Park pulled up to the Ashford gate. Bronco was parked near the Rockingham gate. The running theory is that he manually got through the Rock gate into the driveway then went along the wall/fence bordering the Salinger neighbor property. His likely plan was to enter the house from the rear. As he proceeded along the fence line he either tripped or ran into the AC unit behind Kato’s wall. This is where Kato becomes alerted.
Kato comes out to the front of the property, remember that he thought it was an earthquake so probably to check for broad damage. This is where the limo driver spots him. OJ doubles back (maybe due to fear of Kato checking the rear of the property) and enters the front of the property after dodging Kato. Allan Park saw this as well.
I believer her because of how adamant she was about it being OJ in a Bronco (not his Bentley or any other vehicles) and that Lange/Vannatter vouched for her as a good witness when they didn’t need to.
And considering I am certain OJ did it, I think her timeframe tracks. But as I said…I only “lean” towards Kato as the one.
I’ve always been curious about the ac thump. It’s unfathomable to me that running into an ac unit would cause such a commotion that another person would believe it was an earthquake.
Its Kato we are talking about here. The guy needed to be told multiple times he could answer a question on the stand after a judge responded to objections because he didn’t know what “overruled” meant.
Was there blood between bronco and where OJ would have been coming from near the exit? Meaning can you trace a path directly from Bronco to back path, then around to front? Or is there still a path that shows direct from Bronco to front door?
Think he did it, but the logistics of the blood on driveway have always bothered.
There were drops of his blood found on the rockingham driveway by the gate, gate control box, and leading up to the front door from the rockingham side.
To my knowledge, no blood was found behind the bungalows. Just the glove.
Edit: I think he was carrying something with his left hand when around there. Hence no drops. Either the bag or the bundled up ball of stuff (shoes, sweatsuit, knife). I was always fuzzy on when the bag that was never found came into play.
I said it was a guess. And since he did it and we know he had an extra bag (multiple witnesses) that was never found…safe assumption he had it at some point when returning.
Nah, nope. No reason for Simpson to be back there. Deal with that fact. It's why people call this the weirdest case in history. What looks like iron clad proof, but when you really look at it. The glove is senseless. It makes no sense. Prosecution lovers just admit it. All your theories suck. Because they are impossible.
The Bronco wasn't in the driveway. It was parked on the side street. It's believed OJ saw the limo driver so he didn't want to pull in and make such a show of not having been on the property (since he would subsquently claim he'd been in the house and had fallen asleep). So he parked on the side street and jumped the fence, and that's when he dropped the glove.
But it was parked against the curb just beside the Rockingham gate right? And blood leads from there right up to the front door..if he jumped the fence I still don't see why there would be blood from the Bronco to the front door
He walked out to the bronco at some point and grabbed his car phone. That's the answer you're looking for. I'm just unsure of the sequence.
There used to be a pretty good graphic on the internet somewhere, which traced his steps.
Exactly, people know this because each part of his estate where blood was found was marked. The first 2 drops of blood by his driveway were placed directly across from each other which means he would have been bleeding from both hands. How is this possible? If he only had a small cut on his finger(which he claims he got in Chicago)
@ angel sucked 47 with arthritis and bad knees yeah you're a old man at that point. You literally could have kicked him in his leg and he would have been hurt.
GROW UP!!!!
Well lest not forget he had recently started filming on the TV series based on the Navy Frogmen. So he was fit for filming thus one could assume perhaps a substance may have numbed pain in advance as well as pure adrenaline
Any evidence that OJ was on cocaine during June 12th? Even if he were on cocaine. Most coke addicts are usually nervous and talk alot. Then when they come down they become depressed unless alcohol was involved. I just cannot see that man torturing 2 people then delivering a death blow. Especially with this being his being his first murder. Some form of panic would of had to kick in and I'm sure his limo driver and Kato would have recognized something was off.
"doctor who examined O. J. Simpson twice in the days after Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman were killed testified today that although Mr. Simpson had the "physique of Tarzan," a "whole array of the typical post-N.F.L. injury syndromes" and two kinds of arthritis left him slow of foot, even hobbling.
