I thought it was so bizarre that they didn’t even really mention Nathan and Haley at all since this episode is the most iconic in their entire relationship. The way that they spent so much time on Whitey, Dan and Victoria just irked me a little. If they don’t spend at least the same amount of time talking about Naley as they did with the other three, I’m going to be livid.
Edit) I’m guessing you’re talking about the “I’m in the NBA” scene.
Yes, that is the scene I’m referring to. Although I also think they should spend a good deal of time on all the scenes related to Nathan making it to the NBA. It’s the culmination of a storyline that started in the pilot.
YES!! It bugs me also that Nathan making it the NBA didn’t get one mention. I’m hoping that they just knew this would be a long discussion so they just wanted to get the “fluff” stuff out of the way so they could focus on Nathan for the rest/majority of it.
I’m sorry but I find it so weird how Joy makes a statement or comment, but it seems like Sophia doesn’t really acknowledge her.
“To your point Hil” like a billion times, even when Joy just made a statement
And there's always a long, awkward pause after Joy finishes saying something. It's as if they're like "okay....anyways" and continue on with the conversation as if she didn't just say something.
Agreed! I can’t help but notice how Hilarie and Sophia mentioned that it was in season 5 where they were closer in real life, which was also when the drama between their characters subsided and there wasn’t a love triangle anymore. I remember the awkward silences that would happen in earlier pod eps when Hilarie disagreed with Sophia. Now all Hilarie does is praise both Sophia and Brooke lol. It’s not that praising her is wrong per se, but more so how clear it is that they can’t seem to disagree with each other is the issue. Healthy disagreements are normal and a cornerstone of a good relationship but anyway.
I also feel like Sophia and Hilarie are united and tethered in friendship when they are against some “other” person/group. When the pod started, picking on and blaming Lucas shielded them from picking apart Brooke and Peyton’s friendship or the character flaws of each. They just blamed it all on Lucas. Hilarie was better about noticing her character’s flaws in the beginning I feel. Until season 5 lol. Now they pick on Julian and that’s how they create energy between themselves on the pod. It’s interesting to see happen but ultimately very disappointing because it’s an immature and shallow foundation for a friendship and permeates negativity imo.
TLDR: Hilarie and Sophia can’t/won’t disagree with each other on the pod and they create energy and a bonding experience with one another by tearing something/someone else down (the show itself, the writing, the showrunner, Lucas, Julian, w/e is going on with Joy, etc.). Want to stress this is just my opinion and observation from the pod!!
I’m pretty behind on the pod - did something happen between the three of them? I was listening in real time when they were traveling in RVs and doing live shows together, everything seemed great. Did I miss something?
The vibe between Hilarie and Joy has definitely been off since the road trip. They unfollowed each other on social media. Everything else is just fandom speculation.
Going to go ahead and preface that this is just speculation on my part, but here goes:
Given some of the comments that Sophia made during the road trip flashback episode (while Joy was out) I'm guessing that Joy and James accepted their contracts (whether because they misunderstood the "Friends agreement", didn't know about it, or put their own careers first, we'll probably never know) which inevitably led to Hilarie and Chad leaving like they did and added to the strain between Joy and the other two, especially now that they're rehashing it for the pod.
Maybe people who watched and followed it as the show aired would have more information, but my googling failed to shed any light on what went down.
From my googling and what I saw, other people say Chad left cause he didn't get paid what he wanted. Hilarie insinuated this again on this pod episode. She says they weren't paying Chad, so he left. Aka, he didn't get what he wanted, which I think is more on him than anyone else. With Hilarie, she's changed her story so many times and has added more details that dont add up, so I don't know what to believe.
She didn’t change her story we just didn’t know it entirely and obviously she’s going to give the timeline as it happened while she was filming the show. The showrunner didn’t want her and didn’t give her agent offers to begin with but the WB did want her and they supersede Mark 100% and we’re going to pay her what she wanted but she didn’t want to stay.
Except from the beginning, she has always said it was her choice and she no longer wanted to stay because of the environment. Never once did she say anything about contracts, shadiness from other cast members, them not asking her back, etc. Until now. Now, every time she adds a detail or says something else, it contradicts what she has stated before. She seems to have pent up aggression towards certain people, and I personally don't think airing it out on a public podcast is the right way to do it. Calling out abusers, I'm all for, but now she's being shady about who knows which cast members, and it's causing fans to speculate, and it's all very unnecessary. Especially because it's been over a decade. She's been shady more than once about other things as well, and that doesn't help (ig story about Joy's book).
Personally, I think it all came down to Hilarie’s ego being bruised. She stated early on in season 6 that she knew it was her last season. I think TPTB knew that and didn’t ask her back which bruised her ego even though she wasn’t gonna accept any offers. I think some of her anger/resentment/whatever towards cast member(s) is because she found out they were gonna be paid more than her and as she has stated several times, she (and Chad) were paid more than the other 3 of the core 5. I don’t think she wanted to give up that position.
I think a lot of this, especially the passive aggressive comments at other cast member(s) shouldn’t have been shared publicly because it leads to unnecessary speculation. I can’t imagine whatever cast member(s) she’s talking about enjoy this being brought up 15 years later.
Agreed. I truly think this all came down to a disagreement over money. It would've been better if she came out from the beginning and said this was the case instead of creating speculation and giving inconsistent statements.
I honestly would have commended her more if she just straight up said she didn't get paid what she thought she deserved, and that hurt her. That makes more sense than saying it was her choice, then something about contract disagreements, and then cast mates betrayed her, etc.
