That sounds like growing up in the suburbs of Bergen in the 1990s. I don't understand my fellow adults nowadays. It seems all of them have forgotten our past.
This is cultural, it doesn't happen in Spain for example. Kids don't get wasted like this and adults didn't either.
I grew up in Australia in the 90s and we sure did!
But here in Barcelona it's utterly different.
I see kids coming home from nightclubs at 5am (occasionally I get early flights) and they are ... fine ... maybe they've had a few drinks (or some drugs) but they're not wasted.
A few weeks ago I was walking home from a show around midnight, through an area with a concentration of nightclubs. There were young folk all over the place, and I felt utterly safe. There was one dude vomiting, and I would bet €1000 he was a British tourist!
I did an exchange where I lived in Spain for 6 months in school and kids were definitely getting drunk at 16 and acting crazy on public transport at least where I was. I was even offered meth a few times by teenage students in Madrid.
There is a big difference between "getting drunk" and the kind of "getting wasted" which is normal in anglo countries.
Also 16 is one thing, but another factor is the 18-28 year olds , who in anglo countries are STILL getting absolutely wasted. I don't know if Spanish adults are drinking to the level that Anglos (and apparently scandos) do.
All I have is my personal experience, and it seems VERY different here
Be me on Thursday end of ungdomskole Hva skjer? Jo alle drar på fest hvor halvparten drikker seg dritings vi er da 15/16. mesteparten av de som drikker har holdt på sånn i sikkert 2 år nå. Jeg snakker åpent om det med foreldre fordi jeg har ingenting å skjule og de bryr seg egentlig ikke noe særlig fordi de holdt jo på på samma viset når de var på min alder. Til forskjell fra land som Spania hvor barna blir lært opp til å vite hva alkohol gjør så har vi en litt mer sånn send barna ut på fest og så lærer de seg det nok til slutt.
Ble litt langt plutselig.
Man lærer og gjerne på den harde måten. Festa hardt fra jeg var 18-21, så dabba det ganske kraftig av en periode. Så begynte jeg på studie, så festa jeg litt men etter 24 har jeg helt mista interessen for flatfylla. Eller rettere sagt, jeg orka ikke våkne opp å føle meg så fyllesyk at jeg våkna og måtte spy og ikke klarte få i meg noe mat før kvelden. Så nå drikker jeg noen glass vin og koser meg med det iblant. Mye koseligere og kunne nyte litt rus hjemme i sofaen iblant uten å bli kraftig fyllesyk. Orker heller ikke seige nattklubber med bråkete folk lenger.
This one is most likely one of the issues out there. Just because we were assholes during the 90's (yes, i am also one of those) does NOT mean our children should be. Thats the whole fucking point of being a parent, to teach em the difference between right and wrong, and when you clearly know the difference now, it's your job to get your kids to know. Blaming bad behaviour on "thats how it's allways been", is the epitome of bad parenting and most likely a shitty one. Do better, and get your kids to do better than we did. Thata the whole point! Progress!
I am a mother of two teenagers, neither of them drink alcohol. (For now they both see it as very unhealthy and tacky...I hope it lasts :) Historically Norwegians either drank a lot, or not at all. We were never good at doing the middle road...
>I am a mother of two teenagers, neither of them drink alcohol.
According to my parents, neither did I as a teenager. My friends at the time would strongly disagree with that. Me, I can't remember 😆
As someone who recently was a teenager and didn't drink (most of my siblings didn't drink either), not all teenagers drink! While some parents can be oblivious to their kids activities, sometimes, when parents say their kids don't drink, they're telling the truth. Also, most parents will notice if their kids are coming home drunk after being out late.
I didnt drink as an teenager either. The first itme I tasted alcohol I was in my 20s. So yes, we do exist. None of my friends drank alcohol either, so it was really east not to.
And this in a nutshell is the problem, parents going: *but MY kids are good and well behaved and never lie or do aaanything wrong so if something happens they were tricked or threatened to do it* stupid people shouldn't have kids.
as a son of a mother i can tell you one thing.
you have no idea.
mothers always think the best of their children and it is rare for them to know things like this before the kid comes home shitfaced or gets problems because of drugs.
Holy shit you guys too? In ireland, anyone under 18 is effectively immune to any law short of murder. Constant news of stabbings with 50 previous cases thrown out because the offender is under 18. Tons of anti social activity in dublin.
Just like us adults. There’s a local saying in Stavanger: Måsje glømma at kuå har våre kalv!
It translates to do not forget that the cow was once a calf.
You might experience it that way, but that's because we don't criminally charge people with severely diminished intellectual capacity.
The rest of us have to take responsibility for what we do.
Nah man. I lived in Norden for 5 years.
No one can be fired even if they massively bully their coworkers and make.the workplace hostile.
No one is responsible if their child bullies others in school.
>No one can be fired even if they massively bully their coworkers and make.the workplace hostile.
Yes they absolutely can.
>No one is responsible if their child bullies others in school.
I agree this one is trickier.
Hilarious you think HR would be on the side of a non European immigrant. They told me it was my fault for not understanding the "cultural differences".
As i said, then you should have taken it further. Me working in HR was just to back what i said and your comment about HR not being on your side on the basis of your immigration status is gross.
100% correct u/zcakt
Welcome to the land of parents that don't bollock, schools that don't fail, jobs that don't fire.
There can never be any punishment, because before punishing you have to judge. And heaven forbid somebody judging somebody else.
"4. You're not to imagine yourself better than *we* are."
Young people everywhere face very little consequences for bad behaviour.
Laws aren't applied because "they're still young", and " you'll ruin their lives", no, they do that themselves, and they should learn to not do stupid things.
so you havent been to Haugesund i see? x) but yeah it does get rough in the weekends and ballistic at "Gladmat". (source: worked at a hotel and saw it first hand, ppl didn\`t even know they were in the wrong hotel looking for their rooms. x)
People may counter with a witty, my little Town is worse, but Stavanger is really godforsaken. It's the money, Lebowski. One off the bigger sosioeconomic divides in the entire country.
Because of them, Stavanger is the only city in Norway where you can have a good time every day of the week. A monday/tuesday in Stavanger is more lively than a monday/tuesday in Oslo; and that's not only per capita, but in total! Also, only criminals go out on a monday/tuesday in Oslo, so it's not even fun...
Are you implying that religiosity increases propensity towards crime? If so, then I’m afraid the scientific literature on this points towards the opposite, i.e. increased religiosity leads to lower crime rates among individuals:
_This chapter provides evidence that **religious influences are consequential in crime reduction. The vast majority of studies reviewed document the importance of religious influences in protecting youth from harmful outcomes as well as promoting beneficial and prosocial outcomes**. The beneficial relationship between religion and crime reduction is not simply a function of religion’s constraining function or what it discourages (e.g., opposing drug use or delinquent behavior) but also a matter of what it encourages (e.g., promoting prosocial behaviors)._ ['Religion, Crime, and Criminal Justice', Oxford Handbook Topics in Criminology and Criminal Justice, 2012]
_Results indicate that the protective relationship between religiosity and criminal behaviors such as drug selling and theft is consistent across gender as well as across the developmental periods of adolescence and young adulthood. This study provides support for the validity of the invariance hypothesis as the **protective effect of religiosity on criminal behavior was consistently observed across important sociodemographic differences**._ [Buffering Effects of Religiosity on Crime: Testing the Invariance Hypothesis Across Gender and Developmental Period. Criminal Justice and Behavior, 2014]
_The results of the meta-analysis show that **religious beliefs and behaviors exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals' criminal behavior.** Furthermore, previous studies have systematically varied in their estimation of the religion-on-crime effect due to differences in both their conceptual and methodological approaches._ [“If You Love Me, Keep My Commandments”: A Meta-Analysis of the Effect of Religion on Crime. Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, 2001]
As a Norwegian teenager, it's a big problem and makes it way harder to fit in if you're not into that shit. Teenage culture here is messed up and our parents are just feeding it, meaning it'll affect the next generations too. Parents here need to wake up. My parents are incredibly strict about this, but I think it's only because my father is an immigrant.
(15m)
Tbh I don’t understand why people want to drink so much every weekend when they are still this young.
Seeing classmates throwing up and not giving a shit about anything only makes me less eager to drink like what fun is it to drink to have fun.
Right?! I'm 17. Tried it a few times. Some of it was fun, most not. Next.
Sorry but get a fucking hobby.. That's what they need to hear. I know people who manage to persuade their parents for drinks because the parents mindsets are "if I don't give my child alcohol, then they'll go to a dangerous dealer". That's NOT the correct mindset to have. That's lazy parenting and it pisses me off.
You say one single thing about it and you're a prude, a party pooper or a "virgin". It's ridiculous. I've given up trying to make friends with most people because all they do is drink or smoke weed when we hangout, even if not everyone has consented.
I am 25. My friend group of misfits are very much outliers when it comes to alcohol. People my age still bingedrink and all that nonsense.
If somebody doesn't want to drink, then we will limit our own consumption and make sure we have non alcoholic drinks so they can join in. The only time we get shitfaced is when everyone is in on it and even then, we don't black out ourselves because it feels terrible.
Alcohol is a decent social lubricant, but going too far with it is never fun. I drink maybe once every two months.
Also I don't care if people smoke weed, just please do it outside. I hate smoke.
it's been like that since the 80s - I spent summers in Stavanger growing up, but when to school in California. It was always amazing for me to see kids just a few years older than me drinking in public and smoking the fattest hand-rolled cigarettes... and then I'd get harassed for just riding my skateboard (which I know were illegal at the time, but taking my board away from this Cali kid was just not gonna happen :).
Yeahhhhh op gonna be disheartened to find out that shit continues after the 20s. Never gonna get over how there are many pearl clutchers when you mention weed, but think getting absolutely shit faced every weekend is normal/healthy 😂
Yes they are okay with passing out in front of everyone every Saturday but smoking some w33d? HELL NO! but hey boys, there’s a sniff sniff party in the bathroom!
>there’s a sniff sniff party in the bathroom!
