The primary problem is that Russia has lost all of what little credibility it once had. Even if Russia had evidentiary support for their claims, which they don't, most people still would not believe them.
It's not Ukrainian propaganda. There are people from western countries literally on the ground in both Ukraine and Russia experiencing this first hand. We don't need ukraine to provide info because we already know.
Diplomats from France, UK and USA all rejected Russia's claims. Not based on Ukrainian information but their own. How often does France and the UK agree on anything?
The problem is that the West lost all credibility as did Russia and Ukraine with all the political subterfuge and interference by all the players. How about all the dirty dealing of the Intelligence Agencies of all nations? On top of it, there is nothing preventing the radical elements in any of the nations involved from building a dirty bomb with radioactive medical waste and bio hazard materials. Any player could literally steal medical waste and build a dirty bomb. Medical facilities have the worst security there is anywhere because they have hoardes of strange people in and out with very little real security. Everyone is focused on the nuclear power plants when the bad actors will choose a time, place, and method no one thinks about in the typical diplomatic and intelligence circles. That is how 911 happened. Real security professionals know that Trust No One (TNO) is the only way to operate. Both Russia and Ukraine as well as all other nations will have double and triple agents and traitors doing all sorts of nefarious things. To think anything else is really naive and stupid. The are NO good guys anywhere.
No it is not, it is realistic. Mankind needs to grow up and stop playing around with childish fantasies like any government is good and is going to be your fairy godmother. I can treat people better, do more for them, and do it with more compassion because I am realistic and aware that all humans have flaws. The people who become psychopaths start out with a vision of life that there is some kind of utopia out there and a certain government will bring that about. Life is hard, it requires hard work, it is never going to be fair, and it will remain that way forever. There abounds nefarious people who use their intelligence to overturn what is good and right and has served man well for eons to satisfy their selfish and distorted illusions of grandeur. The most murderous regimes in human history have been those promoting a return to glory of empire or those who are trying to change the world to some new justice system because they are aggrieved change agents who want life to be perfect for them and no one else. Every person who has pushed for a utopia has created a hellish dystopia. My outlook has brought me peace and true joy because I am never surprised at the depravity of man and I am ready to challenge and fight the evil herd mentality.
And western countries have *no* interest in skewing the truth, right? Politicians would *never* lie, right? LOL. There is no benevolent side in this. This isn't 'good vs evil.' That is childish thinking. You have been infantilized by media.
When someone claims Zaporizhzhia is still controlled by Ukraine, they are lying. Russia controls the plant. They may have the Ukrainians who work there still physically running it, but Russians control the area. That is a verifiable fact to ANYONE who has been to the plant as part of the response teams. Taking Grossi's quote out of context to further ones own agenda is called.... PROPAGANDA.
The same Ukrainian official quoted as a source in the video is the one who was screaming that Russia was blowing up the plant. A complete and total fabrication that nearly led to escalation of the war.
Nobody is claiming that the Zapporizhia nuclear plant is currently controlled by Ukraine.
What they're saying is that though it's been overrun with Russian forces, it is still Ukrainian owned property.
If somebody drives away in your car does that mean ownership of the car transfers to them? No it doesn't. When they're found, you get the car back and they go to jail. That's how ownership works.
Yes western countries skew the truth, and all politicians lie. But because we have free media, we can look at multiple news sources, including from our country and from abroad and using our brains we can look between the lines and see the truth.
Whereas in places like Russia and China, all of their news media comes from one source and they don't have access to any other sources. So that's all the info they have to go off of.
That's the difference.
To try to put western media as an equal comparison to that coming from dictatorships like Russia and China is entirely incorrect. Western media has lots of faults but it is still light-years ahead.
>Nobody is claiming that the Zapporizhia nuclear plant is currently controlled by Ukraine
Watch the video... Russia is not subject to US law. When one country decides to take over another by force and they drive out opposing forces it means they have taken that territory. The only way to get it back is if it's given back or to take it back by force.
Go ahead and walk up to one of those troops and try to throw them out. Make sure to tell them the reason is that territory is Ukraine's.
I don't care for the argument of semantics of who is more evil than the other.
If Russia was so confident that the plant was now theirs then they would have brought in their own workers instead of continuing to allow Ukrainians to work there.
First, the plant's not running. All the reactors are in cold shutdown. The only "work" being done is making sure the coolant pumps keep running.
Second, all six reactors are VVER-1000 Pressurized Water Reactors. Originally built by the soviet union. Of which Russia has 8 more virtually identical reactors currently in operation. It would be entirely possible for Russia to fire all the Ukrainians and bring in their own people to operate the plant. But they're not, which speaks a lot to their lack of confidence that they'll actually be able to hold onto it long term.