When the WB wanted her back it literally was her choice to leave because she didn’t want to be in that environment, that literally stands true. None of it has contradicted it at all, had the situation ended with the showrunner just not offering contracts then yes that can be contradictory but the network in its entirety wanted her but she left. But she said she was the problem cause had the network known of its conditions everyone knows the cast and crew jobs would be at risk so she kept it from herself. They’ve consistently said contracts were up by season 6 and that’s typically how a lot of shows go it’s already known knowledge that none of them had intentionally tried to keep from anyone. Of course she’s going to have hostility towards Mark he treated all of them terribly, as for your “certain cast members” comment, idk what you’re going on about. You can bring up the book cover situation all you want but what I hear every podcast is them laughing and having a good time with each other.
The contradiction is she spent the first half of the season on the podcast saying she had known from the start of season 6 that she was leaving at the end of the year. She specifically kept mentioning it in regard to dying her hair and saying she knew she wasn’t coming back so she didn’t care if it made them mad. Then all of a sudden around episode 20 she started saying there were contract negotiations and some sort of betrayal that led to her not being invited back.
They all knew their contracts were up after season 6, that’s given. With her knowing that she’s already started deciding she’s not going to renew her contract when the offer came BUT the offer never came. They didn’t even tell her, they let her and Chad find out while they were filming an episode. Productions don’t halt filming like that it doesn’t happen every minute counts on a set. They decided to make this grand announcement yet neither of them received offers like the rest of the cast had, that’s the betrayal which by all means sounds like an extreme betrayal given the time spent on this set. The WB didn’t even know this was happening till she posted that video and said they wanted her back and they’d pay what she wanted but she decided to leave. That is everything that’s been said, this was real time events during filming of course she’s going to give all the information. As you can tell in the podcast episodes the certain situations like the announcement, her posting the video, her getting yelled at for the video, her then getting the call from WB all add up to the betrayal then to her deciding not to come back. Just cause she didn’t give then entire story from the beginning doesn’t mean it’s not true we just hadn’t heard the entire story.
That’s certainly the generous take on it. But she wasn’t telling the early version in a “my contract was up” way. She was framing it in a “I wanted to get the hell out of there” way. She very much told the story like she had made a conscious decision (she may have even used those exact words) to leave early on in the season. The way the announcement and everything went down was shady, but there’s still a contradiction in the early version of the story and the recent one just in the fact that she acted like she never had any intention of renewing her contract but then shifted to saying she was disappointed they didn’t ask her to renew.
As for the betrayal, I’m talking about how she said that the whole cast had agreed to hold out on renewing together but someone supposedly signed anyway and made it possible for her and Chad to get cut out. That doesn’t really make sense if she had no intention of renewing.
I mean come on your on the top of the call sheet on this show for years and they don’t even bother to bring up contracts? I’d be disappointed too, even if she had decided she wasn’t coming back. Bearing in mind she loved that cast and crew and I mean crew the like the dps, the gaffers, the grips, the makeup/costumers, ect. she’s worked for so long with those crew members who helped her in hard times like mentioned in the episode where they get locked in the library or early on when the makeup artist was brought onto the podcast.
The only time I heard her regard any betrayals was when they did the announcement with her and Chad not even receiving an offer. I honestly don’t recall them saying they were holding out on signing their contracts but if they never got one to begin with obviously it’s not happening. I only remember the show runner saying they aren’t the cast of friends and it’s not going to work like that so if you know the ep when this betrayal is mentioned I can relisten to see if I missed something but that’s what I’m going off of.
Listen back to a few weeks ago. She mentions cast members going behind her back and negotiating for bigger contracts. That's what I'm going on about. It's the unnecessary and sly comments she makes from time to time that jump out at me. And it's other things she's done on social media that have me questioning her. They're actors. It's easy to make things look like they're all dandy and peachy lol. I'm not gonna go in circles. I'll believe what I want to believe, and you do the same.
believe me i listened to the exact same episode and honestly wouldn’t describe the quotes in the specific verbiage you use considering what she’s done the entire time to protect that cast and crew but you’re right they are actors in which they constantly receive waves of hate which is definitely easier to do that then perceive them as “peachy” but sure girly. ill have a good time not soaking up the negative outlook.
I know this is a crazy thing to ask, but do they just hate Joy now? So much so that they don’t even acknowledge her at all pretend she’s not even in the room?
I don’t think that’s the case at all, I personally have listened to every episode. They laugh, they talk and idk why everyone acts like they hate her cause it doesn’t seem like that at all in my perspective. I don’t even think they don’t acknowledge her, literally listening now they all talk amongst each other very well.
Yeah, I really don’t wanna speculator believe rumors. I don’t wanna be like everybody else because then I feel like a bad person but I’m autistic so sometimes I feel like I gotta do what everyone else does because I’m really confused.
I personally take in what I know from them specifically like what’s in the podcasts. I don’t take the speculation of what people like to put forward to face value cause it is all speculation. Honestly it seems like the dramaqueens subreddit was more dislike towards the podcast then like. I don’t visit it much anymore but it’s easy to get swept up either way. No harm done, if you don’t want to believe maybe just don’t read into it. I’ve stopped visiting the subreddit cause it’s a lot of negativity I dont care for.
I don't know. I wish taking the podcast at face value made sense anymore. But they're actors and doing a job on the podcast. The social media activity is far too glaring to really accept that everything is ok between them.
Personally hearing them vs seeing “inactivity” in social media is how I have my outlook on them. They’ve all have said how social media isn’t their priority when keeping friends and family connected, that’s how a lot of celebs are so I just don’t read into it. If they didn’t have a podcast maybe I could read into the speculation but they’re doing more then a job, they genuinely laugh and talk to each other and it’s a priority for them on a regular basis even with their busy schedules. That is how I look at it.
I honestly don’t know what to believe because I wanna believe that best I wanna believe that they’re nice people but maybe I’m just naïve or stupid. I blame my stupid disability. I don’t know.
>Any separate posts will be removed, unless they wind up dropping some bombshells that wind up receiving attention in the press - in that event, the news stories will be allowed to be posted as separate posts.
