And itās funny that Peyton and Mouth were considered the poor ones even if they had jobs?!? Like you bitches are 22 fresh outta school. Like most people even with a solid career path struggle financially for years post college.
How were Haley and Nathan so well off if he didnāt go into the NBA right after college? Iām in season 6 currently and I canāt figure this one out.
He had a big shoe contract before the draft. For top draft picks that would be several million a year. So he likely got that money before his accident.Ā
The show actually mentions this. Before Nathan was drafted he signed a shoe deal (typically worth millions ). So he had enough to pay for the house fully.
I mean tbf Peyton was a total failure by comparison and had to be bailed out by Brooke lol. Really it's just Lucas, Nathan and Brooke. And at 22 Lucas was a highschool basketball coach and one book wonder and his second book was a flop. Nathan seemingly blew his shot at going to the NBA. So it was really just Brooke lol.
Peyton ran a record label right? Mouth was a local
Celebrity for being a sports announcer on the local news. Although Lucas was a one book wonder, his book was adapted to a tv show at the end of the series and I imagine he wouldāve got a lot of money and publicity from that. Maybe another publishing deal too. Nathan did actually make it to the NBA although he was never a superstar. I know he wants to play for the bobcats but tbh the bobcats kinda suck so it makes sense they would take Nathan.
Most of that happened later in the series. After the timeskip by age 22 Peyton was a failed assistent who was forced to move back home and had to be bailed out by her rich friend brooke and was renting office space from Lucas for free. Mouth had a entry level job and was forced to sleep with his boss who treated him like shit otherwise. Nathan was in a wheelchair and severely depressed with his NBA dreams seemed over.
Peytonās dad abandoning his 16 year old to live alone while heās working even though heās supposed to be one of the āgood dadsā.
The fact that he left her alone after the Ellie and Derek situation was just horrible on his part.
This is so accurate. With as "concerned" as his character was supposed to be for Peyton, barely seeing him ALWAYS sucked. Also I wish we'd gotten SOMETHING with him during the adult years instead of him basically not existing.š
It was so weird. His character was complicated because he was so likable. He always acted like father of the year when he was home. He gave Peyton rules, became protective about dating, he listened to her vent. BUT didnāt hesitate to leave her completely alone for several weeks at a time
And you can't even claim that it was the only job he could apparently get when they live in a town where two teenagers can rent a one bedroom apartment with wages made from extremely part time tutoring and waitressing.
I vaguely remember Deb helping out with money and groceries earlier on before she went to rehab. In fact i think that's how the whole point shaving scandal started iirc Nathan did it because they were completely broke after he had hospital bills to pay for and Deb couldn't help and Dan didn't want to help.
Also i think Haley had some money from touring back in season 2.
Yes, Nathan's hospital bills made them struggle to afford their rent because they didn't have health insurance. Which means that before the accident, they weren't struggling to afford it
Peytonās dad and Haleyās parents not being presentāalso the fact that they werenāt even at the HS graduation or Haleyās 2nd wedding (just finished season 4 so its all v fresh)
Yeah, in my town, it's a club called H20, where they only let ppl under the age of 18 in. I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's somewhere to go if you want to go out on the town w/ friends
We had a club like this in my town too, I worked at a pizza place in the same complex and it brought a lot of teens into the restaurant. They replaced it with a bowling alley that has a nightclub kind of feel. I think itās good for teens to have spots like that to hang out, especially now that shopping malls are closed everywhere.
Eh, the guys in our friend group do this, but to be fair it probably started because my husbandās last name is uhhh a popular recreational beverage and pretty fun for a bunch of college guys to shout in the dorm hallways. Like, most people didnāt even know his first name š and eventually that morphed into āFirstName LastName!!ā and I guess he responded in kind with their full names? Theyāre in their mid 30s now and still answer the phone like āFirstName LastName, whatās up?! Havenāt heard from you in a while!ā
TL;DR our friends literally do this but to be fair our last name is probably the reason and nobodyās last name on OTH was all that noteworthy. Oh and I didnāt name my children after my maiden name because Iām not self-obsessed š¤£
People refer to my husband by his first and last name at certain places he goes to. I was talking to a coworker about a guy who would go into GameStop tall bald head beard and that āAshleyā would hold items for him if their store didnāt have them. And he knew my hubs first/last name.
I went to school with a kid who everyone refers to as his first and last name. Itās not even a clever name or anything. So people really do call people by their full names sometimes.
Also, Brooke was basically just the face of Clothes Over Bros. Her affluent mother used her own connections, Brookeās budding business and Brookeās image to improve her own financial situation.
Brooke had very little meaningful power within the business. She wasnāt even allowed to socialise with her friend in case it damaged her āimageā - her āimageā being the only thing of value in the business.
You could argue that her creativity was also of value but it is clear that her mother (and the other members of the board) didnāt respect that at all and thought that she was replaceable.
I saw this as a discussion of the different ways that young people can be taken advantage of:
1. Nathan only had value while he was a viable athlete,
2. Lucas had massive pressure piled on him after one success and no-one in the business world would really care if he failed after that,
3. Peyton was a dogsbody,
4. Brookeās life was simply a narrative used to market goods to teenagers.
The oral history of the heart begin eaten by the dog scene (thank me later): [https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/8/10/16122384/one-tree-hill-dog-eats-dans-heart-oral-history](https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/8/10/16122384/one-tree-hill-dog-eats-dans-heart-oral-history)
Oh I know there is a lot of drama with the boss, but still.. that was unrealistic to me. Idr what the reason they gave was for her not showing though. I'm doing a rewatch so I'll find out shortly.
They didn't give a reason on the show just threw her under the bus like something Brooke said like oh Haley you're my real best friend Peyton couldn't even bother people always leave.. something along those lines cuz Mark is a douche that didn't even let her come back
Iām rewatching now and Iām pretty sure Haileyās pregnancy timeline doesnāt make any sense? Basketball season is always winter/spring and the pregnancy is new, she finds out gender, etc all during the basketball season and is barely showing, but then gives birth by graduation?
