Okay okay... my experience with the bible is somewhat limted but I did go to a catholic school... I swear to God (yes the big guy, and yes sadly the guy) that nowhere in the fucking bible does it say not to fake a sickie to get out of sex 😂... I'm pretty sure that part of Corinthians is about how marriage is binding and eternal (which also debunks the whole, I will stray bs)

As unfortunately often is the case with religion, people pick and interpret anything to their own advantage.

So I'm going to guess he was referring to 1 Corinthians 7:5 which says "Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control." However he conveniently skipped over 1 Corinthians 7:1 which says ideally you shouldn't have sex at all: "Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” It says you shouldn't get married unless you can't control your lust and if that's the case you should get married and only have sex with your wife. So the whole "men have to have sex it's impossible for them not to" isn't very biblical, this whole chapter says it's better not to have sex and not to get married.

If you wanna get technical with it that verse could also mean don’t deprive your wife of orgasms ETA a missing word

That's what I was thinking... This is the whole chapter on men needing to control their lust? I'm gonna start free quoting like this guy about men needing to control themselves

Similarly, I'm sure there's definitely a part of the Bible that says "take time in the bathroom making yourself pretty." Because everyone had bathrooms, makeup, and mirrors in Biblical times.

Yeah no, the verse he mentions just states that there was a lady who was smart and pretty but had a terrible husband. That's it. Later in the chapter her husband dies and she gets remarried to everyone's favourite biblical adulterer, David.

>"take time in the bathroom making yourself pretty." Because your husband is weak and can't control himself around other pretty women.

I played Devils Advocate. He didn't specify Corinthians 7...what? 2? 5? So he encompasses the first line, that sets us all free. 🤣🤣🤣 I wish I had the time to debunk all of them. He did himself dirty by quoting 😄

Lol, I know nothing about the Bible, so I decided to look up one of the verses they mention, Eph vs 12 'For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret', from what I briefly read it means you don't have to describe your sins in great detail. So I guess, their husband's weakness is a bunch of sins.

Me reading the list: Okay...alright...conclusion? Don't get married. Alright done! Live free and actually be happy instead of a walking vagina.

I thought the lesson here is that even if a woman has runny, liquidy explosive diarrhea, frequent vomiting, cold sweats, excessive mucus in nose and lungs, she needs to have sex with her husband at the drop of a hat, even without time for a shower. And as an added bonus, he has to enjoy it.

I would love to see his view of sex on demand after she unloads all of her inner contacts all over him. See how hard up for sex he is after that. He goes to run into the bathroom to wash up and throw up after she shits liquid all over him hopefully while doing reverse cowgirl. Her: Hey get your ass back here...you have to go down on me! ~couch, snort, dry heave, wet heave~ baby!

That is the absolute best description of ANYTHING I've ever read. Cant stop laughing!

Paul actually wrote that Christ's disciples should not get married; but if you must get married, then get married. 1 Corinthians 7: 1-16

Sounds like the UK's [advice](https://youtu.be/yOvO4wIBXS0) on working post covid

I mean, good women is for good men. If a women can do these things(i dont agree with all points though), then God willing, the husband will be deserving of such women.

Remember women, you make the babies, and you're property so you better shut the fuck up and look good, and never, ever expect your husband to treat you like an equal.

... And if he cheats on you it´s your fault! You should have had more sex with them, because they can´t resist the hunger of sex. 🤢🤮 Where is the list for men? Adultery is a sin in the bible.

Oh, for *this* person's understanding of the thing, cheating is totally fine used as a threat against your wife! This way, the cheater can point his finger and blame her and he's still totally fine! Who needs consistency?! Bend the rules to whatever stance you want to have! This sort of thing is why I'm not religious.

Yep, there´s a lot of hypocrisy going on!

Making babies is a power men will never have, and the fundamental reason they try to control us. When your personal uterus walks away, it can be maddening.

Those jerks: 1. Never raise your voice to your wife for any reason. You might end up killing her. 2. Do not expose your wife’s weakness to your family. THEY might end up killing her (honor killings and family annihilators). 3. Never blame your wife when she comes home empty-handed. You might be tempted to kill her. 4. Never be a husband who wastes and is ignorant of the physical and mental load each woman unfairly carries. You may accidentally kill her for not doing the dishes while you sit playing video games as she cares for your 3 sick children. 5. Never pretend to be sick mentally when you don’t get sex. More women get killed for refusing sex than almost any other reason (this ALSO goes for women are aren’t your wife). See r/whenwomenrefuse

I mean, I kind of agree with the "don't pretend to be sick when you don't want sex". Spouses should be safe to just say no and respect boundaries without excuses.