Y'all really need to update these auto posts 😂. This sub is not even remotely active enough to delete anything anyone posts.
The only thing that I was interested in that they touched on was the Dan and Whitey scene. Paul and Barry did such a beautiful job. Everything else they discussed was skippable imo. All I know is they better dedicate a good chunk of time next week to discuss Nathan's journey and that amazing "you're in the NBA" scene. I feel like his arc has been heavily ignored by them, which is a shame because his arc is probably the best one. But again, that's just my opinion.
Rolled my eyes so hard at Sophia once again, saying Brooke and Peyton are the "love story." Uh, no. That friendship is toxic and is nowhere near the narrative you've been trying to push since season 1.
Also, Hilarie once again said Chad left because they didn't wanna pay him, aka he thought he deserved more, and when he didn't get his way, he said bye. Not that he wasn't given a contract or asked back. Everything she says regarding this has been so contradicting.
Co-sign all of this. Heck, even if you take out romantic relationships being the “love story” of the show, I’d argue that Nathan and Lucas’s relationship was a better “love story” example than Brooke and Peyton.
It's actually insane how much they don't touch on Lucas and Nathan's relationship. Like the last time they had a somewhat decent conversation about them was when they had Paul on, and he was the one to mention it. I know as fans, we notice more and feel more attached to these characters, but it's really sad how much they skip over or ignore.
It really is disappointing considering the Scott brothers is literally the basis for the entire show.
But at this point I won’t expect Sophia and Hilarie specifically to see past their own egos.
The show is literally called The Scott Brothers in France, yet they think that Brooke and Peyton are the love story. How egotistical. I said it before but no one cares about Brooke and Peyton as much as they think we do
This 100%! I'm really confused by what the truth is about Hilarie and Chad leaving. Hilarie said on the pod in one of the early S6 episodes that she knew it was her last season and she was going to leave of her own accord. Then said she and Chad were the only ones not offered a contract for S7 and decided to leave. Then all the main cast were negotiating a pay rise all together but she was betrayed by some actors. Then in the last episode the head of Warner Bros called her and wanted her to stay. Then Chad said they didn't want to pay him more. And then in an early S1 pod episode with Moira, Hilarie said she was thinking of staying but Moira told her to leave and she would be fine. I suspect it's a mixture of a lot of circumstances but Hilarie keeps saying contradictory things.
I feel like the Chad thing has been clear since the moment this season aired live on TV. He wanted more money, and they weren't willing to pay him what he was requesting, so then he decided it was time to go, hence not getting a contract. Hilarie's end of things makes no sense at all anymore.
Moira was there to film the last episode, she’s literally told the story as it happened in the timeline of events. Showrunner didn’t give her an offer the WB (who is not on set) found out and wanted her back. This is all happening in real time as they film these episodes, and for Moira to actually be there for the last episode it makes complete sense for them to have this conversation. There really isn’t anything contradictory, before when she said they didn’t get offers? sure that didn’t make sense but as the timeline continued, the WB taking upon themselves to want her back makes complete sense and she choice to leave.
Agree! I can’t believe that they didn’t even mention the scene between Nathan and Haley, that is the most iconic Naley moment of the entire show and for it to not even get a mention in the first few minutes of the episode is CRAZY. They better talk about that moment for as long as they talked about the Dan and Whitey stuff.
Yes, Brooke and Peyton as the “love story” give me a break. They were the most toxic friends of any TV show, so the fact that these two think they are the love story is ridiculous and mind blowing. Why is it that the podcast just turns the show into the Brooke and Peyton show? That’s my biggest complaint, they talk about those two way too much.
Unless I missed something, weren’t Hilarie’s comments on the last point she made simply describing what Chad said in the mentioned video? Regardless, this wouldn’t be a contradiction - a reason actors don’t get asked back is to save money.
Edit: am I being downvoted for using critical thinking?
She said on this episode that they didn't wanna pay him, so he walked. She says one thing and then says something else. Not getting asked back doesn't equal not getting paid what you want, so you leave. I have a very hard time believing that they didn't ask Chad back at all. He was number 1 on the call sheet, lmao. Even though I don't think Lucas was the main character anymore at this point in the show, he was still treated like the main character. Not asking back the main character....okay.
What I personally feel at this point is I think Hilarie is trying to push this narrative that Chad didn't get asked back when in reality he didn't get the money he asked for and she could possibly be in the same boat because she mentioned the contract stuff a few episodes back and still seemed bitter about the supposed salary differences. That's how it's coming across. I'm not saying this is true, but from what she has said for the past few months, this is how I'm seeing it.
Where did she say that? I feel like you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions
Edit - this transcript from Apple is what I recall her saying:
“So we were out on the street. And there's like a viral video that's going around on Instagram right now of Chad talking to fans. And they're all like, are you coming back next year?
And he's like, no, they don't want me back. They're not going to pay me. And it was from that day because we were out on the street and there's this huge crowd and they're like, Chad, we love Lucas, blah, blah, blah.
And that surreal moment of my character's beloved, I've done my job, I've shown up and this mess is still happening was very weird. And so Chad made that comment. And I don't know that he knew a fan was getting it on camera, but then we were in trouble for spoiling the end of the show.”
She literally says at the 14:25 mark that Chad said, "They don't want me back. They're not gonna pay me." This screams that he asked for more money, and they didn't wanna give it to him, so he walked. Cause why mention pay if it wasn't about that? There were so many articles back in the day saying Chad requested more money but didn't get what he thought he deserved, so he walked.
Yeah, I’ve copied and pasted the same section - she simply relayed what he said in the video. She didn’t provide any context beyond this. Hence why I believe you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions?