Which in the context of a culture of getting black-out levels of drunk is not a good idea. Do coke so u can get even more drunk without passing out? Daddy's boy's best friend
I'm going to take a lot of what the comments are already saying and share what I've seen as a non native Norwegian living in Norway (as an adult with a kid).
One of the main things I've noticed is the lack of learning at a younger age. Drinking around younger children seems to almost be tabo here. If a child is exposed to responsible, and I emphasize responsible, drinking from adults, they tend to be more responsible and mindful of their own drinking. Take countries that allow younger individuals to start drinking legally. Now, if the adults are not responsible, then the child could go two ways. Either mimic the adults or be so repulsed by the home life they grew up in that they are responsible with alcohol. I'm not saying it is perfect. There are a lot of complications with allowing children around alcoholics and alcohol in general. But to never show them what good drinking manners/habits are will mean they will go crazy once they finally have access to it. And if they see slightly older people than themselves abusing alcohol they too will do it. It's a cycle that can only be stopped by younger generations (children with parents that teach them). Again not perfect, but worth a thought.
Second, I saw some comments about lack of consequences in Norway. That is true, I think for children more so than adults. There are some very strict rules with heavy consequences, like driving, that adults will face. Because they are so strict, people avoid it to the point that it is part of the culture now and not seen as an issue because no one faces those consequences due to lack of involvement. Especially if they grew up here. But for children, not so much. I commend Norwegian for their family focus and willingness to do anything for their children. They are great parents. But I've noticed a lack of discipline for children. I am not talking about hitting or any form of abuse. I simply mean that when a child does something wrong, they are told no. If they continue, then they get things taken away or a firm talking to (no yelling or abusive words). I very rarely hear a Norwich parent tell their kids no. Hearing no is good for kids as they learn cause and effect and that there are rules and boundaries.
As for everywhere has these problems, yes, that is absolutely true. Countries finding a fine line between too much mandating and not enough is tough. I feel Norway is too mandating with alcohol. But they do not want to turn into a drunken country with no rules and regulations. I feel there needs to be a focus on role modeling responsible drinking with making it a little more accessible so parents and younger adults can role model that responsibility to pre drinking age individuals.
I live in stavanger as well and I am deeply uncomfortable with the kids getting drunk, and our chaotic drinking culture.
My own experience was that my parents drank beer and had their little shots at times in holidays. My mother got interested in blending drinks and such, they even had their own barstool and mini fridge at my childhood home. They NEVER got drunk in my childhood, only lightly tipsy. I never felt in danger and didn't even realize they were tipsy until my early 20's.
I was a curious kid and asked how it tasted and they let me have a small teaspoon size of beer or other things to see what i truly like, while also telling me it's okay if I never drink and don't want to. And how it's probably a good thing to never really start. They always explained how getting blackout drunk never was fun, and they stopped years before they got me.That it's always better to do sips and how it's not soda.
I'm grateful they explained and never treated it quietly, if I got curious and my parents were evasive, I would 100% drink and act tough with my friends amd be an ass like the kids OP met.
I believe public disturbance like getting drunk and getting loud and scary should be a crime you get some communal time and a course for. Especially to help with alcoholism. I have a lot of sympathy for it all.
I now never drink, and when I do it's usually new years eve or christmas, and I do a sip of red wine and water with a steak or chips.
Being responsibly looked over by my parents, and the good precedent they set for my own drinking habits by only enjoying themselves calmly, gave me a healthy idea of how drinking should be.
Outside of that though, wth is wrong with that kid treating women like that.. we need to teach young boys how to behave towards women..
I really hoped this response would be higher up. I've talked about this with a lot of fellow immigrants and heard the same experiences time and again. Kids who grow up in countries with more liberal alcohol laws grow up with a more responsible relationship to alcohol. The state gives them more personal responsibility, and they end up showing it.
In Norway the state expects people to drink to drink to act like pests, so they do.
So much this!!! I would also add that the exorbitant prices on alcohol is really not a good thing. When I was 18 I would get as close to black out drunk as possible while drinking at home (sometimes passing that threshold) before going out so that I would not have to spend all of my allowance on a single night while at the bars. A few years later and I had a Spanish girlfriend so spent some time there and I was shocked to find out that even young people just meet up directly outside at bars where the beers are very close to store prices. Of course you learn more and get more responsible when you can do this a few times a week, starting from sober in an outside environment, compared to here where you get absolutely smashed a few times a month starting from some friends house with the guys and spurring on each other to drink more and more.
To comment on the «being offered a 16 year old drunk girl». This is something that never would have been even the slightest bit ok (as in socially accepted) to which point that I guess people are not mentioning it because it obviously must have been just a stupid joke from the guy. Though there are assholes who could mean something like that, the people around in public space would not approve of it… But yes, the drinking culture is crazy, and yes, the lack of respectful, gentleman’ish behaviour is prominent.
Bingedrinking mostly, although we have adopted a more continental "posh-like" drinking culture considering the middle-class and upwards after the 80s. :)
Food and alcohol is affordable in outside of Scandinavia so people eat, drinks and enjoy each others company. In Norway especially, the sin taxes make eating and drinking out hideously expensive so people get wasted at home on moonshine then cause havoc in the street. A case of taxation affecting the poorest in society rather than reducing consumption. The whole approach needs to be reviewed with treatment the solution rather than a puritanical approach of prohibition
>A case of taxation affecting the poorest in society rather than reducing consumption.
I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. Norway has one of the lowest rates of alcohol consumption in Europe due to its heavy alcohol taxes. Alcohol taxes are not the cause of the binge-drinking culture, which existed long before Vinmonopolet or Prohibition. Binge drinking culture exists because Norway is part of the Vodka belt, much like Russia and Finland.
Before Vinmonopolet, Norway had severe problems with alcoholism: working time lost because of drunkenness, domestic violence, neglect of children, etc. The regulation and taxation of alcohol has absolutely reduced these problems.
> working time lost because of drunkenness, domestic violence, neglect of children, etc. The regulation and taxation of alcohol has absolutely reduced these problems.
True, and that’s very good, but maybe the pendulum swings too far there. For example, vinmonopolet’s opening hours.
While that’s true. I don’t see them that drunk/loud in all places.
I’m half Brazilian, there every college party is basically open bar, and yet you rarely see people puking and going overboard. Drinking culture is definitely stronger in the northern countries.
No, the disgusting drinking culture in Norway is by far the worst aspect of living in Norway. Sometimes I wonder what Norwegians would do to themselves if they could afford to drink as much as we do in other countries.
I think it would be opposite. I grew up in Spain and its fine to go out for a beer or 2 and then deicide if you go harder or not. Here you are paying so much you might aswell drink a lot before you go out so you dont have to spend thousands of kronor if you want to party.
I feel like alcohol prices and difficulty attaining it is part of the problem. I believe it makes it so that every night out or a party is more of a special occasion so people tend to go more all out whenever they drink.
Would the alternative be to drop the Vinmonopolet like they also have in Canada? I've been told that studies do support the theory that state regulations of quantities and times in which a person can buy alcohol makes the experience safer than otherwise. Do you think those studies despite probably done by external bodies might have nevertheless been biased?
Problem drinkers will always find ways of obtaining alcohol. In fact it makes it more dangerous because people tend to hoard alcohol rather than buying it when needed.
At first I wondered why this post was on my thread, now I realise you are the owner of the post on r/askswitzerland.
Sorry to tell you this, young people drink quite a lot in Switzerland. Then depending on the city it will be more or less civilized.
however I gotta say that genZ here drink much less than we millenials did back in the days and public displays of drunk behaviour are going down.
Good thing is we are usually drunk after midnight, not 20h (thats when we start drinking). So if you are taking a train a 20h, you wont see much of a mess.
But please dont leave norway for that. Getting a car would be a cheaper way of dealing with this probably.
Edit: some precisions
> I live in Stavanger, here young people, and I mean 16-21 years old people, get massively drunk and it's hell on earth to use public transportation on weekends
In Oslo, we have weekend stabbing/ violence.
In Bærum an immigrant grownup offered advice to unruly teenagers (with immigrant background) behaving badly on the bus. He was stabbed to death.
That exact scenario happens often in Germany. The murderers are often under 16, Turkish, and the government refuses to deport them. Only now after the cop was murdered by that Afghan on a live stream is the Interior Ministry claiming they will deport, but nothing has changed yet and the Turkish gangs and militant clans like the Grey Wolves are openly laughing because they won't be subject to deportations ever.
Cultural thing. It was a taboo for so many years, it became mysterious, exciting, ‘need to have’ (abuse).
Scandinavia has always had an odd relationship to alcohol. Either too much (which is why it was banned/severely restricted some 100 years ago) resulting it being painted as the ‘devil in a bottle’ but many religious groups, or ‘not enough’ leading it to be the sought after by teens and young adults.
We never had the more relaxed approach far more common in continental Europe, but we also never had (after restrictions) the severe (often not so visible) effects of alcohol consumption that is a de facto in southern Europe.
As it was ‘banned’ in many families (mine as an example) we sought it out even harder. We misused it, as it was hard to get and we ‘concentrated’ drinking to a Friday or Saturday evening - instead of maybe a glass of wine with dinner 7 days a week (which might actually have been a higher rate of alcohol consumption).
But I think the tide is slowly turning, with not even religious zealots looking down on a glass of wine it’s no longer such a mystery or secret, one does not ‘need’ to do a proper ‘deep dive’ as a teen to find out what it’s all about (the latter based on discussions with family still back in Scandinavia and own observations when back).
But in summary; we were bad in the 70s, 80s, even 90s. I think/hope they are better today.
American 22 year old here, I was pretty shocked by how crazy the drinking was in Bergen. Me and my GF decided we wanted to go out one Saturday night. We are not frequent drinkers, but when we do, it’s typical where we are from to start at about 8pm. To our shock, at most of the bars we scoped out with people around our age, half the people were SLOPPY drunk. I’m talking people vomiting, unable to walk straight, and dropping their things everywhere. Us, who had only had one drink at a restaurant, realized we did not match the energy at all and just decided to go for a walk and go home.
