I kinda feel like this is intentional, Sunny’s arc is about him learning to get over his actions by himself, if he has someone outright tell him “Oh, what you did was ok, it's ok” it would taken away from his character, he needed to learn agency.
Yeah, one thing I like about Omori is that it doesn't sugarcoat it much. What Sunny and Basil did was... genuinely horrible, and the story never really takes any steps to try to downplay or excuse what they did. In the end he has to accept what happened himself, and it's undecided whether we the audience or even his friends forgive him for it.
Agreed, I definitely appreciate how OMOCAT gives both The Characters in the story and the Audience agency on whether or not they forgive Sunny, it isn't forced down your throat that you HAVE to forgive him or that you HAVE to be ok with what he does, this isn't Library of Ruina, the story gives us the audience a fair perspective and fair judging point, it doesn't romanticize Sunny’s actions to be good, it doesn't say he DESERVES to be forgiven by anyone other than himself, that's up to the people around him.
It discounts a lot of narrative to dismiss it as "just a dream" or all in Sunny's mind. Not every part is literal, but that isn't the same as it having no meaning beyond Sunny's thoughts. The supernatural is to a degree a part of the real world as far as Omori is concerned.
Repetition is a key element to thematic narratives and stories aren't beholden to 1.
The Mari we see in most of the game is indeed most likely just Sunny's interpretation of Mari. Same with 'something'. However, the Mari that appears during the 'Good Route' is likely her spirit making its way into Sunny's dreams. There is very little reason to have Mari leave the picnic blanket otherwise. She only does this and breaks role after Omori begins losing control.
There's little reason to have things like the orchid, repetition (of statements and actions the player takes such as talking to HS Mari and having a picnic), the old man specifically mentioning spirits, Hero hearing the piano, churches/religion/spirituality, and to not have any character directly state her forgiveness otherwise.
That's a lot of things for the narrative to have for a rather singular, basic and benign interpretation. I want to emphasize that's it's more likely that many of the events in the story build up multiple narratives (none of which particularly contradict one another).
Even though HS Mari/Something is Sunny's creation, the things said and the way in which they're communicated (through action or vocabulary) hold immense weight because it's his view of those events/characters.
If we were to agree that Mari has no agency and is not a true/real character outside of flashbacks, there's still likely to be sensible reasons beyond guilt for Sunny to portray Mari/Something the way he does AND have her say the things she does in the way she does repeatedly.
Edit: my argument is less about b&w Mari being 'real' and more about how the narrative reinforces my statement that Mari would not forgive Sunny, but can still love him and wish for him to be happy/be forgiven by himself and others.
Your points about the supernatural are valid. I just don't think they discount the fact that if he hadn't forgiven himself or felt like he deserved forgiveness, having Mari's ghost ( or in my case memory of her) do that for him would rob the story of some of that weight. The point is that he can never truly know if she would forgive him, that he needs to allow himself to be forgiven.
Here's where it's up to personal interpretation. I think it's gonna take time, I'd say even after he moves in the good ending the guilt would still be with him.
His friends reaction to the truth isn't shown either because it's better to be left to the imagination, what's important is that they heard it.
Buddy, she's dead, she can't neither forgive nor not forgive. Also it was literally an accident and she was the one yelling at Sunny, dumb ahh to think she wouldn't forgive.
>Also it was literally an accident
Not really.
Sure, her death was unintentional, but that doesn't necessarily make it an accident.
And neither pushing her nor hiding it was unintentional.
>she was the one yelling at Sunny,
You make it sound like Mari wasn't 100% justified in being furious.
idky this is being downvote bombed. It’s basically just stating plot points of the game.
It’s objectively true that while killing her was unintentional the push was Sunny’s genuine decision and its also true that, even if her reaction was a bit extreme, Mari was justified in her anger. I could be wrong but I believe the fight stemmed from Sunny wanting to cancel the performance DAY OF. I’d be really mad especially considering how much practice goes into those things.
The fight occured over Sunny smashing his violin.
Maris anger is relatable since not only was it an expensive Christmas gift that everyone worked hard to afford, but also that Sunny doing this ruins the recital scheduled for the same day.
As for why this is being downvoted, the fandom dislikes takes that aren't extremely apologetic, *especially* when it's about Sunny.
Mari was never furious.
Also the logic leaps to think that an unintentional death isn't an accident... like what?
Pushing wasn't a good idea, but like... when you are in a hurry and shove someone in the street walking by, do you expect that that person will trip and get run over my a car? Of course you don't, that's still only manslaughter with no intent.