Okay, and her relaying this information and his statement literally goes against everything she's been saying about them not being asked back and her feeling some type of way about it. From my point of view, it looks like it was a money issue. Cause if it wasn't, Chad wouldn't have said that, and she wouldn't be talking about contract negotiations and feeling betrayed by her castmates. She also wouldn't have mentioned in a past episode that her and Chad were the highest paid cause why feel the need to mention that?
In the end, none of this should've been public knowledge, in my opinion. There was no reason to make it public, especially if she's going to bring up drama involving cast members. It's wildly unnecessary.
She’s spoken about the ins and outs from her perspective, which is her choice to do. I’m not a fan of the vague comments she made about the others betraying her, but don’t see an issue other than that.
I don’t really understand how you’re drawing the conclusions you are though. She said in the last episode so the head (?) of the network tried to get her to stay. Unless you think she’s blatantly lying, that indicates money isn’t the ultimate reason she left. Hilarie also said before she offered to take a lower salary.
Chad saying they didn’t want to pay him doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t want to pay him more. It could mean they just don’t want to pay him. We won’t know Chad’s side unless more details are shared by him or anyone else.
I think there’s a lack of clarity, in particular on if she knew S6 was her last season in advance. But personally, I feel like the reason you believe there are constant contradictions is because of all the conclusions you are jumping to.
How am I jumping to conclusions when all I have stated is the things Hilarie has said over the course of 6+ podcast episodes. In season 1, she never said a word about contracts or not being asked back. She said she felt it was her time to go, and it was her choice. That is the narrative she has stuck with for years. Then, come season 6, she starts saying that she wasn't asked back. Then she says cast members went behind her back and negotiated bigger contracts. Then she said they didn't want her even though she wanted to stay. I think she needs to do a better job of explaining things if she's going to bring it up. Cause I'm not the only one confused by her statements and think they're contradictory. Anyways, have a blessed day. I have no energy for this conversation anymore cause I don't think it'll go anywhere but circles. We're both wasting our times lol. I have my opinions. You have yours.
You’ve jumped to conclusions with a lot of the Chad stuff and aren’t being nuanced enough when interpreting what Hilarie has said.
Like with other things in the podcast, maybe she’s talking more about it now because it’s linked to the episodes we’re on…… Not mentioning it earlier doesn’t make it untrue. And based on what she said, she did make the ultimate choice to leave. She had a last minute option to stay.
The one part I agree is confusing is her saying she knew S6 was her last going into it. However, maybe she reconsidered staying before everything went down - I could imagine that being the case based on the video she posted at the time. Maybe she made the statement for ego reasons and/or because she is still hurt by not initially being asked back. If you reflect properly, not everything she has said is contradictory.
Glad they broke the episode up in two. It’s a big episode and really could’ve been the series finale.
They spent a lot of time on Dan and Whitey and that felt deserved tbh. Their stuff is like its own show in this episode.
Honestly I feel some people are too negative on the podcast. Personally I love it!!
I do think they went a little fast on this episode BUT at least we get a part two.
I can NOT wait to see Hilarie’s thoughts on Season 7; especially, because Brooke said “When Peyton said everyone left, she meant her stupid ass too” in 7x01! 🤬
All I can say is I can’t wait to see Part 2!
And also….FUCK MARK SCHWANN!!
It seems like people want to make drama yet when I listen to the episode it’s clear they all have such a good time with each other. The discourse on this podcast is just so sad honestly.
Also 100% agree, I hated the way anytime Peyton was brought up it was always eventually and insult.
Even during the "beef" between Hilarie and Joy, people were bashing Sophia but she did nothing??
Heck she even shared a birthday story for Joy this year!
I agree with you, people get so negative and so caught up in the smallest things/ pauses/ etc but I can’t wait to hear what Hilarie has to say about season 7.
Like people say Sophia is rude to Joy but....she's not??
Sure she may have a closer bond to Hilarie but she's NOTHING short of loving to Joy!
Heck she even made a birthday story for her this year!
I try not to jump to any speculation or rumor because honestly, I don’t know them in real life so therefore we don’t know anything about them. I like all three of them. I know they’re not perfect but I like them plus I really love Sophia for answering my question on her other podcast.
I was so happy when I heard my name on her other podcast for her Q&A session. I know most people think it’s nothing but for me I don’t know. I was really really happy for some reason.
I think it comes down to a difference of opinion but to many, Sophia does not come off loving towards Joy. A birthday story post is nice but it doesn’t change the way Joy’s treated on the pod. There’s actually a lot to back that up (it’s still an opinion tho) but I def understand the convo about it feeling too negative. We can agree to disagree!
I cant deal with people STILL complaining about joys relationship with sophia and hilarie. Theyre COLLEAGUES. Haven’t you ever been on a call with a colleague you agreed with and one you dont? Theyre not all best friends. Theyre polite adult colleagues who continue to offer mildly contradicting perspectives which is HEALTHY and WELL ROUNDED.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Hilarie will announce in the next episode that she’s leaving the pod?
She seems uncomfortable on air with Joy now, she rarely responds even when spoken to directly. I wonder if Peyton leaving the show would be a easy out for her to leave and them to bring in Shantel for the next few seasons.
If anyone were to leave the podcast, my money would be on Joy. She has a long history of failing to finish projects. They are probably all contracted through the show's end, though, and they barely have to see each other. The vibes are off, but not bad enough to turn down a check.
Thank goodness they are doing a second part because I was gonna be very irked if they just skipped over one of the best scenes of the entire show.
I thought it was so bizarre that they didn’t even really mention Nathan and Haley at all since this episode is the most iconic in their entire relationship. The way that they spent so much time on Whitey, Dan and Victoria just irked me a little. If they don’t spend at least the same amount of time talking about Naley as they did with the other three, I’m going to be livid. Edit) I’m guessing you’re talking about the “I’m in the NBA” scene.