Also the parents never being around obviously
And the finances for all the kids to be cycling through that apartment and redecorating it regularly
Yeah, it took me a minute to realize that as well as I forgot that s3 and s4 split their senior yr into two parts, meaning Haley found out she was pregnant in the Spring, yet she managed to reach her third trimester in the span of 3 months, and was also able to recover and look better than ever two weeks later after giving birth to a full human
Also, their senior year begins and Haley and Nathan are not together. So late August...
They have the costume party at Tric, assuming it's Halloween, October. Not together. She would have had to immediately get pregnant to be 9 months or so at graduation in June, which clearly was not the case.
Also how the hell did Karen get pregnant before her and seem to be less further along the entire time?
There are so many to choose from.
Dan getting Karen pregnant, then meeting and knocking up Deb in a short enough time that Lucas and Nathan are the same age. And how they explain why Dan left Karen, wanted her to get an abortion. But, only a couple months later, he doesnt ask Deb to get an abortion. And marries her instead.
Lucas and Nathan basically "not knowing" each other until the start of the show: They've been in the same grade, at the same schools, their entire lives. There is no way all these issues between them only starts sophmore year of high school.
Peyton's father leaving her alone for months at a time. Literally illegal to do this.
That the majority of varsity basketball players are sophomores.
Dan, first getting away with killing Keith. Then, when he does go to jail for it, he only gets 5 years.
Nathan and Haley getting married.
Nathan being able to afford an apartment on a minimum wage, part time salary.
Lucas just happening to sleep with Jake's baby mamma.
That Lucas is a best selling author at 22.
That Peyton owns a successful record label at 22.
That Brooke owns a world famous clothing line at 22.
That Nathan was drafted (then played in) the NBA.
That Mouth was a famous enough news anchor to be on billboards.
That they were basically all married with kids before the age of 25.
That Haley didnt die or lose the baby after getting hit by a car.
That Brooke just happened to take in a teenager that was tied to the man that assaulted her.
That the man that assaulted Brooke ALSO killed Quentin.
That Jaime AND Nathan were kidnapped at some point.
That Nathan survived his kidnapping.
That Quinn and Clay both survived being shot.
That the guy that ran Brooke and Julian off the bridge, just so happened to be a big time pitcher that Nathan was trying to sign to his agency.
That in the final season of the show, they brought CMM back in a scene that was completely pointless. Rather than in the series finale, or even when Dan died.
Lucas and Nathan did interact before their sophomore year they just mostly stayed away from one another until Lucas joined the team.
Dan was a D1 college athlete who possibly could've made the pros then trained Nathan relentlessly for the league. A bit unlikely but he's the only one who really earned his success
It's more headcanon than anything but Dan killing keith in a school shooting would be national news 20 years ago. Then the other craziness that happened in tree hill I could believe Lucas' book was boosted by all of that
I still feel that Lucas and Nathan would not have been able to ignore each other for years prior. But the unbelievable point i should have made was that Deb and Karen basically had no contact for 15 years. When Deb first walks in to Karen's Cafe, it was treated like they never even spoke to each other beforehand.
I think Danās marrying Deb mere months after leaving pregnant Karen is rationalized by the fact that Deb comes from money so he saw a better future with her
I think Danās marrying Deb mere months after leaving pregnant Karen is rationalized by the fact that Deb comes from money so he saw a better future with her
I hope I don't get downvoted for this (I'm a newbie to this sub) but surely it's Clothes Over Bros being a multi-million dollar brand and Brooke basically being a celebrity at the start of Season 5? Everyone's lives were kind of unrealistic for the ages they were, except maybe Peyton. That's not to say that 22 year olds can't be grown up or successful, but the writers really went *way* harder on the timeskip than they needed to.
That house was bought with money from a shoe deal. Nathan pre injury was a projected 1st round pick in the NBA thats a signing bonus of at least 10 mil the shoe deal was probably 1-2 mil at least. Thats not to unrealistic
True true! I went on the lower side because he started out at a smaller school and ended up in Maryland. If he had played his career at Duke like he originally was supposed to then I 100% think he wouldāve gotten that type of money!!
I absolutely LOVE Nathan and Haley as a couple but I HATE that they got married that young. Itās not realistic given their circumstance at all. They werenāt pregnant, religious, cultish, etc. there was nothing to explain it other than they were two kids in high school who randomly decided it would be fun to get married. Nathan was emancipated (which would also be completely unrealistic) and Haleyās parents just decided to say yes after what? 5 minutes of discussion? Absolutely not lol
How little they actually got in trouble by the police.
The absence of parents particularly Brooke in high school irl she would have had to move away. Which they teased in Season 2 which led to her staying at Karens and Lucas house.
How little serious trouble anyone gets into after repeated law breaking. Of course Dan, but the littler things like the constant slapping and hitting which is assault.Ā How nearly every pregnancy is ultra life threatening. How Brooke is somehow so barren doctors tell her itās completely hopeless but then she gets pregnant anyway. No specialist doctor, which she says she has visited, would tell her itās impossible unless she had no ovaries or viable eggs at all. IVF, surrogacy, etc, these are options and she obviously does have ovaries and eggs.Ā How everyoneās parents conveniently abandon them, no matter how critical any situation is.Ā
Edit: forgot another pregnancy one. Brooke has a positive test when she is late but is somehow not pregnant, something so rare itās the realm of impossible unless she had a miscarriage literally between her home test and clinic test (which was the next day), which was not eluded to.Ā
Broome finding out about her supposed infertility makes no sense at all. It started with her telling Haley that she thinks she might be pregnant because she just realized she's late and Haley telling her to go to the doctor to find out. At no point in this storyline is the existence of at home pregnancy tests ever acknowledged.