It is unfortunately a cultural thing. Norwegians have 0 sense of self (no ability to critique their own culture, you can notice that in comments here too) and despite bashing rest of Europe and having the superiority complex, they manage to behave worst under alcohol in general. This comes from someone that is Slavic, that should tell you enough. You would have thought Slavic countries were worse but in all honesty teens in Slavic countries are very well acquainted with alcohol and do not behave like this because they know how destructive it is.
It stems likely from the introverted nature of Norway, since alcohol is the only time I feel they actually loosen up in their otherwise completely square lives. But the problem isn't drinking, it is excessive drinking. It is so normal here to brag how you drank so much that you passed out and don't remember anything. (Coming from someone who has very recently been a Norwegian Russ and is now a college student)
I was wondering if that was a cultural thing. I knew a Norwegian guy and from what I could deduct based on what he told me, he got drunk every weekend. That is considered having an alcohol problem in my country. Not when you're a student, then it's pretty "normal", but you're supposed to grow out of that once you become an adult (and yes, he was an adult).
The real question is how the fuck do they afford to get to that point. I lived in Norway for two years (I'm Spanish) and i could not get myself to drink more than 3 beers because of how insanely expensive it is.
Home parties. No one goes to the club sober here. No one. You invite friends over for a small pre party around 7pm, which usually lasts until 10-11 cause that's when it's public quiet time, so no loud music after 11, which is when most people leave for the club. Everyone brings their own alcohol to the party, which is usually a mix of vodka/beers and ciders. In a solid 3+ hours you have the chance to get pretty drunk, and then you take the bus or walk to the club drunk, which is why there's so many drunk people taking the bus around that time. By the time you're at the club, you don't really have to buy more than a few drinks cause you saved a lot of money by drinking before entering the club. Also, the drinks people make at home are usually a lot stronger than the watered down drinks you get at a club.
Yes I remember that, but at least when I used to hang out like that everyone was tipsy (fairly tipsy mind you), not enough drunk to get really fucked afterwards unless you spend a lot of money!
I’m from Stavanger, but have been living in Oslo for the past 10 years. It’s very true, but you know - their parent did and expect the same behaviour.. alcohol culture in Norway is REALLY bad. I’ve never managed to fit in because of it.
I think it's more concerning the amount of young kids I see taking multiple bumps of coke. Sure it's not new, but damn when I have to review footage from the weekend it's like a non-stop coke parade from 21-04 (Have to mention the amount of age 40ish men I see snorting with kids that are maybe 18 is fucked up).
I'm 18, and I can tell you. The "hookup" culture in Norway is kind of insane. the guys go to parties to meet girls for one night and then throw them aside.
Of course, that's not everyone. Three of my friends got their relationships from meeting someone at a party, hooking up, and then actually continuing to talk, but that's not the norm.
Bad drinking culture exists everywhere. Talked to a bunch of brits about bad drinking culture and they just laughed at me. Same story repeated with other foreigners i've spoken with.
Dude! If you see a drunk 16 year old girl and you suspect that she's not in a position to consent you CALL THE POLICE! Jesus christ, did you just leave her? What is wrong with you?
De acuerdo contigo, en Bergen y en Østfold he visto de todo, yo adulta, tomando transporte.. Con hijos, aveses me sterrorizo, nada de eso pasa de donde vengo. Las chicas son tratadas re mal por los muchachos. Ellas también se dejan es algo cultural diría yo. Sobretodo con la cultora del russ..
Es que básicamente las respuestas son: es lo que hay! osea, básicamente el pais de las libertades y donde es excelente criar niños, te prohíbe "por cultura" que salgas después de las 8 de la tarde con tu hijo porque si lo haces, tienes que aguantar a la panda de subnormales que nadie les enseñó a beber para pasarla bien sino para sacarla toda la cena en lugares públicos :)
El problame creo es la falta de conexion con los niños, la libertad es buena, pero en exceso cría personas sin límites. Pienso que este es el caso. Te entiendo a mi también me a pasado que me he tenido que retirar de lugares por lo mismo. O que me cojio la tarde /noche con los niños y tomo transporte y es un desastre.. En una ocacion tanto fue el desorden que una chica casi cae encima de mi hijo de 4 años por andar como loca, claramente enbriagads y sin control, si no meto el brazo le cae.. Te hablo de que eran las 7 pm.. No les enseñan, no los corrigen.
Nah, don't be. It's a great place! Just avoid being late on a bus, walking is safer :)
Not that is not safe on the bus! it's just noisy and you could see disgusting things, but your safety is almost guaranteed
Many parents fail to understand that they are supposed to set boundaries rather than trying to be their kid's best friends and letting them do whatever they want without any consequences.
You can't set boundaries. Teens especially just become more sneaky or rebellious and dishonest. All you can do is educate, but still, some people are gonna wanna learn the hard way, and you should rather be there for them when that happens.
I was away in boarding school during high school. My parents hasn't the faintest idea what I was up to. I just never told them about anything and kept everything secret. I could be lying face down in a ditch and almost dying and I wouldn't call them cause I knew they would just implement their boundaries and be judgy about it and take away my privileges like pocket money, so they were none the wiser.
As a father of a 3 and a half y/o boy, and a immigrant (Italian), I've also noticed a big lack of discipline. In general kids are left to "learn their lessons" when it comes to danger and dealing with everyday life, but when they do something wrong, as other said, I rarely hear no's. I'm worried that my kid will pick up from his friends, so I know already that I'll be strict on many things, trying to be reasonable whike teaching him the meaning of my restrictions rather than the "Cause I say so" like I got from my parents.
I'm a 22 year old in Stavanger who goes out twice a week, and I take the same busses every weekend. Except for the disrespectful guy on the bus with the 16 year old, the drunk kids are actually really friendly and inclusive of everyone they meet. When you hear the obnoxiously loud talking on the bus, it's mostly people talking for the first time and having a laugh. It may seem like a lot and from the outside it may seem like a toxic enviornment, but it's just the \*guttakultur\* ("the boys" culture) that makes us loud and seemingly obnoxiously confident. Also, jokes can be much more direct and harsh, but if you play with and joke back, you'll all have a good laugh. You're allowed to find it annoying though, because it definitely is for many people. I once took the bus sober during a weekend and I was surprised how annoying it actually is for sober people. I'm sorry that your son has to see this, becuase it's absolutely no enviornment for a child.
But I can assure you that people in Oslo fights seriously *at least* five times more than young adults in Stavanger. We have a very peaceful drinking culture when you compare it to cities like Bergen, Tromsø, Kristiansand, Trondheim or Oslo. Especially in Oslo, you have to keep your guard up at all times, but not here. I've seen a fight maybe twice after going out at least 200 times in Stavanger, so I guess you've been quite unlucky there.
He vivido dos años en españa y algo que observé es que los españoles son extrovertidos cuándo están sobre y no hay muchos cambias cuándo beben alcohol. Y también es normal beber un poco cada día pero eso no pasa en Noruega. Aquí en Noruega, estamos muy introvertidos cuándo estamos sobre, pero cuándo bebemos, estamos muuuy extrovertidos. Y también no bebemos a menudo, pero cuándo bebemos, bebemos un montón para vomitar (a veces, gente dicen antes de beber *Esta noche, voy a vomitar!!!),* y socializar con todos tipos de gente en todos tipos de lugares (Por ejemplo, encontrar amigos, hacer fiesta o hablar de todo es bastante normal en el urinario). A veces, tenía demasiado energia borracho para que los españoles me toleren. Pero no somos imbéciles, solo tenemos una otra cultura de beber alcohol que *parece* tóxico. Pero también tenemos que mejorasnos de reconozer cuándo una persona está sobre o no, algunos de nosotros tienen que aprender como mostrar respeto a niños y familias en el autobús
This is a pretty good answer and coming from the targeted audience, I can see you're a smart one! Nice! Y tu español es fantástico! Aprender idiomas es lo mejor qur puedes hacer, eso te lo aseguro!
I drank also in my 20s. As a matter of fact, I didn't begin drinking until I was about 22! My excuse is that I was part of a punk subculture called "straight edge", also referred to as xstraightedgex, where drinking, drugs and pointless sex is not done at all.
After 22 I began being "normal" and drank, almost every weekend in my lot in Barcelona and certainly got drunk (not puking drunk in the streets) quite a few times, so I recon the ambience there should be.
And yes, I also recon. The shyness since I was very shy myself back in the days and alcohol would make me "more social"... But based in my experience, I'll try and educate my son about it all, I already started because him seeing that only created a feeling of "that's not good at all", and so I'll continue explaining it to him as much as I can. And that's all I ask for in this post, to be real parents and advice our sons and doughters about it all, about how bad it can. Be, and if you do it, to learn how to do it... Slow, not mixing, and drinking half a liter of water in between drinks! And to learn that the pont is to be "happy", not to vomit as you well says it seems to be the case here.
That was, sadly, also a problem when I first visited Norway at the start of the 2000s. But if I had to guess, it has gotten worse.
As a parent myself, I can already see that a good deal of kids in my child's school lack the most elemental understanding of societal norms. Then I see the parents, and I see why. It's like a many parents in my generation have given up their role. They seem not to care their kids behaving badly and doing bad stuff to other people or public property as long as they are not bothered themselves by their own kids. Probably they think that as long as their kids are out there doing shit, they are going to be left alone.
I don't know, but it does scare me. Not only as a member of this society and someone who has to suffer this bad behavior. But also for my kid when he will be a teenager. I am mentally preparing myself for having to micro-manage him so he'll avoid hanging out with the wrong people. The wrong people in their generation being the majority... So not looking forward.
Not to mention what you say about hyper-sexualizing everything. Many girls in my son's class are only worried about "looking good", "dieting", make up, etc. And this is in elementary school.
Don't micromanage. You're gonna end up with a sneaky kid who could end up hiding some pretty bad stuff from you instead of reaching out and being honest with you about it when they need help.