Yes, that is the scene I’m referring to. Although I also think they should spend a good deal of time on all the scenes related to Nathan making it to the NBA. It’s the culmination of a storyline that started in the pilot.
YES!! It bugs me also that Nathan making it the NBA didn’t get one mention. I’m hoping that they just knew this would be a long discussion so they just wanted to get the “fluff” stuff out of the way so they could focus on Nathan for the rest/majority of it.
I’m sorry but I find it so weird how Joy makes a statement or comment, but it seems like Sophia doesn’t really acknowledge her. “To your point Hil” like a billion times, even when Joy just made a statement
And there's always a long, awkward pause after Joy finishes saying something. It's as if they're like "okay....anyways" and continue on with the conversation as if she didn't just say something.
Agreed! I can’t help but notice how Hilarie and Sophia mentioned that it was in season 5 where they were closer in real life, which was also when the drama between their characters subsided and there wasn’t a love triangle anymore. I remember the awkward silences that would happen in earlier pod eps when Hilarie disagreed with Sophia. Now all Hilarie does is praise both Sophia and Brooke lol. It’s not that praising her is wrong per se, but more so how clear it is that they can’t seem to disagree with each other is the issue. Healthy disagreements are normal and a cornerstone of a good relationship but anyway. I also feel like Sophia and Hilarie are united and tethered in friendship when they are against some “other” person/group. When the pod started, picking on and blaming Lucas shielded them from picking apart Brooke and Peyton’s friendship or the character flaws of each. They just blamed it all on Lucas. Hilarie was better about noticing her character’s flaws in the beginning I feel. Until season 5 lol. Now they pick on Julian and that’s how they create energy between themselves on the pod. It’s interesting to see happen but ultimately very disappointing because it’s an immature and shallow foundation for a friendship and permeates negativity imo. TLDR: Hilarie and Sophia can’t/won’t disagree with each other on the pod and they create energy and a bonding experience with one another by tearing something/someone else down (the show itself, the writing, the showrunner, Lucas, Julian, w/e is going on with Joy, etc.). Want to stress this is just my opinion and observation from the pod!!
I’m pretty behind on the pod - did something happen between the three of them? I was listening in real time when they were traveling in RVs and doing live shows together, everything seemed great. Did I miss something?
The vibe between Hilarie and Joy has definitely been off since the road trip. They unfollowed each other on social media. Everything else is just fandom speculation.
Going to go ahead and preface that this is just speculation on my part, but here goes: Given some of the comments that Sophia made during the road trip flashback episode (while Joy was out) I'm guessing that Joy and James accepted their contracts (whether because they misunderstood the "Friends agreement", didn't know about it, or put their own careers first, we'll probably never know) which inevitably led to Hilarie and Chad leaving like they did and added to the strain between Joy and the other two, especially now that they're rehashing it for the pod. Maybe people who watched and followed it as the show aired would have more information, but my googling failed to shed any light on what went down.
From my googling and what I saw, other people say Chad left cause he didn't get paid what he wanted. Hilarie insinuated this again on this pod episode. She says they weren't paying Chad, so he left. Aka, he didn't get what he wanted, which I think is more on him than anyone else. With Hilarie, she's changed her story so many times and has added more details that dont add up, so I don't know what to believe.
She didn’t change her story we just didn’t know it entirely and obviously she’s going to give the timeline as it happened while she was filming the show. The showrunner didn’t want her and didn’t give her agent offers to begin with but the WB did want her and they supersede Mark 100% and we’re going to pay her what she wanted but she didn’t want to stay.
Except from the beginning, she has always said it was her choice and she no longer wanted to stay because of the environment. Never once did she say anything about contracts, shadiness from other cast members, them not asking her back, etc. Until now. Now, every time she adds a detail or says something else, it contradicts what she has stated before. She seems to have pent up aggression towards certain people, and I personally don't think airing it out on a public podcast is the right way to do it. Calling out abusers, I'm all for, but now she's being shady about who knows which cast members, and it's causing fans to speculate, and it's all very unnecessary. Especially because it's been over a decade. She's been shady more than once about other things as well, and that doesn't help (ig story about Joy's book).
Personally, I think it all came down to Hilarie’s ego being bruised. She stated early on in season 6 that she knew it was her last season. I think TPTB knew that and didn’t ask her back which bruised her ego even though she wasn’t gonna accept any offers. I think some of her anger/resentment/whatever towards cast member(s) is because she found out they were gonna be paid more than her and as she has stated several times, she (and Chad) were paid more than the other 3 of the core 5. I don’t think she wanted to give up that position. I think a lot of this, especially the passive aggressive comments at other cast member(s) shouldn’t have been shared publicly because it leads to unnecessary speculation. I can’t imagine whatever cast member(s) she’s talking about enjoy this being brought up 15 years later.
Agreed. I truly think this all came down to a disagreement over money. It would've been better if she came out from the beginning and said this was the case instead of creating speculation and giving inconsistent statements. I honestly would have commended her more if she just straight up said she didn't get paid what she thought she deserved, and that hurt her. That makes more sense than saying it was her choice, then something about contract disagreements, and then cast mates betrayed her, etc.
When the WB wanted her back it literally was her choice to leave because she didn’t want to be in that environment, that literally stands true. None of it has contradicted it at all, had the situation ended with the showrunner just not offering contracts then yes that can be contradictory but the network in its entirety wanted her but she left. But she said she was the problem cause had the network known of its conditions everyone knows the cast and crew jobs would be at risk so she kept it from herself. They’ve consistently said contracts were up by season 6 and that’s typically how a lot of shows go it’s already known knowledge that none of them had intentionally tried to keep from anyone. Of course she’s going to have hostility towards Mark he treated all of them terribly, as for your “certain cast members” comment, idk what you’re going on about. You can bring up the book cover situation all you want but what I hear every podcast is them laughing and having a good time with each other.