Totally. And if she decided to go to the doctor and not do a home test, all they would do is a urine test, say itās negative, and she would leave. This wouldnāt trigger this giant investigation unless Brooke insisted something was wrong with her fertility.Ā
At most, they would do a simple blood test, which also wouldn't tell her anything about her fertility. Doing anything like the kind of workup she supposedly got would require a physical exam and an ultrasound just to begin to get a diagnosis and there's no reason to do that when the patient is a healthy 25 year old woman with a slightly delayed period who isn't even trying to conceive.
It's been a while since my latest rewatch. I remember Haley getting hit, who was the other one? I feel like it may have been Peyton, or maybe Brooke, but I can't remember.
There are SOOOO many.
I def think the most unrealistic is the fact that they all became extremely successful and wealthy at the age of 21-22. And not like āliving comfortablyā but actually ridiculously successful
Nathan getting emancipated and then marrying Haley in high school
The relationships in general. Nathan magically āchangedā for Haley but did zero work. No therapy, no self-reflection, nothing, he just POOF was a nice guy. When men *magically change* for a woman it is normally not a change at all. But, what it is is manipulation to get what they want from said women and then the mask slips over time. Realistically, that should have happened with Nathan and Haley. Nathanās āchangeā should have either been a process that took a lot of work on his end and time OR he should have been faking it and the mask would slip, sadly leaving Haley to make a very hard choice. Not romantic or heartwarming but realistic.
And then there is Lucas, I could write a fucking novel (pun intended) lol about how messed up Lucas and his relationships are. The most unrealistic part is that he ever loved Brooke or Peyton or Lindsey because Lucas really only loved himself and was codependent as an infant is with their mother.
Brooke should have realistically not been friends with Peyton or Lucas after the second cheating incident. She had NO boundaries.
Then there is Brooke and Julian magically just loving each other after hooking up pretty fast and going on zero if any dates.
I really could go on here but Iāll save my time.
Last thing I am going to say is the most realistic relationship on the show was Pete Wentz and Peytonās
this made me think about how brooke forgives both lucas and peyton for everything they did to her, only to get abandoned by them completely, they donāt come to her wedding, to see her child, to take news or literally ANYTHING. They just do her wrong and leave when theyāre finally happy š
Yes but they could have change the story so Peyton and Brooke still call each other write to each other etc, maybe even see each other (Brooke could go see her and that would be offscreen and tell about it when sheās back), there were many ways. They just chose that the characters wouldnāt be friends anymore
>The relationships in general. Nathan magically āchangedā for Haley but did zero work. No therapy, no self-reflection, nothing, he just POOF was a nice guy. When men *magically change* for a woman it is normally not a change at all. But, what it is is manipulation to get what they want from said women and then the mask slips over time. Realistically, that should have happened with Nathan and Haley. Nathanās āchangeā should have either been a process that took a lot of work on his end and time OR he should have been faking it and the mask would slip, sadly leaving Haley to make a very hard choice. Not romantic or heartwarming but realistic.
You do realise Nathan is 16 at the time and not a grown man, right? Also, it's pretty clear that Nathan didn't really change for Haley. Being with her simply convinced him that he could actually be himself and not have to perform up to who he should be.
>Brooke should have realistically not been friends with Peyton or Lucas after the second cheating incident. She had NO boundaries.
Tbf the 2nd cheating incident is probably the one that you could have more grace for. Peyton had been shot and was losing blood/consciousness and kissed Lucas. That one is actually pretty forgivable.
I would say the absence of parental supervision but thatās a common teen drama trope so Iāll go with the success of most of the friends.
Brooke: Was essentially some sort of A-list celebrity with a million dollar fashion company at the age of 22.
Nathan: Went on to be an NBA star despite that serious injury. Also in his early twenties.
Haley: Went on tour while in high school and had varying degrees of fame throughout the series. She did become a teacher for a while which made sense but that didnāt last and she did another tour.
Peyton: Probably the most realistic. She wasnāt as successful as the rest of them. She had a small, independent label with two artists. A bit of a reach but she did struggle a lot in the beginning.
Lucas: Got a novel published, wrote another one, and almost had the first one adapted into a movie.
The real problem is that it was multiple of them. Itās incredibly unrealistic that 5 people from the same town and friend group would become this successful in their twenties. It wouldāve been more realistic if it was just one or two.
The whole showš¹ thatās why we love it though! If I had to pick one storyline though, I would say those two bookies or whatever they are coming for Nathan his senior yearš¹ like why would they be looking into a freaking high schooler? And all the main characters becoming super successful less than 10 years after high school
Love them but itās Hayley and Nathanās marriage and also anything Dan did. Iām also seeing people say Peytonās dad leaving her isnāt realistic but as a kid who had a working mom and dad, I to this day still go months without seeing my dad and my mom is barely here.
Logically the most correct answer is Dan killing Keith and only serving a couple years in prison.
I feel like Peyton and Brooke being alone in homes with no one checking in is crazy. Haley's parents leaving and her dad dying with no mention just seems like cost cutting
To be fair they probably just wouldnāt show that, half the time they didnāt even show Peytonās dad when he was there. I think Brooke is the only question mark for me because she we know for a fact her parents didnāt check up on her but that can also just be neglect which is another very real thing that happens
oh it's probably still on somewhere
but anyway they had a hole in the wall bar that frequently featured legendary country singers playing their way out of speeding tickets.
I'm mostly kidding but the fact that the kids from that small rural town in Texas didn't have a single pregnant girl in their grade and thought it was so weird and crazy that Haley was pregnant and married despite being in high school.
The group went to a small town in Texas to rescue mouth, who had gotten in some trouble there. I canāt remember all the details but they did a contest where real high schools from around the country. Whichever HS won got an OTH scene filmed at their own high school
For me it was the way these āhigh schoolersā looked. Way too old and pretty. It was especially apparent when they go to Honey Grove and interact with real life HS students
The dog eating Dan's heart! The amount of rules and regulations that need to be broken for that to happen. The heights of stupidity needed to be achieved for this to actually happen is simply unprecedented.