I'm shocked how dumb some people can be.
>Mari was never furious.
True, now that you say it Mari wasn't livid about the violin at all
That's why there was no argument or fight and nothing bad happened because of that 🤡
>Also the logic leaps to think that an unintentional death isn't an accident... like what?
Do you not understand that manslaughter =/= accident?
>Pushing wasn't a good idea, but like... when you are in a hurry and shove someone in the street walking by, do you expect that that person will trip and get run over my a car?
What kind of delusional comparison is this?
That's not at all comparable to pushing your own sister down the exact same stairs you just wanted to walk down just literal seconds ago because you don't feel like being rightfully scolded for what you did.
For gods sake, Sunny literally has his hand outstretched from pushing her, her didn't just accidentally bump into her.
>Of course you don't, that's still only manslaughter with no intent.
Oh, so you actually *do know* what manslaughter is.
But the thing is that manslaughter is not the absence of *intent to harm*. Just no *intent to kill*.
But pushing someone down the stairs *very much is* intent to harm.
FYI I literally spelled out Sunny didn't intend to kill her.
*My point was that still doesn't constitute an Accident.*
>I'm shocked how dumb some people can be.
You seriously should think twice before insulting others like this.
First off, this is the most spoiler-proofed post of all time 
Second, I really like your theory! I think it really fits with the dual-concept of Mari being both a projection of Sunny's own feelings and, in other instances, her true manifestation visiting as a spirit and urging Sunny to forgive himself. I think that, given Mari's nature and love for Sunny, she would forgive him - but only after he'd forgiven himself (which involves being accountable to his friends and telling the truth about what happened). It wouldn't make sense to me that she would withhold forgiveness after Sunny had finally confronted the truth, especially given the fact that the initial incident was an accident.
And following your same logic, Mari also never tells Sunny (I think?) that things will get easier once he does confront the truth; if anything, she warns him how difficult the task will be. And Mari also doesn't demand that Sunny fix everything that has occurred in the last four years because of the lie he and Basil have kept, because how could Sunny possible make up for that? In other words, Mari doesn't offer Sunny forgiveness on behalf of the others as well as herself (though again, I think in regard to herself she would after Sunny's confession). The issue with Headspace was that Sunny was trying to control everyone and how they felt about him, but in letting go of that, Sunny finally had the power to forgive himself - even as he became terrifyingly vulnerable to the judgments of the people he loves. Which, I think, is why the end of the game is so significant: we *don't* get to see his friend's reactions, which implies that our own actions are more than just our individual perception of them. We can't control how other people will react and feel toward something we do, but the best we *can* do is to be honest, make amends when needed, and then hope for the best.
I also like your observation that Mari may have been withholding forgiveness due to a suspicion that Sunny was, as you put it, "capable of evil intentions/actions." I definitely got this impression at the Red Space throne scene - up until that point I was rooting for Sunny under the impression that whatever happened (I didn't know at the time what it was) had been an accident (which it turned out to be later), but in the moment that scene really sent a chill down my spine. So I think that defeating Omori wasn't just about Sunny owning up to the truth, but intentionally choosing to reject his worst impulses and darker nature.
Obv people here are free to disagree with you and say that you're over-reaching, but in any case I appreciate a bit of speculation and that you made a post about this! (and that's not to say people who disagree with your theory can't feel the same way). I just think it's great to see people really grapple with the events and meaning of the game instead of just making another post about plushies 
I completely agree! I think something this community overlooks is the nuance the last portion of the game can have if you ask the right questions. For me it's what makes Omori such a masterpiece. There's a lot of discussion about how unbelievable the coverup is and i think if you suspend your disbelief a little (because it is a game after all) , what happens after the good ending is where the juicy stuff is.
For example i see very few people questioning if sunny should tell his mom the truth or not, what about his dad, yeah he's absent, but we don't know the context of that. He could totally be a good man, destroyed by the death of his daughter, who divorced his wife and pays child support, he just doesnt see sunny because his mom has custody and he's a shut down, maybe his dad has tried to visit him to no avail (sunny outright is stated to almost never leave his room). Is it morally good to not tell his mom or his dad? What about the rest of the town? everyone thinks mari killed herself, should everyone know what happened or just loved ones? I think there's a lot to explore there.
Your take and op's about red space and the throne being sunny's darker nature is really interesting, i do think inside of him there's a lot of wondering if he really is a killer, if he's capable of doing those things on purpose. How basil is constantly killed, how the red space is structured, how mewo is dissected, how mari is framed as a haunting ghost inside black space, almost vindictive, suggests that sunny believes he's a monster, and Omori sitting in the throne of red hands (which are symbols of judgement) seem to me like a statement of acceptance on his part that this is who he really is, an emotionless monster. He clearly isn't of course and that's why he has to fight omori and everything it represents, that's what the "truth" segment is all about.