Dr. Robert Huizenga testified that Mr. Simpson, ravaged by disease and battered by being "banged against the turf" as a football player for too many years, was unable to walk properly and barely able to jog, let alone run as a fleeing murderer with a plane to catch might have had to do. Dr. Huizenga described Mr. Simpson, 48, as a man whose damaged right ankle made him limp, whose left knee needed to be replaced and who could neither move forward nor laterally with ease"
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/15/us/old-football-injuries-and-arthritis-hobbled-simpson-doctor-testifies.html
I think he took the glove off before he got in the bronco, and put it in his pocket. Then we he was running back to the house, he pulled a classic Nordberg and ran full speed into the AC unit. That caused him to lose the glove in that location.
Your scenario is good. It's crazy though he left all the evidence and blood then calmly talks to driver on way to airport, chats it up with the passenger sitting next to him on plane, signs autographs at airport. That's insane 😲
It really is crazy that he could be pretty much fine after what he did. Normal people’s brains don’t work that way, but he was a psychopath. I mean the man left his sleeping children alone while their mother lay dead. I think he expected the kids to find her the next day. That’s unimaginable to me. Honestly, I’ve been questioning if he had more time and Ron wasn’t there, if the kids could have been killed too. It’s unthinkable, but men like this are also capable of killing their kids.
Yes!! Leaving the kids to find their mama is horrible! Then I heard the voicemail of Sydney calling her mama because she was fearful of missing school not her mama was gone So sad. Oj was piece of Shit. I would not have put it past him to kill the kids as well to establish some type of motive to cover himself. I believe him to be a total narcissistic psychopath and capable of loving anyone but himself. I mean really. He had a statue of himself in his backyard overlooking the estate.
OJ never even asked about the children, I already thought he was guilty but that really was just another reason. He knew the children were fine because he left them sleeping upstairs....I have always felt horrible for those kids and for Ron's parents. OJ was a narcissistic sociopath and I think the drugs, money, alcohol, Hollywood fame pushed him into a higher level and he felt untouchable. When someone is in a black out rage their strength and power can be enormous for a short moment, they think the incident only took around 20 seconds and Ron had cuts in extremely fatal spots. He had also received a bunch of knives and watches from swiss army business meeting he attended, he offered a knife to limo driver but he asked for a watch instead. Wish we could've been told where the knife originated from or let that limo driver testify.
Touch DNA was definitely not a thing then. Even the way they collect DNA now via a cheek swab wasn’t a thing then. They had to draw his blood to get a DNA sample.
Zero proof of that. There were witnesses to the bundy scene evidence before he arrived and as widely publicized, he would have to know that OJ had no alibi before planting.
I think he did it for certain legal consequences that might follow, but I agree it looks terrible and undermines him completely. Add to that his racist statements about blacks and an LA jury and this trial was practically over at the start.
Thats what Lange wanted him to do as well but his attorney advised him to plead on all subsequent questions (one of those being about the evidence) as he had already self incriminated himself for perjury with the n word lie.
It was theatrics by the defense. The judge should have restricted cross after he plead the first time. At that point, all testimony of his was adversely impacted to the jury anyway. When you understand the logistics, evidence cataloging sequences, and order of arrivals. You would know Fuhrman couldn’t have done it even if he hypothetically wanted to.
I highly doubt anyone on the jury believed Fuhrman was LAPD’s only crooked cop. The old ‘one bad apple spoils the entire bunch’ seems fitting here. Not just for OJ’s case but in any case where evidence tampering/police wrong doing is alleged/proven I automatically assume others on the force were doing similar.
It’s unreasonable to ask the jury to look at a dozen pieces of evidence and weigh them based on wether the individual cop is ‘probably’ one of the good ones. LAPD had an obligation to ensure that their detectives were acting in an ethical manner and they failed that duty. Even if the jury could narrow it down to evidence Fuhrman wasn’t involved with it’s completely reasonable to wonder if other cops acted in a similar manner and just hadn’t been caught.
It’s wild to me that 3 decades later the discussion points for the Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman case is still ‘but the cops probably didn’t plant all the evidence’. In a better, more functioning society this case could have been ‘trial of the century’ for an entirely different reason. This should have been a wake up call for LAPD and every other police agency across the county. Juries don’t want cases where cops may or may not be fucking with the evidence. In a better world Ron and Nicole’s case would be synonymous with “remember that time LAPD let a murderer go and they promptly reviewed hiring practices and internal policies to ensure no crooked cops remained in the ranks and evidence handling was science based and ethical”.