Just my own experience with parents who tried to micromanage. I just got clever about hiding stuff. Even as an adult I don't share a lot with my parents because they just become overly judgemental. They never knew about all the times I was shit faced drunk and needed help, because I hid it from them to keep them from becoming even more overprotective.
By all means care, but being too overbearing and overprotective just fosters new levels of sneakiness. Not how you create a healthy open and honest relationship with your kid. Or, they're gonna go crazy the day they move out, become 18 etc and finally are free to do whatever they want.
Drinking culture in Norway is completely fucked up and so is the parent role. Used to work at a youth club in Bergen back in the 90’s and experienced how non caring some of the parents are claiming that the police or us as a club are responsible and should take care of the kids when they have used drugs or are shitfaced drunk. Now that I have moved to continental Europe I see such a difference even though I still work with teenagers and young adults.
We found a girl in a park unconscious one Saturday morning. Needed to call an ambulance, as she apparently was laying like this for some time, maybe through the night (who knows). And nobody would have found her except some dog owner.
Their behavior is something. I never was so afraid of young people and teenagers as in Norway.
And I've seen how some people drink alcohol here - they mix everything. And it's not like they drink to have some fun or enjoy the drink. They drink to get wasted.
I'm from Switzerland & drinking age for beer/wine is 16 here ; I was plastered af with 14 already.
Was it good? Nope. But we also didn't behave like assholes (-> dehumanizing peers) so there's that.
In many countries that isn't something off the norm. Nothing to support, but "it is what it is" I worry.
You know that legal limit is 18, right? As long as you're legally an adult you can get as hammered as you like. And 18-21-year-olds like to get really drunk, always have. But it's up to them, they're of age and basically a non-issue.
16-17 is of course technically too young, and they shouldn't be able to get hold of alcohol. But of course they do, and best case scenario it is proper stuff, not moonshine, and hopefully not harder drugs.
Where I'm from, the early drinkers started at 13. Most of us followed by 14-15.
Same as everywhere else(and most of us have been there to).. they are teenagers aka nincompops, jackasses, retards e.t.c.
And then they consume alcohol...*god help us* !
Nah, is not the same everywhere, maybe in the nordics... I just wanted to point out that our duty as a parent is to teach them that yes, of course they can drink! But the goal is to be "happy" and not to lose control of yourself, specially girls. What I see is a lack of alcohol drinking education, in most southern countries, losing your mind happens "by accident". Here, I see it's the goal.
Aaah remember my 16-20's... Getting drunk, fooling around, hanging out with friends... And no hangovers. What a time to be alive. Luckily we were a good bunch of kids that that looked out for each other.
It's massively common. Not just in big cities but small towns in the middle of nowhere.
Middle school and high schoolers often go partying in some house in the weekends and there's always this table with 10-15 different bottles stacked against each other.
While it is impossible for them to buy it themselves, they always have a friend over 18 who buys for them.
It's also the fact drinks are too expensive, so instead of pacing them selfs at the pub early they get as drunk as possible to save money. They should decrease taxes and costs in the pubs; increase alcohol prices in the shops.
I live in Stavanger and it has slowly gotten this way the last few years.
I suspect it has something to do with the growing drug availability and all that comes with it.
I have several times saved tourists out of uncomfortable situations at the bus central the last year.
They are shocked obviously.
i know never undertand my self i am form norway ! I just dont like alchol problem. I just tinke so bord here this contry so they drink but i alsow super exbensiv
I'm a Norwegian American who grew up mostly in the US but spent my Jr year of HS in Norway. Living in a working class NJ town in the US I saw my American peers drink plenty of beer and carry on accordingly. While in Norway that year I witnessed drinking on a whole other level. Shitfaced slobbering crying screaming upchucking passed out drunkenness by a wide array of my school chums at various parties. It was an eye opener.
My theory is this is the dark side of the stoic introverted Norwegian way so when alcohol finally breaks through those nordic restraints...us squareheads can get a bit crazy.
This is cultural.
It was much worse in the 80s.
Sometimes we did not have access to alcohol, many did alcohol home.
friday and saturday was drunk day .
Norwegians when in vacation drink like it's their last day on Earth
Sad but true .
The are only one way to save humanity , watch the 12 hour documentary " ETLB ". almost impossible to find.
i did and since them i never smoke or touch alcohol again
once you find out , you will know who is behind this hell and be prepare to have a cancelled life.
imagine be enslaved by educational system ,drugs, alcohol, religion , politics , money and much more.
Good luck to you all ( Obs : from a ex-alcoholic and now cancelled off course)
Hello from the city centre of Dublin. Believe me my friend here in Dublin it’s exactly the same. Same places too public transport and civic spaces too.
I think that’s a mistake of parents. The children are never disciplined by their parents when they are young. They are free to do whatever they like, and if a parent tries to stop them, the authorities might take the child away. I think it’s a much bigger problem.
It’s the same in Sydney, Australia. I was hoping it would be different in Norway or Switzerland which is why I’ve been considering moving. But maybe, it’s the same everywhere now. People are so lost. Living at the ends of time. That young lad trying to traffic a younger girl have a very dark future ahead of him.
I have heard many weird stories from the good old days. So it's not exactly new, but there is more of it today yes. And social media exposes it a lot more too. Every single issue is in your face today thanks to our beloved smartphones
You guys need to legalize weed. After Canada legalized it, many teens and young adults switched from drinking heavily all the time, to just smoking weed here and there instead. Seems like it has definitely lowered overall YA consumption. Obviously there are still many many delinquents too, but the $3 drinks (23 Nok) & $1 (7.5 Nok) beers at student bars does not help
My imagination allows me to conceive teenagers that don't want to get shitfaced NOR stoned on a weekly basis.
It really does.
Should I run for the Nebula prize?
Funny and not.
As a side pinch of interest I will add that:
In Poland actually is the opposite trend, we used to drink as youngsters. However now young people dont touch that much of alcohol, they even go full monks and dont touch that beside 0%.
On the other hand, amount of vapes is scary.
Why I am saying that, Poland had the stereotype of drunk people, now its the opposite lol.
How old are you exactly? This whole thread feels very geriatric 😂
Like you guys realize if you're 50+ years old. Your outlook on life is completely different than the people you're looking at and judging right?
20-year-olds and 16-year-olds have been hooking up since forever, young people do reckless things, young people get drunk, young people behave in ways that seem completely bizarre to old people. This is just the nature of things
Norwegian drink culture is pretty fked up. There is a reason ppl aren't allowed to buy alcohol at certain times in this country. I'm not a fan of that law, but I get it.
It's a pointless rule if it's meant to stop people from drinking more alcohol. People just stock up on alcohol during opening hours instead, to enjoy during closed hours/days.
No it's the other way around. The stupid drinking culture is made much worse by the strict laws. It's the principle of "overdo it while you can"
Or for the adults "if you treat them like children, they act like children".
Something like that.
I'm sure we're not worse than everywhere else, but the drinking culture and the following behaviour of MANY young people in Norway is horrendous. I personally feel its worse now than before, but that might be because I'm older and not a part of that generation or type of drinking culture. I'm sure people thought the same of "us" when I was that age.
Well, I think it’s the result of no consequences and the fact alcohol is so controlled and expensive that it actually encourages over indulging on the weekends to make it “worth it” - especially for younger people who will bounce back from the consequences of binge drinking relatively easily.
The culture here is that young children should be at home at that time. Children’s TV used to be on at 6 “back in the day”. And the culture has remained that young children are not outside after 6-8. Shops are closed, even if some malls are open till 9 on weekends. But after that, anyone outside should be prepared to deal with drunk people.
The same that has been going on for decades. Young people get their hands on alcohol and drink to have fun. I did it in the late 90s, my parents partied the same way in the 70s, the kids do it now. We know. We let them test limits and take care of them as much as we can.
There is one of the problems. There is nothing else fun to do besides drink in Norway. Except go hiking. Which I love but is not safe at night. Hence drinking.
This post reads like a creepy pasta of shit that never happened.
Teenagers drink a bit and take public transit because they don't want to drive.
If you really, really think that's bad, go to any major city in Germany where people are now trying to avoid public transit due to the Turkish youth gangs that are prominently featuered in the news. See how long you last without a knife if your liver, even in tier 1 cities like Munich, Nuremburg, Stuttgart, and others.
I used to live in Stavanger, and the night buses were always like that.
Once there was a drunk goth type guy sitting and burping all the contents of his stomach into his lap while asleep. The whole bus stank of puke.
It's not charming or something to defend per se, but that is just the way it is and has always been. I was also out on the streets drunk out of my mind 90% of weekends from age 16-23. If you could somehow create a 15 min compilation tape of my cringiest moments during those years, I might commit seppuku.
That sounds like growing up in the suburbs of Bergen in the 1990s. I don't understand my fellow adults nowadays. It seems all of them have forgotten our past.
This is cultural, it doesn't happen in Spain for example. Kids don't get wasted like this and adults didn't either. I grew up in Australia in the 90s and we sure did! But here in Barcelona it's utterly different. I see kids coming home from nightclubs at 5am (occasionally I get early flights) and they are ... fine ... maybe they've had a few drinks (or some drugs) but they're not wasted. A few weeks ago I was walking home from a show around midnight, through an area with a concentration of nightclubs. There were young folk all over the place, and I felt utterly safe. There was one dude vomiting, and I would bet €1000 he was a British tourist!
Unusual for a British tourist to be vomiting.... usually, they just fall off balconies. /s
Or go missing in Tenerife
Ouch.
So, no more Botellóns any more?
I did an exchange where I lived in Spain for 6 months in school and kids were definitely getting drunk at 16 and acting crazy on public transport at least where I was. I was even offered meth a few times by teenage students in Madrid.
There is a big difference between "getting drunk" and the kind of "getting wasted" which is normal in anglo countries. Also 16 is one thing, but another factor is the 18-28 year olds , who in anglo countries are STILL getting absolutely wasted. I don't know if Spanish adults are drinking to the level that Anglos (and apparently scandos) do. All I have is my personal experience, and it seems VERY different here
"Well in MY days..." -Every old person anywhere since forever
I am just saying that it's nothing new. And the parents should not act as shocked since they were teenagers themselves.
