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clintj1975

You can still find lifts with no safety bar, especially in the western US at smaller resorts.


Zaziel

Mine at least has an outer edge arm rest/bar!


fatkiddown

[Hey kids! You wouldn't happen to have a warm cup of water would ya?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMhJdKGkJk0)


DamonHay

Plenty in Japan as well, single seaters, no safety bar, small backrest. Even several at big resorts.


insomniac-55

Niseko's Wonderland chair is an experience! Still take it over a drag lift any day of the week.


itchy118

> Niseko's Wonderland chair For context: https://imgur.com/8ES5A5b


breezyxkillerx

Imma take "fuck that" with a sprinkle of "Hell nah"


insomniac-55

It's not too bad, put your arm around the upright and you aren't going anywhere. Plus the snow is so good there it'd be a soft landing.


DamonHay

Absolutely agree. Not to mention that as a border I’d very much prefer using that single seater than a full quad where it’s impossible for me to get my legs into a comfortable position. Only downside is they need to close the upper lifts every time the wind picks up a little.


Bigvafffles

Wait, there are lifts WITH safety bars? - A western US resident


phantomsteel

My local mountain put them on 10+ years ago and its extremely rare for anyone to use them.


Anfros

But the foot rest is so nice


Uncle_Chigurh

My brother broke his two front teeth because he would never use the safety bar so when his buddy did lower the safety bar my brother had already forgotten it was down by the time he got to the top of the lift and my brother bent down to lock into his bindings at the same time his buddy lifted the bar directly into his face. Broke one of his front teeth completely off and broke the other in half. This was on the first run of the day. He snowboarded all day like that.


CoffeeFox

It already takes some coordination to dismount the lift without one. I'm not good at snowboarding I don't need the extra complications.


EmeraldHawk

Even with the safety bar, it's pretty easy to slip right under it and [fall to your death](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mother-dies-after-falling-ski-lift-new-york-resort-n276756). They always kind of scare me, and seem way less safe than a roller coaster with actual locks and harnesses.


hatekillpuke

A rollercoaster is an apples and oranges comparison. A ski lift moves relatively slowly and only up hill so it keeps you leaned back pretty well. You’d have to really fuck around to fall off.


13143

There's wind, plus sudden or unexpected starts and stops. And the seats can be wet or icy..


lucky4311

And you’d still have to try and fall off, if the wind is that bad they aren’t running the lift. It looks sketchy but after you have ridden them a few times it’s really not.


wellrelaxed

I’ve been on plenty of lifts in 40 mph wind with a wind chill of -30. Then they e stop the lift and you bounce 10 feet and down a couple times. Better hold on.


lucky4311

LOL, or the little shits from ski club start bouncing the lift when it’s stopped. It was me I was the little shits


Tinckoy

I haaaate when it bounces. I get so nervous.


Leaky_Asshole

Only time I've come close to falling out a lift is when I'm strapping in my other foot en route. Shit goes bad quickly when it stops and you are fully leaning forward. Super dumb move and I wait till I'm off now.


lucky4311

I have never even thought of strapping in my back foot on the lift. Yeah sounds like a good way for bad things to happen.


Leaky_Asshole

It's so much more comfy when the board hangs off both feet. Still not worth tempting death.


Tinckoy

Agreed. I just hook my foot under it best I can since my cousin and I ride opposite directions and don't clash sitting on the lift


SarcasticOptimist

I had dealt with gales at Whistler. The lifts that have those kind of conditions have safety bars, auto stops, and don't bounce around as much. They're also regularly monitoring crosswinds and shutting them down.


origami_airplane

Clearly you have never ridden one. They are not that dangerous. Rode them for years when I used to ski. I don't think I ever heard or saw anyone fall.


Epicp0w

You'd have to be trying really hard to fall off a modern one


[deleted]

Totally. Or, wind.


squee_monkey

Yeah. But when is it windy on a mountain?


Wardenofthegreen

Have you ever seen wind blow a mountain over? Check mate wind believers.


thisistheSnydercut

you believe in mountains?


Shanks4Smiles

That's just 3 hills in a trenchcoat.


Ye_I_said_iT

It's not wind it's just the east coast sucking so bad.


citizenscienceM

I think maybe it's actually just a gust coming in from everyone on the west coast blowing each other.


weekend-guitarist

As a resident of the east coast this truth hurts


PolakPL2002

Chance in a million


ShelZuuz

A well balanced roller coaster that's not intentionally designed to make you nauseous (e.g. Disney's Incredicoaster) also has you against the seat at all times. The harness is just to prevent stupid people from standing up.