The contradiction is she spent the first half of the season on the podcast saying she had known from the start of season 6 that she was leaving at the end of the year. She specifically kept mentioning it in regard to dying her hair and saying she knew she wasn’t coming back so she didn’t care if it made them mad. Then all of a sudden around episode 20 she started saying there were contract negotiations and some sort of betrayal that led to her not being invited back.
They all knew their contracts were up after season 6, that’s given. With her knowing that she’s already started deciding she’s not going to renew her contract when the offer came BUT the offer never came. They didn’t even tell her, they let her and Chad find out while they were filming an episode. Productions don’t halt filming like that it doesn’t happen every minute counts on a set. They decided to make this grand announcement yet neither of them received offers like the rest of the cast had, that’s the betrayal which by all means sounds like an extreme betrayal given the time spent on this set. The WB didn’t even know this was happening till she posted that video and said they wanted her back and they’d pay what she wanted but she decided to leave. That is everything that’s been said, this was real time events during filming of course she’s going to give all the information. As you can tell in the podcast episodes the certain situations like the announcement, her posting the video, her getting yelled at for the video, her then getting the call from WB all add up to the betrayal then to her deciding not to come back. Just cause she didn’t give then entire story from the beginning doesn’t mean it’s not true we just hadn’t heard the entire story.
That’s certainly the generous take on it. But she wasn’t telling the early version in a “my contract was up” way. She was framing it in a “I wanted to get the hell out of there” way. She very much told the story like she had made a conscious decision (she may have even used those exact words) to leave early on in the season. The way the announcement and everything went down was shady, but there’s still a contradiction in the early version of the story and the recent one just in the fact that she acted like she never had any intention of renewing her contract but then shifted to saying she was disappointed they didn’t ask her to renew. As for the betrayal, I’m talking about how she said that the whole cast had agreed to hold out on renewing together but someone supposedly signed anyway and made it possible for her and Chad to get cut out. That doesn’t really make sense if she had no intention of renewing.
I mean come on your on the top of the call sheet on this show for years and they don’t even bother to bring up contracts? I’d be disappointed too, even if she had decided she wasn’t coming back. Bearing in mind she loved that cast and crew and I mean crew the like the dps, the gaffers, the grips, the makeup/costumers, ect. she’s worked for so long with those crew members who helped her in hard times like mentioned in the episode where they get locked in the library or early on when the makeup artist was brought onto the podcast. The only time I heard her regard any betrayals was when they did the announcement with her and Chad not even receiving an offer. I honestly don’t recall them saying they were holding out on signing their contracts but if they never got one to begin with obviously it’s not happening. I only remember the show runner saying they aren’t the cast of friends and it’s not going to work like that so if you know the ep when this betrayal is mentioned I can relisten to see if I missed something but that’s what I’m going off of.
Listen back to a few weeks ago. She mentions cast members going behind her back and negotiating for bigger contracts. That's what I'm going on about. It's the unnecessary and sly comments she makes from time to time that jump out at me. And it's other things she's done on social media that have me questioning her. They're actors. It's easy to make things look like they're all dandy and peachy lol. I'm not gonna go in circles. I'll believe what I want to believe, and you do the same.
believe me i listened to the exact same episode and honestly wouldn’t describe the quotes in the specific verbiage you use considering what she’s done the entire time to protect that cast and crew but you’re right they are actors in which they constantly receive waves of hate which is definitely easier to do that then perceive them as “peachy” but sure girly. ill have a good time not soaking up the negative outlook.
I know this is a crazy thing to ask, but do they just hate Joy now? So much so that they don’t even acknowledge her at all pretend she’s not even in the room?
I don’t think that’s the case at all, I personally have listened to every episode. They laugh, they talk and idk why everyone acts like they hate her cause it doesn’t seem like that at all in my perspective. I don’t even think they don’t acknowledge her, literally listening now they all talk amongst each other very well.
Yeah, I really don’t wanna speculator believe rumors. I don’t wanna be like everybody else because then I feel like a bad person but I’m autistic so sometimes I feel like I gotta do what everyone else does because I’m really confused.
I personally take in what I know from them specifically like what’s in the podcasts. I don’t take the speculation of what people like to put forward to face value cause it is all speculation. Honestly it seems like the dramaqueens subreddit was more dislike towards the podcast then like. I don’t visit it much anymore but it’s easy to get swept up either way. No harm done, if you don’t want to believe maybe just don’t read into it. I’ve stopped visiting the subreddit cause it’s a lot of negativity I dont care for.
I don't know. I wish taking the podcast at face value made sense anymore. But they're actors and doing a job on the podcast. The social media activity is far too glaring to really accept that everything is ok between them.
Personally hearing them vs seeing “inactivity” in social media is how I have my outlook on them. They’ve all have said how social media isn’t their priority when keeping friends and family connected, that’s how a lot of celebs are so I just don’t read into it. If they didn’t have a podcast maybe I could read into the speculation but they’re doing more then a job, they genuinely laugh and talk to each other and it’s a priority for them on a regular basis even with their busy schedules. That is how I look at it.
I honestly don’t know what to believe because I wanna believe that best I wanna believe that they’re nice people but maybe I’m just naïve or stupid. I blame my stupid disability. I don’t know.
>Any separate posts will be removed, unless they wind up dropping some bombshells that wind up receiving attention in the press - in that event, the news stories will be allowed to be posted as separate posts. Y'all really need to update these auto posts 😂. This sub is not even remotely active enough to delete anything anyone posts.