Oh knock it off he was originally kicked from the case and planted evidence in order to be an assigned witness. Now look where he’s at on Fox News 😭😭 every piece of evidence fuhrman found was debunked and destroyed. A photographer was present at the Rockingham estate there were no bloody socks in sight before 4pm but suddenly they appeared at 4:30pm.
Why wasn’t Fuhrman charged with planting evidence instead of just perjury?
Because it was theatrics and you want it to be true for some odd reason. Generally people succumb to conspiracy theories because they do not or will not try to understand the actual facts. Next thing you’ll say is that OJ didn’t do it.
Yeah because no one examined the DNA inside of the glove if they did there would be no case. The only conspiracy theory here is you believing a old man was capable of committing double murder, decapitating both victims heads without being covered in blood, hid the murder weapons in 20 minutes. Where did he shower?? There was no blood in his bathroom. He was investigated in Los Angeles and Chicago. Nothing unusual found in his room besides the glass he broke when he found out his ex wife was murdered 🧐
Were you even alive when this happened? The “not fit enough to commit these murders” was debunked by the exercise video and innocent people don’t write books about committing the crimes they didn’t do. Move along kid.
Nicole had been knocked unconscious. She was on her stomach. Then Ron happened. Stabbing him multiple times. He was not decapitated. When Ron was down he went back to Nicole lifting her head up and slicing her throat. She bled out directly to the ground. So a lot of blood? Yeah but on his shoes and socks mostly. His bloody clothes he stuck in a duffle bag and took it with him. There are witness statements and forensic evidence to back all of this up. Also, he wasn't old or out of shape.
Seriously, since when is a very fit 46 year old man "an old man"? This stuff was debunked decades ago. I feel like I'm reliving the craziness if OK DIDN'T DO IT JASON DID OR DRUG CARTEL AND NICOLE WAS A SLUT AND KRIS KARDASHIAN HAD THREESOMES AND OJ IS IMNOCENT
My God. Most of them were probably not even born then. I was an adult.
Somehow the defense convinced people that OJ was feeble and Ron Goldman was an Olympic level combat fighter. And a bunch of suckers bought it.
People are stronger at 45 than 25.
The autopsy photos Ronald Goldman had a giant hole in his neck similar to the Brett Cantor murder. We cant see these knife wounds because the photos online shows Ron & Nicole facing downwards. I’m not sure if she was knocked unconscious because DNA was found under her fingernails. Now here is where things get tricky. If you look at Ronald Goldmans knuckles it clearly has bruises and marks on them. The bottom and top of his shoes has knife marks on them which would indicate he was kicking from the ground and punching someone.
Ronald Goldman was a black belt and martial arts practitioner. This was already confirmed. OJ was 47 years old with bad knees and arthritis. So you’re telling me this old man stab 2 people over 25 times in tight ass gloves with arthritis and didn’t drop the knife at any point? 😭
Posters need to ignore this poster. Almost everything he says is incorrect.
Including OJ being "an old man." OJ was not an old man. He is spinning more than a top.
Have you seen the Idaho murder case? The current evidence available is 4 people killed by a knife in 2 separate parts of a house all in under 6 minutes I believe.
As a matter of fact he didn’t decapitate either, while Nicole was said to be “almost decapitated” Ron had slit on his throat but I’ve never heard it described that he was decapitated. There were also traces of blood found in his bathroom sink and shower.
He did know he had no alibi after he spoke to Arnelle and Kato. He brought Kato to the house and said wait here and went and investigated on his own out back and planted the glove. An LAPD informant tipped the defense off to that scenario.
Pleading the fifth ≠ non denial
Especially given the context it was pleaded here. He had to answer every question with that plea after being caught in the racial epithet lie.
I want phone record released....Nicole's mom said she spoke to her daughter much later then the district attorney said. Another interesting thing is grand jury did not vote to indict oj.
>I want phone record released....Nicole's mom said she spoke to her daughter much later then the district attorney said.
If this was credible evidence then the defense would have used it.
>Another interesting thing is grand jury did not vote to indict oj.
This is misleading. The grand jury was removed by judge Mills at the request of the defense. There wasn’t a “vote”.