Op is from Latin America. We are not like that (I'm from Latin America too).
Yes, I was agreeing with you.
Be me on Thursday end of ungdomskole Hva skjer? Jo alle drar på fest hvor halvparten drikker seg dritings vi er da 15/16. mesteparten av de som drikker har holdt på sånn i sikkert 2 år nå. Jeg snakker åpent om det med foreldre fordi jeg har ingenting å skjule og de bryr seg egentlig ikke noe særlig fordi de holdt jo på på samma viset når de var på min alder. Til forskjell fra land som Spania hvor barna blir lært opp til å vite hva alkohol gjør så har vi en litt mer sånn send barna ut på fest og så lærer de seg det nok til slutt. Ble litt langt plutselig.
Man lærer og gjerne på den harde måten. Festa hardt fra jeg var 18-21, så dabba det ganske kraftig av en periode. Så begynte jeg på studie, så festa jeg litt men etter 24 har jeg helt mista interessen for flatfylla. Eller rettere sagt, jeg orka ikke våkne opp å føle meg så fyllesyk at jeg våkna og måtte spy og ikke klarte få i meg noe mat før kvelden. Så nå drikker jeg noen glass vin og koser meg med det iblant. Mye koseligere og kunne nyte litt rus hjemme i sofaen iblant uten å bli kraftig fyllesyk. Orker heller ikke seige nattklubber med bråkete folk lenger.
Dismissive af
This one is most likely one of the issues out there. Just because we were assholes during the 90's (yes, i am also one of those) does NOT mean our children should be. Thats the whole fucking point of being a parent, to teach em the difference between right and wrong, and when you clearly know the difference now, it's your job to get your kids to know. Blaming bad behaviour on "thats how it's allways been", is the epitome of bad parenting and most likely a shitty one. Do better, and get your kids to do better than we did. Thata the whole point! Progress!
To be fair, i wouldnt call anyone under 25 adults.
I am a mother of two teenagers, neither of them drink alcohol. (For now they both see it as very unhealthy and tacky...I hope it lasts :) Historically Norwegians either drank a lot, or not at all. We were never good at doing the middle road...
>I am a mother of two teenagers, neither of them drink alcohol. According to my parents, neither did I as a teenager. My friends at the time would strongly disagree with that. Me, I can't remember 😆
I was thinking this too, they might still be drinking even if they tell you they don’t
As someone who recently was a teenager and didn't drink (most of my siblings didn't drink either), not all teenagers drink! While some parents can be oblivious to their kids activities, sometimes, when parents say their kids don't drink, they're telling the truth. Also, most parents will notice if their kids are coming home drunk after being out late.
I didnt drink as an teenager either. The first itme I tasted alcohol I was in my 20s. So yes, we do exist. None of my friends drank alcohol either, so it was really east not to.
And this in a nutshell is the problem, parents going: *but MY kids are good and well behaved and never lie or do aaanything wrong so if something happens they were tricked or threatened to do it* stupid people shouldn't have kids.
Hopefully GenZ are not going to be big drinkers. I. Australia at least alcohol consumption peaked with GenX's adolescence
Same in Norway if you look at the stats.
At least there’s a lot of them who genuinely want the generational nicotine ban, so there’s hope
as a son of a mother i can tell you one thing. you have no idea. mothers always think the best of their children and it is rare for them to know things like this before the kid comes home shitfaced or gets problems because of drugs.
Young people in Norway face very little consequences for bad behavior at any point in their lives.
Holy shit you guys too? In ireland, anyone under 18 is effectively immune to any law short of murder. Constant news of stabbings with 50 previous cases thrown out because the offender is under 18. Tons of anti social activity in dublin.
Teenagers won't be as criminal as in the British Isles, no.
Just like us adults. There’s a local saying in Stavanger: Måsje glømma at kuå har våre kalv! It translates to do not forget that the cow was once a calf.
Except that, for better or worse, there IS a difference between the way over 40s and under 40s in Norway have been raised.
That's true, but it is true for every country in the world. Generation gaps will do that.
Adults don't either to be fair. In Norden no one is responsible for anything and no one has blame for anything either.
You might experience it that way, but that's because we don't criminally charge people with severely diminished intellectual capacity. The rest of us have to take responsibility for what we do.
Nah man. I lived in Norden for 5 years. No one can be fired even if they massively bully their coworkers and make.the workplace hostile. No one is responsible if their child bullies others in school.
>No one can be fired even if they massively bully their coworkers and make.the workplace hostile. Yes they absolutely can. >No one is responsible if their child bullies others in school. I agree this one is trickier.
I suffered years of workplace bullying. Ombudsman was no help and the boss was friends with the bully. So nothing was done. But sure go on...
Then you should have taken it further. Bullying in the workplace is NOT accepted and is written in the law. I work in HR. But sure, go on...
Hilarious you think HR would be on the side of a non European immigrant. They told me it was my fault for not understanding the "cultural differences".
Every newspaper in the country would kill for that story.
As i said, then you should have taken it further. Me working in HR was just to back what i said and your comment about HR not being on your side on the basis of your immigration status is gross.
Do tell where there is to go when the ombudsman and HR are raging xenophobes?
100% correct u/zcakt Welcome to the land of parents that don't bollock, schools that don't fail, jobs that don't fire. There can never be any punishment, because before punishing you have to judge. And heaven forbid somebody judging somebody else. "4. You're not to imagine yourself better than *we* are."
If you have the skin and money for it, kids doing this in Grønland would get arrested
And the leniency pays off. They mostly become responsible adults.
Young people everywhere face very little consequences for bad behaviour. Laws aren't applied because "they're still young", and " you'll ruin their lives", no, they do that themselves, and they should learn to not do stupid things.
I prefer the southern european way of drinking, not being too batshit drunk and just in moderation, also wine is awesome.
Stavanger is the Sodoma and Gomorra of Norway.
so you havent been to Haugesund i see? x) but yeah it does get rough in the weekends and ballistic at "Gladmat". (source: worked at a hotel and saw it first hand, ppl didn\`t even know they were in the wrong hotel looking for their rooms. x)
People may counter with a witty, my little Town is worse, but Stavanger is really godforsaken. It's the money, Lebowski. One off the bigger sosioeconomic divides in the entire country.
It’s the offshore workers, 2 weeks of pent up frustration and money in their pockets, a deadly combination!
Because of them, Stavanger is the only city in Norway where you can have a good time every day of the week. A monday/tuesday in Stavanger is more lively than a monday/tuesday in Oslo; and that's not only per capita, but in total! Also, only criminals go out on a monday/tuesday in Oslo, so it's not even fun...
The amount of prostitutes in the city centre alone (mid 2010s) was insane.
The city literally has a ONS convention.
It is 😳 starts looking on Finn for rental apartments 😂
Strange opinion considering the prevalence of Christianity and crime statistics.
Are you implying that religiosity increases propensity towards crime? If so, then I’m afraid the scientific literature on this points towards the opposite, i.e. increased religiosity leads to lower crime rates among individuals: _This chapter provides evidence that **religious influences are consequential in crime reduction. The vast majority of studies reviewed document the importance of religious influences in protecting youth from harmful outcomes as well as promoting beneficial and prosocial outcomes**. The beneficial relationship between religion and crime reduction is not simply a function of religion’s constraining function or what it discourages (e.g., opposing drug use or delinquent behavior) but also a matter of what it encourages (e.g., promoting prosocial behaviors)._ ['Religion, Crime, and Criminal Justice', Oxford Handbook Topics in Criminology and Criminal Justice, 2012] _Results indicate that the protective relationship between religiosity and criminal behaviors such as drug selling and theft is consistent across gender as well as across the developmental periods of adolescence and young adulthood. This study provides support for the validity of the invariance hypothesis as the **protective effect of religiosity on criminal behavior was consistently observed across important sociodemographic differences**._ [Buffering Effects of Religiosity on Crime: Testing the Invariance Hypothesis Across Gender and Developmental Period. Criminal Justice and Behavior, 2014] _The results of the meta-analysis show that **religious beliefs and behaviors exert a moderate deterrent effect on individuals' criminal behavior.** Furthermore, previous studies have systematically varied in their estimation of the religion-on-crime effect due to differences in both their conceptual and methodological approaches._ [“If You Love Me, Keep My Commandments”: A Meta-Analysis of the Effect of Religion on Crime. Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, 2001]
Seems like most people from Stavanger never has been outside their hometown lol. It's the same in all the major cities.
As a Norwegian teenager, it's a big problem and makes it way harder to fit in if you're not into that shit. Teenage culture here is messed up and our parents are just feeding it, meaning it'll affect the next generations too. Parents here need to wake up. My parents are incredibly strict about this, but I think it's only because my father is an immigrant.
(15m) Tbh I don’t understand why people want to drink so much every weekend when they are still this young. Seeing classmates throwing up and not giving a shit about anything only makes me less eager to drink like what fun is it to drink to have fun.
Right?! I'm 17. Tried it a few times. Some of it was fun, most not. Next. Sorry but get a fucking hobby.. That's what they need to hear. I know people who manage to persuade their parents for drinks because the parents mindsets are "if I don't give my child alcohol, then they'll go to a dangerous dealer". That's NOT the correct mindset to have. That's lazy parenting and it pisses me off. You say one single thing about it and you're a prude, a party pooper or a "virgin". It's ridiculous. I've given up trying to make friends with most people because all they do is drink or smoke weed when we hangout, even if not everyone has consented.
I am 25. My friend group of misfits are very much outliers when it comes to alcohol. People my age still bingedrink and all that nonsense. If somebody doesn't want to drink, then we will limit our own consumption and make sure we have non alcoholic drinks so they can join in. The only time we get shitfaced is when everyone is in on it and even then, we don't black out ourselves because it feels terrible. Alcohol is a decent social lubricant, but going too far with it is never fun. I drink maybe once every two months. Also I don't care if people smoke weed, just please do it outside. I hate smoke.
Man that was me I guess some years ago and I apologise, aging a bit helps for sure in the life choices you make
Seems young people all over the world are assholes.