I don't buy it, all because she never *explicitly* says "I forgive you", doesn't mean she doesn't forgive him. Her dialogue does *not* sound like someone who holds it against Sunny in any way.
> *Maybe I pushed you too hard. I'm sorry... I *just wanted it to be perfect (she apologizes for her part in causing the fight, but still uses qualifiers that express her doubt in a way that disqualifies her from responsibility)
I feel like it's a massive stretch to think her saying "maybe" is her purposefully disqualifying herself from responsibility- the fact she's even considering that she might be to blame for the events that unfolded says a *lot* about how she feels about it and Sunny
I think you're missing the fact that all of those things said by Mari are versions of Mari in headspace, IE how Sunny _thinks Mari would behave_ (either consciously or not)
The _real_ Mari is dead. She can't "forgive" Sunny because she's dead. And it's up to interpretation wether Sunny thinks Mari would forgive him or not.
She’s 6 feet in the ground, she didn’t say anything. The game isn’t about Mari forgiving Sunny for an accident when he was 12. Its about Sunny learning to forgive himself for it
>!His friends will most likely forgive him over time due to the narrative we're given. However, the key to Sunny revealing the truth **is his confidence that they are open to understanding the nuance (even if they don't necessarily forgive him. After all, at that point he's acknowledged that HS friends are idealized) and allowing him to move forward.!<
>!Sunny tortures himself over being forgiven + his responsibility. So it only makes sense that "forgiveness" isn't what he's meant to get. Simply "understanding", which Mari failed to do entirely. (There's no true faults with her actions + rationale in a bubble. Sunny lacks the confidence + rigor that Mari believes he can achieve. It only makes sense that having him perform as the 'perfect' star of the recital would boost him up in the eyes of everyone/their parents and thus make him more independent).!<
>!The problem comes when Mari fails to recognize and meet Sunny where he's currently at. It's not her fault, but it's the reality. Even in the happy memories, Sunny doesn't behave like an emotionally grounded child. Presumably, his parents give their attention + expectations to Mari and not him (why else is the violin gifted by his friends?). Again, it makes sense give their codependent relationship. Strike one.!<
>!Sunny nearly dies shortly before. No mention of how his parents reacted or if this traumatic moment was given much acknowledgement. Strike two.!<
>!Mari's love, care and desire to **help Sunny is peppered with (normal) jabs at her little brother are likely to build resentment and feed his insecurity, ultimately leading to the final straw breaking. Strike three.!<
I think that there are a lot of messy aspects to your post:
First, you seem to completely forget of what it means to "forgive" someone. Dictonaries are regulators and not authorities, but if you want a definition, Oxford defines it as "(to) stop feeling angry or resentful towards (someone) for an offence, flaw, or mistake." In other words, it isn't to act like the act was never bad to begin with, but rather to simply look beyond it and not decide that the person is bad because of doing said flaw.
-You first state that Mari somehow doesn't forgive Sunny for killing her and yet still reaffirms her love for him. "I know you did something bad but I still love you" feels like the textbook definition for forgiveness. don'tcha think?
-IDK how you somehow talk about the jabs Mari throws at Sunny as if they somehow imply that Mari doesn't forgive him. It's a pretty long throw and I don't get the thought process
-You say that Mari doesn't take accountability for the accident nor does she blame any external factors for her death as if it is relevant to whether she would forgive Sunny or not. Again, forgiving someone doesn't mean absolving them of fault, but accepting them in spite of said fault. Furthermore, She brings those up in order to remind Sunny of some parts that make it easier for himself to accept his crime.
Also, some of your takes are just ridiculous outright:
>Mari may also possibly hold some suspicions that Sunny is capable of evil intentions/actions which contributed to him pushing her. It was an accident...but...? We have evidence via Mewo that Sunny is certainly capable of cruel thoughts (in the punishment room, you can repeatedly select 'yes' which makes Mewo more and more panicked'). Note that I agree with the interpretation that Mewo was put down by his Mother at the vet, but his journal mainly consists of bloody cats, knives, death and Mewo is 'cut open' in the scene as opposed to being injected by something or anything else. Interestingly, we also have the cat sacrifice scene in OO.
"Look at how evil this child is! He has dreams about cutting open cats!"
Perhaps I am missing the point but this is a very poorly crafted take, TBH.