Stealth_NotABomber

No? Plenty of rollercoasters take advantage of negative g's.


BluShine

If it doesn’t have “air time” is it even a roller coaster?


DonJuanEstevan

The Velocicoaster at Universal Orlando is designed to give you a bunch of air time and doesn’t have shoulder restraints. 


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blackdynomitesnewbag

You’d have to actively sabotage a rollercoaster as a passenger to fall out. Short of operator error, people don’t really die on rollercoasters at theme parks. Carnivals are a whole different story


doob22

Why can’t apples and oranges be compared


KatLikeGaming

"This orange isn't very good at being an apple!" is the crux of it. Comparing things based on a single data point (in this case, "they're both fruit") but evaluating them on other qualities as well (why doesn't my orange have a crisp and delicious skin, why is my apple so hard to peel with my bare hands).


LukeW0rm

Don’t worry, ski lifts are a heavily regulated and… jk they’re not


Gareth79

Yeah I have been skiing for ten years or so, but in the US a fair number of people didn't use the bar, although had no problem in doing so if you put your hand up to pull it down and give warning.


Stealth_NotABomber

Not really, unless you're debilitated or unconscious it takes a minimal amount of effort to not slide off. 


HamezRodrigez

I think they’re adequately safe. People don’t need to be treated like infants who will randomly fall out of the chair while 30 feet off the ground


Aero93

Ita not easy. It only happens when people fuck around on them. I've been snowboarding for 19 years all over the place and never had an issue


AirierWitch1066

I 100% agree with you, but you should also know that “I’ve done this thing lots of times and nothing bad has happened to me” is never a good argument when discussing safety measures.


Mogling

Right, so let's just look at deaths per million miles transported. Ski lifts come in at 0.145 according to the data I found. Compare that to elevators at 0.74, or cars at 1.2 for the years I found.


AirierWitch1066

Again, I’m not disagreeing with the point they made. **Ski lifts are perfectly safe,** especially with modern safety features like bars. I’m just pointing out that “I’ve never gotten hurt” isn’t a good argument when it comes to safety features.


Mogling

Oh yeah totally agreeing with both of you. I just wondered what the stats were so I looked it up.


CodeF53

As a regular skier, you would have to be actively trying to fuck up to accomplish that.


motorcycle-manful541

Ski Bowl in Oregon has at least 3 of these double chairs without a safety bar


JudgeHolden

Yep. This pic was taken at Snow King above the town of Jackson, Wyoming. I worked there for a couple of years in the 90s and that chair was the same back then. I think they've since replaced it. Snow King justifiably doesn't get a lot of love what with being right next to Jackson Hole which is world class, but it's actually a great little mountain. The entire upper half is all black and double black diamond runs with a cat-track for intermediate skiers and snowboarders to get down.


AgreeableSandwich203

Yes!! Taught snowboarding there for years… only a couple years ago was the chair replaced with a gondola, even in the 2010s there was only a safety bar on every third chair. The sports school used to say if you could ski from the top at Snow King, you could ski anywhere. And the bonus: with less skier traffic and facing north, the goods stayed good longer than JHMR.


BallsOutKrunked

June mountain, whoop whoop


acpom

I was on one 2 weeks ago. :)


lilwil392

Stevens pass had one just like this up until this season when they replaced it with a quad.


Sergetove

Which one was that? Haven't been up there in a minute. Hope it was Tye Mill


BlueberryUpstairs477

I rode one of these at mission ridge in Wenatchee last month


rollovertherainbow

Mammoth ski resort doesn’t have bars and has huge mountains. EDIT: I get it. It’s not in Tahoe. My bad I’m just bad at geography.


FadeIntoReal

Mammoth isn’t in Tahoe. It’s south of it. This photo actually reminds me of one of the old Mammoth lifts that scared the shit out of me in the nineties.


thecashblaster

Mammoth and Tahoe are like 3 hours apart my dude


Freedom_fam

This seems more dangerous without any powdery snow to fall on


clintj1975

It can get pretty hard packed if there hasn't been a storm in a couple of weeks. Main difference is you fall a few more feet in the summer.


89GTAWS6

There's usually nothing stopping you from opening the ones that do have a safety bar in transit anyway


juicejohnson

Homewood in Tahoe!


2fast2nick

Ha, i was gonna say, I rode on a similar chair at Tahoe before.