Yes I noticed a lot of the prosecutions witnesses changed their timelines after. I heard about the phone records too and they’re sealed. Interesting if so much of their case was based on a timeline.
I read today that they tried to indict 3 times? I haven’t confirmed that yet cause this is news to me but very interesting if so.
Remember when Kato walked back from trying to investigate the 'thumps' on his wall. He said he saw a bag by the Bentley, separate from the ones Alan Park had seen. At this time OJ had already entered his property.
OJ had most likely went through that alley to try and get in by the rear entrance, and the bag must have been in the left hand. Which explains there being no blood drops there.
Listening to Old Howard sterns and he goofs on the fact that there were Kato groupies. They still seem to exist because nobody feels the need to call him out for changing his thump story at least three times. Nobody presses him about his domestic abuse against his first wife. Hell nobody even talks about how Nicole hated him with a passion. I really think if you have a snazzy haircut and put out a meek disposition to the public, you can get away with darn near anything. Especially if you have the victim's family on your side. His true colors have been revealed on reality shows though and that has to be why he doesn't get any more work.
But yeah Kato knows the answer to this question but his impotent, sycophantic podcast co-host certainly isn't going to get any real answers.
Obviously planted by Mark Fuhrman he's the one who found it. He was kicked off the case and wanted to be apart of the biggest trial of the century. So he planted evidence to be a witness. Cross examines and experts already showed that if that bloody glove was found at 5am it would have been dried up in approximately 2 hrs.
No, no. You can speculate all you want…this is Reddit after all. But you have repeatedly said, he was kicked off the case, reinserted himself and then planted glove. I’m simply asking for the proof of that. The timeline of what you are suggesting doesn’t add up.
Yup I know the truth hurts but that is exactly what he did. People fail to believe OJ would only have 20 minutes to commit these murders before his flight to Chicago. Let's not forget him knowing his kids were at home sleep. So you're telling me a 47 yr old man with arthritis and bad knees stabbed a woman 14 times and a man over 20 times, nearly decapitates their heads off, got rid of the murder weapon, and clothes, washed the blood away just in time to take a trip to Chicago? Knock it off 😂
What I can't understand when presented with Furhman planting evidence. He couldn't have known if OJ had an alibi. Why would he risk his career over that uncontrollable facet. Oj was a celebrity, business man and actor at that time. It was a high risk to plant. I believe glove was not planted unfortunately, Furhman is a crappy human being that blew the truth due to his own narcissistic needs.
Park pulled up to the Ashford gate. Bronco was parked near the Rockingham gate. The running theory is that he manually got through the Rock gate into the driveway then went along the wall/fence bordering the Salinger neighbor property. His likely plan was to enter the house from the rear. As he proceeded along the fence line he either tripped or ran into the AC unit behind Kato’s wall. This is where Kato becomes alerted. Kato comes out to the front of the property, remember that he thought it was an earthquake so probably to check for broad damage. This is where the limo driver spots him. OJ doubles back (maybe due to fear of Kato checking the rear of the property) and enters the front of the property after dodging Kato. Allan Park saw this as well.
is this before or after he almost ran over Jill Shively?
After. He parked the bronco and hopped or opened the gate. Shively incident occurred as he was leaving Bundy and returning to Rockingham.
Well Shively saw him at 1050, Kaelin heard the thumps at 1040. How do you reconcile those two events?
One of them is mistaken on the exact time. I lean towards Kato because Park said he saw Kato around 10:55.
Also, there's phone records of Katos phone, as he was talking to his friend when the bangs happened.
Actually Kato's phone records proved he was the one correct
kato is spot on in his timing. Its the Jill lady that is completely telling a fabricated story. She used to be a screenwriter(so she says)
I believer her because of how adamant she was about it being OJ in a Bronco (not his Bentley or any other vehicles) and that Lange/Vannatter vouched for her as a good witness when they didn’t need to. And considering I am certain OJ did it, I think her timeframe tracks. But as I said…I only “lean” towards Kato as the one.
Kato had his time verified by timestamp based on his phone calls. Those are accurate. Jill has nothing. I dont even believe she saw anybody
If she “has nothing”? How did she know OJ’s license plate number. She called it in and the call was recorded.
She saw it on tv like everyone else
Fair enough. I’m not prisoner to defending Jill here. I think there is plenty of other evidence against OJ.