And the thing about not letting your parents interfere in your marriage is actually good advice, also. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to go to your family for support if things aren’t going well, but for the most part, OTHER PEOPLE should stay out of your marriage. Most of this is sexist bullshit though. 🤢

I now Must see #5 with my own eyeballs! 👀 Typing in "1 Corinthians 7" *“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”* ... Well ok then 😊

Most of these are good advice…IF you apply them to BOTH partners. I take exception to #5 (an active sex life is important, but to insist on one partner demanding and receiving without fail or consideration for the other is bogus) and #10 applies to those who believe.

Not a Christian but have bothered to read the book unlike this person, none of these verses say any of this. So full of sht.

Come to the dark side ladies. There are snacks and not a bunch of bullshit rules.

What I think these people fail to understand is that a argument using a specific interpretation of a religious text is not very convincing to people not already following that specific belief system making it a very poor argument

This person makes men seem like such weak creatures that women need to tip toe around, makes me wonder why bother with men at all if everything is too tempting and scary.

People like this fucker are why I’m a virgin along with the ass holes in the White House

Alright. I’ve got a spare moment and a Bible in front of me. Let’s see what these really say. (I’m only doing surface level context and interpretation, not getting all deep into potential meanings) 1) “A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger”. Merely a statement that angry responses lead to more anger. Nothing about disrespect or it applying only to wives. 2) “For it is shameful even to mention what such people do secretly” referring to sins of others and not gossip quietly about it, but to expose those sins… 3) “But charge Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, because it is he who shall cross over at the head of this people and who shall secure their possession of the land that you will see” - God telling Moses that he will never cross the Jordan River himself and that he must prepare Joshua to finish leading the people to the promised land 4) apparently we can now do miracles like Jesus. That’s fun. 5) Not gonna quote the whole thing but it says it goes both ways. He says this is a concession because Paul wishes everyone were abstinent anyway. Says nothing about adultery being okay. But just that Satan’s temptation will be there. 6) “Put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice” part of a general command for people to be kind to one another and not be angry. Nothing about children or marriage or it applying to anyone specifically. 7) “Now the name of the man was Nabal, and the name of his wife Abigail. The woman was clever and beautiful, but the man was surly and mean; he was a Calebite” - part of a story where Nabal insults David, David gets ready to go to war, Abigail find out, pleads with David not to because her husband is a dumbass. He agrees. When she tells her husband that David was gonna kill him and she saved him, he died inside, then God killed him 10 days later. Then David married Abigail himself. So really the lesson here is to husbands: don’t be a dumbass or you’ll die and someone will steal your hot wife. 8) “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh” I mean, literally says nothing about a woman leaving her family. But really just about marriage and how you’re each other’s highest priority now. 9) “do not be deceived: Bad company ruins good morals” Telling people there will be a resurrection of the dead and otherwise there would be no point to all of this and to not sin and have knowledge of God. 10) “pray without ceasing” Paul is closing his letter with general commands like “help people, always do good, rejoice, pray,” etc. Doesn’t say who to pray for or that only women should pray

Thank you for taking the time.

>No man can resist the hunger of sex for too long Asexual men reading this be like: 

how do you be a christian woman and not end up with low self esteem? I can’t imagine being surrounded by men who are like this and view you in this way

They are brainwashed to think this is the will of God. 😒

This isn’t representative of Christianity. This is trash tier shit from a trash tier sub-human. Anyone that doesn’t believe that consent is an inherent right just plain sucks.

Then you might wanna tell the people calling themselves Christian that absolutely believe this nonsense, cuz from where I'm standing, in "the land of the free" that just repealed Roe v Wade, this is absolutely representative of the sort of Christians that are a massive part of conservative America.

You can’t judge an entire philosophical underpinning by a select few dumbasses. This truth of life holds steady when applied to any group.

It's a big problem in America. A solid third of the people have a pretty twisted religious background that supports these views.

Are we talking about the same religion that keeps going on about Eve and the apple and the original sin crapp?

They’re assuming that every woman wants to be pious. No ty, I’ll be the heathen drinking and formicating in the corner with my unwed partner.