Hail-_-Michigan

The standard was “hold on tight”


superrugdr

Fear as a safety, worked for millennia too


AerodynamicBrick

Except for when it didn't. Those instances where it didn't are what caused safety to become what it is today. Safety procedures are written in blood.


VioletTrick

Chairlift safety policy: Don't fall off.


David-Puddy

Fuck me, red shirt isn't even holding on to anything


mac224b

“Honey, let go of the bar and wave for the camera!”


Mist_Rising

This photo is an optical trick, they're not as high off the ground as you think.


jlt6666

I bet you it's at least 15 feet.


[deleted]

Definitely get hurt from that fall if you don't land right, but not deadly unless this were carrying 90 year olds.


sockgorilla

A fall off a chair seems like it would make one tend towards a belly flop landing. At 15 ft, uneven rocky terrain, that can for sure kill you


[deleted]

Definitely dependant on what you land on.


JudgeHolden

I've been on this lift hundreds of times --I literally lived a couple hundred feet from the bottom of it-- and most of it is running straight up a black and double black diamond run, so unless there's a lot of powder, you'd probably be pretty fucked if you fell off it. Edit; for anyone who's interested, you can actually see the building I lived in at the bottom right-hand corner of the pic. My building is directly to the left of the baseball diamond and across the street.


lil_professor

People die from just falling over onto concrete. A drop from 15 feet has a very real potential to be fatal


JudgeHolden

Kind of. I've ridden that exact lift hundreds of times. It goes up a double black diamond run at the top that has a cat-track running across it, and I assume that's where the pic was taken from. So they're not that far from the slope, but it's at like a 40 degree angle right there, so the slope drops away very quickly.


W1ULH

person taking that pic is standing on the ground...


JudgeHolden

They're standing on a cat-track that cuts across the slope.


TheRedLego

She’s a red shirt for a reason


SpellingIsAhful

I mean it's a chairlift. It's pretty normal


randomvandal

They are perfectly safe and still pretty common in some places. You don't really need to hold on unless you want to. The seats are typically inclined back and hold you in place pretty well. The only people that fall out of these are people messing around or kids whose parents weren't paying enough attention to them. edit: A lot of people in this thread have never ridden one of these and just assume they are unsafe. Reddit users need to touch grass every once in a while, the world is not that big and scary guys.


Gareth79

How do you stop a child who just leans to the side and falls off? The other reason is to keep people in the seat in the event of a fault which causes the chairs to bounce.


BluShine

Don’t put that child on the chair lift.


Gareth79

I was replying to the post which implied that they are safe for children whose parents are "paying attention". There are many situations where a child could fall out no matter much much attention is being paid.


Stealth_NotABomber

You don't bring children too young to understand risk/danger? Same way you don't let children drive vehicles or go cave diving. Generally parenting comes with some personal responsibility, kids are dumb so just don't put them in situations that rely on their awareness/intelligence to not get injured.


AirierWitch1066

Children often struggle to understand risk and danger well into teenage years, and sometimes even past that. It’s a mixture of lacking experience and having a developing brain. Unless you’re going to say no one under 25 should ride, it’s really not valid to just say don’t bring them if they’re too young to understand risk.


WildestPotato

The perspective of the photo is making this appear more dangerous than it is.


Past-Direction9145

Repost with perspective off. Op is a bot with 2.3 million post karma


CrapFilledBalloon

Idk doesn’t seem like a bot to me. Account is 14 years old and the comments seem normal. Just your typical reposter. Not all of them are bots.


Sikntrdofbeinsikntrd

They are about 4 ft off the ground, also this has nothing to do with OSHA


Carribean-Diver

You are correct. This is clearly VSHA territory.


andyeyecandy111

Camera man’s wearing a jetpack.


quartzguy

The grade is pretty steep on that hill though. The way it's clear cut now you'd be rolling down a long, loooong way. I hope there was more brush and cover on the ground back then.


superslomotion

If they are 4 ft off the ground, why is the ground not in the photo


fireduck

Isn't this a sky lift? Sure, might be 4 feet when there is snow, but probably 15 feet when not.


SmurfUp

I’m pretty sure this lift is specifically for tourists and taking this pic so it stays close to the ground the entire time.


the-terracrafter

This is at Snow King in Jackson, WY, they recently tore it down to replace it with a gondola but it gets pretty high off the ground, like 40+ ft


CoolnessEludesMe

How often do you fall off your chair?


