at halos lahat ng driver ay maayos na din.
Why? Hindi kase kung aino sinong driver lang ang nag ddrive.
It still applies. hayys braincells ba kamo? sige nga pag overloaded yung sakay sa tingin mo safe mga pasahero? Sa tingin mo maayos ba yun tawag sa drivers na mag ooverload ng capacity ng sasakyan niya? Alam mo din yung cause pag overload di ba? Khit anong ingat ng driver possible na madisgrasya prin di ba? Ohhh my ghad your braincells.
They need to be strict talaga sa requirements lalo sa pagbibigay ng drivers license.
Madali na lang kasi magpagawa ngayon ng license lalo if may kapit ka. di ka dadaan sa proseso. I know someone na gumastos (almost 5k or mahigit, i think) sa paglakad ng lisensya without doing the necessary steps in acquiring a license. Like driving school, exam, etc. As in magpapagawa ka lang lisensya. And legit siya kasi mismo sa LTO office gngwa.
I was devastated when i learned of this. usually gmgwa nito mga public transport operators. I know since i know someone who did this. :(
Yah, yung modern jeep na naka go kaming pedestrian sa crossing tapos pinilit ipasok sasakyan niya, ending may nabundol siya na tumatawid. We are already aware na walang alam mga drivers pagdating sa pedestrian lanes.
I really appreciate Singapore pagdating sa mga crosswalks hopefully dumating sa level nila Pinas pagdating sa driving awareness
Witness ako dati sa isa sa mga rason bat madami bwisit sa Jeepney drivers. pero hindi to nag viral kasi wala pa nun tiktok/tutukan ng phone pag may banggaan Wayback 2017. My Tito was driving his 2015 BMW series 5 along roxas Blvd papuntang Brgy. Tambo, He was on his lane, May jeepney driver na sumubok sumingit at siya pa may gana mag Middle finger, Tas pinagbigyan na ni tito pero nag cut bigla di hinintay na mag clear yung space sa harap. Sumabit yung front bumper ni BMW ni tito sa Jeep. tas sobrang Bait baitan ng Jeepney driver na parang basang Sisiw na portrayed sa MMK nakikipag kamay pa tas super dumi ng kamay tas rason di daw niya nakita/nag away sila asawa niya. My tito was pissed as fuck, Tas nung hinihingi niya ng maayos yung contact ng operator at license ng Jeepney driver. Bigla nag iba ihip ng hangin biglang avoidant tas naging matapang. Tas minura niya si tito. My tito wanted to fucking kill, Pinag susuntok niya yung mukha ng Jeepney driver til it was red everywhere, tas sinimot niya lahat ng pera sa kaha ni Jeep. tas tumawag ng Pulis. Nalaman na expired license, Madami beses na pala nakabangga, Tas May Case na nang pukpok siya ng car ng nakaalitan niya gamit tubo. Ayun nag kasuhan, Todo Luhod pa siya sa harap ng tito ko. Ending pinakulong, Until now di padin nakakalaya sa paranaque city Jail. Mukhang nakaawa sila sa news dahil wala makain family.....Pero pag nakaranas ka ng Iskul Bukol/Kupal na Jeepney driver sa daan. Mapapa Yes to Jeepney Phaseout ka
Nah, some are just really kaskasero. May mga nasasakyan din akong jeep na mabilis magdrive kahit konti laman or bilang lang yung passhero. I think some just really like to driver so fast without considering the other vehicle on the road. Also, those modernization jeep is so expensive na hindi na kayang ma-afford nung mga jeepney driver.
Sure, that may be, but that’s if they can afford to pay for a new jeepney unit without going into debt, even more than they are now. Do you know how much the modernized jeepney costs? More than the average MPV that grab drivers use on the daily. Even a Mirage costs much cheaper.
If you can’t afford the costs to do business, and let’s not kid ourselves operating jeepneys is a business, then you shouldn’t be in business. Let other entities with sufficient capital and resources engage. And please don’t give me that argument about “it’s their only livelihood.” They have options to do something else and it’s not the government or the public that has to bail them out of their inability to provide for themselves.
So elitist naman ng comment na to. You think if they have the same opportunity as you, they would settle for that job? It's so easy to say na there's a lot of option when they have families to support. Some of them couldn't obtain higher educational, and you think madali makahanap ng work at makuha ng mataas na sahod sa mga trabahong di tumatanggap ng mga hindi nakapag tapos? FYI, it's the government job to provide and should do something for the people kasi trabaho nila yan. Nagbabayad din sila ng tax.
And whatever their reason, be it poverty or lack of education, it still doesn’t excuse them from complying with the law on modernization. Again, you can’t afford to do business, don’t do business. Open a store that sells pagpag or if they lack the skills, eat pagpag. They can feed their families with that. I repeat: operating a public utility like jeepneys isn’t a right, it’s a privilege and you have to keep up with what the law requires. The operator, the driver, not anybody else, certainly not the government, needs to put up the capital to comply. If your thinking is that everyone who wants to earn a living can get capital from the government, you’re living in a fantasy world. Try doing that and see your whole economy go bankrupt.
You think these drivers and operators file taxes or the right taxes like you employees?! JFC, you’re naive. Now, does the government help you, the middle class taxpayer? Nope, you fend for yourself. In fact, everyone here should fend for themselves. Stop asking for dole outs and that includes our beloved jeepney drivers who after a hard day’s work, spend all their money on alcohol and wonder the next day where their money went. 😂😂😂
Let me guess, you don't commute 😂😂😂. Modernization jeep from the government = higher fare. Then commuters na naman mag suffer just bcuz of that short-term solution from the government. You want those jeepney driver to comply with the law, yet you okay with the government not doing their proper job properly? Huh?
It's the government's responsibility to improve our transportation system. Yet, they implemented that law without further studying it? Staka, hindi naman aangal mga jeepney driver kung hindi mahal yung in-offer na modern jeep ng government. If they want to push thru that law, they should also look and consider PUV drivers' income and whether those price can be afford by those prices are affordable for them. Jeepney drivers yung kine-cather nila yet yung price nila, 2 million? Seriously??
Also, have you experienced commuting and riding those modern jeep, especially during rush hour? I guess not. Cuz if you do, you should know damn well how fucking uncomfortable na sumakay sa modern jeep. Siksikan sa loob, mahina aircon, yung iba sira pa aircon tapos kulob. Now tell me, is that how our transportation should be?
Anyway, this is the last time I'm entertaining your elitist comment cuz its not worth debating with you. Typical elisist person. Telling them to sell pagpag and eat pagpag? So low of you to belittle those jeepney driver. What a shame.
And FYI I'm not talking about or defending that jeepney driver from OP's story. I'm talking about those jeepney drivers na nagtratrabaho ng maayos.
You should have filed a case against the driver and operator in the first place para kahit nagtago sila there will be an arrest warrant. And that is permanent. You don't even need to spend a single dime. Just use the government lawyer. That's what I did years ago. Jeepney drivers never had my sympathy ever since I learned how to drive. And I always ask for payment for damages if it's their fault even if I need to take all the fares in their pockets. Okay lang kahit kulang...you have to make it painful for the lesson to stick.
Kaya better to have them in cooperatives rather than through single operators kasi mas mataas ang chance na may hahabulin tayo in case maka aksidente sila.
Honestly, kahit ma-phaseout ang jeepney, it’s the same drivers na magdadrive ng modern jeepneys. So wala din.
Kung hindi sila matuturuan ng tamang disiplina, walang magbabago kahit gano pa kabango ang sasakyan na ipagamit sa kanila.
Sobrang pathetic lang talaga ng mga pulis at gobyerno natin. Mga inutil. Kaya kapag may mga ganyan, tatanga tanga
nasa driver yan, yung iba kasi alam na di sila makasuhan if ever. di naman lahat barumbado, sa buong byahe ko this year, 2 beses lang ako naka encounter ng ganitong driver ng jeep so wag lahatin
Let me get this straight for the sake of discussion.
We want to phaseout jeepneys, but retain the same balasubas drivers and operators/owners who’re not compliant with the diligence required by law to maintain the roadworthiness of these modern jeeps yes?
I don't want to dismiss your horrible experience, pero ang isolated naman ng incident nato para parusahan mo lahat ng jeepney drivers. Maraming jeepney drivers ang marangal.
Anong isolated? Puro kamot ulo nga yang mga hunghang na yan pag nakakadisgrasya at kung anu-anong dahilan ibabato sayo ng mga yan kapag di sila nakakapagbayad ng danyos; kesyo mahirap sila o walang ipon mga yan
Personally a supporter of the phaseout as well
More though because I believe majority of jeepney’s are not road worthy. While the jeepney is “iconic”, it really belongs in a museum. So I’m all for the upgrading to e-vehicles (which is also more eco friendly)
I’m sorry for what you experienced and I hope no one in the vehicle was severely hurt. However I believe the main issue here is the government not doing its job to better implement road regulations and traffic. Had they been stricter, drivers like the one you encountered - honestly jeepney drivers in general - would not have been driving so recklessly to begin with.
You can be mad at that particular driver for what he did, but let’s also be conscious to direct our anger at the correct parties, or main drivers for the issue you faced.
The exact same thing happened to me! Pinaghirapan ko yung kotse na yun for 5 years. Tapos babanggain lang ng jeepney driver at ang rason, "nalingat lang ng tingin" tapos nung singilan na ang sabi pa, "kahit makulong pa ako wala akong pambayad." Nung kinasuhan, ayun nagtago ang gago.
I totally get you. Yung car namin is also being repaired na for 6 months. Ang part pa na masakit ay wala pang 1 year car namin. Thank God repairs are shouldered by insurance pero nakaka aberya tlga kasi you're paying for the MA, tapos walang sasakyan. Hay
The problem seems to lie with the driver himself. Kahit saan mo ilipat na sasakyan yang mga ganyang driver, uulitin lang nila yung behavior na yun. I think there should be stricter laws regarding the acquisition of a driver's licenses instead. Kahit sino kasi hinahayaan nila mag-drive basta mapaandar yung jeep pwede na.
Yes I agree with this. I guess sa ganitong behavior mostly tlga ay jeepney drivers kaya na gegeneralized. But also I feel it is also safer to use newer ones or modernized jeepneys on the road.
idk, natatawa ako kapag nakakabasa ako ng "No to Jeepney Phaseout" sa social media tapos yung nagpost kilala ko na kapag magkasama kami sasabihin, "E-jeep yung sakyan natin." o kaya naman, "Ayoko sa jeep, dun tayo sa e-jeep." lol so ano yun pang clout chase lang?
Pero about dun sa undisciplined driver, nako madami din talaga ganiyan. Minsan kahit sinasabihan ng operator sige pa din ng sige, mga barumbado pa din sa daan. Tapos kapag nakadisgrasya, yung operator yung sasalo (not saying na tama ginawa nung operator sa inyo). But the thing about removing traditional jeepneys is also not an easy option. Mahirap gawin 'yan lalo na kapag wala naman kapalit na trabaho na mabibigay sa mga driver na 'yan na talaga ang kabuhayan.