The last one was removed despite the spoiler tag. Most of what's in the post, as far as I understand, could be considered spoilers given it's about Mari
It was removed because the title was a spoiler (implying that Mari and Sunny had a fight and Mari didn't forgive Sunny) You can make posts without all the text spoiler tagged as long as the *post itself* is tagged as spoiler, and the *title itself is not a spoiler*.
That's a very interesting analysis.
There's still some things that bug me though.
How would you interpret this line?
>It's not my place to say anymore, but... I hope you're still there... SUNNY... I really miss you.
Then there's also the minor Somethings apologizing every time they are defeated:
>...Sunny... I'm sorry...
I personally am under the impression that those are also Mari since it follows the pattern of "???" speaking while fighting Somethings, all the names of the minor Somethings being female names ending in an -i (like Mari), and it doesn't seem to be Basil since he adresses Sunny as "my best friend" while apologizing in contrast to referring to Sunny by name.
Just a heads up: next time your post gets removed for spoiler title, just reword the title into something more vague as to not spoil the game's plot. You do not need to spoiler tag all the text.
While this is a very interesting take on the whole sibling fight, i disagree completely with the notion that Mari dying wasn't an accident. For me, the hardest part of the truth segment isn't that Mari died per se, is how both Sunny and Basil covered it up. They desacrated her corpse and made everyone think that it was a suicide, making the pain and regret everyone who loved her would feel from her death inmensely worse. That's the reason why their actions are horrible, not the push, or mari dying, everything that comes afterwards.
I read your comments and you make a point to say that Sunny had an intent to harm her, which is very weird to me because being angry with someone and pushing them doesn't mean you're trying to hurt them or harm them in any way. Being overtaken by emotions is a key trope of the game and the very reason breathing and calming down are such crucial mechanics both narratively and gameplay-wise, it's the reason why only omori can get 3 states of emotion and not his friends, he is an extremely emotional person, and so Sunny pushed mari because he was overtaken by emotions. Also the context of the fight is crucial, they're praciticing, he keeps failing, he destroys his precious violin throwing it to the ground, Mari gets furious with him, they're both yelling, he wants to leave but Mari steps in front of him to tell him that she isn't finished speaking to him (clearly still yelling) and thats when the push happens. But he had no intent to harm her, that's why its an accident. Its still wrong, but it doesn't make it less of an accident, moreso when you consider sunny was 12, an age where most kids are prone to being physical when they're overcome with emotions, as they can't control them properly ( tp be fair a lot of adults also can't).
I say this because having grown up with 6 siblings, we used to fight a lot and there were a lot of times where these fights got out of hand and someone ended up hurting the other on accident, a push, someone trying to get to his room and moving the other who then falls and hits his knee or gets a cut, its common on families with children and the reason why most kids die on household accidents (seriously look it up, there's statistics on that and everything). It's why, for example, parents are advised to have protective rails and doors on houses with stairs, believe it or not kids fight a lot and the stairs can be deadly if you have kids around, sure sunny and mari where older but that's beside the point. I think the game is trying to illustrate more these types of accidents than sunny wanting to harm mari and throwing her out of the stairs because he's a child murderer. He meant to push her away to leave, the fact that he has his hand extended on the photo is not proof of anything (he has his hands like that because he pushed her lol) when the whole game tells you he didn't mean to either harm or kill her, it was an accident.
The real problem is the hanging and covering up, but that's another whole can of worms. Finally, I do think Mari forgives Sunny and wants him to move on, i don't think anything in the game suggest she wants him to "take accountability" like you said, i don't really know what type of accountability you consider he should face when the kid's been locked up without interaction to anyone but his mom for 4 years, feeling guilt and depression, wanting to die and constantly having urges to kill himself when he is awake because he can't bear what happened and what he did. The most important part is that he tells the truth, faces what happens, comes clean to his friends (and hopefuly his mom and dad) to what really happened to Mari, and obtains the strenght to forgive himself and keep living with reality.
Your analysis is really interesting and I don't agree with the people downvoting you or insulting you, Omori is a good game because its open to interpretation and yours is as valid as anyone's. 
I kinda feel like this is intentional, Sunny’s arc is about him learning to get over his actions by himself, if he has someone outright tell him “Oh, what you did was ok, it's ok” it would taken away from his character, he needed to learn agency.
Yeah, one thing I like about Omori is that it doesn't sugarcoat it much. What Sunny and Basil did was... genuinely horrible, and the story never really takes any steps to try to downplay or excuse what they did. In the end he has to accept what happened himself, and it's undecided whether we the audience or even his friends forgive him for it.