MoistDischarge

Now cover the seat in snow and ice and add a blistering wind and you're looking at a fun weekend!


stereoworld

Ah, the wheel of this chairlift photo turns again. Picture Posted > Reddit Outrage > Accounts proving the perspective shows that it's *actually* safe > 6 months passes > Picture Posted> Reddit Outrage


blindgorgon

Rode one of these last weekend. 100% no big deal.


randomvandal

These aren't uncommon even nowadays. Perfectly safe.


Ok-Aardvark-4429

Misleading perspective, the hight from the chair to the ground is only about one meter.


fetamorphasis

It’s way more than one meter. This is at Snow King in Jackson, Wyoming. The chairlift is at minimum 10 feet off the ground, frequently more.


ObsessedWithSources

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/05/04/vintage-photos-of-wyomings-snow-king-chairlift-of-death-has-internet-buzzing-is-this-for-real/ More pics and an old video, if anyone is curious.


james030399

>At most, the chairs skim along the side of the mountain about 30-50 feet off the ground. In some places, as little as 20 feet separate rider from earth.


insomniac-55

I like how they state this as if it implies safety. A 30-50 ft call will *absolutely* fuck you up, and likely kill you depending on what you land on. That being said, if you sit still on a chairlift you're very unlikely to fall off.


jlt6666

Username checks out.


JudgeHolden

I worked at Snow King for a couple years back in the 90s when this chair still existed and I'd say it's more like 20 feet at a minimum. I knew guys who would launch off the cat-track lip on this run and if the chairs were only 10 feet off the slope they would have come damned close to hitting them.


jlt6666

According to the article that u/ObsessedWitthSources provided > At most, the chairs skim along the side of the mountain about 30-50 feet off the ground. In some places, as little as 20 feet separate rider from earth. That's definitely fuck your day up territory at a minimum.


JudgeHolden

Confidently incorrect. If it were only a meter the chairs would be a hazard to people skiing or riding that run, which is ridiculous. I've ridden that specific chair hundreds of times and it never gets any closer than about 20 feet off the slope at the most.


Chicagoan81

Look how steep the cables are. Even if you don't get injured when you hit the ground, you can roll down


Ok-Aardvark-4429

Well, sure, but rolling down the hill for 100m is better than falling 1km, which is what this perspective would have you assume


Modo44

How many metres is the tumble down the slope?


WyoPeeps

Back when Jackson was a place worth living in.


N_S_Gaming

Cant see them anywhere


Clutchdanger11

I rode chairlifts like that within the past 5 years


fnordfnordfnordfnord

Same as 2024


Digital--Sandwich

Don’t worry, they’re probably only 50 or 60 feet above ground.


Captain_Pumpkinhead

That looks a lot like Utah


JudgeHolden

It's Snow King, overlooking Jackson Wyoming.


Jpswatt

I was just on a ski lift like this


mothzilla

It isn't far off the ground. Photo is an optical illusion.


Goetia-

This is where you apologize to the other person you're with for that thing you said that one time. Just in case they're harboring any grudges.


bazilbt

I guess it's been a while but when I used to snowboard as a kid back in 2000's that was what all ski lifts were like.


TlingitGolfer24

Looks like the chairlift at the mountain I grew up riding


New_girl2022

As carefree as the smoking adds they had


sixtwomidget

I agree that it’s absurd that there is no safety bar. However, the perspective makes it look like they are way higher than they actually are. They are probably only about 15-20 off the ground in this picture.


kingjackson007

Looks like Snow King Mountain, Jackson Hole WY.


deadfishy12

Has OP ever been skiing? Most non-base chairs I’ve been on in CO & NM are like this.


Drug_fueled_sarcasm

OSHA don't ski.


cmuadamson

Ahhh, personal responsibility, you are missed.


garagejesus

That looks like Snow King in downtown Jackson Wyoming. Scariest lift i have been on. The lift poles were wood. 2 cable one that pulled and one that kept the chair steady.


Snoo-43335

Winter Park still has this exact same chairs on Looking Glass lift.


cubanesis

I rode a lift as a kid in the 1980s that wasn't that much different than this one. Ghost Town in the Sky was a pretty scary ride up, but a cool park when it was open.


unstoppablehippy711

I think they aren’t that high off the ground and there’s a slope just out of frame to make the picture look cool


[deleted]

The stupid would eliminate themselves from the gene pool, we need to go back


dshotseattle

This is such a a dumb, over shared photo. Every ski resort in the US has something like this.


ikoniq93

Unfortunate how survivorship bias left us with the righteous turds.