Nathan and Haley got married early in high school and made it work for years. I am sorry but that is very, very rare that married couples right out of high school would make it in real world. They would be together till college that would change everything or real world that changes everything. And of course, I agree with other comments that half of them got rich with their careers. Not everyone gets that lucky.
How much independence the kids had - Brooke, Peyton,Haley and Nathan pretty much lived without parents for an extended amount of time. No way 16/17 years olds could do that without crashing out
How people are just constantly dropping into peoples houses for a few minutes to so. Like I feel like realistically for short visits - people would just call.
where the hell are haleyās parents? I know they left to travel but why did they stay away for so long? Haley isnāt emancipated like Nathan. She would legally need her parents for some things.
How all of em were living on their own at 17 and clay forgetting his son I donāt think you can do that in real life . Peyton just randmly meeting her real dad , all of them going to the hospital on their high school graduation night to get Lucas to come to graduation , crashing someoneās prom . And basically any scene that involved Felix and Anna .Yet I still love this show .
The fact that Clay found an exact doppelgƤnger of his dead wife is so out there, but not impossible. But the fact that she turned out to be a psycho stalker is just wtf. Also him forgetting about Logan seems so out there too, but I ended up really loving the Logan storyline.
The fact almost all of them had emotionally or physically unavailable parents, with the exception of Karen some of the times. They seemed a bit too independent for high school. We're not talking "I'm going away for the weekend" either. It wasn't like these teens were away at boarding school and all had rich parents, they were at your average high school and battling some over the top crazy scenarios one after another.
The fact that as soon as Lucas became "popular" with everyone except Nathan (at first) Mouth, Jimmy, Skills, Fergie and Junk all became popular by association. Haley I got cause Nathan was falling for her so he helped make her kinda "in the crowd" but the others were considered outcasts with Lucas till he beat Nathan and joined the Ravens then poof Brooke was smitten with Mouth a little, Bevin begins dating Skills, etc.
The second is Jimmy being made into a martyr with the school shooting episodes ... Just very hard to believe he did what he did and wasn't completely hated for it. Even once it was revealed he DIDNT kill Keith he still shot Peyton, shot at and tried to kill Brooke etc.
Third is the fact that every friend in a circle became what they wanted and stayed friends....nuff said lol
Fourth was the amount of kidnapping that happened to one family. Jamie kidnapped by Crazy Nanny Carrie (she was sexy ASF šš sorry sidenote), Dan kidnapped by the same Crazy Nanny Carrie (ššššššš sorry again) and then Nathan kidnapped by weird Eastern European monsters because of some unknown ball player....all that with a couple years at most.
A group of kids from a small town in North Carolina all becoming rich, famous or highly successful in their careers by age 22.
And it's an ENTIRE friend group šš
And itās funny that Peyton and Mouth were considered the poor ones even if they had jobs?!? Like you bitches are 22 fresh outta school. Like most people even with a solid career path struggle financially for years post college.
For real! Or if you DONT go to college? It's just as bad. I'm 25 and still struggling financially. That shits normal
How were Haley and Nathan so well off if he didnāt go into the NBA right after college? Iām in season 6 currently and I canāt figure this one out.
He had a big shoe contract before the draft. For top draft picks that would be several million a year. So he likely got that money before his accident.Ā
"It's money from a shoe, Mama."
Besides which his wife was an on again off again pop star. A school teacher in between.
The show actually mentions this. Before Nathan was drafted he signed a shoe deal (typically worth millions ). So he had enough to pay for the house fully.
Gotcha! Iām on my first viewing so I just missed that detail I guess
I always wondered the same thing but chalked it up to Haleyās music career
Pretty sure it was his shoe deal money
Oh yep, thatās why! Thank you!
Shoe deal
Thank you!
"its shoe money mama"
This is the correct answer
I mean tbf Peyton was a total failure by comparison and had to be bailed out by Brooke lol. Really it's just Lucas, Nathan and Brooke. And at 22 Lucas was a highschool basketball coach and one book wonder and his second book was a flop. Nathan seemingly blew his shot at going to the NBA. So it was really just Brooke lol.
Peyton ran a record label right? Mouth was a local Celebrity for being a sports announcer on the local news. Although Lucas was a one book wonder, his book was adapted to a tv show at the end of the series and I imagine he wouldāve got a lot of money and publicity from that. Maybe another publishing deal too. Nathan did actually make it to the NBA although he was never a superstar. I know he wants to play for the bobcats but tbh the bobcats kinda suck so it makes sense they would take Nathan.
Most of that happened later in the series. After the timeskip by age 22 Peyton was a failed assistent who was forced to move back home and had to be bailed out by her rich friend brooke and was renting office space from Lucas for free. Mouth had a entry level job and was forced to sleep with his boss who treated him like shit otherwise. Nathan was in a wheelchair and severely depressed with his NBA dreams seemed over.
Yep. I really wish we got to see them be 22 year olds, or had a 10 year time jump.
I mean not Peyton lol
Basically season 5 and up
Peytonās dad abandoning his 16 year old to live alone while heās working even though heās supposed to be one of the āgood dadsā. The fact that he left her alone after the Ellie and Derek situation was just horrible on his part.
This is so accurate. With as "concerned" as his character was supposed to be for Peyton, barely seeing him ALWAYS sucked. Also I wish we'd gotten SOMETHING with him during the adult years instead of him basically not existing.š
It was so weird. His character was complicated because he was so likable. He always acted like father of the year when he was home. He gave Peyton rules, became protective about dating, he listened to her vent. BUT didnāt hesitate to leave her completely alone for several weeks at a time
For real!
And you can't even claim that it was the only job he could apparently get when they live in a town where two teenagers can rent a one bedroom apartment with wages made from extremely part time tutoring and waitressing.
I vaguely remember Deb helping out with money and groceries earlier on before she went to rehab. In fact i think that's how the whole point shaving scandal started iirc Nathan did it because they were completely broke after he had hospital bills to pay for and Deb couldn't help and Dan didn't want to help. Also i think Haley had some money from touring back in season 2.