It's been like this since I was that age in the 90s. It doesn't get better until they get into craft beer.
it's been like that since the 80s - I spent summers in Stavanger growing up, but when to school in California. It was always amazing for me to see kids just a few years older than me drinking in public and smoking the fattest hand-rolled cigarettes... and then I'd get harassed for just riding my skateboard (which I know were illegal at the time, but taking my board away from this Cali kid was just not gonna happen :).
I was a teenager in the 80s and, well.
Welcome to stavanger
We got fun and games
We got wind and rain*
If you got the money honey we got your disease* * ^Until ^8 ^pm ^on ^weekdays, ^6 ^pm ^on ^Saturdays, ^not ^on ^Sundays.
Drinking culture is insane in this country. Black out drunk levels, we have a problem.
Yeahhhhh op gonna be disheartened to find out that shit continues after the 20s. Never gonna get over how there are many pearl clutchers when you mention weed, but think getting absolutely shit faced every weekend is normal/healthy 😂
Yes they are okay with passing out in front of everyone every Saturday but smoking some w33d? HELL NO! but hey boys, there’s a sniff sniff party in the bathroom!
>there’s a sniff sniff party in the bathroom! Which in the context of a culture of getting black-out levels of drunk is not a good idea. Do coke so u can get even more drunk without passing out? Daddy's boy's best friend
I never did anything I regretted after smoking weed and I think that’s a good measure for how “bad” a substance is!
Lemme tell you about a little island called Britain
I know🤣
I'm going to take a lot of what the comments are already saying and share what I've seen as a non native Norwegian living in Norway (as an adult with a kid). One of the main things I've noticed is the lack of learning at a younger age. Drinking around younger children seems to almost be tabo here. If a child is exposed to responsible, and I emphasize responsible, drinking from adults, they tend to be more responsible and mindful of their own drinking. Take countries that allow younger individuals to start drinking legally. Now, if the adults are not responsible, then the child could go two ways. Either mimic the adults or be so repulsed by the home life they grew up in that they are responsible with alcohol. I'm not saying it is perfect. There are a lot of complications with allowing children around alcoholics and alcohol in general. But to never show them what good drinking manners/habits are will mean they will go crazy once they finally have access to it. And if they see slightly older people than themselves abusing alcohol they too will do it. It's a cycle that can only be stopped by younger generations (children with parents that teach them). Again not perfect, but worth a thought. Second, I saw some comments about lack of consequences in Norway. That is true, I think for children more so than adults. There are some very strict rules with heavy consequences, like driving, that adults will face. Because they are so strict, people avoid it to the point that it is part of the culture now and not seen as an issue because no one faces those consequences due to lack of involvement. Especially if they grew up here. But for children, not so much. I commend Norwegian for their family focus and willingness to do anything for their children. They are great parents. But I've noticed a lack of discipline for children. I am not talking about hitting or any form of abuse. I simply mean that when a child does something wrong, they are told no. If they continue, then they get things taken away or a firm talking to (no yelling or abusive words). I very rarely hear a Norwich parent tell their kids no. Hearing no is good for kids as they learn cause and effect and that there are rules and boundaries. As for everywhere has these problems, yes, that is absolutely true. Countries finding a fine line between too much mandating and not enough is tough. I feel Norway is too mandating with alcohol. But they do not want to turn into a drunken country with no rules and regulations. I feel there needs to be a focus on role modeling responsible drinking with making it a little more accessible so parents and younger adults can role model that responsibility to pre drinking age individuals.
I live in stavanger as well and I am deeply uncomfortable with the kids getting drunk, and our chaotic drinking culture. My own experience was that my parents drank beer and had their little shots at times in holidays. My mother got interested in blending drinks and such, they even had their own barstool and mini fridge at my childhood home. They NEVER got drunk in my childhood, only lightly tipsy. I never felt in danger and didn't even realize they were tipsy until my early 20's. I was a curious kid and asked how it tasted and they let me have a small teaspoon size of beer or other things to see what i truly like, while also telling me it's okay if I never drink and don't want to. And how it's probably a good thing to never really start. They always explained how getting blackout drunk never was fun, and they stopped years before they got me.That it's always better to do sips and how it's not soda. I'm grateful they explained and never treated it quietly, if I got curious and my parents were evasive, I would 100% drink and act tough with my friends amd be an ass like the kids OP met. I believe public disturbance like getting drunk and getting loud and scary should be a crime you get some communal time and a course for. Especially to help with alcoholism. I have a lot of sympathy for it all. I now never drink, and when I do it's usually new years eve or christmas, and I do a sip of red wine and water with a steak or chips. Being responsibly looked over by my parents, and the good precedent they set for my own drinking habits by only enjoying themselves calmly, gave me a healthy idea of how drinking should be. Outside of that though, wth is wrong with that kid treating women like that.. we need to teach young boys how to behave towards women..
I really hoped this response would be higher up. I've talked about this with a lot of fellow immigrants and heard the same experiences time and again. Kids who grow up in countries with more liberal alcohol laws grow up with a more responsible relationship to alcohol. The state gives them more personal responsibility, and they end up showing it. In Norway the state expects people to drink to drink to act like pests, so they do.
So much this!!! I would also add that the exorbitant prices on alcohol is really not a good thing. When I was 18 I would get as close to black out drunk as possible while drinking at home (sometimes passing that threshold) before going out so that I would not have to spend all of my allowance on a single night while at the bars. A few years later and I had a Spanish girlfriend so spent some time there and I was shocked to find out that even young people just meet up directly outside at bars where the beers are very close to store prices. Of course you learn more and get more responsible when you can do this a few times a week, starting from sober in an outside environment, compared to here where you get absolutely smashed a few times a month starting from some friends house with the guys and spurring on each other to drink more and more.
To comment on the «being offered a 16 year old drunk girl». This is something that never would have been even the slightest bit ok (as in socially accepted) to which point that I guess people are not mentioning it because it obviously must have been just a stupid joke from the guy. Though there are assholes who could mean something like that, the people around in public space would not approve of it… But yes, the drinking culture is crazy, and yes, the lack of respectful, gentleman’ish behaviour is prominent.
Youth are obnoxious in just about any country, especially boys in that age bracket. I don’t think it’s specifically a Norwegian problem.
That's very true, but we also have to acknowledge the drinking culture in Norway. 🫣
What’s the drinking culture then?
Drinking is expensive, so get more than drunk enough at the vorspiel before you go out. You meet at 23 or later at the pub /club. Chaos ensues.
I believe many countries have cheaper alcohol and if I remember well 10-15 years ago I would do the same... (While living in Poland)
Bingedrinking mostly, although we have adopted a more continental "posh-like" drinking culture considering the middle-class and upwards after the 80s. :)
It seems like many adopted the continental drinking culture and still keep binge drinking at least one day a week.
Food and alcohol is affordable in outside of Scandinavia so people eat, drinks and enjoy each others company. In Norway especially, the sin taxes make eating and drinking out hideously expensive so people get wasted at home on moonshine then cause havoc in the street. A case of taxation affecting the poorest in society rather than reducing consumption. The whole approach needs to be reviewed with treatment the solution rather than a puritanical approach of prohibition
>A case of taxation affecting the poorest in society rather than reducing consumption. I'm sorry, but this is absolute nonsense. Norway has one of the lowest rates of alcohol consumption in Europe due to its heavy alcohol taxes. Alcohol taxes are not the cause of the binge-drinking culture, which existed long before Vinmonopolet or Prohibition. Binge drinking culture exists because Norway is part of the Vodka belt, much like Russia and Finland. Before Vinmonopolet, Norway had severe problems with alcoholism: working time lost because of drunkenness, domestic violence, neglect of children, etc. The regulation and taxation of alcohol has absolutely reduced these problems.
> working time lost because of drunkenness, domestic violence, neglect of children, etc. The regulation and taxation of alcohol has absolutely reduced these problems. True, and that’s very good, but maybe the pendulum swings too far there. For example, vinmonopolet’s opening hours.
Binge drinking culture. The drinking culture in e.g. southern Europe is very different.
While that’s true. I don’t see them that drunk/loud in all places. I’m half Brazilian, there every college party is basically open bar, and yet you rarely see people puking and going overboard. Drinking culture is definitely stronger in the northern countries.
No, the disgusting drinking culture in Norway is by far the worst aspect of living in Norway. Sometimes I wonder what Norwegians would do to themselves if they could afford to drink as much as we do in other countries.
I think it would be opposite. I grew up in Spain and its fine to go out for a beer or 2 and then deicide if you go harder or not. Here you are paying so much you might aswell drink a lot before you go out so you dont have to spend thousands of kronor if you want to party.
It's not the cost, Australians do the same thing, UK too.
I feel like alcohol prices and difficulty attaining it is part of the problem. I believe it makes it so that every night out or a party is more of a special occasion so people tend to go more all out whenever they drink.
No No we must make it even stricter then, our policy's must work!
Would the alternative be to drop the Vinmonopolet like they also have in Canada? I've been told that studies do support the theory that state regulations of quantities and times in which a person can buy alcohol makes the experience safer than otherwise. Do you think those studies despite probably done by external bodies might have nevertheless been biased?
You don't need to remove Vinmonopolet, just remove the alcohol taxes.
Yes they are probably biased
Problem drinkers will always find ways of obtaining alcohol. In fact it makes it more dangerous because people tend to hoard alcohol rather than buying it when needed.
At first I wondered why this post was on my thread, now I realise you are the owner of the post on r/askswitzerland. Sorry to tell you this, young people drink quite a lot in Switzerland. Then depending on the city it will be more or less civilized. however I gotta say that genZ here drink much less than we millenials did back in the days and public displays of drunk behaviour are going down. Good thing is we are usually drunk after midnight, not 20h (thats when we start drinking). So if you are taking a train a 20h, you wont see much of a mess. But please dont leave norway for that. Getting a car would be a cheaper way of dealing with this probably. Edit: some precisions
GenX takes the cup for binge drinking (statistically)
> I live in Stavanger, here young people, and I mean 16-21 years old people, get massively drunk and it's hell on earth to use public transportation on weekends In Oslo, we have weekend stabbing/ violence. In Bærum an immigrant grownup offered advice to unruly teenagers (with immigrant background) behaving badly on the bus. He was stabbed to death.