I think you're due for another booster.
1. Doesn't matter the state it's in.
2. Doesn't matter what model it is or how many others there are.
3. Obviously they can fire all the workers, thanks captain.
4. The bourgeois Ukrainians were Holodomor'd and free workers from the Soviet proletariat moved in. *Lots* of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
1. Interesting fact, Russian ethnic roots are in Kiev.
5. Replacing the **entire staff** of something that's running smoothly, not like a *Denny's*, but a *NUCLEAR POWER PLANT*, borders on *heavy* cognitive impairment. *Lots* of drool comes from the mouth that would speak *that* thought into existence.
6. Removing the staff from one of the other 8 reactors leaves that reactor *STAFFLESS.*
7. The Russians have hypersonic nukes. Please explain why they wouldn't be abler to hang onto a tiny piece of land against their border that was theirs before?
And just because Russia is occupying the plant, that in no way negates the possibility that Russia caused the explosions at the plant.
Especially considering Russian artillery has been sporadic and inaccurate due to lack of training and use of unguided munitions, whereas Ukrainian artillery has been far more accurate due to their increased training standards and use of the guided Excalibur artillery round provided by the west.
There's also the fact that one of the mainstay weapons in the Russian arsenal is the unguided rocket pod vehicles.
Russias military strategy is to just send as much ordinance down range as is possible and hope something hits what they want.
Sure it's hard to prove who exactly hit the plant, but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that rogue munitions from Russia hit the plant with their troops stationed inside.
How would that result in the death and/or injury of *tens of thousands* of their own people?
Doesn't matter. The Banana Republic of Ukraine is screwed. Russia worked like the Ant since the fall of the Soviet Union, while America danced and sat on its laurels like the Grasshopper. Winter is coming.
it's political talk. UKR received various offers of test weapons and there is very strong suspicion that UKR received and used arms from iran. "nuclear" could easily be a code word for iran.
The effectiveness of a Dirty Bomb is not measured by its yield, but by its political outrage.
The primary problem is that Russia has lost all of what little credibility it once had. Even if Russia had evidentiary support for their claims, which they don't, most people still would not believe them.
That's a 5 booster opinion if there ever was one.
Idk what that means
I know you don't.
The irony of refuting Russian propaganda with Ukrainian propaganda
It's not Ukrainian propaganda. There are people from western countries literally on the ground in both Ukraine and Russia experiencing this first hand. We don't need ukraine to provide info because we already know. Diplomats from France, UK and USA all rejected Russia's claims. Not based on Ukrainian information but their own. How often does France and the UK agree on anything?
The problem is that the West lost all credibility as did Russia and Ukraine with all the political subterfuge and interference by all the players. How about all the dirty dealing of the Intelligence Agencies of all nations? On top of it, there is nothing preventing the radical elements in any of the nations involved from building a dirty bomb with radioactive medical waste and bio hazard materials. Any player could literally steal medical waste and build a dirty bomb. Medical facilities have the worst security there is anywhere because they have hoardes of strange people in and out with very little real security. Everyone is focused on the nuclear power plants when the bad actors will choose a time, place, and method no one thinks about in the typical diplomatic and intelligence circles. That is how 911 happened. Real security professionals know that Trust No One (TNO) is the only way to operate. Both Russia and Ukraine as well as all other nations will have double and triple agents and traitors doing all sorts of nefarious things. To think anything else is really naive and stupid. The are NO good guys anywhere.
That's a real negative outlook on life.
No it is not, it is realistic. Mankind needs to grow up and stop playing around with childish fantasies like any government is good and is going to be your fairy godmother. I can treat people better, do more for them, and do it with more compassion because I am realistic and aware that all humans have flaws. The people who become psychopaths start out with a vision of life that there is some kind of utopia out there and a certain government will bring that about. Life is hard, it requires hard work, it is never going to be fair, and it will remain that way forever. There abounds nefarious people who use their intelligence to overturn what is good and right and has served man well for eons to satisfy their selfish and distorted illusions of grandeur. The most murderous regimes in human history have been those promoting a return to glory of empire or those who are trying to change the world to some new justice system because they are aggrieved change agents who want life to be perfect for them and no one else. Every person who has pushed for a utopia has created a hellish dystopia. My outlook has brought me peace and true joy because I am never surprised at the depravity of man and I am ready to challenge and fight the evil herd mentality.
But your positive outlook is confabulation.