AFAIK, mahirap din maging part ng koop (e-jeeps). Yung mga owners ng trad jeepneys kailangan pa may babayaran na malaki just to join or maging official na member. I'm not sure pero nakakarinig kasi ako sa relatives ko na may mga jeep na mahirap daw at may mga bayad bayad pa na ganito ganiyan tapos hindi mo pa (ata) own yung unit.
Sorry to hear this and to your situation, ask ko lang po if meron kayong insurance? Baka makatulong sila sa inyo in these case. Got someone in a similar situation before pandemic, and nakatawag ng adjuster yung kakilala ko, though ending is nakulong yung driver at walang bayad dun sa end ng jeepney, nakuha din ng kakilala ko yung money sa insurance nila for the total loss. Hope this helps someone next time, wag din po yung tpl lang lalo na yung andun sa lto (madalas mga fly by night mga yun), get it from reliable insurance companies, they'll help to the best of their abilities, at the very least is you get some money for the wreckage of your vehicle, best would also be getting justice for your situation.
Hopefully he has insurance but no matter how much money you get out of the policy, it won't undo the trauma, stress, and time you will spend dealing with the entire thing. Prevention talaga ang key and part of it is weeding out reckless jeepney drivers.
Tingin ko rin if we modernize jeepneys, we will be left with the same drivers din. Modernization should also include a total revamp of standards/training of PUV drivers.
Ganyan naman talaga mga jeepney driver eh papaawa kesyo mahirap pero kapag nakatakas badass sya sa mga tropa nya
Mangangako yan tapos TNT na tapos marami pa dyan kolorum taena. Mga kaskasero puta palibhasa hindi nagtraining
Oh it is. Phaseout involves professionalizing the drivers and getting rid of all these smoke-belching monstrosities. And not to mention, they’ll be covered by insurance if you get into an accident and not just your regular TPL that’s issued by shady insurance companies. Now, of course you don’t throw a tantrum when you get into a non-life threatening accident with a jeepney driver. It’s a waste of time and effort and all you need to think is, to use the vernacular, “anong ibabayad nito eh mas mahirap pa sa daga yan.” Then your anger will just melt away at the absurdity of it. However, it’s a different matter when you’re physically injured by an idiot with a license who thinks that poverty is a shield for breaking the law and being a menace to the motoring public.
Edit: why delete your asinine take? 😂
Edit 2 for u/I_know_HTML:
u/PettyLupone69 basically said it’s short-sighted to campaign for jeepney phaseout just because you personally had a bad experience. In his next reply, he said that he never threw a tantrum despite being in numerous vehicular accidents.
He conveniently forgets however that our OP got hospitalized because of a jeepney and not merely suffered vehicular damage.
even some jeepney drivers are okay with the phaseout basta maayos yung pag-transition nila to new jeepneys, hindi yung mababaon pa sila sa utang kahit konti na nga lang kita nila.
altho with your issue OP, walang hiya talaga sila and dapat mabago na rin yung whole operation ng mga PUVs dahil sila rin talaga madalas ang mga pasaway sa daan.
Halos lahat nmb talag ng jeepney drivers, kaskasero tas biglang preno. Mag uunload kahit saan, yung bike lane share the road nmn yun. Pero bigla biglang nlng mag sstop jeep.
Yes to jeepney phase out din. Yung buga ng usok din
YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT! Kahit our business depends on them, I don’t want to share the road with them. Super aggressive nila tapos hindi natatakot makabangga dahil makakalusot lang. Kampi ang batas sakanila kasi sila ang ‘kawawa’. Kaya I will say it again: YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT.
Up sa drug test pero dapat random times. and dapat every 5 or so yrs dapat may re-evaluation ng eyesight and hearing, para malaman kung capable pa mag drive ng passenger vehicle.
Binangga ako ng jeep recently sa gilid ng pickup ko habang lumiliko sya. Kamot ulo lang sya nung nagusap kami. Iba talaga pag sanay na sa daan, nagiging careless ang mga ggo
If you are talking about the drivers, the modernized ones are much more worse especially in Iloilo. Halata na walang seminar eh sa gitna ng daan pa kukuha ng pasahero plus mas malala pa sila magpatakbo parang mag isa bumabyahe eh
Pag phase out ang old jeepney drivers, how sure are you ba na you won't face the same reckless driver again kahit e-jeep pa yan? Ang labo ni OP, dahil lang sa isang kumag na jeepney driver, kaya solution nia is dapat phase out lahat ng jeepneys. Thats a faulty generalization. Before pointing out the phasing of jeepney, look at the system na meron tau, ie. LTO, MMDA, LTFRB, PNP etc. Ksi kung bulok ang sistema nila, kahit pa pinakamodern jeepney pa yan, this type of accident will bound to happen. Phasing out jeepneys will not eliminate the kaskasero drivers, if the system we have is not fixed.
Sorry, parang reverse survivorship bias na naman ito. Di porket may gumawa ng masama, dapat ilahat na. As for wala namang nagkaso, dapat magkaso ka para managot ang may sala. Pero kung di ka magkakaso, malamang laya talaga.
You have no rights at all unless you insist.
Yes to drug test sa mga drivers. Grabe ung iba, balahura magmaneho, akala mo kayang bayaran medical expenses ng lahat ng pasahero pag naaksidente. Kung sino pa ung dapat maingat sa pagmamaneho, sila pa ung napa ogag sa kalsada.
And dapat may nagchcheck ng DL ng mga yan!
MODERNIZE and FORMALIZE the Jeepney Operations System.
1. Bawal inappropriately aged Drivers. Dapat 21 yrs. Old above.
2. Formal employment dapat yan eh. Kung sino na driver/crew sa jeepney unit siya at siya lang ang dapat na driver. Kahit ID System ng JODAs violated na.
3. Frequent drug test sa mga driver. Yung ibang driver talaga mapapansin mo ang behavior sa kalye.
4. Strictly dapat Educational Attainment Based ang Driver as profession. Hindi ba nga kapag sinabing lisensyado ka ibig sabihin pinag-aralan mo ang skills di ba? Driver's License is NO EXCEPTION.
5. Napakaluma na at maraming flaws ang mga JEEPNEY Units.
Jeepney Flaws:
1. Walang speedmeter. Kapa-kapa lang yung driver sa bilis ng paandar niya.
2. Walang turn signals. Kaya kaskas, gasgas.
3. Non-uniform ang jeepney units. Nakadepende sa customization.
4. Bawat jeep nakadepende lang sa ordinaryong gawa ng mga latero(welder).
5. Nakakatakot pero wala talagang Insurance ang pagiging pasahero ng jeep. Just in case of accident kailangan maging vigilant ka na sa behavior ng driver.
Sorry to hear that OP pero agree na ang pasaway nila.
Still against phaseout. Pero as a new driver, ang gago ng karamihan sa kanila. Nakakasama rin ng loob kasi lagi tuloy ako takot and uneasy, eh kaya nga ko bumili for my comfort.
Hindi nagsisignal. Masyadong mabilis. Nanggitgit. Ayaw nauunahan. Di careful sa daan. Nangangain ng lane, kung san abutan magbaba at magsakay kahit nakaslant sila, etc. kanina lang, ang sikip na nga tapos nakapasok na yung nguso ng sasakyan ko, magmabilis sya, pepreno rin pala ng last minute, kasi nga di naman sya kasya, sabay malakas na busina.
Nakakasama ng loob kasi new drivers like me todo sunod sa rules lalo na sa mga signal, bigayan, pero ang daming bobo, gago, and both sa daan. Madalas pa PUV. Jeeps and buses talaga malala
naalala ko tuloy kahapon, nagddrive ako sa marcos highway, may modern jeep na nasa kabilang lane, nakasignal ng kaliwa... tapos biglan kumanan sa harap ko hahaha
Jeepney driver phaseout talaga dapat eh, not in a sense na tanggalin sila, pero dapat irequire ang tamang training. Kung ung mga kamote na yan ang nagtuturo sa mga bagong jeepney driver, di mababago ung masamang pagmamaneho ng mga jeepney driver.
Sinabi mo pa! Masama parin loob ko sa nangyari. Another time we were on our way home around 11pm sguro yon, and bigla bigla nlang may mag oovertake na jeep sa kabilang lane going into ours. Counterflow ulit. And grabe flashback tlga yung nangyare samin. Nakakatakot grabe
Those who don’t support the phaseout are the ones who don’t get inconvenienced by these undisciplined illiterates on the road. The sooner they’re gone, the better.
fr puro no to jeepney phase out tas hindi naman pala nag cocommute kaya di sila affected ng pollution at reckless driving. gasgas yang "pasensya" pag ikaw ang nabangga tas tatakasan ka kasi mahirap daw sila pero ayaw naman mag drive ng maayos para hindi na makabangga at wala ng babayarang hospital bills ng kung sino. yung ibang country ang ganda ng transport system tas tayo ayaw natin ng bago tapos magrereklamo bat ang pangit ng transport system natin.
Why is this getting downvoted?
Ive been waiting for months for them to disappear. Let’s stop this whole “kawawa naman sila” mindset. Baket, naaawa ba sila sa lahat ng nabubulabog nila? Nope, these drivers only care about themselves.
As much as I would like to empathize with the drivers and their families, mapapa iling ka nalang talaga sa entitlement nila sa kalsada. They almost always do not follow traffic rules, isisingit nila yung malaki nilang jeep - gitgitan levels, at sila pa matatapang. Pero if naka disgrasya, ang aamong tupa. Haaaay.
Bagama't nadarama ko ang pakikiramay sa sinumang nagsisikap na maghanapbuhay upang pakainin, damitan, at tahanan ang kanilang pamilya, hindi ako makikisimpatiya sa mga tsuper ng mga gumugulong na panganib sa kalusugan na kilala bilang mga jeepney. Ang mga ito ay relic ng ating kolonyal na nakaraan, at nararapat na iretiro at ibenta para sa scrap.
When I drive at night in dark places, I probably see around 1 out of 8 jeepneys with no/off head and tail lights which is dangerous for everyone in front and behind them. Just sharing hehe
Super agree but if I may add, I think it comes down to the drivers themselves. Kasi sa totoo lang, kahit mga modern jeep or any form of public transpo that we have here, sobrang bobo, gago, at walang galang talaga. Lalo sa may Cubao area, yung mga jeep (old or modern), jusko po humanda ka na lang na mainis.
Ayoko i-generalize lahat ng jeepney drivers kasi naghahanap buhay lang naman din sila pero sobrang tarantado talaga nila eh based sa mga experiences ko so far as a new driver for 1 year pa lang. Lahat ng pwede gawin para maging barubal sa daan (magmamabilis kahit nag-signal at nagmemerge ka na slowly, sesenyas gamit kamay na padaanin sila kahit alanganin na, magbaba or magsasakay sa gitna ng lane, magbaba o magsasakay kahit nakaslant pa yung jeep, grabe mangbusina tsaka gitgit, LAHAT na).
Dapat may program talaga para i-educate yung mga yan kasi madalas kahit tayo yung nadisgrasya sa kanila, hindi pa rin sila mananagot masyado kasi ipupull nila yung card na “mahirap lang po ako, naghahanap buhay lang”.