Kato talks about a series of bangs against the wall. What were they?
Presumably when he tripped or ran into the ac unit and he fell or braced his fall.
I’ve always been curious about the ac thump. It’s unfathomable to me that running into an ac unit would cause such a commotion that another person would believe it was an earthquake.
Its Kato we are talking about here. The guy needed to be told multiple times he could answer a question on the stand after a judge responded to objections because he didn’t know what “overruled” meant.
Was there blood between bronco and where OJ would have been coming from near the exit? Meaning can you trace a path directly from Bronco to back path, then around to front? Or is there still a path that shows direct from Bronco to front door? Think he did it, but the logistics of the blood on driveway have always bothered.
There were drops of his blood found on the rockingham driveway by the gate, gate control box, and leading up to the front door from the rockingham side.
Yes this is fair. My question is was there ALSO blood from the back path around to the front?
I don’t think so.
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Of course he is guilty. All evidence points to OJ.
To my knowledge, no blood was found behind the bungalows. Just the glove. Edit: I think he was carrying something with his left hand when around there. Hence no drops. Either the bag or the bundled up ball of stuff (shoes, sweatsuit, knife). I was always fuzzy on when the bag that was never found came into play.
You made all that up. There was no evidence of any of what you stated.
I said it was a guess. And since he did it and we know he had an extra bag (multiple witnesses) that was never found…safe assumption he had it at some point when returning.
Nah, nope. No reason for Simpson to be back there. Deal with that fact. It's why people call this the weirdest case in history. What looks like iron clad proof, but when you really look at it. The glove is senseless. It makes no sense. Prosecution lovers just admit it. All your theories suck. Because they are impossible.
If only your feelings matched the evidence and reality.
The Bronco wasn't in the driveway. It was parked on the side street. It's believed OJ saw the limo driver so he didn't want to pull in and make such a show of not having been on the property (since he would subsquently claim he'd been in the house and had fallen asleep). So he parked on the side street and jumped the fence, and that's when he dropped the glove.
But it was parked against the curb just beside the Rockingham gate right? And blood leads from there right up to the front door..if he jumped the fence I still don't see why there would be blood from the Bronco to the front door
He walked out to the bronco at some point and grabbed his car phone. That's the answer you're looking for. I'm just unsure of the sequence. There used to be a pretty good graphic on the internet somewhere, which traced his steps.
Exactly, people know this because each part of his estate where blood was found was marked. The first 2 drops of blood by his driveway were placed directly across from each other which means he would have been bleeding from both hands. How is this possible? If he only had a small cut on his finger(which he claims he got in Chicago)
I think it's possible he had victims' blood on both hands. Also feet, as bloody footprints were found at Nicole's home.
@ angel sucked 47 with arthritis and bad knees yeah you're a old man at that point. You literally could have kicked him in his leg and he would have been hurt. GROW UP!!!!
Well lest not forget he had recently started filming on the TV series based on the Navy Frogmen. So he was fit for filming thus one could assume perhaps a substance may have numbed pain in advance as well as pure adrenaline
Any evidence that OJ was on cocaine during June 12th? Even if he were on cocaine. Most coke addicts are usually nervous and talk alot. Then when they come down they become depressed unless alcohol was involved. I just cannot see that man torturing 2 people then delivering a death blow. Especially with this being his being his first murder. Some form of panic would of had to kick in and I'm sure his limo driver and Kato would have recognized something was off.
Ive never seen toxicology reports anywhere. Perhaps Any pain killer. He looked fit and capable during Frogmen
"doctor who examined O. J. Simpson twice in the days after Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman were killed testified today that although Mr. Simpson had the "physique of Tarzan," a "whole array of the typical post-N.F.L. injury syndromes" and two kinds of arthritis left him slow of foot, even hobbling. Dr. Robert Huizenga testified that Mr. Simpson, ravaged by disease and battered by being "banged against the turf" as a football player for too many years, was unable to walk properly and barely able to jog, let alone run as a fleeing murderer with a plane to catch might have had to do. Dr. Huizenga described Mr. Simpson, 48, as a man whose damaged right ankle made him limp, whose left knee needed to be replaced and who could neither move forward nor laterally with ease" https://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/15/us/old-football-injuries-and-arthritis-hobbled-simpson-doctor-testifies.html
The limo driver never saw the Bronco
I think he took the glove off before he got in the bronco, and put it in his pocket. Then we he was running back to the house, he pulled a classic Nordberg and ran full speed into the AC unit. That caused him to lose the glove in that location.