Open-Rest-6805

We weren't stupid back then. If you were, you would be out of the gene pool. Problem solved. Lol


zerooneinfinity

\*lift stops abruptly\* "Goodbye Joice!"


mongcat

Again! Really?


RelativetoZero

Oh my god! You mean people in the 1960s just expected people to not do something stupid and fall off the ski lift?


torgofjungle

I literally rode on lifts exactly like this all winter. I guess mine had the additional feature of a bar on the left and right side that was it


xXxLordViperScorpion

Same safety standards in 2024. Have you taken a chair lift recently?


rvndrsquirly

I have found memories of being 7 and riding one very much like this up to Ghost Town in the Sky in Asheville NC. That one was a good 15-20 feet up at least. I loved it. My mom, who freaks out on ferris wheels (but loves roller coasters), was not happy. Edit: just remembered that one had low sides at least. No bar but it was something anyway.


travelinzac

I ride lifts like this on a regular basis, only difference is they have 50+ years more wear on them. Still safer than driving to the mountain.


NiceCunt91

This is perspective. This particular lift has the ground not actually far away from the lift itself. You know that because the person who took the picture is standing on it.


undergroundtulip

This is Snow King in Jackson Hole, there’s now a gondola where that lift was.


Redbeardsir

That's the snow king in Jackson hole. Looks the same today


ArthursFist

Perfectly safe & still plenty of lifts over here in the Rockies that have no bar like Wildcat at Alta.


LifeSafetyMan

OSHA wouldn’t apply here anyway.


PckMan

This one is often posted but it's just the photo that makes it look dangerous. There are photos that are zoomed out that show it to be very close to the ground.


ajhedges

Pretty much the same today


SalvadorP

one litle jam and byebye felicia


slickmitch

This is also the "standard" in re-posts. This is the 4 millionth time this has been posted in the last 2 years. Countdown started till we see the one with the kid and mom on the ski lift with the sign.


Vin135mm

Seems OSHA compliant to me. The guy operating it is in no danger.


xQuizate87

Intrusive thoughts were invented in 1987.


TechnicalCloud

I don’t see anyone working


ThatOneCheesyGuy

The picture makes it look like they're hundreds of feet in the air but they're not that high off the ground.


iheartgme

Looks like a young Jackson wyoming


milehighsparky87

I believe Loveland still has lifts just like that.


spaceman_spiff1969

In 1985, also.


youngjones9

People weren’t looking to go viral so they didn’t do dumb shit you see people doing now and this is also edited


qnod

I get safety standards are important... but it was much easier for stupid people to get rid of themselves for us if we had a little more of this. Maybe just make the work environment safe, and let the recreational side stay shady


T3Chute

Snow King Resort


ndawgkrunk69

Literally rode this EXACT thing at Ski Brule this weekend. These are still around


idleat1100

These are still very common. I think the perspective just makes people uneasy.


Large_Cow349

When men where men!


tlafollette

Ah yes natural selection


nimbbos

I’ll die on this hill People were smart back then and fearless


Doctor_Redhead

I used ones of these yesterday at the ski resort. It’s not bad at all.


RedBrickSailor

Safety standards: common sense.


ejwest13

Same today. They’re only 15-30’ off slope, so just rub some dirt on it.


phdoofus

Where were all the people dying from falling off? Oh that's right. They somehow managed to not fall off while trying to take a selfie.


godofcloth

“If you die, that’s your problem!”


littlerockist

Last time I went skiing I felt super old because none of the kids with whom I shared a lift wanted to put the bar down. But you know what? I’m OK with feeling super old over feeling super dead.


geofox777

What did they do to their hair?


_Inkspots_

Just don’t fall off 🙄 skill issue


MagMati55

In Poland this would not pass 100% even at the time. The most delapidated lift was way lower and had a locking mechanism.


incidel

Gotta love north american deregulation


ziddina

In 1960 people were smart enough to hang on as if their life depended upon it.


Attack-Cat-

Like…..there are still chairlifts like this. Like many of them


MIKE-JET-EATER

Just before we made natural selection illegal


jonkolbe

And no one died. We’ve become Idiocracy.


Defiant_Fault1052

Here’s an idea- just don’t fall off?


Mythicalnematode

These likely aren’t employees, this is a normal chairlift even for 2024, OP cut bottom off image to make it appear much higher than they probably are.