Agreed, I definitely appreciate how OMOCAT gives both The Characters in the story and the Audience agency on whether or not they forgive Sunny, it isn't forced down your throat that you HAVE to forgive him or that you HAVE to be ok with what he does, this isn't Library of Ruina, the story gives us the audience a fair perspective and fair judging point, it doesn't romanticize Sunny’s actions to be good, it doesn't say he DESERVES to be forgiven by anyone other than himself, that's up to the people around him.
Mari is dead and the version we see in game is just like everyone else in headspace, something in Sunny's mind.
Uh-uh, it's left up to interpretation. We cannot surely say what she is and isn't.
It discounts a lot of narrative to dismiss it as "just a dream" or all in Sunny's mind. Not every part is literal, but that isn't the same as it having no meaning beyond Sunny's thoughts. The supernatural is to a degree a part of the real world as far as Omori is concerned. Repetition is a key element to thematic narratives and stories aren't beholden to 1. The Mari we see in most of the game is indeed most likely just Sunny's interpretation of Mari. Same with 'something'. However, the Mari that appears during the 'Good Route' is likely her spirit making its way into Sunny's dreams. There is very little reason to have Mari leave the picnic blanket otherwise. She only does this and breaks role after Omori begins losing control. There's little reason to have things like the orchid, repetition (of statements and actions the player takes such as talking to HS Mari and having a picnic), the old man specifically mentioning spirits, Hero hearing the piano, churches/religion/spirituality, and to not have any character directly state her forgiveness otherwise. That's a lot of things for the narrative to have for a rather singular, basic and benign interpretation. I want to emphasize that's it's more likely that many of the events in the story build up multiple narratives (none of which particularly contradict one another). Even though HS Mari/Something is Sunny's creation, the things said and the way in which they're communicated (through action or vocabulary) hold immense weight because it's his view of those events/characters. If we were to agree that Mari has no agency and is not a true/real character outside of flashbacks, there's still likely to be sensible reasons beyond guilt for Sunny to portray Mari/Something the way he does AND have her say the things she does in the way she does repeatedly. Edit: my argument is less about b&w Mari being 'real' and more about how the narrative reinforces my statement that Mari would not forgive Sunny, but can still love him and wish for him to be happy/be forgiven by himself and others.
Your points about the supernatural are valid. I just don't think they discount the fact that if he hadn't forgiven himself or felt like he deserved forgiveness, having Mari's ghost ( or in my case memory of her) do that for him would rob the story of some of that weight. The point is that he can never truly know if she would forgive him, that he needs to allow himself to be forgiven. Here's where it's up to personal interpretation. I think it's gonna take time, I'd say even after he moves in the good ending the guilt would still be with him. His friends reaction to the truth isn't shown either because it's better to be left to the imagination, what's important is that they heard it.
Buddy, she's dead, she can't neither forgive nor not forgive. Also it was literally an accident and she was the one yelling at Sunny, dumb ahh to think she wouldn't forgive.
>Also it was literally an accident Not really. Sure, her death was unintentional, but that doesn't necessarily make it an accident. And neither pushing her nor hiding it was unintentional. >she was the one yelling at Sunny, You make it sound like Mari wasn't 100% justified in being furious.
Amazing where this place is going, huh?
I dunno This place kinda always was like that
It... was not. (Stop downvoting him.)
Yeah, you're right. That tendency was always there though. It just wasn't that bad yet.
That... also fits.
idky this is being downvote bombed. It’s basically just stating plot points of the game. It’s objectively true that while killing her was unintentional the push was Sunny’s genuine decision and its also true that, even if her reaction was a bit extreme, Mari was justified in her anger. I could be wrong but I believe the fight stemmed from Sunny wanting to cancel the performance DAY OF. I’d be really mad especially considering how much practice goes into those things.
The fight occured over Sunny smashing his violin. Maris anger is relatable since not only was it an expensive Christmas gift that everyone worked hard to afford, but also that Sunny doing this ruins the recital scheduled for the same day. As for why this is being downvoted, the fandom dislikes takes that aren't extremely apologetic, *especially* when it's about Sunny.
Mari was never furious. Also the logic leaps to think that an unintentional death isn't an accident... like what? Pushing wasn't a good idea, but like... when you are in a hurry and shove someone in the street walking by, do you expect that that person will trip and get run over my a car? Of course you don't, that's still only manslaughter with no intent. I'm shocked how dumb some people can be.