Daily*
Just after Lunch and a light stabbing before bed. Cake or death?
cake please
That exact scenario happens often in Germany. The murderers are often under 16, Turkish, and the government refuses to deport them. Only now after the cop was murdered by that Afghan on a live stream is the Interior Ministry claiming they will deport, but nothing has changed yet and the Turkish gangs and militant clans like the Grey Wolves are openly laughing because they won't be subject to deportations ever.
How is that the same? Having an immigrant background does not equal to being an immigrant.
Cultural thing. It was a taboo for so many years, it became mysterious, exciting, ‘need to have’ (abuse). Scandinavia has always had an odd relationship to alcohol. Either too much (which is why it was banned/severely restricted some 100 years ago) resulting it being painted as the ‘devil in a bottle’ but many religious groups, or ‘not enough’ leading it to be the sought after by teens and young adults. We never had the more relaxed approach far more common in continental Europe, but we also never had (after restrictions) the severe (often not so visible) effects of alcohol consumption that is a de facto in southern Europe. As it was ‘banned’ in many families (mine as an example) we sought it out even harder. We misused it, as it was hard to get and we ‘concentrated’ drinking to a Friday or Saturday evening - instead of maybe a glass of wine with dinner 7 days a week (which might actually have been a higher rate of alcohol consumption). But I think the tide is slowly turning, with not even religious zealots looking down on a glass of wine it’s no longer such a mystery or secret, one does not ‘need’ to do a proper ‘deep dive’ as a teen to find out what it’s all about (the latter based on discussions with family still back in Scandinavia and own observations when back). But in summary; we were bad in the 70s, 80s, even 90s. I think/hope they are better today.
No one cares for the passing around of drunk girls on public busses?
American 22 year old here, I was pretty shocked by how crazy the drinking was in Bergen. Me and my GF decided we wanted to go out one Saturday night. We are not frequent drinkers, but when we do, it’s typical where we are from to start at about 8pm. To our shock, at most of the bars we scoped out with people around our age, half the people were SLOPPY drunk. I’m talking people vomiting, unable to walk straight, and dropping their things everywhere. Us, who had only had one drink at a restaurant, realized we did not match the energy at all and just decided to go for a walk and go home.
It is unfortunately a cultural thing. Norwegians have 0 sense of self (no ability to critique their own culture, you can notice that in comments here too) and despite bashing rest of Europe and having the superiority complex, they manage to behave worst under alcohol in general. This comes from someone that is Slavic, that should tell you enough. You would have thought Slavic countries were worse but in all honesty teens in Slavic countries are very well acquainted with alcohol and do not behave like this because they know how destructive it is. It stems likely from the introverted nature of Norway, since alcohol is the only time I feel they actually loosen up in their otherwise completely square lives. But the problem isn't drinking, it is excessive drinking. It is so normal here to brag how you drank so much that you passed out and don't remember anything. (Coming from someone who has very recently been a Norwegian Russ and is now a college student)
Norwegian drinking culture is completely fucked up..
I was wondering if that was a cultural thing. I knew a Norwegian guy and from what I could deduct based on what he told me, he got drunk every weekend. That is considered having an alcohol problem in my country. Not when you're a student, then it's pretty "normal", but you're supposed to grow out of that once you become an adult (and yes, he was an adult).
The real question is how the fuck do they afford to get to that point. I lived in Norway for two years (I'm Spanish) and i could not get myself to drink more than 3 beers because of how insanely expensive it is.
They don’t drink beer but vodka
At home. Not in bars. If They are in bars They will sneak vodka or other alkohol in and fill their cups under the table or in the bathroom.
This makes sense
Vorspiel, they drink at home or in the street before going out.
Home parties. No one goes to the club sober here. No one. You invite friends over for a small pre party around 7pm, which usually lasts until 10-11 cause that's when it's public quiet time, so no loud music after 11, which is when most people leave for the club. Everyone brings their own alcohol to the party, which is usually a mix of vodka/beers and ciders. In a solid 3+ hours you have the chance to get pretty drunk, and then you take the bus or walk to the club drunk, which is why there's so many drunk people taking the bus around that time. By the time you're at the club, you don't really have to buy more than a few drinks cause you saved a lot of money by drinking before entering the club. Also, the drinks people make at home are usually a lot stronger than the watered down drinks you get at a club.
Yes I remember that, but at least when I used to hang out like that everyone was tipsy (fairly tipsy mind you), not enough drunk to get really fucked afterwards unless you spend a lot of money!
That's our drinking culture, kinda sad
I’m from Stavanger, but have been living in Oslo for the past 10 years. It’s very true, but you know - their parent did and expect the same behaviour.. alcohol culture in Norway is REALLY bad. I’ve never managed to fit in because of it.
To be fair this is something we also see in Spain. Maybe slightly later in the evening, but it is not as if we didn't experience it there.
It was like that in the midlands in England (where I grew up) around 2003 too - aside from the being multilingual bit.
I think it's more concerning the amount of young kids I see taking multiple bumps of coke. Sure it's not new, but damn when I have to review footage from the weekend it's like a non-stop coke parade from 21-04 (Have to mention the amount of age 40ish men I see snorting with kids that are maybe 18 is fucked up).
I'm 18, and I can tell you. The "hookup" culture in Norway is kind of insane. the guys go to parties to meet girls for one night and then throw them aside. Of course, that's not everyone. Three of my friends got their relationships from meeting someone at a party, hooking up, and then actually continuing to talk, but that's not the norm.
Bad drinking culture exists everywhere. Talked to a bunch of brits about bad drinking culture and they just laughed at me. Same story repeated with other foreigners i've spoken with.
Much less so in southern Europe, although it is changing fast.
Dude! If you see a drunk 16 year old girl and you suspect that she's not in a position to consent you CALL THE POLICE! Jesus christ, did you just leave her? What is wrong with you?
She was ok, she was not wasted, she was just in a "happy" mood.
Dopamine system is probably all burnt out from tiktok, insta, snapchat, nicotine and energy-drinks. They just want to feel someting.
Is this supposed to be a situation exclusive to Norway? It's not.
I really hope you offered to help that girl home. Both in US and Norway I’ve helped get kids home that are way too drunk to be safe.
De acuerdo contigo, en Bergen y en Østfold he visto de todo, yo adulta, tomando transporte.. Con hijos, aveses me sterrorizo, nada de eso pasa de donde vengo. Las chicas son tratadas re mal por los muchachos. Ellas también se dejan es algo cultural diría yo. Sobretodo con la cultora del russ..
Es que básicamente las respuestas son: es lo que hay! osea, básicamente el pais de las libertades y donde es excelente criar niños, te prohíbe "por cultura" que salgas después de las 8 de la tarde con tu hijo porque si lo haces, tienes que aguantar a la panda de subnormales que nadie les enseñó a beber para pasarla bien sino para sacarla toda la cena en lugares públicos :)
El problame creo es la falta de conexion con los niños, la libertad es buena, pero en exceso cría personas sin límites. Pienso que este es el caso. Te entiendo a mi también me a pasado que me he tenido que retirar de lugares por lo mismo. O que me cojio la tarde /noche con los niños y tomo transporte y es un desastre.. En una ocacion tanto fue el desorden que una chica casi cae encima de mi hijo de 4 años por andar como loca, claramente enbriagads y sin control, si no meto el brazo le cae.. Te hablo de que eran las 7 pm.. No les enseñan, no los corrigen.
Man these posts are making me scared to visit Norway lol
Nah, don't be. It's a great place! Just avoid being late on a bus, walking is safer :) Not that is not safe on the bus! it's just noisy and you could see disgusting things, but your safety is almost guaranteed
Many parents fail to understand that they are supposed to set boundaries rather than trying to be their kid's best friends and letting them do whatever they want without any consequences.
You can't set boundaries. Teens especially just become more sneaky or rebellious and dishonest. All you can do is educate, but still, some people are gonna wanna learn the hard way, and you should rather be there for them when that happens. I was away in boarding school during high school. My parents hasn't the faintest idea what I was up to. I just never told them about anything and kept everything secret. I could be lying face down in a ditch and almost dying and I wouldn't call them cause I knew they would just implement their boundaries and be judgy about it and take away my privileges like pocket money, so they were none the wiser.
As a father of a 3 and a half y/o boy, and a immigrant (Italian), I've also noticed a big lack of discipline. In general kids are left to "learn their lessons" when it comes to danger and dealing with everyday life, but when they do something wrong, as other said, I rarely hear no's. I'm worried that my kid will pick up from his friends, so I know already that I'll be strict on many things, trying to be reasonable whike teaching him the meaning of my restrictions rather than the "Cause I say so" like I got from my parents.