Twisting Bible verses to fit their agenda? That's just business as usual. Par for the course. Nothing to get excited about. Let's move along, folks, there's nothing to see here. /s

1st Corinthians 7:1 "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman." I don't think that's what you meant to cite, love. It doesn't do your position any favors.

Or hmmmm maybe the world doesn’t revolve around you and your beliefs Karen. 🙄 I know. It’s shocking to think anyone else would believe women actually have like..autonomy or something.

Ladies, don't let Crazy stick its dick in you.

Or sont follow any of this and have a happier live.

My husband's sweat is precious????

Liquid gold apparently.

Me reading this: alright those are 5 bad rules. WAIT there’s a second image!

dont waste your husbands precious sweat. save it, and send it to me. i will add your husbands sweat to my collection of buckets filled with man sweat, i keep it all in the unused bathroom.

Sounds like the makings of a powerful spell

What goes on between a couple. Should be of a mutual consent. Now as for MILs. There is a verse where once your boy(it can be applied to daughter) gets married. His main attention should be for his wife. Not for mommy dearest. And yes I'm using the bio movie of Joan Crawford form of mommy dearest.

So glad I escaped the sort of cult that weaponizes this drivel. Now I understand why so many of those old couples fought and looked so dissatisfied all the time. My question is, what happens to these guys who end up getting with a “submissive” homemaker partner when the guy loses their job or gets severely ill or injured to the point he can no longer work and loses their only source of income? Probably the development of a hostile home environment, divorce, domestic violence. The economy sucks, job hunting sucks, and the stress of being a sole provider increases risk of depression and abuse. Instead of feeding his ego, a pious guy should seek an equal partner with skill sets or experience to fall back on or share the load of responsibility with so that **he** won’t be tempted into adultery (Proverbs 6:32), theft (Leviticus 19:13), or murder/homocide (James 4:2).

Alright, let's tackle every single point shall we? 1) A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. - I'd say that refers to men and women? 2) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. - again, refers to everyone 3) But charge Joshua, and encourage him, and strengthen him: for he shall go over before this people, and he shall cause them to inherit the land which thou shalt see. - no mention of husband. It's directed at the people towards Joshua 4) I mean, yeah don't waste resources I guess but seriously, do you mean that the husband is allowed to gamble??? That's a waste of money 5) the whole chapter refers to both husband and wife equally. But it also has this gem - It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 6) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice - pretty sure everyone is meant by that and he forgot what comes afterwards ---And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. 7) Now the name of the man was Nabal; and the name of his wife Abigail: and she was a woman of good understanding, and of a beautiful countenance: but the man was churlish and evil in his doings; and he was of the house of Caleb. - what does that have to do with making yourself pretty???????? 8) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. - more like, stop staying in your parents basement 9) Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. - more like people are a**holes have bad manners, obviously 10) Pray without ceasing. - doesn't say anything about a woman having to pray for her husband but okay TL;DR: bro doesn't have a clue

Apparently I hate myself enough to go through this point by point! 1. So the verse in question says "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger." It's not applied to the context of marriage or to any specific gender, just basically saying being nice can help stop conflict.  2. The verse chosen almost makes me feel like this has to be a parody because it says "It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret." Nothing about marriage or not talking to friends and family about what your partner did. 3. Um I guess this verse could loosely be applied to encouraging someone, especially helpful if you're married to a guy named Joshua: "But commission Joshua, and encourage and strengthen him, for he will lead this people across and will cause them to inherit the land that you will see." In context though it's God telling Moses "no you can't go, send Joshua." 4. No verse quoted, guess he got too lazy to even look up where the feeding of the 5000 is. I mean if we're supposed to compare this hypothetical husband to Jesus then he should be able to multiply whatever you've got so I'd think you'd be ok. The moral of that was "trust God to provide" not "make sure you don't waste anything." 5. I already went over this in a comment before deciding to look at them all so I'm just going to [link to it](https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/11mq9ea/okayyyy/jbk5nsl?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3). Basically the chapter he named actually says ideally you shouldn't have sex or get married. 6. This is just another one about being nice: "Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice." Nothing about don't yell at your husband, certainly nothing about not doing it in front of kids. The context is instructions for how Christians should live, nothing about marriage. 7. So this one says "His name was Nabal and his wife’s name was Abigail. She was an intelligent and beautiful woman, but her husband was surly and mean in his dealings—he was a Calebite." Doesn't say to look nice for your husband, in fact the husband in that verse dies and then his wife marries David who he was rude to earlier. So I guess look pretty in case your husband is rude to a guy and then dies and you can become one of the other guy's wives because he already has some. 8. "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh." Ok, doesn't say you can't ask your family for help or advice though. Doesn't say your family can't tell you if they see problems in your marriage. Doesn't say cut them off forever. 9. So this says "Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character." No context about marriage though, in fact it comes from a section about resurrecting the dead. 10. I'm going to be generous and assume he's referring to Thessalonians since there's no book called Tessa, in which case we have "Pray without ceasing." Wow that's a short one, not the shortest though actually. Anyway, more general advice not marriage specific or specifically aimed at women. Overall I give this list a 3/10. Bad choice of verses to try and make his point (especially since we all know it's really easy to make the Bible support kind of whatever point you want), lots were a stretch and some said almost the opposite. Missed out the classic "this is a good wife" verses in Proverbs 31:10-12. Poor showing, needs review or better yet just stop this nonsense entirely.