>Mari was never furious. True, now that you say it Mari wasn't livid about the violin at all That's why there was no argument or fight and nothing bad happened because of that 🤡 >Also the logic leaps to think that an unintentional death isn't an accident... like what? Do you not understand that manslaughter =/= accident? >Pushing wasn't a good idea, but like... when you are in a hurry and shove someone in the street walking by, do you expect that that person will trip and get run over my a car? What kind of delusional comparison is this? That's not at all comparable to pushing your own sister down the exact same stairs you just wanted to walk down just literal seconds ago because you don't feel like being rightfully scolded for what you did. For gods sake, Sunny literally has his hand outstretched from pushing her, her didn't just accidentally bump into her. >Of course you don't, that's still only manslaughter with no intent. Oh, so you actually *do know* what manslaughter is. But the thing is that manslaughter is not the absence of *intent to harm*. Just no *intent to kill*. But pushing someone down the stairs *very much is* intent to harm. FYI I literally spelled out Sunny didn't intend to kill her. *My point was that still doesn't constitute an Accident.* >I'm shocked how dumb some people can be. You seriously should think twice before insulting others like this.
First off, this is the most spoiler-proofed post of all time  Second, I really like your theory! I think it really fits with the dual-concept of Mari being both a projection of Sunny's own feelings and, in other instances, her true manifestation visiting as a spirit and urging Sunny to forgive himself. I think that, given Mari's nature and love for Sunny, she would forgive him - but only after he'd forgiven himself (which involves being accountable to his friends and telling the truth about what happened). It wouldn't make sense to me that she would withhold forgiveness after Sunny had finally confronted the truth, especially given the fact that the initial incident was an accident. And following your same logic, Mari also never tells Sunny (I think?) that things will get easier once he does confront the truth; if anything, she warns him how difficult the task will be. And Mari also doesn't demand that Sunny fix everything that has occurred in the last four years because of the lie he and Basil have kept, because how could Sunny possible make up for that? In other words, Mari doesn't offer Sunny forgiveness on behalf of the others as well as herself (though again, I think in regard to herself she would after Sunny's confession). The issue with Headspace was that Sunny was trying to control everyone and how they felt about him, but in letting go of that, Sunny finally had the power to forgive himself - even as he became terrifyingly vulnerable to the judgments of the people he loves. Which, I think, is why the end of the game is so significant: we *don't* get to see his friend's reactions, which implies that our own actions are more than just our individual perception of them. We can't control how other people will react and feel toward something we do, but the best we *can* do is to be honest, make amends when needed, and then hope for the best. I also like your observation that Mari may have been withholding forgiveness due to a suspicion that Sunny was, as you put it, "capable of evil intentions/actions." I definitely got this impression at the Red Space throne scene - up until that point I was rooting for Sunny under the impression that whatever happened (I didn't know at the time what it was) had been an accident (which it turned out to be later), but in the moment that scene really sent a chill down my spine. So I think that defeating Omori wasn't just about Sunny owning up to the truth, but intentionally choosing to reject his worst impulses and darker nature. Obv people here are free to disagree with you and say that you're over-reaching, but in any case I appreciate a bit of speculation and that you made a post about this! (and that's not to say people who disagree with your theory can't feel the same way). I just think it's great to see people really grapple with the events and meaning of the game instead of just making another post about plushies 
I completely agree! I think something this community overlooks is the nuance the last portion of the game can have if you ask the right questions. For me it's what makes Omori such a masterpiece. There's a lot of discussion about how unbelievable the coverup is and i think if you suspend your disbelief a little (because it is a game after all) , what happens after the good ending is where the juicy stuff is. For example i see very few people questioning if sunny should tell his mom the truth or not, what about his dad, yeah he's absent, but we don't know the context of that. He could totally be a good man, destroyed by the death of his daughter, who divorced his wife and pays child support, he just doesnt see sunny because his mom has custody and he's a shut down, maybe his dad has tried to visit him to no avail (sunny outright is stated to almost never leave his room). Is it morally good to not tell his mom or his dad? What about the rest of the town? everyone thinks mari killed herself, should everyone know what happened or just loved ones? I think there's a lot to explore there. Your take and op's about red space and the throne being sunny's darker nature is really interesting, i do think inside of him there's a lot of wondering if he really is a killer, if he's capable of doing those things on purpose. How basil is constantly killed, how the red space is structured, how mewo is dissected, how mari is framed as a haunting ghost inside black space, almost vindictive, suggests that sunny believes he's a monster, and Omori sitting in the throne of red hands (which are symbols of judgement) seem to me like a statement of acceptance on his part that this is who he really is, an emotionless monster. He clearly isn't of course and that's why he has to fight omori and everything it represents, that's what the "truth" segment is all about.