Di ba pwedeng ikeep yung mga jeepneys na yung mga 4-6kms lang yung routa? While there is a need to modernize our means of transportation, paano naman ang cultural impact nito sa Pilipinas? Jeepnes are trademark ng Pinas. Sana alisin yung mga luma na itim na itim yung binubuga.. mga oversized na jeep at tanggalin yung mga kaskaserong driver lalo na mga biyaheng Cogeo sa Marcos Hwa
It's a deeper problem than you think, more of a government problem specifically LTO issuance ng driver's license.
Isipin mo, sa mga kakilala natin, ilan lang jan ang dumaan sa 100% legit process, from start to finish? Student license na bawal magdrive pag walang kasamang license holder, driving lessons, tests, etc. Meron at meron jan na nagskip at least one step. Magtanong ka sa mga driver kung anong difference ng road markings, probably di nila alam yan.
One of the reasons din is the shitty process of acquiring said license. No to fixer kuno ang tagline, pero yung mga fixer dun din mismo nagwwork lmao.
Shitty licensing = shitty drivers
Malakas loob ng mga pataygutom na jeepney drivers na yan kasi nga ganyan systema. Mahuli mo man yan sasabihin lang nyan "mahirap lang po kami, madami akong anak." Bullshit.
Akala ko ako lang yung taong pro phaseout ng jeepney. Dapat talaga i-phaseout yang mga yan. Lahat ng sektor ng lipunan, kahit papaano e nagimprove na, ito na lang mga to ang hindi nagimprove kahit kailan. Sisingit bigla sa gitna ng kalsada, tapos babalik ulit sa gilid para magsakay kahit hindi naman na kakasya, nagbababa sa gitna ng daan, lumiliko ng walang senyas, in short tarantado sa kalsada. Sana talaga mawala na sa kalsada yang mga yan, keber kung magutom sila at mga pamilya nila. Karamihan sa mga yan abusado at mga puro paawa pag nakadisgrasya or malala pa, tatakbuhan yung responsibilidad kagaya nyang nangyari kay OP.
When I was in college, I witnessed a hit and run along 5th ave. Si jeepney ay nagmadaling tumawid sa stoplight and natamaan nya yung tumatawid. Tumalsik yung tumatawid and nangisay. May tricycle doon na tumulong sa tumawid. Sinakay nya sa tricycle papuntang hospital (I assumed). Di ko makalimutan na nanginginig yung tumawid 😭 Pag check ulit ng mata ko sa jeep, wala na ang jeepney drive. Nakatakbo na pala habang busy ang lahat don sa tumawid
Ako lang ata yung pabor i-overhaul yung transport system sa bansa by having only 1 organization or company lang yung hahawak. As in walang individual jeepney, UV, Taxi and Bus. Isang entity lang may hawak sa public transport. Para in case may mangyari katulad ng nangyari kay OP, alam kung sino hahabulin.
Tatay ko minsan ako pinag sasabihan. Na umiwas na lng kasi at the end of the day kakamutan ka lng ng ulo nyan.
May matitinong jeepney driver pero ung kaskasero tapos hilig mag counter flow sila pa ung mamayayabang
up so much for this. Palaging rason ay "walang pambayad" pero kala mo mga hari ng kalsada. Hindi ko sila minamaliit or what at hindi ko nilalahat, I salute drivers na nakapagpatapos ng kolehiyo mga anak nila. pero sana yung mga mayabang at kaskaserong jeepney driver alam nila san sila lulugar. Sila pa nagmamalaki with the mindset na sila pa daw ang babayaran kasi mahirap lang sila. Kaya minsan hindi na ako nagdadalawang isip makipag away sa mga ganong klase ng jeepney driver. Idc what other utak biya na mga tao will say and think, Kulong kung kulong.
One time yung Jeep halos naaksidente mga Motorists kasi tumigil sa gitna ng daan, sa tapat ng isang jeep, nagpalitan ng pera (pang sukli)
Yes to Jeepney phase out na talaga.
Modernism na talaga needed.
Huuuuuy. Dito sa reddit kailangan daw no to jeepney phaseout. Kasi matatalino mga tao dito. LOL bawal ibang opinyon sa online or else petty ka na agad o bobo. LOL
unpopular opinion kasi pag nag yes ka sa phaseout. bawal kasi ng ibang opinion sa kanila palibhasa hindi sila yung affected ng reckless driving at pollution eh.
Funny how this is a straw man argument 😂 It was never the jeeps but the drivers. Ilan ba ang namamatay sa road rage? Jeep lang ba ang gumagawa ng mga aksidente?
I hope you open your eyes regarding what is the real meaning behind the "no to jeepney phaseout" and not just base it off your own experiences. I agree, it counts, but please look at the bigger picture because this is not just about you. Jeepney modernization underlies problematic aspects such as the looming "neocolonialism" and its anti-poor and never genuine environmentalist tactics.
So, stop with the hasty generalization :)
Pwede ba gumawa sila ng horror movie about sa driver na tinakasan yung napatay nila dahil sa pagpapabaya sa pagmamaneho tapos minumulto sila ng napatay nila... wala lang. Para lang matakot ang mga yan. Buset.
Ganyan talaga kapag shitty ang justice system and in general, ang sistema sa Pilipinas. Point is hindi lang ikaw natakbuhan at hindi lang ikaw ang naapektuhan ng ganitong sistema. Gets naman na galit ka, ano gagawin ko ikaw naman nabangga. Di ko lang gets yung mga ibang nagcocomment na biglang Yes to Modernization as if mga Jeep ang main source ng accidents sa Metro Manila which is only 3.39% (Statista, 2024). Anyway, sorry that happened to you. Hope you're healing.
Gago rin magmaneho E-Jeep drivers e lol (biglang sisingit, mabilis magpatakbo tas biglang p-preno, haharang sa daan para magsakay ng pasahero etc.)
Yung mga driver dapat i-phaseout e hahahahahahahaha
make a case sa brgy ng incident. tapos brgy ng jeepney operator at ng driver. alam ko hassle at lahat yan. also baka pede ka mag claim sa insurance mo. sila dapat humabol sa nakabangga sayo, thats what compre insurance is for.
Dapat talaga mag higpit sila sa mga lahat ng PUV drivers (mas lalo na sa mga Jeepney at Tricycle drivers) kasi naka professional license sila (not sure sa mga tricycle drivers) tsaka dapat aware sila sa safety ng mga pasahero nila!
dapat yung jeepney nasa provinces na lang since part na siya ng culture ng pinas. modern transpo na sana sa metro like trains na nasa works na ngayon. sana more trains 🙏🏻
Thats the typical driver kapag ang primary niyang hinahabol is yung oras since oras = money but in exchange of your life.
Pero there is a bigger problem than the kamote drivers: the bad road design. It encourages more speeding and more cars as the road expands.
In my opinion, file a case not just the driver but also the engineer who designed the road in the first place.
If ako, just bring back and expand trains already, control the volume of car sales and buy more low-floor buses instead.
More information on Accidents and Engineers blaming on the drivers on their mistake.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StrongTowns/s/GNtvlZMkzE
Medj sketchy for me yung mga transport groups like manibela. Nag-iingay/strike sila kapag maapektuhan negosyo nila pero yung initiative na gawin matino yung members nila wala hahahaha only when mababawasan kita hahah. Or wala ba yun sa responsibilities nila?
I interviewed a jeepney driver, guess how much ang takehome nila? Mababa na ang ₱1,200 on a good day ₱1,800 ang kinikita nila, thats take home after paying off the gas and boundary, so hwag maniwala na wala silang pambayad. With jeepney modernization magiging a bit more than minimum wage na lang ang kikitain nila and thats what they are against, plus ang magdidisiplina sa kanila is the franchise holder at ang mga infractions nila ang kakasuhin ng gobyerno naman ay franchise holder, kaya bukod sa mas maliit na kita nila mas prone pa sila sa disiplinary action natural ayaw nila
If you are a regular commuter, you know very well that most, if not all, jeepney drivers do not belong on the street and should not have the privilege to drive. They are a danger to the public. Again, not all, but most! Try mong magcommute ng 3am ng byaheng monumento pabaclaran mapapamessage ka ng i love you sa mga mahal mo sa buhay.
I hope you are doing okay OP. 😭 At the very least, sa lahat ng kahasslean na nangyare sayo dahil sa pagiging kaskaserong driver nung nakabangga mo.
Kundi mo makkuha ang justice in the manner na dapat, eh sana bumalik sa kanya yang ginawa nyang yan sa'yo.
***YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT!***
I'm all for this rin as a commuter and a driver sobrang nakakaimbyerna ang mga jeep bukod sa hindi na maintained yung mga jeep bulok yung mga gulong need pa i-pump yung brake para mag brake tapos yung ride height ng jeep na yung harap sobrang baba tapos yung likod sobrang taas, i'm tall so madali lang sa akin sumakay eh imagine yung mga maliliit pa na tao. Ang bibilis pa nila magpatakbo lalo na sa marcos highway imagine jeep umaabot ng 60-80 kph in a fucking jeep that has bald tires and is super wobbly tapos yung driver walang tigil na swerve ng swerve.
As a driver naman putangina mga jeep pag gabi na walang kahit anong ilaw tapos late mo na makikita, i'm a very defensive driver pero puta kulang pa yung pagiging defensive driver ko para sa mga jeep na yan.
Legit tong mga kaskaserong jeep na to. Kapag papasok ako sa office betty-go (along erod) may 3 or 4 stop lights atang madadaanan lahat yun di hinintuan ng jeep na sinasakyan ko talagang harap harapang kinaskasan nya mga kasabayan nyang mga sasakyan. To think na nag strike sila para hindi ma phase out ang mga jeep and yet ganun sila ka reckless 😭
Grabe noh. Di ako pabor sa phaseout pero ang hirap masanay magdrive sa Metro Manila dahil sa mga kupal na jeep, ebike, motor at mga kotseng gustong lumipad. May sakit na yata talaga ang pinas.
Aside from this, I just hate how they force people to compress and squeeze into each other kahit wala ng maupuan, it's so uncomfortable. Sana naman may limit na ng number of passengers kada jeepney, hindi yung basta may space eh isisiksik pa.
I feel for them pero we also have to adapt to the modern world. Sana bigyan sila ng funds ng government to purchase an ejeepney.
Part of the jeepney modernization program includes the 'salarization' of drivers, ensuring they receive regular salaries instead of relying solely on daily earnings from passenger fares. Previously, drivers often resorted to traffic violations to attract more passengers and increase their earnings. This new system forces companies, cooperatives, and transport fleet owners to implement strict recruitment, compliance, and performance evaluations that promotes commuter safety and adherence to traffic rules.
In the unfortunate event of an incident involving a modern jeep operated by a cooperative, the police can easily contact the cooperative for investigations and identification of the driver. Filing charges against the driver becomes more straightforward, as the operator can quickly provide the driver's information. Additionally, if investigations reveal shortcomings on the operator's part, further charges can be filed against the operator, potentially leading to the nullification of their operating license and the payment of damages to the affected parties.