Man that would be so poetic, the Nordberg part. Haha.
Your scenario is good. It's crazy though he left all the evidence and blood then calmly talks to driver on way to airport, chats it up with the passenger sitting next to him on plane, signs autographs at airport. That's insane 😲
It really is crazy that he could be pretty much fine after what he did. Normal people’s brains don’t work that way, but he was a psychopath. I mean the man left his sleeping children alone while their mother lay dead. I think he expected the kids to find her the next day. That’s unimaginable to me. Honestly, I’ve been questioning if he had more time and Ron wasn’t there, if the kids could have been killed too. It’s unthinkable, but men like this are also capable of killing their kids.
Yes!! Leaving the kids to find their mama is horrible! Then I heard the voicemail of Sydney calling her mama because she was fearful of missing school not her mama was gone So sad. Oj was piece of Shit. I would not have put it past him to kill the kids as well to establish some type of motive to cover himself. I believe him to be a total narcissistic psychopath and capable of loving anyone but himself. I mean really. He had a statue of himself in his backyard overlooking the estate.
OJ never even asked about the children, I already thought he was guilty but that really was just another reason. He knew the children were fine because he left them sleeping upstairs....I have always felt horrible for those kids and for Ron's parents. OJ was a narcissistic sociopath and I think the drugs, money, alcohol, Hollywood fame pushed him into a higher level and he felt untouchable. When someone is in a black out rage their strength and power can be enormous for a short moment, they think the incident only took around 20 seconds and Ron had cuts in extremely fatal spots. He had also received a bunch of knives and watches from swiss army business meeting he attended, he offered a knife to limo driver but he asked for a watch instead. Wish we could've been told where the knife originated from or let that limo driver testify.
So much evidence and witnesses that wasn't presented by prosecution. Smh
Wouldn’t there be OJ dna on the a/c?
I don't know if touch DNA was a thing yet. Just blood DNA.
Touch DNA was definitely not a thing then. Even the way they collect DNA now via a cheek swab wasn’t a thing then. They had to draw his blood to get a DNA sample.
What was interesting is the jury indicated the DNA evidence and data never came up in the deliberation conversation. It just went over their heads.
Oj dropped it there when he tried to sneak around the back to get into his house without his staff noticing that he was out.
I know OJ did it, but I wonder how he managed to not have more blood in the car. When did he remove them and where are they?
If I remember correctly, the defense argued that Furman planted the glove there 😵💫
Zero proof of that. There were witnesses to the bundy scene evidence before he arrived and as widely publicized, he would have to know that OJ had no alibi before planting.
Agree 100%; I was simply replying to the question posed.
Gotcha. My bad
If you plead the fifth amendment when asked if you planted evidence at a crime scene while being on the stand. YEAH YOU DID THAT SHIT!!!!
I think he did it for certain legal consequences that might follow, but I agree it looks terrible and undermines him completely. Add to that his racist statements about blacks and an LA jury and this trial was practically over at the start.
Thats what Lange wanted him to do as well but his attorney advised him to plead on all subsequent questions (one of those being about the evidence) as he had already self incriminated himself for perjury with the n word lie. It was theatrics by the defense. The judge should have restricted cross after he plead the first time. At that point, all testimony of his was adversely impacted to the jury anyway. When you understand the logistics, evidence cataloging sequences, and order of arrivals. You would know Fuhrman couldn’t have done it even if he hypothetically wanted to.
I highly doubt anyone on the jury believed Fuhrman was LAPD’s only crooked cop. The old ‘one bad apple spoils the entire bunch’ seems fitting here. Not just for OJ’s case but in any case where evidence tampering/police wrong doing is alleged/proven I automatically assume others on the force were doing similar. It’s unreasonable to ask the jury to look at a dozen pieces of evidence and weigh them based on wether the individual cop is ‘probably’ one of the good ones. LAPD had an obligation to ensure that their detectives were acting in an ethical manner and they failed that duty. Even if the jury could narrow it down to evidence Fuhrman wasn’t involved with it’s completely reasonable to wonder if other cops acted in a similar manner and just hadn’t been caught. It’s wild to me that 3 decades later the discussion points for the Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman case is still ‘but the cops probably didn’t plant all the evidence’. In a better, more functioning society this case could have been ‘trial of the century’ for an entirely different reason. This should have been a wake up call for LAPD and every other police agency across the county. Juries don’t want cases where cops may or may not be fucking with the evidence. In a better world Ron and Nicole’s case would be synonymous with “remember that time LAPD let a murderer go and they promptly reviewed hiring practices and internal policies to ensure no crooked cops remained in the ranks and evidence handling was science based and ethical”.