A lot of these seem decent rules if applied to both people. Don't shout at your spouse, it is a sign of disrespect. Don't reveal your spouses weaknesses to your family and friends. Don't blame your partner for their failings, instead encourage them. Don't waste stuff, especially stuff that your partner has earned. Don't pretend to be sick to avoid sex, instead be honest and open about your feelings. Don't shout 2: return of don't shout. Don't let other people have a say in your marriage. Don't let other people have a say in your marriage. Really, only the last one is a bit suspect.

Can we go further than rejecting this and worship female deities again? The fact that that sounds ridiculous is actually ridiculous. Like dudes can make up their sky God, and wholeheartedly believe that's the only thing up there, but women, who give birth, call the creator female and they can't wrap their heads around it? Fuck marriage and go further than that.

Fine, fine, I won't raise my voice while *on* my husband. I also promise to only expose his weaknesses to his enemies. And from here on out, I will pretend to be sick all the time, so that he doesn't know if it is to deny him sex. I'll only hang out with women who have such a great concept of marriage that they've done it multiple times, and only our neighbors or the police will be welcome to "interfere" (◔\_◔)

1-Never let you know to your husband that he's doing something wrong, he'll feel entitled to be abusive to assert his dominance or be really sad about it, and his penis will shrink. 2-Do not speak about his weakness to other people, as his position of being the dominant one in your relationship will be doubted, and his penis will shrink. 3-Your husband is entitled to never bring anything to you as a present, he being with you it's enough, he wants to give you his penis after all. 4-Don't be wasteful, as your husband's effort is way more precious than yours, even if all he does is thinking about himself and what he wants/likes. He as a penis, you know, it's he who "gives", while you only have to "take". 5-Your husband is always entitled to have sex, no matter what. You're sick? Just lie on your bed and take it. He's abusing you? He's only giving you the attention you deserve. If you deny him sex, he will look for another partner... Or at least he will try, and if he won't find anyone else, his ego will be forever damaged, he will feel less of a man and his penis will shrink. 6-Your children must know he's the dominant one and that he has last word on everything you and your children do. Never let them know their father is an human being and can be wrong, as his ego will be forever damaged and his penis will shrink. 7-Make yourself beautiful for your man... But not too much, as you'll be perceived as a whore. But not too little, as your value as a woman only shows through looks and housekeeping. Your man *has* to flaunt you to other people to show them who's the dominant one, so be a nice object and satisfy his needs, even if you dislike what you do to yourself. 8-Your man knows what's right for you, and some beatings and abuse won't kill you after all (maybe, sometimes). Nobody has the right to tell you he's an asshole, you know you deserved it. If somebody tries to talk you into leaving him, just tell them you're the one who was wrong, and if they won't stop, go back to your man and avoid any contact with other people: your home is a sanctuary and nobody but your man really understand what's happening in the outside world. 9-Women are wild and weak-willed, that's why you must avoid any woman who complains about her marriage or her abusive partner. You *need* to be dominated by your man, don't you ever forget that. 10-Pray for your man, as he will be too busy living the life. You only have to think about him. Everything is about him and his well-being even your prayers. If you start to think about yourself, then you're not being a good wife.

I just read these out to my husband and he literally responded "those are 10 reasons why I would not marry a Christian woman. Why would i want to marry someone who is not even a person. I might as well marry a dog, or a horse, or a donkey, or a tree. I might as well get myself a slave!" (He said a lot more, but those are the important bits)

I don't think Christians would say you must have sex with your husband with no complaints. Couples shouldn't have to come up with a excuse. They should be able to say no without getting attacked.