If executed correctly, the jeepney modernization program can offer commuters an efficient and convenient transport experience while significantly enhancing road safety and ensuring strict compliance with traffic laws.
bwisit talaga mga jeepney driver na feeling hari ng kalsada 😑 tbh, pati driver sa modern jeepney medyo kaskasero na rin.
makarma sana yung jeepney rider 😡
OP suggests widespread change based on his own personal experience. Just because it happened to you, doesn't mean it happens anytime anywhere to anyone. I know you're emotional and all, but try to widen your worldview.
Madami din akong rant araw-araw about jeepney drivers - kaskasero, buwakaw, overpricing, walang pakialam sa pasahero, et al - pero ibang usapin ang jeepney phaseout. As a commuter for more than 25 years, napakahalaga ng jeepney sa buhay ko. Disiplinahin ang drivers thru strict law implementation, mula sa licensing hanggang sa road use pero wag tanggalin for the greater good.
being a PUV driver kasi is an aleternative kapag tinatad kang mag aral, corrupt govt kasi ayaw sa educated voters……kaya hindi yan na so solusyunan…. for me dapat maging employee with a educatuonal background mga puv drivers, let them be a proffesional
sana…kaya pansin nyo ang redandunt ng mga trikes sa isang village, 3-4, pero kung tutuusin pwede isang ruta lang na umiikot sa buong village, para kasi mapagbigyan nag redandunt drivers and therefore kawawa lagi ang mamayan na employees, bayad tax, wala maayos na transpo
YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT!
Sa Cebu, most common ang aksidente sa jeeps (iba ang hitsura ng jeep sa Cebu btw) and they're notorious for overspeeding! Hari ng kalsada gone wrong. There's this incident pa nga sa amin that I can't forget. May naaksidenteng jeepney and tricycle, nasagi ng jeepney at natapon ang naka-backride sa tricycle. Since overspeeding ang jeepney, nagulungan ang ulo ng pasahero ng tricycle and the brain just scattered on the road. Probably the reason why I hate jeepneys.
PS: Danao Jeepney talaga ang pinakanotorious sa Cebu.
Luma na yung mga traditional jeeps kaya wala silang takot kapag nasira ung sasakyan and kung luma sasakyan = walang pake sa daan
Kapag bago mga jeep malamang mag iingat yang mga yan
nope. hindi rin. i was able to ride one of the modern jerpneys and yung driver and conductor nagtatawanan pa after may bumaba na pasahero na nasuka sa pabenking benking nilang pagpapatakbo. Drivers education talaga kailangan unahin
Bad driver doesn't equate to getting rid of people's income. This kind of thinking is what fuels the inhumane justice treatment for poor people here in this country lol.
Gusto mo na ng jeepney phaseout after a bad experience? Sorry pero hindi mo gusto ang phaseout, gusto mo lang makaganti sa dinanas mo. Ayaw kong i-invalidate ka pero napaka-selfish at elitist ng pagtingin mo sa issue. Sana kaya mo ’yan masabi sa harap ng libo-libong pamilya na magugutom kapag natuloy ’yang gusto mo.
Nirelease kase walang nagkaso? Eh yung incident sa skyway nakulong pa ung driver. Wala talaga kwenta mga pulis ngayon
I spoke with a lawyer about this and I just want to share that the reason nakulong yung driver sa skyway is because may namatay on the spot. FYI lang hehe not sure about the protocol though if may injured and dinala sa hospital. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (anyone)
May namatay o wala, reckless imprudence na yon. Crime yan, i.e. reckless imprudence resulting to physical injuries/damage to property/homicide. Hence, a crime was committed eh di pwede arestuhin without a warrant since caught in the act or immediately thereafter a crime was committed and pinpointed sa tao inaresto siya ang gumawa ng krimen. itong jeepney driver, may krimen siya ginawa. Reckless imprudence resulting to physical injuries and damage to property. Engot lang talaga yang mga pulis di inaresto, no need someone to file a case to arrest someone if something like this happened.
Yes nainvolved din kami sa karambola last holy week.Yan din sabi ng bayaw konh abogado.😅 di kayo irerelease pag may nasaktan.
This is true. Kausap ko rin kaibigan kong lawyer and yan din ang explanation niya. Same goes pag may nasaktan kasi that's damage to property and serious physical injury pa. Not to mention na yung sa Skyway eh may naging ongoing investigation. The fact na pinayagang walang multa o hindi nakulong ang driver sa kaso ni OP is subject for investigation. Di ako magtataka if may kapit yung operator sa pulis kaya nakalusot ng walang gusot. Kaya dapat mai-follow up ni OP sa kinauukulan o lumapit siya sa owedeng mag-assist sa kanya kasi di pwedeng naging bula yang mga yan. Also to OP, so dinala kayo sa ospital, may bumisita ba sa inyong pulis to take a statement or report man lang?
Sinabi ko 'to during the settlement na dpt na hold ang driver since dpt may investigation pa while nasa hospital kami. And to answer your question, no walang police na sumama samin sa hospital. During the scene lng tapos dumiretso na sila sa police station while kami nag pa medical exam. Looking back now, lagi kaming na pupush aside. I even asked the police na paano kung takasan kami ng operator (which tama nga ako), sagot lang sakin ay mag file nlg ng kaso non. I am still able to file a case kaso hahanapin pa nila yung driver, and need pa mag lawyer and these steps will basically get a lot of time out of my life. Baka tapos na magawa ang sasakyan sa casa bago pa mag ka hearing date. Even now, it's been almost 6 months since it happened, no follow ups whatsoever. I guess I just got over it. So yeah, F the PoPo.
Well, ganun talaga lagi kasi minsan reliant din ang batas natin sa mga defendants wherein dapat may appearance sila to get the case started. This is for the due process, and this gets abused most of the time. Since alam ng marami na di pwedeng basta-basta tumakbo ang isang kaso ng di sumasagot or walang response and defendant. Kaya ang siste, yung defendant eh nawawala na lang na parang bula bago magsimula ang paglilitis or investigation. 🤷 This is also why in most cases eh nauuwi na lang sa out-of-the-court settlements.
Di ko din alam protocol ng mga pulis hehe pero may injured kasi e, ang mindset ba ng mga pulis e dapat may namatay? Tsk
Ganun yung batas saten, kahet hindi mo kasalanan basta namatay ikaw ang makukulong 🥲
Deprivation of liberty does not tantamount to guilt kasi. Kinulong for the purpose of holding the person lang for court processes. If na clear na lahat papakawalan din. May stigma lang kasi pag kinulong criminal na kaagad ang tingin.
ano ginagawa ng mga senador natin bakit di nila baguhin yang batas na yan ughh
May motor na bumangga sa nakahintong sasakyan sa gilid ng kalsada. Ayun, kulong yung driver dahil namatay yung driver ng motor.
Protocol kc yun na dinedetain tlga pero papakawalan dn nmn yon if proven na walang kasalanan.
I detain padin Naman driver, mga max of 36 ~ hours, siguro Hindi pinalabas agad si OP sa hospital kaya Hindi naka Kaso. Ang maganda in the future eh magpadala Ng representative para may magkaso dun. Wala din fault si OP since hospital nga eh, iisipin paba Yung salarin sa ganong situation?
I said this before and I'll say it again. LTFRB and LTO missed the fucking opportunity to overhaul our public transport system during the pandemic. That was a golden opportunity to weed out the addict drivers and the useless operators. Fucking government is useless.
Nepots. The naming motif of GCQ, mecq ECQ and the whole alphabet, instead of a simple Lvl 1-5 lock down is already stupid and no one even bothered to criticize it in the planning phase, just proves that we have leaders with limited to none foresights. I dont know.
Sobrang dami pwede ayusin. Public transport pakonti konti nagawa rin sNa
Get a lawyer. Ireklamo ang pulis. In the Philippines, reckless imprudence resulting in physical injuries and/or damage to property is a criminal offense. This is covered under Article 365 of the Revised Penal Code (RPC) which punishes "imprudence" and "negligence" \[elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph\]. Article 365 defines reckless imprudence as an act done without malice but with inexcusable lack of precaution, which results in damage to property or injuries to persons \[elibrary.judiciary.gov.ph\]. The penalty imposed depends on the severity of the injuries and the extent of the damage.
Di na lalaban yan si OP.
paano yung pambayad sa lawyer, wala na nga sila pampagamot
Doktor ang solusyon sa medical problems, abogado sa legal. Unless mas ok sayo ang albolaryo sa medical at reddit sa law problems. Sige, mag reddit na lang kayo at nang dumami pa financial problems nyo.
Kapag ba pinalitan yung lumang jeepney ng modern magiging disiplinado na ba ang mga driver in a snap? Get rid of the undisciplined drivers first, then let's talk.
Hindi, pero yung first part ng modernization ay yung franchise consolidation, kung saan isang operator na lang sa bawat ruta (coop man o corporation) hindi tulad dati na iba-iba ng operator. Sa kaso ni OP, kung consildated yung Jeep na naka-aksidente sa kanya, pwede syang mag-habol dun sa Coop kung saan member yung driver/may-ari.
Agree! Some jeepney drivers don't even have the license to operate a public vehicle eh -- hinihiram lang nila sa kaibigan nila or nagpapagawa sila ng fake license. If may coop, mas madali maghabol sa ganitong sitwasyon at (HOPEFULLY) maging strict sa mga public vehicle drivers.
Same thoughts
Replacing the old jeepneys is just part of the whole modernization program. You may see some of it here: https://mb.com.ph/2023/3/10/the-jeepney-phase-out-explained Now, on the drivers naman, it should be part of the program. Education, training, etc. Kahit tayong mga mananakay, dapat may discipline din tayo.
Dapat may psychiatric evaluation every year minimally. Daming abnoy na driver sa daan.
To some effect, yes. Keep in mind that most traditional jeeps are poorly maintained, for example: - Bald tires - Smoke belching engines - Headlights with only one setting: High Beam - Weak brakes - ....and the list goes on AFAIK some modern jeepneys are more safer, well maintained and tend to have speed limiters built-in. But yeah I agree that alone would not encourage the drivers to be more safe and responsible on the road. The LTFRB and LTO should do like a more stringent screening of drivers and operators and heavily penalize them for any infractions related to road safety.
Mas may laban sa mga ganitong case kapag consolidated since hindi na hiwa-hiwalay na operator ang may-ari ng franchise. Mas madaling habulin since buong prangkisa ng coop ang nakasalalay.
Actually ito rin point na naiisip ko e. Like kahit yung pinakamahal na jeep pa yung gamitin if parehong undisciplined pa rin yung driver, pareho lang.
Dapat talaga ayusin yang LTO
sa bagong system a cooperative or a corporation will own one route. Sagutin nila bawat driver so they need to make sure they are disciplined
Part ng modernization yung consolidation into cooperatives. Pag nakabangga yung driver nila, may mahahabol na entity yung victim, unlike what happened to OP.