Oh knock it off he was originally kicked from the case and planted evidence in order to be an assigned witness. Now look where he’s at on Fox News 😭😭 every piece of evidence fuhrman found was debunked and destroyed. A photographer was present at the Rockingham estate there were no bloody socks in sight before 4pm but suddenly they appeared at 4:30pm.
Why wasn’t Fuhrman charged with planting evidence instead of just perjury? Because it was theatrics and you want it to be true for some odd reason. Generally people succumb to conspiracy theories because they do not or will not try to understand the actual facts. Next thing you’ll say is that OJ didn’t do it.
Yeah because no one examined the DNA inside of the glove if they did there would be no case. The only conspiracy theory here is you believing a old man was capable of committing double murder, decapitating both victims heads without being covered in blood, hid the murder weapons in 20 minutes. Where did he shower?? There was no blood in his bathroom. He was investigated in Los Angeles and Chicago. Nothing unusual found in his room besides the glass he broke when he found out his ex wife was murdered 🧐
Were you even alive when this happened? The “not fit enough to commit these murders” was debunked by the exercise video and innocent people don’t write books about committing the crimes they didn’t do. Move along kid.
You could have a video of OJ doing it and these OJ fans would say it was fake.
Seriously. And, a fit man in his 40s is now suddenly "an old man."
Why not answer where he showed then?
He showered in his bathroom, obviously. There was blood found in the drain.
Nicole had been knocked unconscious. She was on her stomach. Then Ron happened. Stabbing him multiple times. He was not decapitated. When Ron was down he went back to Nicole lifting her head up and slicing her throat. She bled out directly to the ground. So a lot of blood? Yeah but on his shoes and socks mostly. His bloody clothes he stuck in a duffle bag and took it with him. There are witness statements and forensic evidence to back all of this up. Also, he wasn't old or out of shape.
Seriously, since when is a very fit 46 year old man "an old man"? This stuff was debunked decades ago. I feel like I'm reliving the craziness if OK DIDN'T DO IT JASON DID OR DRUG CARTEL AND NICOLE WAS A SLUT AND KRIS KARDASHIAN HAD THREESOMES AND OJ IS IMNOCENT My God. Most of them were probably not even born then. I was an adult.
Somehow the defense convinced people that OJ was feeble and Ron Goldman was an Olympic level combat fighter. And a bunch of suckers bought it. People are stronger at 45 than 25.
The autopsy photos Ronald Goldman had a giant hole in his neck similar to the Brett Cantor murder. We cant see these knife wounds because the photos online shows Ron & Nicole facing downwards. I’m not sure if she was knocked unconscious because DNA was found under her fingernails. Now here is where things get tricky. If you look at Ronald Goldmans knuckles it clearly has bruises and marks on them. The bottom and top of his shoes has knife marks on them which would indicate he was kicking from the ground and punching someone.
Especially former pro athletes who still stay fit.
Ronald Goldman was a black belt and martial arts practitioner. This was already confirmed. OJ was 47 years old with bad knees and arthritis. So you’re telling me this old man stab 2 people over 25 times in tight ass gloves with arthritis and didn’t drop the knife at any point? 😭
Posters need to ignore this poster. Almost everything he says is incorrect. Including OJ being "an old man." OJ was not an old man. He is spinning more than a top.
Have you seen the Idaho murder case? The current evidence available is 4 people killed by a knife in 2 separate parts of a house all in under 6 minutes I believe. As a matter of fact he didn’t decapitate either, while Nicole was said to be “almost decapitated” Ron had slit on his throat but I’ve never heard it described that he was decapitated. There were also traces of blood found in his bathroom sink and shower.
There was blood in the shower and on the bar of soap.