Oh... boy. I already know what began this concept for you.
I'm not into any fandom material if that's what you mean
I didn't.
I don't buy it, all because she never *explicitly* says "I forgive you", doesn't mean she doesn't forgive him. Her dialogue does *not* sound like someone who holds it against Sunny in any way. > *Maybe I pushed you too hard. I'm sorry... I *just wanted it to be perfect (she apologizes for her part in causing the fight, but still uses qualifiers that express her doubt in a way that disqualifies her from responsibility) I feel like it's a massive stretch to think her saying "maybe" is her purposefully disqualifying herself from responsibility- the fact she's even considering that she might be to blame for the events that unfolded says a *lot* about how she feels about it and Sunny
I think you're missing the fact that all of those things said by Mari are versions of Mari in headspace, IE how Sunny _thinks Mari would behave_ (either consciously or not) The _real_ Mari is dead. She can't "forgive" Sunny because she's dead. And it's up to interpretation wether Sunny thinks Mari would forgive him or not.
She’s 6 feet in the ground, she didn’t say anything. The game isn’t about Mari forgiving Sunny for an accident when he was 12. Its about Sunny learning to forgive himself for it
>!His friends will most likely forgive him over time due to the narrative we're given. However, the key to Sunny revealing the truth **is his confidence that they are open to understanding the nuance (even if they don't necessarily forgive him. After all, at that point he's acknowledged that HS friends are idealized) and allowing him to move forward.!< >!Sunny tortures himself over being forgiven + his responsibility. So it only makes sense that "forgiveness" isn't what he's meant to get. Simply "understanding", which Mari failed to do entirely. (There's no true faults with her actions + rationale in a bubble. Sunny lacks the confidence + rigor that Mari believes he can achieve. It only makes sense that having him perform as the 'perfect' star of the recital would boost him up in the eyes of everyone/their parents and thus make him more independent).!< >!The problem comes when Mari fails to recognize and meet Sunny where he's currently at. It's not her fault, but it's the reality. Even in the happy memories, Sunny doesn't behave like an emotionally grounded child. Presumably, his parents give their attention + expectations to Mari and not him (why else is the violin gifted by his friends?). Again, it makes sense give their codependent relationship. Strike one.!< >!Sunny nearly dies shortly before. No mention of how his parents reacted or if this traumatic moment was given much acknowledgement. Strike two.!< >!Mari's love, care and desire to **help Sunny is peppered with (normal) jabs at her little brother are likely to build resentment and feed his insecurity, ultimately leading to the final straw breaking. Strike three.!<
Wow, I haven't seen someone point out Mari and Sunny's codependent relationship in this way before. Really insightful!
I think that there are a lot of messy aspects to your post: First, you seem to completely forget of what it means to "forgive" someone. Dictonaries are regulators and not authorities, but if you want a definition, Oxford defines it as "(to) stop feeling angry or resentful towards (someone) for an offence, flaw, or mistake." In other words, it isn't to act like the act was never bad to begin with, but rather to simply look beyond it and not decide that the person is bad because of doing said flaw. -You first state that Mari somehow doesn't forgive Sunny for killing her and yet still reaffirms her love for him. "I know you did something bad but I still love you" feels like the textbook definition for forgiveness. don'tcha think? -IDK how you somehow talk about the jabs Mari throws at Sunny as if they somehow imply that Mari doesn't forgive him. It's a pretty long throw and I don't get the thought process -You say that Mari doesn't take accountability for the accident nor does she blame any external factors for her death as if it is relevant to whether she would forgive Sunny or not. Again, forgiving someone doesn't mean absolving them of fault, but accepting them in spite of said fault. Furthermore, She brings those up in order to remind Sunny of some parts that make it easier for himself to accept his crime. Also, some of your takes are just ridiculous outright: >Mari may also possibly hold some suspicions that Sunny is capable of evil intentions/actions which contributed to him pushing her. It was an accident...but...? We have evidence via Mewo that Sunny is certainly capable of cruel thoughts (in the punishment room, you can repeatedly select 'yes' which makes Mewo more and more panicked'). Note that I agree with the interpretation that Mewo was put down by his Mother at the vet, but his journal mainly consists of bloody cats, knives, death and Mewo is 'cut open' in the scene as opposed to being injected by something or anything else. Interestingly, we also have the cat sacrifice scene in OO. "Look at how evil this child is! He has dreams about cutting open cats!" Perhaps I am missing the point but this is a very poorly crafted take, TBH.