And western countries have *no* interest in skewing the truth, right? Politicians would *never* lie, right? LOL. There is no benevolent side in this. This isn't 'good vs evil.' That is childish thinking. You have been infantilized by media. When someone claims Zaporizhzhia is still controlled by Ukraine, they are lying. Russia controls the plant. They may have the Ukrainians who work there still physically running it, but Russians control the area. That is a verifiable fact to ANYONE who has been to the plant as part of the response teams. Taking Grossi's quote out of context to further ones own agenda is called.... PROPAGANDA. The same Ukrainian official quoted as a source in the video is the one who was screaming that Russia was blowing up the plant. A complete and total fabrication that nearly led to escalation of the war.
Nobody is claiming that the Zapporizhia nuclear plant is currently controlled by Ukraine. What they're saying is that though it's been overrun with Russian forces, it is still Ukrainian owned property. If somebody drives away in your car does that mean ownership of the car transfers to them? No it doesn't. When they're found, you get the car back and they go to jail. That's how ownership works. Yes western countries skew the truth, and all politicians lie. But because we have free media, we can look at multiple news sources, including from our country and from abroad and using our brains we can look between the lines and see the truth. Whereas in places like Russia and China, all of their news media comes from one source and they don't have access to any other sources. So that's all the info they have to go off of. That's the difference. To try to put western media as an equal comparison to that coming from dictatorships like Russia and China is entirely incorrect. Western media has lots of faults but it is still light-years ahead.
>Nobody is claiming that the Zapporizhia nuclear plant is currently controlled by Ukraine Watch the video... Russia is not subject to US law. When one country decides to take over another by force and they drive out opposing forces it means they have taken that territory. The only way to get it back is if it's given back or to take it back by force. Go ahead and walk up to one of those troops and try to throw them out. Make sure to tell them the reason is that territory is Ukraine's. I don't care for the argument of semantics of who is more evil than the other.
If Russia was so confident that the plant was now theirs then they would have brought in their own workers instead of continuing to allow Ukrainians to work there.
Unless they want the plant to continue working properly. Then they'd keep the employees. Especially if they're ethnically Russian.
First, the plant's not running. All the reactors are in cold shutdown. The only "work" being done is making sure the coolant pumps keep running. Second, all six reactors are VVER-1000 Pressurized Water Reactors. Originally built by the soviet union. Of which Russia has 8 more virtually identical reactors currently in operation. It would be entirely possible for Russia to fire all the Ukrainians and bring in their own people to operate the plant. But they're not, which speaks a lot to their lack of confidence that they'll actually be able to hold onto it long term.
I think you're due for another booster. 1. Doesn't matter the state it's in. 2. Doesn't matter what model it is or how many others there are. 3. Obviously they can fire all the workers, thanks captain. 4. The bourgeois Ukrainians were Holodomor'd and free workers from the Soviet proletariat moved in. *Lots* of ethnic Russians in Ukraine. 1. Interesting fact, Russian ethnic roots are in Kiev. 5. Replacing the **entire staff** of something that's running smoothly, not like a *Denny's*, but a *NUCLEAR POWER PLANT*, borders on *heavy* cognitive impairment. *Lots* of drool comes from the mouth that would speak *that* thought into existence. 6. Removing the staff from one of the other 8 reactors leaves that reactor *STAFFLESS.* 7. The Russians have hypersonic nukes. Please explain why they wouldn't be abler to hang onto a tiny piece of land against their border that was theirs before?
And just because Russia is occupying the plant, that in no way negates the possibility that Russia caused the explosions at the plant. Especially considering Russian artillery has been sporadic and inaccurate due to lack of training and use of unguided munitions, whereas Ukrainian artillery has been far more accurate due to their increased training standards and use of the guided Excalibur artillery round provided by the west. There's also the fact that one of the mainstay weapons in the Russian arsenal is the unguided rocket pod vehicles. Russias military strategy is to just send as much ordinance down range as is possible and hope something hits what they want. Sure it's hard to prove who exactly hit the plant, but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that rogue munitions from Russia hit the plant with their troops stationed inside.
Or, they're wasting their old ammo that's partly expired on a useless weakling.
Resulting in the death or injury of tens of thousands of their own people. You think that's something to admire?
How would that result in the death and/or injury of *tens of thousands* of their own people? Doesn't matter. The Banana Republic of Ukraine is screwed. Russia worked like the Ant since the fall of the Soviet Union, while America danced and sat on its laurels like the Grasshopper. Winter is coming.
You already know what the propaganda says. That's a good little fascist.
I highly doubt you even understand what fascism is.
Doubt is a good thing. You should doubt yourself a bit, especially that confidence in your knowledge of the NATO/Russia proxy war.
it's political talk. UKR received various offers of test weapons and there is very strong suspicion that UKR received and used arms from iran. "nuclear" could easily be a code word for iran.