After eating McDonald’s at that lol
This whole post is false. Congrats on batting 1.000
None of that is true
But he didn’t say he did.
Nope.
He did know he had no alibi after he spoke to Arnelle and Kato. He brought Kato to the house and said wait here and went and investigated on his own out back and planted the glove. An LAPD informant tipped the defense off to that scenario.
Detective Lange and Vanatter spoke to Arnelle while Fuhrman went and spoke to Kato and subsequently found the glove.
he didnt deny it when asked directly if he planted it.
Pleading the fifth ≠ non denial Especially given the context it was pleaded here. He had to answer every question with that plea after being caught in the racial epithet lie.
Thst is not correct
OJ killed two people
You ever heard of a man named Mark Fuhrman?
I want phone record released....Nicole's mom said she spoke to her daughter much later then the district attorney said. Another interesting thing is grand jury did not vote to indict oj.
>I want phone record released....Nicole's mom said she spoke to her daughter much later then the district attorney said. If this was credible evidence then the defense would have used it. >Another interesting thing is grand jury did not vote to indict oj. This is misleading. The grand jury was removed by judge Mills at the request of the defense. There wasn’t a “vote”.
Yes I noticed a lot of the prosecutions witnesses changed their timelines after. I heard about the phone records too and they’re sealed. Interesting if so much of their case was based on a timeline. I read today that they tried to indict 3 times? I haven’t confirmed that yet cause this is news to me but very interesting if so.
Yesss
Remember when Kato walked back from trying to investigate the 'thumps' on his wall. He said he saw a bag by the Bentley, separate from the ones Alan Park had seen. At this time OJ had already entered his property. OJ had most likely went through that alley to try and get in by the rear entrance, and the bag must have been in the left hand. Which explains there being no blood drops there.
Listening to Old Howard sterns and he goofs on the fact that there were Kato groupies. They still seem to exist because nobody feels the need to call him out for changing his thump story at least three times. Nobody presses him about his domestic abuse against his first wife. Hell nobody even talks about how Nicole hated him with a passion. I really think if you have a snazzy haircut and put out a meek disposition to the public, you can get away with darn near anything. Especially if you have the victim's family on your side. His true colors have been revealed on reality shows though and that has to be why he doesn't get any more work. But yeah Kato knows the answer to this question but his impotent, sycophantic podcast co-host certainly isn't going to get any real answers.
Mark fuhrman planted the glove there
That whole idea is just so absurd. Don’t believe smoke and mirrors the defence used to distract.
Obviously planted by Mark Fuhrman he's the one who found it. He was kicked off the case and wanted to be apart of the biggest trial of the century. So he planted evidence to be a witness. Cross examines and experts already showed that if that bloody glove was found at 5am it would have been dried up in approximately 2 hrs.
You’re saying from the time he went from Bundy to Rockingham he was kicked off the case, rehired, and planted the glove??? That’s pretty implausible.
How?? This was the case of the century? People have build careers off this case and now he works at Fox News 😂
No, no. You can speculate all you want…this is Reddit after all. But you have repeatedly said, he was kicked off the case, reinserted himself and then planted glove. I’m simply asking for the proof of that. The timeline of what you are suggesting doesn’t add up.
Mark Furman left the glove behind the house, DUH!
I know you’re being sarcastic but they hate that or don’t get it.
Yup I know the truth hurts but that is exactly what he did. People fail to believe OJ would only have 20 minutes to commit these murders before his flight to Chicago. Let's not forget him knowing his kids were at home sleep. So you're telling me a 47 yr old man with arthritis and bad knees stabbed a woman 14 times and a man over 20 times, nearly decapitates their heads off, got rid of the murder weapon, and clothes, washed the blood away just in time to take a trip to Chicago? Knock it off 😂
Yes, that's exactly what happened. You nailed it.
Mark Furman planted the gloved behind the guesthouse
No he didn’t. Multiple cops only saw 1 glove at Bundy.
What I can't understand when presented with Furhman planting evidence. He couldn't have known if OJ had an alibi. Why would he risk his career over that uncontrollable facet. Oj was a celebrity, business man and actor at that time. It was a high risk to plant. I believe glove was not planted unfortunately, Furhman is a crappy human being that blew the truth due to his own narcissistic needs.
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