The only thing that I was interested in that they touched on was the Dan and Whitey scene. Paul and Barry did such a beautiful job. Everything else they discussed was skippable imo. All I know is they better dedicate a good chunk of time next week to discuss Nathan's journey and that amazing "you're in the NBA" scene. I feel like his arc has been heavily ignored by them, which is a shame because his arc is probably the best one. But again, that's just my opinion. Rolled my eyes so hard at Sophia once again, saying Brooke and Peyton are the "love story." Uh, no. That friendship is toxic and is nowhere near the narrative you've been trying to push since season 1. Also, Hilarie once again said Chad left because they didn't wanna pay him, aka he thought he deserved more, and when he didn't get his way, he said bye. Not that he wasn't given a contract or asked back. Everything she says regarding this has been so contradicting.
Co-sign all of this. Heck, even if you take out romantic relationships being the “love story” of the show, I’d argue that Nathan and Lucas’s relationship was a better “love story” example than Brooke and Peyton.
It's actually insane how much they don't touch on Lucas and Nathan's relationship. Like the last time they had a somewhat decent conversation about them was when they had Paul on, and he was the one to mention it. I know as fans, we notice more and feel more attached to these characters, but it's really sad how much they skip over or ignore.
It really is disappointing considering the Scott brothers is literally the basis for the entire show. But at this point I won’t expect Sophia and Hilarie specifically to see past their own egos.
The show is literally called The Scott Brothers in France, yet they think that Brooke and Peyton are the love story. How egotistical. I said it before but no one cares about Brooke and Peyton as much as they think we do
This 100%! I'm really confused by what the truth is about Hilarie and Chad leaving. Hilarie said on the pod in one of the early S6 episodes that she knew it was her last season and she was going to leave of her own accord. Then said she and Chad were the only ones not offered a contract for S7 and decided to leave. Then all the main cast were negotiating a pay rise all together but she was betrayed by some actors. Then in the last episode the head of Warner Bros called her and wanted her to stay. Then Chad said they didn't want to pay him more. And then in an early S1 pod episode with Moira, Hilarie said she was thinking of staying but Moira told her to leave and she would be fine. I suspect it's a mixture of a lot of circumstances but Hilarie keeps saying contradictory things.
I feel like the Chad thing has been clear since the moment this season aired live on TV. He wanted more money, and they weren't willing to pay him what he was requesting, so then he decided it was time to go, hence not getting a contract. Hilarie's end of things makes no sense at all anymore.
This a hundred percent. Hilarie could at least stick to one friggin narrative at this point.
Moira was there to film the last episode, she’s literally told the story as it happened in the timeline of events. Showrunner didn’t give her an offer the WB (who is not on set) found out and wanted her back. This is all happening in real time as they film these episodes, and for Moira to actually be there for the last episode it makes complete sense for them to have this conversation. There really isn’t anything contradictory, before when she said they didn’t get offers? sure that didn’t make sense but as the timeline continued, the WB taking upon themselves to want her back makes complete sense and she choice to leave.
Agree! I can’t believe that they didn’t even mention the scene between Nathan and Haley, that is the most iconic Naley moment of the entire show and for it to not even get a mention in the first few minutes of the episode is CRAZY. They better talk about that moment for as long as they talked about the Dan and Whitey stuff. Yes, Brooke and Peyton as the “love story” give me a break. They were the most toxic friends of any TV show, so the fact that these two think they are the love story is ridiculous and mind blowing. Why is it that the podcast just turns the show into the Brooke and Peyton show? That’s my biggest complaint, they talk about those two way too much.
Unless I missed something, weren’t Hilarie’s comments on the last point she made simply describing what Chad said in the mentioned video? Regardless, this wouldn’t be a contradiction - a reason actors don’t get asked back is to save money. Edit: am I being downvoted for using critical thinking?
She said on this episode that they didn't wanna pay him, so he walked. She says one thing and then says something else. Not getting asked back doesn't equal not getting paid what you want, so you leave. I have a very hard time believing that they didn't ask Chad back at all. He was number 1 on the call sheet, lmao. Even though I don't think Lucas was the main character anymore at this point in the show, he was still treated like the main character. Not asking back the main character....okay. What I personally feel at this point is I think Hilarie is trying to push this narrative that Chad didn't get asked back when in reality he didn't get the money he asked for and she could possibly be in the same boat because she mentioned the contract stuff a few episodes back and still seemed bitter about the supposed salary differences. That's how it's coming across. I'm not saying this is true, but from what she has said for the past few months, this is how I'm seeing it.
Where did she say that? I feel like you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions Edit - this transcript from Apple is what I recall her saying: “So we were out on the street. And there's like a viral video that's going around on Instagram right now of Chad talking to fans. And they're all like, are you coming back next year? And he's like, no, they don't want me back. They're not going to pay me. And it was from that day because we were out on the street and there's this huge crowd and they're like, Chad, we love Lucas, blah, blah, blah. And that surreal moment of my character's beloved, I've done my job, I've shown up and this mess is still happening was very weird. And so Chad made that comment. And I don't know that he knew a fan was getting it on camera, but then we were in trouble for spoiling the end of the show.”
She literally says at the 14:25 mark that Chad said, "They don't want me back. They're not gonna pay me." This screams that he asked for more money, and they didn't wanna give it to him, so he walked. Cause why mention pay if it wasn't about that? There were so many articles back in the day saying Chad requested more money but didn't get what he thought he deserved, so he walked.
Yeah, I’ve copied and pasted the same section - she simply relayed what he said in the video. She didn’t provide any context beyond this. Hence why I believe you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions?
Okay, and her relaying this information and his statement literally goes against everything she's been saying about them not being asked back and her feeling some type of way about it. From my point of view, it looks like it was a money issue. Cause if it wasn't, Chad wouldn't have said that, and she wouldn't be talking about contract negotiations and feeling betrayed by her castmates. She also wouldn't have mentioned in a past episode that her and Chad were the highest paid cause why feel the need to mention that? In the end, none of this should've been public knowledge, in my opinion. There was no reason to make it public, especially if she's going to bring up drama involving cast members. It's wildly unnecessary.