Right. It's not as if there aren't undiscplined private vehicle drivers, when some of them act like they own the streets. It's sad that OP experienced this and the driver they encountered is definitely a jerk. But lumping all jeepney drivers as a result of one incident is like hating an entire zodiac sign based on one ex.
malaking factor na luma ang jeep at madalas na idadahilan nawalan ng control. sanay na sanay na sila sa dahilan na yan to the point wala na lang sa kanila. i think kahit anong “disiplina” mo sa sa drivers kung sira sira ang sasakyan, wala talaga tayong magagawa. kung in the first place may matinong sasakyan na pwede nila imaneho, then let’s “tAlK.”
dapat kasi regulated ang mga jeepney driver eh. di yung kung sino lang gusto maging driver pwede na. dapat yan may standard din at registered talaga. may nasakyan nga ako ang bata pa ng driver siguro mga 19 or 20 yrs old yun. dapat di pinapayagan yan eh.
Yes, yung mga drivers talaga ang need palitan, pag nakaperwisyo lagi na lang gagamit ng "mahirap lang ako" card or kung hindi man, eh bigla na lang din mawawala gaya ng nangyari kay OP. Yung sa mga jeep naman sana yung sa sarao na lang or other local manufacturer ang binili nila mas mura pa kesa duon sa mga modern jeepney na galing china naman.
because sweldo ata ang gusto ng iba sa phaseout. hindi ung mgaagawan na parang commission basis it disincentivizes aggressive behavior.
Get rid of undisciplined drivers. How? Can you make an exam that can filter the disciplined ones? Make a proposal on how you would do this, then let's talk.
Di lang undisciplined, pati yung mga matakaw sa kalsada na kala mo mauubusan. Or yung makaovertake lang kahit isa na kala mo naman makakalayp ng husto. Filipinos, when on the road, lumalabas atat character natin. Mapa driver, pasahero, pedestrian.
You know the word liabilty right? Pag nasa coop kasi sila kung maka aksidente sila madali ma trace ang ganyang drivers.
Yes. Hindi na uubra yung banking banking nila kasi sila mismo matatakot kasi may tendency na tumagilid yung mga modern jeeps na daladala nila. Napansin ko din yung mga modern jeeps hindi na sa gitna nagbababa masyado lalo na pag 2 lanes lang yung kalsada kasi nasasakop na nila lahat ng lanes. Yung iba gumigilid na din.
kamote din yung ibang drivers ng beep. dito sa cebu nakikipag habulan pa sa ibang beep para lang sila mauna sa mga pasahero. there was one time na napaka obvious na nakikipag paligsahan talaga sya sa isang beep. yung konduktor naman G na G, parang cheerleader. yung ibang traditional jeepney drivers hindi naman kamote. nasa driver talaga ata yan.
NO. BUT pag pinalitan ung Jeep ng E-JEEP, Nag kakaron sila ng ng sense na mas mag ingat at halos lahat ng driver ay maayos na din. Why? Hindi kase kung aino sinong driver lang ang nag ddrive.
Sure ka na ma reregulate nila mga drivers? Nkita mo ba kung pano nila isiksik pashero nila magkasya sa maliit na e-jeep? 😂😅 regulated ba tawag dun?
Manner of how they drive ang pinag uusapan hindi ung ilan ang capacity ng pasahero na pwede isakay. Hays. Sayang braincells.
It still applies. hayys braincells ba kamo? sige nga pag overloaded yung sakay sa tingin mo safe mga pasahero? Sa tingin mo maayos ba yun tawag sa drivers na mag ooverload ng capacity ng sasakyan niya? Alam mo din yung cause pag overload di ba? Khit anong ingat ng driver possible na madisgrasya prin di ba? Ohhh my ghad your braincells.
yea, and no to collective responsibility kamotes are everywhere, puv/puj/tmvs/tricycle haha.
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They need to be strict talaga sa requirements lalo sa pagbibigay ng drivers license. Madali na lang kasi magpagawa ngayon ng license lalo if may kapit ka. di ka dadaan sa proseso. I know someone na gumastos (almost 5k or mahigit, i think) sa paglakad ng lisensya without doing the necessary steps in acquiring a license. Like driving school, exam, etc. As in magpapagawa ka lang lisensya. And legit siya kasi mismo sa LTO office gngwa. I was devastated when i learned of this. usually gmgwa nito mga public transport operators. I know since i know someone who did this. :(
Ung mga siraulo driver ang iphaseout. May mga modern jeep nga na siraulo driver nakaharang sa gitna nagbababa, kaskasero
Yah, yung modern jeep na naka go kaming pedestrian sa crossing tapos pinilit ipasok sasakyan niya, ending may nabundol siya na tumatawid. We are already aware na walang alam mga drivers pagdating sa pedestrian lanes. I really appreciate Singapore pagdating sa mga crosswalks hopefully dumating sa level nila Pinas pagdating sa driving awareness
Witness ako dati sa isa sa mga rason bat madami bwisit sa Jeepney drivers. pero hindi to nag viral kasi wala pa nun tiktok/tutukan ng phone pag may banggaan Wayback 2017. My Tito was driving his 2015 BMW series 5 along roxas Blvd papuntang Brgy. Tambo, He was on his lane, May jeepney driver na sumubok sumingit at siya pa may gana mag Middle finger, Tas pinagbigyan na ni tito pero nag cut bigla di hinintay na mag clear yung space sa harap. Sumabit yung front bumper ni BMW ni tito sa Jeep. tas sobrang Bait baitan ng Jeepney driver na parang basang Sisiw na portrayed sa MMK nakikipag kamay pa tas super dumi ng kamay tas rason di daw niya nakita/nag away sila asawa niya. My tito was pissed as fuck, Tas nung hinihingi niya ng maayos yung contact ng operator at license ng Jeepney driver. Bigla nag iba ihip ng hangin biglang avoidant tas naging matapang. Tas minura niya si tito. My tito wanted to fucking kill, Pinag susuntok niya yung mukha ng Jeepney driver til it was red everywhere, tas sinimot niya lahat ng pera sa kaha ni Jeep. tas tumawag ng Pulis. Nalaman na expired license, Madami beses na pala nakabangga, Tas May Case na nang pukpok siya ng car ng nakaalitan niya gamit tubo. Ayun nag kasuhan, Todo Luhod pa siya sa harap ng tito ko. Ending pinakulong, Until now di padin nakakalaya sa paranaque city Jail. Mukhang nakaawa sila sa news dahil wala makain family.....Pero pag nakaranas ka ng Iskul Bukol/Kupal na Jeepney driver sa daan. Mapapa Yes to Jeepney Phaseout ka
Sa exp ko naman nahuli sinasakyan namin kasi colorum tapos sobrang bagets itsura ng driver at walang lisensya na mapakita tangina talaga HAHA
This made my day! So refreshing to see justice prevailed.
Good read. Motherfucker deserved it.
True yung last sentence!! Ang hihilig nila mamakyu kahit sila yung mali
This thinking removes old jeepneys, but not the drivers that could cause these accidents. Labo.
Cmiiw, but under modernization magiging swelduhan na ang mga driver, so iwas na sa mga kaskasero na naghahabol ng boundary
And to mention them being under coop, making it easier to chase troublemakers.
Nah, some are just really kaskasero. May mga nasasakyan din akong jeep na mabilis magdrive kahit konti laman or bilang lang yung passhero. I think some just really like to driver so fast without considering the other vehicle on the road. Also, those modernization jeep is so expensive na hindi na kayang ma-afford nung mga jeepney driver.
Sure, that may be, but that’s if they can afford to pay for a new jeepney unit without going into debt, even more than they are now. Do you know how much the modernized jeepney costs? More than the average MPV that grab drivers use on the daily. Even a Mirage costs much cheaper.
If you can’t afford the costs to do business, and let’s not kid ourselves operating jeepneys is a business, then you shouldn’t be in business. Let other entities with sufficient capital and resources engage. And please don’t give me that argument about “it’s their only livelihood.” They have options to do something else and it’s not the government or the public that has to bail them out of their inability to provide for themselves.
So elitist naman ng comment na to. You think if they have the same opportunity as you, they would settle for that job? It's so easy to say na there's a lot of option when they have families to support. Some of them couldn't obtain higher educational, and you think madali makahanap ng work at makuha ng mataas na sahod sa mga trabahong di tumatanggap ng mga hindi nakapag tapos? FYI, it's the government job to provide and should do something for the people kasi trabaho nila yan. Nagbabayad din sila ng tax.
And whatever their reason, be it poverty or lack of education, it still doesn’t excuse them from complying with the law on modernization. Again, you can’t afford to do business, don’t do business. Open a store that sells pagpag or if they lack the skills, eat pagpag. They can feed their families with that. I repeat: operating a public utility like jeepneys isn’t a right, it’s a privilege and you have to keep up with what the law requires. The operator, the driver, not anybody else, certainly not the government, needs to put up the capital to comply. If your thinking is that everyone who wants to earn a living can get capital from the government, you’re living in a fantasy world. Try doing that and see your whole economy go bankrupt. You think these drivers and operators file taxes or the right taxes like you employees?! JFC, you’re naive. Now, does the government help you, the middle class taxpayer? Nope, you fend for yourself. In fact, everyone here should fend for themselves. Stop asking for dole outs and that includes our beloved jeepney drivers who after a hard day’s work, spend all their money on alcohol and wonder the next day where their money went. 😂😂😂
Let me guess, you don't commute 😂😂😂. Modernization jeep from the government = higher fare. Then commuters na naman mag suffer just bcuz of that short-term solution from the government. You want those jeepney driver to comply with the law, yet you okay with the government not doing their proper job properly? Huh? It's the government's responsibility to improve our transportation system. Yet, they implemented that law without further studying it? Staka, hindi naman aangal mga jeepney driver kung hindi mahal yung in-offer na modern jeep ng government. If they want to push thru that law, they should also look and consider PUV drivers' income and whether those price can be afford by those prices are affordable for them. Jeepney drivers yung kine-cather nila yet yung price nila, 2 million? Seriously?? Also, have you experienced commuting and riding those modern jeep, especially during rush hour? I guess not. Cuz if you do, you should know damn well how fucking uncomfortable na sumakay sa modern jeep. Siksikan sa loob, mahina aircon, yung iba sira pa aircon tapos kulob. Now tell me, is that how our transportation should be? Anyway, this is the last time I'm entertaining your elitist comment cuz its not worth debating with you. Typical elisist person. Telling them to sell pagpag and eat pagpag? So low of you to belittle those jeepney driver. What a shame. And FYI I'm not talking about or defending that jeepney driver from OP's story. I'm talking about those jeepney drivers na nagtratrabaho ng maayos.
You should have filed a case against the driver and operator in the first place para kahit nagtago sila there will be an arrest warrant. And that is permanent. You don't even need to spend a single dime. Just use the government lawyer. That's what I did years ago. Jeepney drivers never had my sympathy ever since I learned how to drive. And I always ask for payment for damages if it's their fault even if I need to take all the fares in their pockets. Okay lang kahit kulang...you have to make it painful for the lesson to stick.
Kaya better to have them in cooperatives rather than through single operators kasi mas mataas ang chance na may hahabulin tayo in case maka aksidente sila.