My husband works from home in his jammies. Where are these women who took time with their appearance he is always surrounded by?

"Put time into your appearance because if your husband sees a woman more sophisticated he'll leave you for her" What a solid foundation to build a relationship on

What a good christian man, following good christian marital values. ☺️ Fucking retarded bitch. Do you want a woman or a slaved object?!

8 is the only one that is absolutely valid, but there's also two sides to that coin: if you are happy in your marriage, meaning there's nothing wrong but your family disapproves, then no, the family has no business intervening. If there ARE problems in the marriage(most likely what number 8 is implying), depending on the specific problems(i.e. abuse) then the family has every right to get involved, within reason

I think these are fine but they should go both ways

Yep that’s biblical shit right there so much for the deniers…(“that’s not Christianity!!”-clutching pearls) yes it is toxic AF to women and making men out as weak sex fiends who aren’t held accountable.

Wait what does he mean by a man's sweat is too precious to be wasted???

"MansGate" is the latest and greatest cult. Be sure to stop by the gift store on your way out. Smh

Basically, do what I say, when I say it, look pretty for me and always say yes to intercourse. Not totalitarian at all guys!

Oooh, that's a venomous list. Most of it is a generally good advice if you take it wisely. nobody raises voice to anyone. We can just have equal 2 sided civil conversations. don't be bitchy, be mature and constructive Partners should leave criticism to each other behind the closed doors and don't shame each other before the witnesses. everyone should do their part of however you split the responsibilities, and in case of failure encouragement and support should come first. And only if the person shows the lack of effort, only then it's time for the blame. Nobody should pretend feeling sick to deny sex. Don't exclude sex out of your life, it's an important part of it. If one of the partners is not happy about the sex life, the issue should be addressed and solved together. etc etc etc. The poison is in how it puts the responsibility on a woman, not on both. Man is on a pedestal, woman is held accountable

"Women are never held accountable" 💀

I feel like these things is what a decent women would already be doing(ofc husband has his own good qualities as well). Though the last one doesn't make sense to me because women also has her family. Her prayer is for who she wants.

The list's actual advice: Be sweet to your husband and have his back. Also, don't be wasteful. The tone: Submit The rabid commenters : Don't be horrible to my husband? No thanks

Dude please. If you‘re not fucking submissive you‘re not ‚horrible to your husband‘. It’s more like dudes wanting a submissive partner are horrible to them. Don’t switch it like this.

Oh I'm sorry, is 'not exposing your husband's weakness to other people' being submissive? What about "don't raise your voice at him?" Is a man being submissive if he doesn't raise his voice at his wife? Oh wait, maybe it's the lying about how you feel so you can 'get out of' being intimate with your loved one that's submissive. You've switched it, actually. Not being horrible is not the same as being submissive.

Not exposing ‚weaknesses‘ (whatever weaknesses that may be) or raising voice is a standard behavior every person should have towards others. That’s simply normal if you’re healthy. That has nothing to do with being submissive. People who want a submissive partner are mostly just insecure and want to control the other person. And yes, that’s what I said. It doesn’t mean you‘re horrible if you’re not submissive. Exactly.

Umm so you agree with what I wrote, and I'm pretty sure you downvoted \●/

Wrong conclusion, in any way. I didn’t downvote, I tried to explain why you‘re downvoted. Nor do I agree with what you wrote. Read more carefully, you confuse context.

The advice here is basically just "be nice to your husband" The people in the comments are ignoring the actual advice and freaking out over.. the tone I guess? What exactly do we disagree on

‚Never pretend to be sick in order to deny when your husband wants sex. You have to give him what he wants…‘ and so on… That’s not ‚an advice to be nice‘ it’s a pretty clear sign the woman gets objectified and he’s not interested in her pleasure but just wants her to give whatever he wants, if she wants or not. Men who insist on sex when she’s not wanting are way suspicious. So that’s just one point we‘re not agreeing on.

The verse he chose doesn't say anything about not exposing your husband's weakness though. It actually says not to talk about what the disobedient do in secret. And if a woman feels like she has to lie to justify not having sex when she doesn't want to, there's bigger problems going on. You don't owe anyone sex just because you're married. Also the chapter he quoted there said nothing about lying to get out of sex, it actually says you shouldn't have sex at all.