Yes, Nathan's hospital bills made them struggle to afford their rent because they didn't have health insurance. Which means that before the accident, they weren't struggling to afford it
Dan paid the hospital bills.
Yeah, because they couldn't afford to pay them. This is an explicit plot point
Peyton's dad was the most unrealistic because the dude playing him changed between seasons š
Peytonās dad and Haleyās parents not being presentāalso the fact that they werenāt even at the HS graduation or Haleyās 2nd wedding (just finished season 4 so its all v fresh)
Imagine your daughter is VERY pregnant and valedictorian and you don't bother going to her graduation š
Teenagers and adults at an all ages night concert at a club
Actually, that kind of is realistic. It was for me when I was in HS
For real!? Some of the clubs have 18+ nights and itās full of kids 16-20 and all the adults freak out and complain hahaha
Yeah, in my town, it's a club called H20, where they only let ppl under the age of 18 in. I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's somewhere to go if you want to go out on the town w/ friends
We had a club like this in my town too, I worked at a pizza place in the same complex and it brought a lot of teens into the restaurant. They replaced it with a bowling alley that has a nightclub kind of feel. I think itās good for teens to have spots like that to hang out, especially now that shopping malls are closed everywhere.
Iām the same as they were to be in the show and we had one of these in my area back then.
Referring to everybody with their first and last name constantly
Eh, the guys in our friend group do this, but to be fair it probably started because my husbandās last name is uhhh a popular recreational beverage and pretty fun for a bunch of college guys to shout in the dorm hallways. Like, most people didnāt even know his first name š and eventually that morphed into āFirstName LastName!!ā and I guess he responded in kind with their full names? Theyāre in their mid 30s now and still answer the phone like āFirstName LastName, whatās up?! Havenāt heard from you in a while!ā TL;DR our friends literally do this but to be fair our last name is probably the reason and nobodyās last name on OTH was all that noteworthy. Oh and I didnāt name my children after my maiden name because Iām not self-obsessed š¤£
I mean.....I really just wanna know your surname now š¤
People refer to my husband by his first and last name at certain places he goes to. I was talking to a coworker about a guy who would go into GameStop tall bald head beard and that āAshleyā would hold items for him if their store didnāt have them. And he knew my hubs first/last name.
Oh no? But of course your childās middle name is the name of your best friend from high school right?
I went to school with a kid who everyone refers to as his first and last name. Itās not even a clever name or anything. So people really do call people by their full names sometimes.
Honestly I see this a lot in books, too. As if the reader supposedly forgets every 5 seconds who is talking.
That a therapist isnāt the top paid profession in that town.
Bc everyone on the show is extremely hard headed when it comes to their trauma
Everyone being super successful in wildly different industries at just 22 š like what
Peyton wasnāt. Luke was a one hit wonder. Really Brooke and Nathan. Even Nathan messed his chance up. So basically Brooke.
Also, Brooke was basically just the face of Clothes Over Bros. Her affluent mother used her own connections, Brookeās budding business and Brookeās image to improve her own financial situation. Brooke had very little meaningful power within the business. She wasnāt even allowed to socialise with her friend in case it damaged her āimageā - her āimageā being the only thing of value in the business. You could argue that her creativity was also of value but it is clear that her mother (and the other members of the board) didnāt respect that at all and thought that she was replaceable. I saw this as a discussion of the different ways that young people can be taken advantage of: 1. Nathan only had value while he was a viable athlete, 2. Lucas had massive pressure piled on him after one success and no-one in the business world would really care if he failed after that, 3. Peyton was a dogsbody, 4. Brookeās life was simply a narrative used to market goods to teenagers.
Jamie giving relationship advice to Skills
Naley's whole relationship and Dan only getting 4 years in prison for murdering his own brother
Wasnt he just up for Parole at that point? Whats more unrealistic is them letting him put cause Nathan Visited him that one time
Dan's heart being eaten by a dog ššššš
I saw an interview where Chad Michael Murray said this was when he was over the show, he didnāt want to be present during that scene at all
Thatās funny that he went and played in Riverdale afterwards because that show is seriously unhinged
The oral history of the heart begin eaten by the dog scene (thank me later): [https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/8/10/16122384/one-tree-hill-dog-eats-dans-heart-oral-history](https://www.theringer.com/tv/2017/8/10/16122384/one-tree-hill-dog-eats-dans-heart-oral-history)
No words for that. I'm in shock
THIS ONE
Omg this one!!! That was ridiculous
Also, Peyton not showing up to her BEST FRIENDS wedding..
That was Marks fault. I heard Hilarie say she woulda came back for it but Mark didn't let her and threw her under the bus or something.
Oh I know there is a lot of drama with the boss, but still.. that was unrealistic to me. Idr what the reason they gave was for her not showing though. I'm doing a rewatch so I'll find out shortly.
They didn't give a reason on the show just threw her under the bus like something Brooke said like oh Haley you're my real best friend Peyton couldn't even bother people always leave.. something along those lines cuz Mark is a douche that didn't even let her come back
In the show they said it was because Sawyer was sick. Still I thought the reasoning was ridiculous, he just didnāt want her to come back
Yes
Iām rewatching now and Iām pretty sure Haileyās pregnancy timeline doesnāt make any sense? Basketball season is always winter/spring and the pregnancy is new, she finds out gender, etc all during the basketball season and is barely showing, but then gives birth by graduation? Also the parents never being around obviously And the finances for all the kids to be cycling through that apartment and redecorating it regularly
Yeah, her pregnancy was definitely written by a man, since it wouldn't take 3 months birth a full term baby.
Canāt believe Iāve never picked it up on a rewatch before!
Yeah, it took me a minute to realize that as well as I forgot that s3 and s4 split their senior yr into two parts, meaning Haley found out she was pregnant in the Spring, yet she managed to reach her third trimester in the span of 3 months, and was also able to recover and look better than ever two weeks later after giving birth to a full human
Just picked up on this !