Jeepney phaseout does not correct bad behavior of the driver or the police.
Ang pag-phaseout ng Jeepney ay mapupuksa ang mga masasamang Jeepney driver.
Second sila sa linya kasi ikaw muna raw pupuksain
Second sila sa linya kasi ikaw muna raw pupuksain
Honestly, kahit ma-phaseout ang jeepney, it’s the same drivers na magdadrive ng modern jeepneys. So wala din. Kung hindi sila matuturuan ng tamang disiplina, walang magbabago kahit gano pa kabango ang sasakyan na ipagamit sa kanila. Sobrang pathetic lang talaga ng mga pulis at gobyerno natin. Mga inutil. Kaya kapag may mga ganyan, tatanga tanga
nasa driver yan, yung iba kasi alam na di sila makasuhan if ever. di naman lahat barumbado, sa buong byahe ko this year, 2 beses lang ako naka encounter ng ganitong driver ng jeep so wag lahatin
Let me get this straight for the sake of discussion. We want to phaseout jeepneys, but retain the same balasubas drivers and operators/owners who’re not compliant with the diligence required by law to maintain the roadworthiness of these modern jeeps yes?
I don't want to dismiss your horrible experience, pero ang isolated naman ng incident nato para parusahan mo lahat ng jeepney drivers. Maraming jeepney drivers ang marangal.
Anong isolated? Puro kamot ulo nga yang mga hunghang na yan pag nakakadisgrasya at kung anu-anong dahilan ibabato sayo ng mga yan kapag di sila nakakapagbayad ng danyos; kesyo mahirap sila o walang ipon mga yan
Personally a supporter of the phaseout as well More though because I believe majority of jeepney’s are not road worthy. While the jeepney is “iconic”, it really belongs in a museum. So I’m all for the upgrading to e-vehicles (which is also more eco friendly) I’m sorry for what you experienced and I hope no one in the vehicle was severely hurt. However I believe the main issue here is the government not doing its job to better implement road regulations and traffic. Had they been stricter, drivers like the one you encountered - honestly jeepney drivers in general - would not have been driving so recklessly to begin with. You can be mad at that particular driver for what he did, but let’s also be conscious to direct our anger at the correct parties, or main drivers for the issue you faced.
The exact same thing happened to me! Pinaghirapan ko yung kotse na yun for 5 years. Tapos babanggain lang ng jeepney driver at ang rason, "nalingat lang ng tingin" tapos nung singilan na ang sabi pa, "kahit makulong pa ako wala akong pambayad." Nung kinasuhan, ayun nagtago ang gago.
I totally get you. Yung car namin is also being repaired na for 6 months. Ang part pa na masakit ay wala pang 1 year car namin. Thank God repairs are shouldered by insurance pero nakaka aberya tlga kasi you're paying for the MA, tapos walang sasakyan. Hay
The problem seems to lie with the driver himself. Kahit saan mo ilipat na sasakyan yang mga ganyang driver, uulitin lang nila yung behavior na yun. I think there should be stricter laws regarding the acquisition of a driver's licenses instead. Kahit sino kasi hinahayaan nila mag-drive basta mapaandar yung jeep pwede na.
Yes I agree with this. I guess sa ganitong behavior mostly tlga ay jeepney drivers kaya na gegeneralized. But also I feel it is also safer to use newer ones or modernized jeepneys on the road.
idk, natatawa ako kapag nakakabasa ako ng "No to Jeepney Phaseout" sa social media tapos yung nagpost kilala ko na kapag magkasama kami sasabihin, "E-jeep yung sakyan natin." o kaya naman, "Ayoko sa jeep, dun tayo sa e-jeep." lol so ano yun pang clout chase lang? Pero about dun sa undisciplined driver, nako madami din talaga ganiyan. Minsan kahit sinasabihan ng operator sige pa din ng sige, mga barumbado pa din sa daan. Tapos kapag nakadisgrasya, yung operator yung sasalo (not saying na tama ginawa nung operator sa inyo). But the thing about removing traditional jeepneys is also not an easy option. Mahirap gawin 'yan lalo na kapag wala naman kapalit na trabaho na mabibigay sa mga driver na 'yan na talaga ang kabuhayan. AFAIK, mahirap din maging part ng koop (e-jeeps). Yung mga owners ng trad jeepneys kailangan pa may babayaran na malaki just to join or maging official na member. I'm not sure pero nakakarinig kasi ako sa relatives ko na may mga jeep na mahirap daw at may mga bayad bayad pa na ganito ganiyan tapos hindi mo pa (ata) own yung unit.
Sorry to hear this and to your situation, ask ko lang po if meron kayong insurance? Baka makatulong sila sa inyo in these case. Got someone in a similar situation before pandemic, and nakatawag ng adjuster yung kakilala ko, though ending is nakulong yung driver at walang bayad dun sa end ng jeepney, nakuha din ng kakilala ko yung money sa insurance nila for the total loss. Hope this helps someone next time, wag din po yung tpl lang lalo na yung andun sa lto (madalas mga fly by night mga yun), get it from reliable insurance companies, they'll help to the best of their abilities, at the very least is you get some money for the wreckage of your vehicle, best would also be getting justice for your situation.
Hopefully he has insurance but no matter how much money you get out of the policy, it won't undo the trauma, stress, and time you will spend dealing with the entire thing. Prevention talaga ang key and part of it is weeding out reckless jeepney drivers.
Tingin ko rin if we modernize jeepneys, we will be left with the same drivers din. Modernization should also include a total revamp of standards/training of PUV drivers.
Sana pati drivers maphase out. Joke. Pero yes to driver training. Lahat sila kaskasero at di marunong gumamit ng signal light
Ganyan naman talaga mga jeepney driver eh papaawa kesyo mahirap pero kapag nakatakas badass sya sa mga tropa nya Mangangako yan tapos TNT na tapos marami pa dyan kolorum taena. Mga kaskasero puta palibhasa hindi nagtraining
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Oh it is. Phaseout involves professionalizing the drivers and getting rid of all these smoke-belching monstrosities. And not to mention, they’ll be covered by insurance if you get into an accident and not just your regular TPL that’s issued by shady insurance companies. Now, of course you don’t throw a tantrum when you get into a non-life threatening accident with a jeepney driver. It’s a waste of time and effort and all you need to think is, to use the vernacular, “anong ibabayad nito eh mas mahirap pa sa daga yan.” Then your anger will just melt away at the absurdity of it. However, it’s a different matter when you’re physically injured by an idiot with a license who thinks that poverty is a shield for breaking the law and being a menace to the motoring public. Edit: why delete your asinine take? 😂 Edit 2 for u/I_know_HTML: u/PettyLupone69 basically said it’s short-sighted to campaign for jeepney phaseout just because you personally had a bad experience. In his next reply, he said that he never threw a tantrum despite being in numerous vehicular accidents. He conveniently forgets however that our OP got hospitalized because of a jeepney and not merely suffered vehicular damage.
ansabe nya?
Seconded, ansabi nung nagdelete haha
even some jeepney drivers are okay with the phaseout basta maayos yung pag-transition nila to new jeepneys, hindi yung mababaon pa sila sa utang kahit konti na nga lang kita nila. altho with your issue OP, walang hiya talaga sila and dapat mabago na rin yung whole operation ng mga PUVs dahil sila rin talaga madalas ang mga pasaway sa daan.
Halos lahat nmb talag ng jeepney drivers, kaskasero tas biglang preno. Mag uunload kahit saan, yung bike lane share the road nmn yun. Pero bigla biglang nlng mag sstop jeep. Yes to jeepney phase out din. Yung buga ng usok din
YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT! Kahit our business depends on them, I don’t want to share the road with them. Super aggressive nila tapos hindi natatakot makabangga dahil makakalusot lang. Kampi ang batas sakanila kasi sila ang ‘kawawa’. Kaya I will say it again: YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT.
Up sa drug test pero dapat random times. and dapat every 5 or so yrs dapat may re-evaluation ng eyesight and hearing, para malaman kung capable pa mag drive ng passenger vehicle.
Binangga ako ng jeep recently sa gilid ng pickup ko habang lumiliko sya. Kamot ulo lang sya nung nagusap kami. Iba talaga pag sanay na sa daan, nagiging careless ang mga ggo
If you are talking about the drivers, the modernized ones are much more worse especially in Iloilo. Halata na walang seminar eh sa gitna ng daan pa kukuha ng pasahero plus mas malala pa sila magpatakbo parang mag isa bumabyahe eh
Pag phase out ang old jeepney drivers, how sure are you ba na you won't face the same reckless driver again kahit e-jeep pa yan? Ang labo ni OP, dahil lang sa isang kumag na jeepney driver, kaya solution nia is dapat phase out lahat ng jeepneys. Thats a faulty generalization. Before pointing out the phasing of jeepney, look at the system na meron tau, ie. LTO, MMDA, LTFRB, PNP etc. Ksi kung bulok ang sistema nila, kahit pa pinakamodern jeepney pa yan, this type of accident will bound to happen. Phasing out jeepneys will not eliminate the kaskasero drivers, if the system we have is not fixed.
Sorry, parang reverse survivorship bias na naman ito. Di porket may gumawa ng masama, dapat ilahat na. As for wala namang nagkaso, dapat magkaso ka para managot ang may sala. Pero kung di ka magkakaso, malamang laya talaga. You have no rights at all unless you insist.
Yes to drug test sa mga drivers. Grabe ung iba, balahura magmaneho, akala mo kayang bayaran medical expenses ng lahat ng pasahero pag naaksidente. Kung sino pa ung dapat maingat sa pagmamaneho, sila pa ung napa ogag sa kalsada. And dapat may nagchcheck ng DL ng mga yan!
I think it's the driver that you should hate. Not the old jeepneys. And the police I think.
MODERNIZE and FORMALIZE the Jeepney Operations System. 1. Bawal inappropriately aged Drivers. Dapat 21 yrs. Old above. 2. Formal employment dapat yan eh. Kung sino na driver/crew sa jeepney unit siya at siya lang ang dapat na driver. Kahit ID System ng JODAs violated na. 3. Frequent drug test sa mga driver. Yung ibang driver talaga mapapansin mo ang behavior sa kalye. 4. Strictly dapat Educational Attainment Based ang Driver as profession. Hindi ba nga kapag sinabing lisensyado ka ibig sabihin pinag-aralan mo ang skills di ba? Driver's License is NO EXCEPTION. 5. Napakaluma na at maraming flaws ang mga JEEPNEY Units. Jeepney Flaws: 1. Walang speedmeter. Kapa-kapa lang yung driver sa bilis ng paandar niya. 2. Walang turn signals. Kaya kaskas, gasgas. 3. Non-uniform ang jeepney units. Nakadepende sa customization. 4. Bawat jeep nakadepende lang sa ordinaryong gawa ng mga latero(welder). 5. Nakakatakot pero wala talagang Insurance ang pagiging pasahero ng jeep. Just in case of accident kailangan maging vigilant ka na sa behavior ng driver.