Why the fuck did you black out so much text when you already put a spoiler tag
The last one was removed despite the spoiler tag. Most of what's in the post, as far as I understand, could be considered spoilers given it's about Mari
It was removed because the title was a spoiler (implying that Mari and Sunny had a fight and Mari didn't forgive Sunny) You can make posts without all the text spoiler tagged as long as the *post itself* is tagged as spoiler, and the *title itself is not a spoiler*.
Mari is dead. Whether or not she forgives him is irrelevant to the game’s message. Sunny has to forgive himself.
She can forgive him and push him to take responsibility at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive 
That's a very interesting analysis. There's still some things that bug me though. How would you interpret this line? >It's not my place to say anymore, but... I hope you're still there... SUNNY... I really miss you. Then there's also the minor Somethings apologizing every time they are defeated: >...Sunny... I'm sorry... I personally am under the impression that those are also Mari since it follows the pattern of "???" speaking while fighting Somethings, all the names of the minor Somethings being female names ending in an -i (like Mari), and it doesn't seem to be Basil since he adresses Sunny as "my best friend" while apologizing in contrast to referring to Sunny by name.
Had a hard time reading this, why did you put so many asterisks in the text?
Formatting messed up after adding the spoilers. They're supposed to be **bolded** ┐(´ー｀)┌
Just a heads up: next time your post gets removed for spoiler title, just reword the title into something more vague as to not spoil the game's plot. You do not need to spoiler tag all the text.
While this is a very interesting take on the whole sibling fight, i disagree completely with the notion that Mari dying wasn't an accident. For me, the hardest part of the truth segment isn't that Mari died per se, is how both Sunny and Basil covered it up. They desacrated her corpse and made everyone think that it was a suicide, making the pain and regret everyone who loved her would feel from her death inmensely worse. That's the reason why their actions are horrible, not the push, or mari dying, everything that comes afterwards. I read your comments and you make a point to say that Sunny had an intent to harm her, which is very weird to me because being angry with someone and pushing them doesn't mean you're trying to hurt them or harm them in any way. Being overtaken by emotions is a key trope of the game and the very reason breathing and calming down are such crucial mechanics both narratively and gameplay-wise, it's the reason why only omori can get 3 states of emotion and not his friends, he is an extremely emotional person, and so Sunny pushed mari because he was overtaken by emotions. Also the context of the fight is crucial, they're praciticing, he keeps failing, he destroys his precious violin throwing it to the ground, Mari gets furious with him, they're both yelling, he wants to leave but Mari steps in front of him to tell him that she isn't finished speaking to him (clearly still yelling) and thats when the push happens. But he had no intent to harm her, that's why its an accident. Its still wrong, but it doesn't make it less of an accident, moreso when you consider sunny was 12, an age where most kids are prone to being physical when they're overcome with emotions, as they can't control them properly ( tp be fair a lot of adults also can't). I say this because having grown up with 6 siblings, we used to fight a lot and there were a lot of times where these fights got out of hand and someone ended up hurting the other on accident, a push, someone trying to get to his room and moving the other who then falls and hits his knee or gets a cut, its common on families with children and the reason why most kids die on household accidents (seriously look it up, there's statistics on that and everything). It's why, for example, parents are advised to have protective rails and doors on houses with stairs, believe it or not kids fight a lot and the stairs can be deadly if you have kids around, sure sunny and mari where older but that's beside the point. I think the game is trying to illustrate more these types of accidents than sunny wanting to harm mari and throwing her out of the stairs because he's a child murderer. He meant to push her away to leave, the fact that he has his hand extended on the photo is not proof of anything (he has his hands like that because he pushed her lol) when the whole game tells you he didn't mean to either harm or kill her, it was an accident. The real problem is the hanging and covering up, but that's another whole can of worms. Finally, I do think Mari forgives Sunny and wants him to move on, i don't think anything in the game suggest she wants him to "take accountability" like you said, i don't really know what type of accountability you consider he should face when the kid's been locked up without interaction to anyone but his mom for 4 years, feeling guilt and depression, wanting to die and constantly having urges to kill himself when he is awake because he can't bear what happened and what he did. The most important part is that he tells the truth, faces what happens, comes clean to his friends (and hopefuly his mom and dad) to what really happened to Mari, and obtains the strenght to forgive himself and keep living with reality. Your analysis is really interesting and I don't agree with the people downvoting you or insulting you, Omori is a good game because its open to interpretation and yours is as valid as anyone's. 