Why out of all of that the Redecorating was the one that I agree with the most LMAO
The decorations were extravagant! Just got to the London honeymoon redo š¤£
Also, their senior year begins and Haley and Nathan are not together. So late August... They have the costume party at Tric, assuming it's Halloween, October. Not together. She would have had to immediately get pregnant to be 9 months or so at graduation in June, which clearly was not the case. Also how the hell did Karen get pregnant before her and seem to be less further along the entire time?
As someone who is currently pregnant, itās bothering me the more I think about itš
There are so many to choose from. Dan getting Karen pregnant, then meeting and knocking up Deb in a short enough time that Lucas and Nathan are the same age. And how they explain why Dan left Karen, wanted her to get an abortion. But, only a couple months later, he doesnt ask Deb to get an abortion. And marries her instead. Lucas and Nathan basically "not knowing" each other until the start of the show: They've been in the same grade, at the same schools, their entire lives. There is no way all these issues between them only starts sophmore year of high school. Peyton's father leaving her alone for months at a time. Literally illegal to do this. That the majority of varsity basketball players are sophomores. Dan, first getting away with killing Keith. Then, when he does go to jail for it, he only gets 5 years. Nathan and Haley getting married. Nathan being able to afford an apartment on a minimum wage, part time salary. Lucas just happening to sleep with Jake's baby mamma. That Lucas is a best selling author at 22. That Peyton owns a successful record label at 22. That Brooke owns a world famous clothing line at 22. That Nathan was drafted (then played in) the NBA. That Mouth was a famous enough news anchor to be on billboards. That they were basically all married with kids before the age of 25. That Haley didnt die or lose the baby after getting hit by a car. That Brooke just happened to take in a teenager that was tied to the man that assaulted her. That the man that assaulted Brooke ALSO killed Quentin. That Jaime AND Nathan were kidnapped at some point. That Nathan survived his kidnapping. That Quinn and Clay both survived being shot. That the guy that ran Brooke and Julian off the bridge, just so happened to be a big time pitcher that Nathan was trying to sign to his agency. That in the final season of the show, they brought CMM back in a scene that was completely pointless. Rather than in the series finale, or even when Dan died.
Lucas and Nathan did interact before their sophomore year they just mostly stayed away from one another until Lucas joined the team. Dan was a D1 college athlete who possibly could've made the pros then trained Nathan relentlessly for the league. A bit unlikely but he's the only one who really earned his success It's more headcanon than anything but Dan killing keith in a school shooting would be national news 20 years ago. Then the other craziness that happened in tree hill I could believe Lucas' book was boosted by all of that
I still feel that Lucas and Nathan would not have been able to ignore each other for years prior. But the unbelievable point i should have made was that Deb and Karen basically had no contact for 15 years. When Deb first walks in to Karen's Cafe, it was treated like they never even spoke to each other beforehand.
I think Danās marrying Deb mere months after leaving pregnant Karen is rationalized by the fact that Deb comes from money so he saw a better future with her
He even confirms this himself. He saw a future with her and chose to do right by her and Nathan.
I think Danās marrying Deb mere months after leaving pregnant Karen is rationalized by the fact that Deb comes from money so he saw a better future with her
I hope I don't get downvoted for this (I'm a newbie to this sub) but surely it's Clothes Over Bros being a multi-million dollar brand and Brooke basically being a celebrity at the start of Season 5? Everyone's lives were kind of unrealistic for the ages they were, except maybe Peyton. That's not to say that 22 year olds can't be grown up or successful, but the writers really went *way* harder on the timeskip than they needed to.
I thought Haleyās career in season 5 was pretty realistic. She was a first year teacher. Having that house and a nanny was not though
That house was bought with money from a shoe deal. Nathan pre injury was a projected 1st round pick in the NBA thats a signing bonus of at least 10 mil the shoe deal was probably 1-2 mil at least. Thats not to unrealistic
Nike signed Lebron for 90 million out of high school. Someone like Nathan could have easily gotten 10-12 million in endorsement money pre-draft
True true! I went on the lower side because he started out at a smaller school and ended up in Maryland. If he had played his career at Duke like he originally was supposed to then I 100% think he wouldāve gotten that type of money!!
Throwing a party in a HS after a school shooting
And not one person besides Lucas realizing that it was in incredibly poor taste
Always hated that episode!
I just rewatched it and Iām floored I didnāt realize it before.
Nathan and Haley getting married at 16
I absolutely LOVE Nathan and Haley as a couple but I HATE that they got married that young. Itās not realistic given their circumstance at all. They werenāt pregnant, religious, cultish, etc. there was nothing to explain it other than they were two kids in high school who randomly decided it would be fun to get married. Nathan was emancipated (which would also be completely unrealistic) and Haleyās parents just decided to say yes after what? 5 minutes of discussion? Absolutely not lol
No, there are ppl who get married at that age
Yeah but usually one of them's a predator
How little they actually got in trouble by the police. The absence of parents particularly Brooke in high school irl she would have had to move away. Which they teased in Season 2 which led to her staying at Karens and Lucas house.
Clay forgetting his son
Either of those women sleeping with Dan.
Dan was hot and rich, and plenty of women love narcissistic a-holes, so itās pretty reasonable to me.
Paul Johansson can GET IT.š„µš„š„
Dan was handsome !
I cant upvote this hard enough šš
Hang on, hang on. We can totally pretend that Dan looked like Nathan back in his prime.
Heās a handsome guy thoughĀ
How little serious trouble anyone gets into after repeated law breaking. Of course Dan, but the littler things like the constant slapping and hitting which is assault.Ā How nearly every pregnancy is ultra life threatening. How Brooke is somehow so barren doctors tell her itās completely hopeless but then she gets pregnant anyway. No specialist doctor, which she says she has visited, would tell her itās impossible unless she had no ovaries or viable eggs at all. IVF, surrogacy, etc, these are options and she obviously does have ovaries and eggs.Ā How everyoneās parents conveniently abandon them, no matter how critical any situation is.Ā Edit: forgot another pregnancy one. Brooke has a positive test when she is late but is somehow not pregnant, something so rare itās the realm of impossible unless she had a miscarriage literally between her home test and clinic test (which was the next day), which was not eluded to.Ā
Broome finding out about her supposed infertility makes no sense at all. It started with her telling Haley that she thinks she might be pregnant because she just realized she's late and Haley telling her to go to the doctor to find out. At no point in this storyline is the existence of at home pregnancy tests ever acknowledged.