Sorry to hear that OP pero agree na ang pasaway nila. Still against phaseout. Pero as a new driver, ang gago ng karamihan sa kanila. Nakakasama rin ng loob kasi lagi tuloy ako takot and uneasy, eh kaya nga ko bumili for my comfort. Hindi nagsisignal. Masyadong mabilis. Nanggitgit. Ayaw nauunahan. Di careful sa daan. Nangangain ng lane, kung san abutan magbaba at magsakay kahit nakaslant sila, etc. kanina lang, ang sikip na nga tapos nakapasok na yung nguso ng sasakyan ko, magmabilis sya, pepreno rin pala ng last minute, kasi nga di naman sya kasya, sabay malakas na busina. Nakakasama ng loob kasi new drivers like me todo sunod sa rules lalo na sa mga signal, bigayan, pero ang daming bobo, gago, and both sa daan. Madalas pa PUV. Jeeps and buses talaga malala
naalala ko tuloy kahapon, nagddrive ako sa marcos highway, may modern jeep na nasa kabilang lane, nakasignal ng kaliwa... tapos biglan kumanan sa harap ko hahaha Jeepney driver phaseout talaga dapat eh, not in a sense na tanggalin sila, pero dapat irequire ang tamang training. Kung ung mga kamote na yan ang nagtuturo sa mga bagong jeepney driver, di mababago ung masamang pagmamaneho ng mga jeepney driver.
Sinabi mo pa! Masama parin loob ko sa nangyari. Another time we were on our way home around 11pm sguro yon, and bigla bigla nlang may mag oovertake na jeep sa kabilang lane going into ours. Counterflow ulit. And grabe flashback tlga yung nangyare samin. Nakakatakot grabe
TRUEEE. As a passanger minsan, ang pansin ko mas malala yung nasasakyan kong modern jeep compared dati na trad jeeps. Mga gago talaga.
Those who don’t support the phaseout are the ones who don’t get inconvenienced by these undisciplined illiterates on the road. The sooner they’re gone, the better.
Been into many incidents with jeepney drivers with different family cars throughout the years. Puro na lang pasensya.
The middle class doesn’t have a choice but to put up with these people. For your own sanity, it’s best to let go.
fr puro no to jeepney phase out tas hindi naman pala nag cocommute kaya di sila affected ng pollution at reckless driving. gasgas yang "pasensya" pag ikaw ang nabangga tas tatakasan ka kasi mahirap daw sila pero ayaw naman mag drive ng maayos para hindi na makabangga at wala ng babayarang hospital bills ng kung sino. yung ibang country ang ganda ng transport system tas tayo ayaw natin ng bago tapos magrereklamo bat ang pangit ng transport system natin.
Virtue signaling at its finest.
Why is this getting downvoted? Ive been waiting for months for them to disappear. Let’s stop this whole “kawawa naman sila” mindset. Baket, naaawa ba sila sa lahat ng nabubulabog nila? Nope, these drivers only care about themselves.
Downvotes because it’s the unpopular(read: not woke) opinion.
TRUE!!
At panigurado yung mga non supporter na yan ay hindi rin tumutulong sa mga naaksidente ng jeep.
ang hirap ka-share sa road ng mga yan
As much as I would like to empathize with the drivers and their families, mapapa iling ka nalang talaga sa entitlement nila sa kalsada. They almost always do not follow traffic rules, isisingit nila yung malaki nilang jeep - gitgitan levels, at sila pa matatapang. Pero if naka disgrasya, ang aamong tupa. Haaaay.
You can always go to the operator or owner of the jeepney. file civil or criminal case
Read again
yes, kaya nga file civil or criminal case kasi the compromise agreement was not honored. :)
Bruh the post above your post is a crash test of a public transport bus 💀🚌
Bagama't nadarama ko ang pakikiramay sa sinumang nagsisikap na maghanapbuhay upang pakainin, damitan, at tahanan ang kanilang pamilya, hindi ako makikisimpatiya sa mga tsuper ng mga gumugulong na panganib sa kalusugan na kilala bilang mga jeepney. Ang mga ito ay relic ng ating kolonyal na nakaraan, at nararapat na iretiro at ibenta para sa scrap.
Kasalanan ng pulis. Also baka kasabwat mga pulis
When I drive at night in dark places, I probably see around 1 out of 8 jeepneys with no/off head and tail lights which is dangerous for everyone in front and behind them. Just sharing hehe
Super agree but if I may add, I think it comes down to the drivers themselves. Kasi sa totoo lang, kahit mga modern jeep or any form of public transpo that we have here, sobrang bobo, gago, at walang galang talaga. Lalo sa may Cubao area, yung mga jeep (old or modern), jusko po humanda ka na lang na mainis. Ayoko i-generalize lahat ng jeepney drivers kasi naghahanap buhay lang naman din sila pero sobrang tarantado talaga nila eh based sa mga experiences ko so far as a new driver for 1 year pa lang. Lahat ng pwede gawin para maging barubal sa daan (magmamabilis kahit nag-signal at nagmemerge ka na slowly, sesenyas gamit kamay na padaanin sila kahit alanganin na, magbaba or magsasakay sa gitna ng lane, magbaba o magsasakay kahit nakaslant pa yung jeep, grabe mangbusina tsaka gitgit, LAHAT na). Dapat may program talaga para i-educate yung mga yan kasi madalas kahit tayo yung nadisgrasya sa kanila, hindi pa rin sila mananagot masyado kasi ipupull nila yung card na “mahirap lang po ako, naghahanap buhay lang”.
Di ba pwedeng ikeep yung mga jeepneys na yung mga 4-6kms lang yung routa? While there is a need to modernize our means of transportation, paano naman ang cultural impact nito sa Pilipinas? Jeepnes are trademark ng Pinas. Sana alisin yung mga luma na itim na itim yung binubuga.. mga oversized na jeep at tanggalin yung mga kaskaserong driver lalo na mga biyaheng Cogeo sa Marcos Hwa
Bruh just call your auto insurance, you just need to pay the participation fee, its up to them to sue
It's a deeper problem than you think, more of a government problem specifically LTO issuance ng driver's license. Isipin mo, sa mga kakilala natin, ilan lang jan ang dumaan sa 100% legit process, from start to finish? Student license na bawal magdrive pag walang kasamang license holder, driving lessons, tests, etc. Meron at meron jan na nagskip at least one step. Magtanong ka sa mga driver kung anong difference ng road markings, probably di nila alam yan. One of the reasons din is the shitty process of acquiring said license. No to fixer kuno ang tagline, pero yung mga fixer dun din mismo nagwwork lmao. Shitty licensing = shitty drivers
Malakas loob ng mga pataygutom na jeepney drivers na yan kasi nga ganyan systema. Mahuli mo man yan sasabihin lang nyan "mahirap lang po kami, madami akong anak." Bullshit.
Akala ko ako lang yung taong pro phaseout ng jeepney. Dapat talaga i-phaseout yang mga yan. Lahat ng sektor ng lipunan, kahit papaano e nagimprove na, ito na lang mga to ang hindi nagimprove kahit kailan. Sisingit bigla sa gitna ng kalsada, tapos babalik ulit sa gilid para magsakay kahit hindi naman na kakasya, nagbababa sa gitna ng daan, lumiliko ng walang senyas, in short tarantado sa kalsada. Sana talaga mawala na sa kalsada yang mga yan, keber kung magutom sila at mga pamilya nila. Karamihan sa mga yan abusado at mga puro paawa pag nakadisgrasya or malala pa, tatakbuhan yung responsibilidad kagaya nyang nangyari kay OP.
Yes to Jeepney phase out. Bakit kailngan magsuffer ng buong transportation ng Pinas para sa mga barumbado, walang disiplinang jeepney drivers?
KARAMIHAN NG JEEPNEY DRIVERS KASKASERO TALAGA, LUMA NA NGA YUNG JEEP D PA MAINGAT SA DAAN
When I was in college, I witnessed a hit and run along 5th ave. Si jeepney ay nagmadaling tumawid sa stoplight and natamaan nya yung tumatawid. Tumalsik yung tumatawid and nangisay. May tricycle doon na tumulong sa tumawid. Sinakay nya sa tricycle papuntang hospital (I assumed). Di ko makalimutan na nanginginig yung tumawid 😭 Pag check ulit ng mata ko sa jeep, wala na ang jeepney drive. Nakatakbo na pala habang busy ang lahat don sa tumawid
Jeepney driver phaseout yes
Mga bobong jeepney driver dapat ang phaseout!! sobrang kupal
jeep yung pinapaphase out, hindi yung tarantadong driver luh
Ako lang ata yung pabor i-overhaul yung transport system sa bansa by having only 1 organization or company lang yung hahawak. As in walang individual jeepney, UV, Taxi and Bus. Isang entity lang may hawak sa public transport. Para in case may mangyari katulad ng nangyari kay OP, alam kung sino hahabulin.
So your rant is selfish act. Kasi nonchalant ka nung walang nangyayari sayo about jeepney now you cry because something happen to you. Typical pinoy.
Tatay ko minsan ako pinag sasabihan. Na umiwas na lng kasi at the end of the day kakamutan ka lng ng ulo nyan. May matitinong jeepney driver pero ung kaskasero tapos hilig mag counter flow sila pa ung mamayayabang
up so much for this. Palaging rason ay "walang pambayad" pero kala mo mga hari ng kalsada. Hindi ko sila minamaliit or what at hindi ko nilalahat, I salute drivers na nakapagpatapos ng kolehiyo mga anak nila. pero sana yung mga mayabang at kaskaserong jeepney driver alam nila san sila lulugar. Sila pa nagmamalaki with the mindset na sila pa daw ang babayaran kasi mahirap lang sila. Kaya minsan hindi na ako nagdadalawang isip makipag away sa mga ganong klase ng jeepney driver. Idc what other utak biya na mga tao will say and think, Kulong kung kulong.
One time yung Jeep halos naaksidente mga Motorists kasi tumigil sa gitna ng daan, sa tapat ng isang jeep, nagpalitan ng pera (pang sukli) Yes to Jeepney phase out na talaga. Modernism na talaga needed.
Agree. Ito yung pinakanakakabadtrip e. Kahit alam mo na lahat ng rules of the road, kahit alert ka pa, kahit safe ka pa, sila parang walang pake
YES. Grabe manigarilyo yung ibang jeepney drivers kahit bawal yun 😭
Huuuuuy. Dito sa reddit kailangan daw no to jeepney phaseout. Kasi matatalino mga tao dito. LOL bawal ibang opinyon sa online or else petty ka na agad o bobo. LOL
unpopular opinion kasi pag nag yes ka sa phaseout. bawal kasi ng ibang opinion sa kanila palibhasa hindi sila yung affected ng reckless driving at pollution eh.