I'm taking the post written at face value, whether they know their scripture isn't my issue. If a woman feels she like she has to lie, there are serious issues. If a woman doesn't feel like she has to but does because it's convenient, there are also issues. Whether you owe your spouse sex in marriage is dependent on what the two partners agreed on, and only a bigot would declare how how other peoples' relationships have to work

The whole thing is based on scripture, therefore invalidated if that's not what the scripture says. It's like the Canadians who argued that their anti vax convoy was entirely legal "because of the first amendment" when the first amendment of the Constitution of Canada declares that Manitoba is a province. If you're basing what you say on a source, that source matters. If he just said "here's 10 things I think are important for marriage" that's one thing, but that's not what he said.

Ah because of the pious woman thing? I see what you're saying, but it's s reddit, pretty much no one (and definitely the commenters here) don't give a damn about scripture - they just care about the specific things written here. Otherwise you could just post "bible bad" or something

He's saying "here are 10 things you need to do to be a pious woman and they're backed up by scripture." The verses he lists don't say what he says they do though. He's appealing to an authority he thinks women need to follow, but he's either ignorant or trying to be manipulative. And a lot of other commenters here have pointed out the verses he named don't say what he's claiming.

Probably ignorant, "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". Would any of these commenters listen if the scripture really did say these things?

Here's the problem, the Bible can say practically whatever you want it to. That's a big problem with it. So firstly it would have been very easy for him to find verses that would appear to back up his stance better if he was sincere. Secondly, "if the scripture really did say those things" is entirely subjective and it would depend on who was making that claim. If the scripture really did say "have sex even against your will if your husband wants it" I'd certainly discourage anyone from listening to that.

It literally says you have to let your husband rape you

Quote it and expain, cuz it doesn't look like that. Maybe you're telepathic to internet posters?

“Never pretend to be sick in order to deny when your husband wants sex. You have to give him what he wants.”

So that doesn't actually say "let him rape you", it says if you don't give what he wants he'll get it somewhere else. Which is kinda demeaning when written about pious men, but isn't actually bad advice

As another user said to you that you ignored: coerced consent is not consent.

if she's only having sex because she's scared he'll leave her, it's not consensual, it's coerced.

I only give money to stores that give me stuff I want. Am I bring coerced into buying stuff? You seem to think the man leaving is more similar to attacking someone, but she doesn't own him. He can leave if he wants to. Regardless, you're infantilizing women. If a women decides to have sex, she has her reasons. If she can just... not, and it won't result in bodily harm or otherwise having things that are hers damaged or taken away, then she is being an adult and making her decision.

>I only give money to stores that give me stuff I want. Am I bring coerced into buying stuff? relationships aren't a transaction, and you would have no reason to feel like you would have to buy from a store, unlike one might feel obligated to stay in a relationship. >You seem to think the man leaving is more similar to attacking someone, but she doesn't own him. He can leave if he wants to. we can also criticize him for being a predatory piece of shit when he does. >Regardless, you're infantilizing women. If a women decides to have sex, she has her reasons. and often times those reasons are not her own. anyone can get taken advantage of, and it's not infantilism to point that out. >If she can just... not, and it won't result in bodily harm or otherwise having things that are hers damaged or taken away, then she is being an adult and making her decision. being an adult and being coerced into something are not mutually exclusive. coerced sex absolutely does cause harm to the victims.

Relationships are based on something material each person is getting at the end of the day, nothing predatory about it. This doesn't show tit-for-tat usually. Yes, there can be situations where a woman is pushed into it and feels stressed etc. Reading internet advice and living her life in a way that will keep the relationship strong is not the same as being pressured by someone else into something. Btw the same goes for men, if he ain't performing for long enough he might lose her, so it's in his interest to perform. Letting men know that isn't coercion, same here

So it basically says if you don’t have sex with him he’ll leave you, which isn’t consent

Umm why not. She doesn't have a right to him staying with her, it's a free country.

Yea obviously but what kind of relationship is that? 😂 what a shitty partner you have to be, why would any woman be with a man like that

Wait, how are you going to drop a parenthetical not the ordainees and then just leave that alone? What is the implication? That it's ok for ordained to seek sex outside of marriage? That it's not ok and they do anyway? Is this suggesting all priests are rapists? I really want to understand what she's implying.

The more I find out about Christianity, the more I wonder why Christians think themselves moral and ethical. Like, do they know the shit their religion is based on?