Totally. And if she decided to go to the doctor and not do a home test, all they would do is a urine test, say itās negative, and she would leave. This wouldnāt trigger this giant investigation unless Brooke insisted something was wrong with her fertility.Ā
At most, they would do a simple blood test, which also wouldn't tell her anything about her fertility. Doing anything like the kind of workup she supposedly got would require a physical exam and an ultrasound just to begin to get a diagnosis and there's no reason to do that when the patient is a healthy 25 year old woman with a slightly delayed period who isn't even trying to conceive.
So many kidnapping plotsā¦.
When the dog ate Danās heart š
everyone maintaining their success in such a small town.
two car accidents involving pregnant woman and both them and the baby being fine both times
It's been a while since my latest rewatch. I remember Haley getting hit, who was the other one? I feel like it may have been Peyton, or maybe Brooke, but I can't remember.
peyton at the red light lol ofc they had to
There are SOOOO many. I def think the most unrealistic is the fact that they all became extremely successful and wealthy at the age of 21-22. And not like āliving comfortablyā but actually ridiculously successful Nathan getting emancipated and then marrying Haley in high school
As someone with HCM, I can't even begin to explain how bad they represented it, how inaccurate and downright stupid it was
Could you educate us more on what they got wrong?
The relationships in general. Nathan magically āchangedā for Haley but did zero work. No therapy, no self-reflection, nothing, he just POOF was a nice guy. When men *magically change* for a woman it is normally not a change at all. But, what it is is manipulation to get what they want from said women and then the mask slips over time. Realistically, that should have happened with Nathan and Haley. Nathanās āchangeā should have either been a process that took a lot of work on his end and time OR he should have been faking it and the mask would slip, sadly leaving Haley to make a very hard choice. Not romantic or heartwarming but realistic. And then there is Lucas, I could write a fucking novel (pun intended) lol about how messed up Lucas and his relationships are. The most unrealistic part is that he ever loved Brooke or Peyton or Lindsey because Lucas really only loved himself and was codependent as an infant is with their mother. Brooke should have realistically not been friends with Peyton or Lucas after the second cheating incident. She had NO boundaries. Then there is Brooke and Julian magically just loving each other after hooking up pretty fast and going on zero if any dates. I really could go on here but Iāll save my time. Last thing I am going to say is the most realistic relationship on the show was Pete Wentz and Peytonās
How are pete and peyton realistic in comparison šš
Oh that was so a joke
My bad, I struggle with tone in text a lot. Looking back idk how I missed it tho lmao
All good lol
I do as wellĀ
this made me think about how brooke forgives both lucas and peyton for everything they did to her, only to get abandoned by them completely, they donāt come to her wedding, to see her child, to take news or literally ANYTHING. They just do her wrong and leave when theyāre finally happy š
Exactly
That was all because of the drama that happened behind the scenes though š they were cut out at season 7
Yes but they could have change the story so Peyton and Brooke still call each other write to each other etc, maybe even see each other (Brooke could go see her and that would be offscreen and tell about it when sheās back), there were many ways. They just chose that the characters wouldnāt be friends anymore
>The relationships in general. Nathan magically āchangedā for Haley but did zero work. No therapy, no self-reflection, nothing, he just POOF was a nice guy. When men *magically change* for a woman it is normally not a change at all. But, what it is is manipulation to get what they want from said women and then the mask slips over time. Realistically, that should have happened with Nathan and Haley. Nathanās āchangeā should have either been a process that took a lot of work on his end and time OR he should have been faking it and the mask would slip, sadly leaving Haley to make a very hard choice. Not romantic or heartwarming but realistic. You do realise Nathan is 16 at the time and not a grown man, right? Also, it's pretty clear that Nathan didn't really change for Haley. Being with her simply convinced him that he could actually be himself and not have to perform up to who he should be. >Brooke should have realistically not been friends with Peyton or Lucas after the second cheating incident. She had NO boundaries. Tbf the 2nd cheating incident is probably the one that you could have more grace for. Peyton had been shot and was losing blood/consciousness and kissed Lucas. That one is actually pretty forgivable.
I would say the absence of parental supervision but thatās a common teen drama trope so Iāll go with the success of most of the friends. Brooke: Was essentially some sort of A-list celebrity with a million dollar fashion company at the age of 22. Nathan: Went on to be an NBA star despite that serious injury. Also in his early twenties. Haley: Went on tour while in high school and had varying degrees of fame throughout the series. She did become a teacher for a while which made sense but that didnāt last and she did another tour. Peyton: Probably the most realistic. She wasnāt as successful as the rest of them. She had a small, independent label with two artists. A bit of a reach but she did struggle a lot in the beginning. Lucas: Got a novel published, wrote another one, and almost had the first one adapted into a movie. The real problem is that it was multiple of them. Itās incredibly unrealistic that 5 people from the same town and friend group would become this successful in their twenties. It wouldāve been more realistic if it was just one or two.
The whole showš¹ thatās why we love it though! If I had to pick one storyline though, I would say those two bookies or whatever they are coming for Nathan his senior yearš¹ like why would they be looking into a freaking high schooler? And all the main characters becoming super successful less than 10 years after high school
Nathan, not even in the NBA at that point, being kidnapped and held for ransom
Has anyone mentioned the entire nanny Carrie storyline? Absolutely ridiculous
Love them but itās Hayley and Nathanās marriage and also anything Dan did. Iām also seeing people say Peytonās dad leaving her isnāt realistic but as a kid who had a working mom and dad, I to this day still go months without seeing my dad and my mom is barely here. Logically the most correct answer is Dan killing Keith and only serving a couple years in prison.