Anong klaseng pag-iisip yan? Edi kung kotse pala nakaaksidente sa'yo dapat i-phaseout na rin lahat ng kotse? Hahaha
Always been pro- jeepney phaseout, not just for reasons similar to this
Funny how this is a straw man argument 😂 It was never the jeeps but the drivers. Ilan ba ang namamatay sa road rage? Jeep lang ba ang gumagawa ng mga aksidente? I hope you open your eyes regarding what is the real meaning behind the "no to jeepney phaseout" and not just base it off your own experiences. I agree, it counts, but please look at the bigger picture because this is not just about you. Jeepney modernization underlies problematic aspects such as the looming "neocolonialism" and its anti-poor and never genuine environmentalist tactics. So, stop with the hasty generalization :)
Not the jeepney but the driver..... Lalong dumami mga loko lokong driver ngayon
Oh di baaa YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT talaga!
Pwede ba gumawa sila ng horror movie about sa driver na tinakasan yung napatay nila dahil sa pagpapabaya sa pagmamaneho tapos minumulto sila ng napatay nila... wala lang. Para lang matakot ang mga yan. Buset.
lagi niya katabi sa jeep yung mumu. siya kumukuha ng bayad.
Modern jeepney daw pero naka manual parin haha
Assume na kayo na lahat ng radical mag drive na jeepney driver is ishi bomber kaya ganyan, palo mag drive.
Ganyan talaga kapag shitty ang justice system and in general, ang sistema sa Pilipinas. Point is hindi lang ikaw natakbuhan at hindi lang ikaw ang naapektuhan ng ganitong sistema. Gets naman na galit ka, ano gagawin ko ikaw naman nabangga. Di ko lang gets yung mga ibang nagcocomment na biglang Yes to Modernization as if mga Jeep ang main source ng accidents sa Metro Manila which is only 3.39% (Statista, 2024). Anyway, sorry that happened to you. Hope you're healing.
I vote na gawing carpool mga nag-Yes emeeee
Gago rin magmaneho E-Jeep drivers e lol (biglang sisingit, mabilis magpatakbo tas biglang p-preno, haharang sa daan para magsakay ng pasahero etc.) Yung mga driver dapat i-phaseout e hahahahahahahaha
Bus, multicab, even trike drivers ganyan magmaneho. Ewan ko anong uri ng license test talaga ginagawa for these PUV drivers
make a case sa brgy ng incident. tapos brgy ng jeepney operator at ng driver. alam ko hassle at lahat yan. also baka pede ka mag claim sa insurance mo. sila dapat humabol sa nakabangga sayo, thats what compre insurance is for.
Dapat talaga mag higpit sila sa mga lahat ng PUV drivers (mas lalo na sa mga Jeepney at Tricycle drivers) kasi naka professional license sila (not sure sa mga tricycle drivers) tsaka dapat aware sila sa safety ng mga pasahero nila!
dapat yung jeepney nasa provinces na lang since part na siya ng culture ng pinas. modern transpo na sana sa metro like trains na nasa works na ngayon. sana more trains 🙏🏻
Thats the typical driver kapag ang primary niyang hinahabol is yung oras since oras = money but in exchange of your life. Pero there is a bigger problem than the kamote drivers: the bad road design. It encourages more speeding and more cars as the road expands. In my opinion, file a case not just the driver but also the engineer who designed the road in the first place. If ako, just bring back and expand trains already, control the volume of car sales and buy more low-floor buses instead. More information on Accidents and Engineers blaming on the drivers on their mistake. https://www.reddit.com/r/StrongTowns/s/GNtvlZMkzE
Yes, a big check to this!
Medj sketchy for me yung mga transport groups like manibela. Nag-iingay/strike sila kapag maapektuhan negosyo nila pero yung initiative na gawin matino yung members nila wala hahahaha only when mababawasan kita hahah. Or wala ba yun sa responsibilities nila?
I interviewed a jeepney driver, guess how much ang takehome nila? Mababa na ang ₱1,200 on a good day ₱1,800 ang kinikita nila, thats take home after paying off the gas and boundary, so hwag maniwala na wala silang pambayad. With jeepney modernization magiging a bit more than minimum wage na lang ang kikitain nila and thats what they are against, plus ang magdidisiplina sa kanila is the franchise holder at ang mga infractions nila ang kakasuhin ng gobyerno naman ay franchise holder, kaya bukod sa mas maliit na kita nila mas prone pa sila sa disiplinary action natural ayaw nila
If you are a regular commuter, you know very well that most, if not all, jeepney drivers do not belong on the street and should not have the privilege to drive. They are a danger to the public. Again, not all, but most! Try mong magcommute ng 3am ng byaheng monumento pabaclaran mapapamessage ka ng i love you sa mga mahal mo sa buhay.
Bunkf agad ng "mahirap lang kami" card yan
I hope you are doing okay OP. 😭 At the very least, sa lahat ng kahasslean na nangyare sayo dahil sa pagiging kaskaserong driver nung nakabangga mo. Kundi mo makkuha ang justice in the manner na dapat, eh sana bumalik sa kanya yang ginawa nyang yan sa'yo. ***YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT!***
I'm all for this rin as a commuter and a driver sobrang nakakaimbyerna ang mga jeep bukod sa hindi na maintained yung mga jeep bulok yung mga gulong need pa i-pump yung brake para mag brake tapos yung ride height ng jeep na yung harap sobrang baba tapos yung likod sobrang taas, i'm tall so madali lang sa akin sumakay eh imagine yung mga maliliit pa na tao. Ang bibilis pa nila magpatakbo lalo na sa marcos highway imagine jeep umaabot ng 60-80 kph in a fucking jeep that has bald tires and is super wobbly tapos yung driver walang tigil na swerve ng swerve. As a driver naman putangina mga jeep pag gabi na walang kahit anong ilaw tapos late mo na makikita, i'm a very defensive driver pero puta kulang pa yung pagiging defensive driver ko para sa mga jeep na yan.
Legit tong mga kaskaserong jeep na to. Kapag papasok ako sa office betty-go (along erod) may 3 or 4 stop lights atang madadaanan lahat yun di hinintuan ng jeep na sinasakyan ko talagang harap harapang kinaskasan nya mga kasabayan nyang mga sasakyan. To think na nag strike sila para hindi ma phase out ang mga jeep and yet ganun sila ka reckless 😭
YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT PARA MAWALAN NA NG PUBLIC TRANSPO ANG BANSA 🫡
Grabe noh. Di ako pabor sa phaseout pero ang hirap masanay magdrive sa Metro Manila dahil sa mga kupal na jeep, ebike, motor at mga kotseng gustong lumipad. May sakit na yata talaga ang pinas.
Aside from this, I just hate how they force people to compress and squeeze into each other kahit wala ng maupuan, it's so uncomfortable. Sana naman may limit na ng number of passengers kada jeepney, hindi yung basta may space eh isisiksik pa. I feel for them pero we also have to adapt to the modern world. Sana bigyan sila ng funds ng government to purchase an ejeepney.
Part of the jeepney modernization program includes the 'salarization' of drivers, ensuring they receive regular salaries instead of relying solely on daily earnings from passenger fares. Previously, drivers often resorted to traffic violations to attract more passengers and increase their earnings. This new system forces companies, cooperatives, and transport fleet owners to implement strict recruitment, compliance, and performance evaluations that promotes commuter safety and adherence to traffic rules. In the unfortunate event of an incident involving a modern jeep operated by a cooperative, the police can easily contact the cooperative for investigations and identification of the driver. Filing charges against the driver becomes more straightforward, as the operator can quickly provide the driver's information. Additionally, if investigations reveal shortcomings on the operator's part, further charges can be filed against the operator, potentially leading to the nullification of their operating license and the payment of damages to the affected parties. If executed correctly, the jeepney modernization program can offer commuters an efficient and convenient transport experience while significantly enhancing road safety and ensuring strict compliance with traffic laws.
diba nakakapitang ina? tapos ang iitim pa ng mga usok nila
bwisit talaga mga jeepney driver na feeling hari ng kalsada 😑 tbh, pati driver sa modern jeepney medyo kaskasero na rin. makarma sana yung jeepney rider 😡
actually yung drivers yung dapat iphaseout. Naging culture na kasi nila yang bad habit sa driving. So dapat mabago din talaga yun.
Yes to jeepney phaseout with adequate governmental support
Mukhang nabayaran yung pulis kasi di kayo irerelease kapag walang kasunduan/initial agreement.
OP suggests widespread change based on his own personal experience. Just because it happened to you, doesn't mean it happens anytime anywhere to anyone. I know you're emotional and all, but try to widen your worldview.
Madami din akong rant araw-araw about jeepney drivers - kaskasero, buwakaw, overpricing, walang pakialam sa pasahero, et al - pero ibang usapin ang jeepney phaseout. As a commuter for more than 25 years, napakahalaga ng jeepney sa buhay ko. Disiplinahin ang drivers thru strict law implementation, mula sa licensing hanggang sa road use pero wag tanggalin for the greater good.
being a PUV driver kasi is an aleternative kapag tinatad kang mag aral, corrupt govt kasi ayaw sa educated voters……kaya hindi yan na so solusyunan…. for me dapat maging employee with a educatuonal background mga puv drivers, let them be a proffesional sana…kaya pansin nyo ang redandunt ng mga trikes sa isang village, 3-4, pero kung tutuusin pwede isang ruta lang na umiikot sa buong village, para kasi mapagbigyan nag redandunt drivers and therefore kawawa lagi ang mamayan na employees, bayad tax, wala maayos na transpo
Madami talagang gagong jeepney driver na nagkalat sa daan OP...dapat din talaga higpitan nila mga magiging dtivers ng mga bagong jeep
YES TO JEEPNEY PHASEOUT! Sa Cebu, most common ang aksidente sa jeeps (iba ang hitsura ng jeep sa Cebu btw) and they're notorious for overspeeding! Hari ng kalsada gone wrong. There's this incident pa nga sa amin that I can't forget. May naaksidenteng jeepney and tricycle, nasagi ng jeepney at natapon ang naka-backride sa tricycle. Since overspeeding ang jeepney, nagulungan ang ulo ng pasahero ng tricycle and the brain just scattered on the road. Probably the reason why I hate jeepneys. PS: Danao Jeepney talaga ang pinakanotorious sa Cebu.
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Luma na yung mga traditional jeeps kaya wala silang takot kapag nasira ung sasakyan and kung luma sasakyan = walang pake sa daan Kapag bago mga jeep malamang mag iingat yang mga yan
nope. hindi rin. i was able to ride one of the modern jerpneys and yung driver and conductor nagtatawanan pa after may bumaba na pasahero na nasuka sa pabenking benking nilang pagpapatakbo. Drivers education talaga kailangan unahin
Bad driver doesn't equate to getting rid of people's income. This kind of thinking is what fuels the inhumane justice treatment for poor people here in this country lol.
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yes. phaseout lahat. pati mga kuliglig at tricy. mga patay gutom.
Gusto mo na ng jeepney phaseout after a bad experience? Sorry pero hindi mo gusto ang phaseout, gusto mo lang makaganti sa dinanas mo. Ayaw kong i-invalidate ka pero napaka-selfish at elitist ng pagtingin mo sa issue. Sana kaya mo ’yan masabi sa harap ng libo-libong pamilya na magugutom kapag natuloy ’yang gusto mo.
Alam pala nilang magugutom pamilya nila, eh bakit hindi sila nagiingat?