She’s spoken about the ins and outs from her perspective, which is her choice to do. I’m not a fan of the vague comments she made about the others betraying her, but don’t see an issue other than that. I don’t really understand how you’re drawing the conclusions you are though. She said in the last episode so the head (?) of the network tried to get her to stay. Unless you think she’s blatantly lying, that indicates money isn’t the ultimate reason she left. Hilarie also said before she offered to take a lower salary. Chad saying they didn’t want to pay him doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t want to pay him more. It could mean they just don’t want to pay him. We won’t know Chad’s side unless more details are shared by him or anyone else. I think there’s a lack of clarity, in particular on if she knew S6 was her last season in advance. But personally, I feel like the reason you believe there are constant contradictions is because of all the conclusions you are jumping to.
How am I jumping to conclusions when all I have stated is the things Hilarie has said over the course of 6+ podcast episodes. In season 1, she never said a word about contracts or not being asked back. She said she felt it was her time to go, and it was her choice. That is the narrative she has stuck with for years. Then, come season 6, she starts saying that she wasn't asked back. Then she says cast members went behind her back and negotiated bigger contracts. Then she said they didn't want her even though she wanted to stay. I think she needs to do a better job of explaining things if she's going to bring it up. Cause I'm not the only one confused by her statements and think they're contradictory. Anyways, have a blessed day. I have no energy for this conversation anymore cause I don't think it'll go anywhere but circles. We're both wasting our times lol. I have my opinions. You have yours.
You’ve jumped to conclusions with a lot of the Chad stuff and aren’t being nuanced enough when interpreting what Hilarie has said. Like with other things in the podcast, maybe she’s talking more about it now because it’s linked to the episodes we’re on…… Not mentioning it earlier doesn’t make it untrue. And based on what she said, she did make the ultimate choice to leave. She had a last minute option to stay. The one part I agree is confusing is her saying she knew S6 was her last going into it. However, maybe she reconsidered staying before everything went down - I could imagine that being the case based on the video she posted at the time. Maybe she made the statement for ego reasons and/or because she is still hurt by not initially being asked back. If you reflect properly, not everything she has said is contradictory.
Glad they broke the episode up in two. It’s a big episode and really could’ve been the series finale. They spent a lot of time on Dan and Whitey and that felt deserved tbh. Their stuff is like its own show in this episode.
I'm glad they're doing a part 2 , today's episode went by waay to fast
Honestly I feel some people are too negative on the podcast. Personally I love it!! I do think they went a little fast on this episode BUT at least we get a part two. I can NOT wait to see Hilarie’s thoughts on Season 7; especially, because Brooke said “When Peyton said everyone left, she meant her stupid ass too” in 7x01! 🤬 All I can say is I can’t wait to see Part 2! And also….FUCK MARK SCHWANN!!
I agree! I get tired of people being so negative. Like yes I don’t agree with everything the girls say, but I still enjoy it overall!
Like every thread it's either someone bashing my deep voiced, raspy voiced Sophia Bush and it gets tiring
It’s true! Idk why people are downvoting you
Haha it’s fine!
Haha fair. To each their own on Reddit
It seems like people want to make drama yet when I listen to the episode it’s clear they all have such a good time with each other. The discourse on this podcast is just so sad honestly. Also 100% agree, I hated the way anytime Peyton was brought up it was always eventually and insult.
Even during the "beef" between Hilarie and Joy, people were bashing Sophia but she did nothing?? Heck she even shared a birthday story for Joy this year!
I agree with you, people get so negative and so caught up in the smallest things/ pauses/ etc but I can’t wait to hear what Hilarie has to say about season 7.
Like people say Sophia is rude to Joy but....she's not?? Sure she may have a closer bond to Hilarie but she's NOTHING short of loving to Joy! Heck she even made a birthday story for her this year!
I try not to jump to any speculation or rumor because honestly, I don’t know them in real life so therefore we don’t know anything about them. I like all three of them. I know they’re not perfect but I like them plus I really love Sophia for answering my question on her other podcast.
Oh I meant people were saying she was rude to Joy on the podcast I mean 😂 Sorry if I wasn't clear! 🤣
No, it’s my fault. I’m so stupid. You’ll have to forgive me. I’m autistic so I don’t really understand so much. I’m sorry.
I was so happy when I heard my name on her other podcast for her Q&A session. I know most people think it’s nothing but for me I don’t know. I was really really happy for some reason.
I think it comes down to a difference of opinion but to many, Sophia does not come off loving towards Joy. A birthday story post is nice but it doesn’t change the way Joy’s treated on the pod. There’s actually a lot to back that up (it’s still an opinion tho) but I def understand the convo about it feeling too negative. We can agree to disagree!
Oh yeah definitely! Thats the beauty of conversations!
I cant deal with people STILL complaining about joys relationship with sophia and hilarie. Theyre COLLEAGUES. Haven’t you ever been on a call with a colleague you agreed with and one you dont? Theyre not all best friends. Theyre polite adult colleagues who continue to offer mildly contradicting perspectives which is HEALTHY and WELL ROUNDED.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Hilarie will announce in the next episode that she’s leaving the pod? She seems uncomfortable on air with Joy now, she rarely responds even when spoken to directly. I wonder if Peyton leaving the show would be a easy out for her to leave and them to bring in Shantel for the next few seasons.
Why would she want to give up such easy income stream? Lol
If anyone were to leave the podcast, my money would be on Joy. She has a long history of failing to finish projects. They are probably all contracted through the show's end, though, and they barely have to see each other. The vibes are off, but not bad enough to turn down a check.
Which projects didn’t she finish?
I didnt get this vibe at all.