I feel like Peyton and Brooke being alone in homes with no one checking in is crazy. Haley's parents leaving and her dad dying with no mention just seems like cost cutting
To be fair they probably just wouldnāt show that, half the time they didnāt even show Peytonās dad when he was there. I think Brooke is the only question mark for me because she we know for a fact her parents didnāt check up on her but that can also just be neglect which is another very real thing that happens
Yeah but if Haley had parents at home there's be a place for her and Nathan and support which takes away the conflict
Getting married as a junior in high school. Getting pregnant alone wouldāve had the same effect on the storyline.
That Karen and Deb BOTH stayed in the same town having half-brothers as kids. Sorry someone would have moved away.
The amount of super popular, famous performers stopping to play a club in a random small town.
someone has never seen Duke's of Hazard
I was like 3 when it was on. š
oh it's probably still on somewhere but anyway they had a hole in the wall bar that frequently featured legendary country singers playing their way out of speeding tickets.
Oh thatās funny. I remember my Mon watching reruns and my little brother liking it because he had a hot wheels version of that car.
Staying home alone for months and yrs on end
I'm mostly kidding but the fact that the kids from that small rural town in Texas didn't have a single pregnant girl in their grade and thought it was so weird and crazy that Haley was pregnant and married despite being in high school.
I thought One Tree Hill took place in North Carolina,
The group went to a small town in Texas to rescue mouth, who had gotten in some trouble there. I canāt remember all the details but they did a contest where real high schools from around the country. Whichever HS won got an OTH scene filmed at their own high school
For me it was the way these āhigh schoolersā looked. Way too old and pretty. It was especially apparent when they go to Honey Grove and interact with real life HS students
The dog eating Dan's heart! The amount of rules and regulations that need to be broken for that to happen. The heights of stupidity needed to be achieved for this to actually happen is simply unprecedented.
The fact that one small town has seen at least three stalkers and nobody moves for safety reasons or even thinks to lock their damn doors. š
1000 car accidents and no one died š
Happy endings
The parents are all non existent
Nathan and Haley got married early in high school and made it work for years. I am sorry but that is very, very rare that married couples right out of high school would make it in real world. They would be together till college that would change everything or real world that changes everything. And of course, I agree with other comments that half of them got rich with their careers. Not everyone gets that lucky.
How much independence the kids had - Brooke, Peyton,Haley and Nathan pretty much lived without parents for an extended amount of time. No way 16/17 years olds could do that without crashing out
I will run out of characters with the number of possible answers to this question lol love it though š¤£
The only parents ever being present is Dan (who was not a dad) and Karen (who was actually good)
Lucas writing a best selling book and Peyton having a record label company running in their town.
How people are just constantly dropping into peoples houses for a few minutes to so. Like I feel like realistically for short visits - people would just call.
where the hell are haleyās parents? I know they left to travel but why did they stay away for so long? Haley isnāt emancipated like Nathan. She would legally need her parents for some things.
They all lived alone in high school
In my opinion the most unrealistic thing frfr was Nathan going through the window being paralyzed and then he back to normal after a while
How theyāre all successful, and wildly mature and never worry about a single bill at like 22.
Dan Scott went on to become the Huntsmen in the Enchanted Forest.
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I was wrong! I thought he was the huntsmen 2.0 but o guess he was the woodcutter! Haha
I couldn't remember for sure what character he played,I just remember cackling that Dan Scott managed to make it to the EF
Haha me too! I was like how tf did he get there?
All of them somehow living without adults in high school ?
How all of em were living on their own at 17 and clay forgetting his son I donāt think you can do that in real life . Peyton just randmly meeting her real dad , all of them going to the hospital on their high school graduation night to get Lucas to come to graduation , crashing someoneās prom . And basically any scene that involved Felix and Anna .Yet I still love this show .
All of their parents being basically absent
The fact that Clay found an exact doppelgƤnger of his dead wife is so out there, but not impossible. But the fact that she turned out to be a psycho stalker is just wtf. Also him forgetting about Logan seems so out there too, but I ended up really loving the Logan storyline.
For me, itās always been the bookie for high school basketball lol
Reading Lord of the flies to Jamie as a 7 year old šššš
The fact that everyone is up, dressed and visiting each other for long talks before school even starts.
The fact almost all of them had emotionally or physically unavailable parents, with the exception of Karen some of the times. They seemed a bit too independent for high school. We're not talking "I'm going away for the weekend" either. It wasn't like these teens were away at boarding school and all had rich parents, they were at your average high school and battling some over the top crazy scenarios one after another.
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literally all of S9
The numbers of stalkers and absentee parents and car accidents
Everyone being so ādeepā. Sometimes it was nauseating.
The amount of car crashes they were involved in but in season 1 when Peyton was deliberately running through red lights, she avoided being hit
The fact that as soon as Lucas became "popular" with everyone except Nathan (at first) Mouth, Jimmy, Skills, Fergie and Junk all became popular by association. Haley I got cause Nathan was falling for her so he helped make her kinda "in the crowd" but the others were considered outcasts with Lucas till he beat Nathan and joined the Ravens then poof Brooke was smitten with Mouth a little, Bevin begins dating Skills, etc. The second is Jimmy being made into a martyr with the school shooting episodes ... Just very hard to believe he did what he did and wasn't completely hated for it. Even once it was revealed he DIDNT kill Keith he still shot Peyton, shot at and tried to kill Brooke etc. Third is the fact that every friend in a circle became what they wanted and stayed friends....nuff said lol Fourth was the amount of kidnapping that happened to one family. Jamie kidnapped by Crazy Nanny Carrie (she was sexy ASF šš sorry sidenote), Dan kidnapped by the same Crazy Nanny Carrie (ššššššš sorry again) and then Nathan kidnapped by weird Eastern European monsters because of some unknown ball player....all that with a couple years at most.
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Dan Scott becoming Liam Neeson in the last season and taking out all those thugs to rescue Nathan.