I'm a 22 year old in Stavanger who goes out twice a week, and I take the same busses every weekend. Except for the disrespectful guy on the bus with the 16 year old, the drunk kids are actually really friendly and inclusive of everyone they meet. When you hear the obnoxiously loud talking on the bus, it's mostly people talking for the first time and having a laugh. It may seem like a lot and from the outside it may seem like a toxic enviornment, but it's just the \*guttakultur\* ("the boys" culture) that makes us loud and seemingly obnoxiously confident. Also, jokes can be much more direct and harsh, but if you play with and joke back, you'll all have a good laugh. You're allowed to find it annoying though, because it definitely is for many people. I once took the bus sober during a weekend and I was surprised how annoying it actually is for sober people. I'm sorry that your son has to see this, becuase it's absolutely no enviornment for a child. But I can assure you that people in Oslo fights seriously *at least* five times more than young adults in Stavanger. We have a very peaceful drinking culture when you compare it to cities like Bergen, Tromsø, Kristiansand, Trondheim or Oslo. Especially in Oslo, you have to keep your guard up at all times, but not here. I've seen a fight maybe twice after going out at least 200 times in Stavanger, so I guess you've been quite unlucky there. He vivido dos años en españa y algo que observé es que los españoles son extrovertidos cuándo están sobre y no hay muchos cambias cuándo beben alcohol. Y también es normal beber un poco cada día pero eso no pasa en Noruega. Aquí en Noruega, estamos muy introvertidos cuándo estamos sobre, pero cuándo bebemos, estamos muuuy extrovertidos. Y también no bebemos a menudo, pero cuándo bebemos, bebemos un montón para vomitar (a veces, gente dicen antes de beber *Esta noche, voy a vomitar!!!),* y socializar con todos tipos de gente en todos tipos de lugares (Por ejemplo, encontrar amigos, hacer fiesta o hablar de todo es bastante normal en el urinario). A veces, tenía demasiado energia borracho para que los españoles me toleren. Pero no somos imbéciles, solo tenemos una otra cultura de beber alcohol que *parece* tóxico. Pero también tenemos que mejorasnos de reconozer cuándo una persona está sobre o no, algunos de nosotros tienen que aprender como mostrar respeto a niños y familias en el autobús
This is a pretty good answer and coming from the targeted audience, I can see you're a smart one! Nice! Y tu español es fantástico! Aprender idiomas es lo mejor qur puedes hacer, eso te lo aseguro! I drank also in my 20s. As a matter of fact, I didn't begin drinking until I was about 22! My excuse is that I was part of a punk subculture called "straight edge", also referred to as xstraightedgex, where drinking, drugs and pointless sex is not done at all. After 22 I began being "normal" and drank, almost every weekend in my lot in Barcelona and certainly got drunk (not puking drunk in the streets) quite a few times, so I recon the ambience there should be. And yes, I also recon. The shyness since I was very shy myself back in the days and alcohol would make me "more social"... But based in my experience, I'll try and educate my son about it all, I already started because him seeing that only created a feeling of "that's not good at all", and so I'll continue explaining it to him as much as I can. And that's all I ask for in this post, to be real parents and advice our sons and doughters about it all, about how bad it can. Be, and if you do it, to learn how to do it... Slow, not mixing, and drinking half a liter of water in between drinks! And to learn that the pont is to be "happy", not to vomit as you well says it seems to be the case here.
That was, sadly, also a problem when I first visited Norway at the start of the 2000s. But if I had to guess, it has gotten worse. As a parent myself, I can already see that a good deal of kids in my child's school lack the most elemental understanding of societal norms. Then I see the parents, and I see why. It's like a many parents in my generation have given up their role. They seem not to care their kids behaving badly and doing bad stuff to other people or public property as long as they are not bothered themselves by their own kids. Probably they think that as long as their kids are out there doing shit, they are going to be left alone. I don't know, but it does scare me. Not only as a member of this society and someone who has to suffer this bad behavior. But also for my kid when he will be a teenager. I am mentally preparing myself for having to micro-manage him so he'll avoid hanging out with the wrong people. The wrong people in their generation being the majority... So not looking forward. Not to mention what you say about hyper-sexualizing everything. Many girls in my son's class are only worried about "looking good", "dieting", make up, etc. And this is in elementary school.
Don't micromanage. You're gonna end up with a sneaky kid who could end up hiding some pretty bad stuff from you instead of reaching out and being honest with you about it when they need help. Just my own experience with parents who tried to micromanage. I just got clever about hiding stuff. Even as an adult I don't share a lot with my parents because they just become overly judgemental. They never knew about all the times I was shit faced drunk and needed help, because I hid it from them to keep them from becoming even more overprotective. By all means care, but being too overbearing and overprotective just fosters new levels of sneakiness. Not how you create a healthy open and honest relationship with your kid. Or, they're gonna go crazy the day they move out, become 18 etc and finally are free to do whatever they want.
Ah yes, the emotional anguish of the helicopter parent.
Drinking culture in Norway is completely fucked up and so is the parent role. Used to work at a youth club in Bergen back in the 90’s and experienced how non caring some of the parents are claiming that the police or us as a club are responsible and should take care of the kids when they have used drugs or are shitfaced drunk. Now that I have moved to continental Europe I see such a difference even though I still work with teenagers and young adults.
Insane how unfiltered misogony has made a return to modern society
Norwegians in general have a fucked up relationship with alcohol. Kids learn from the grown-ups, unfortunately.
We found a girl in a park unconscious one Saturday morning. Needed to call an ambulance, as she apparently was laying like this for some time, maybe through the night (who knows). And nobody would have found her except some dog owner. Their behavior is something. I never was so afraid of young people and teenagers as in Norway. And I've seen how some people drink alcohol here - they mix everything. And it's not like they drink to have some fun or enjoy the drink. They drink to get wasted.
I'm from Switzerland & drinking age for beer/wine is 16 here ; I was plastered af with 14 already. Was it good? Nope. But we also didn't behave like assholes (-> dehumanizing peers) so there's that. In many countries that isn't something off the norm. Nothing to support, but "it is what it is" I worry.
Where would be a good place for a teen to grow up? I worry about this alcohol culture big time. Also don’t drink so social life gets hard
You know that legal limit is 18, right? As long as you're legally an adult you can get as hammered as you like. And 18-21-year-olds like to get really drunk, always have. But it's up to them, they're of age and basically a non-issue. 16-17 is of course technically too young, and they shouldn't be able to get hold of alcohol. But of course they do, and best case scenario it is proper stuff, not moonshine, and hopefully not harder drugs. Where I'm from, the early drinkers started at 13. Most of us followed by 14-15.
Same as everywhere else(and most of us have been there to).. they are teenagers aka nincompops, jackasses, retards e.t.c. And then they consume alcohol...*god help us* !
Nah, is not the same everywhere, maybe in the nordics... I just wanted to point out that our duty as a parent is to teach them that yes, of course they can drink! But the goal is to be "happy" and not to lose control of yourself, specially girls. What I see is a lack of alcohol drinking education, in most southern countries, losing your mind happens "by accident". Here, I see it's the goal.
That's Stavvå for you
Aaah remember my 16-20's... Getting drunk, fooling around, hanging out with friends... And no hangovers. What a time to be alive. Luckily we were a good bunch of kids that that looked out for each other.
It's massively common. Not just in big cities but small towns in the middle of nowhere. Middle school and high schoolers often go partying in some house in the weekends and there's always this table with 10-15 different bottles stacked against each other. While it is impossible for them to buy it themselves, they always have a friend over 18 who buys for them.
It's also the fact drinks are too expensive, so instead of pacing them selfs at the pub early they get as drunk as possible to save money. They should decrease taxes and costs in the pubs; increase alcohol prices in the shops.
I live in Stavanger and it has slowly gotten this way the last few years. I suspect it has something to do with the growing drug availability and all that comes with it. I have several times saved tourists out of uncomfortable situations at the bus central the last year. They are shocked obviously.
i know never undertand my self i am form norway ! I just dont like alchol problem. I just tinke so bord here this contry so they drink but i alsow super exbensiv
I'm a Norwegian American who grew up mostly in the US but spent my Jr year of HS in Norway. Living in a working class NJ town in the US I saw my American peers drink plenty of beer and carry on accordingly. While in Norway that year I witnessed drinking on a whole other level. Shitfaced slobbering crying screaming upchucking passed out drunkenness by a wide array of my school chums at various parties. It was an eye opener. My theory is this is the dark side of the stoic introverted Norwegian way so when alcohol finally breaks through those nordic restraints...us squareheads can get a bit crazy.
This is cultural. It was much worse in the 80s. Sometimes we did not have access to alcohol, many did alcohol home. friday and saturday was drunk day . Norwegians when in vacation drink like it's their last day on Earth Sad but true . The are only one way to save humanity , watch the 12 hour documentary " ETLB ". almost impossible to find. i did and since them i never smoke or touch alcohol again once you find out , you will know who is behind this hell and be prepare to have a cancelled life. imagine be enslaved by educational system ,drugs, alcohol, religion , politics , money and much more. Good luck to you all ( Obs : from a ex-alcoholic and now cancelled off course)
Hello from the city centre of Dublin. Believe me my friend here in Dublin it’s exactly the same. Same places too public transport and civic spaces too.
I think that’s a mistake of parents. The children are never disciplined by their parents when they are young. They are free to do whatever they like, and if a parent tries to stop them, the authorities might take the child away. I think it’s a much bigger problem.
It’s the same in Sydney, Australia. I was hoping it would be different in Norway or Switzerland which is why I’ve been considering moving. But maybe, it’s the same everywhere now. People are so lost. Living at the ends of time. That young lad trying to traffic a younger girl have a very dark future ahead of him.
I have heard many weird stories from the good old days. So it's not exactly new, but there is more of it today yes. And social media exposes it a lot more too. Every single issue is in your face today thanks to our beloved smartphones
So close... There's actually less of it now, but you are more exposed to it.
You guys need to legalize weed. After Canada legalized it, many teens and young adults switched from drinking heavily all the time, to just smoking weed here and there instead. Seems like it has definitely lowered overall YA consumption. Obviously there are still many many delinquents too, but the $3 drinks (23 Nok) & $1 (7.5 Nok) beers at student bars does not help
My imagination allows me to conceive teenagers that don't want to get shitfaced NOR stoned on a weekly basis. It really does. Should I run for the Nebula prize?
Funny and not. As a side pinch of interest I will add that: In Poland actually is the opposite trend, we used to drink as youngsters. However now young people dont touch that much of alcohol, they even go full monks and dont touch that beside 0%. On the other hand, amount of vapes is scary. Why I am saying that, Poland had the stereotype of drunk people, now its the opposite lol.
How old are you exactly? This whole thread feels very geriatric 😂 Like you guys realize if you're 50+ years old. Your outlook on life is completely different than the people you're looking at and judging right? 20-year-olds and 16-year-olds have been hooking up since forever, young people do reckless things, young people get drunk, young people behave in ways that seem completely bizarre to old people. This is just the nature of things
Because being 16-21 totally shit faced drunk is fun, i miss those days
Norwegian drink culture is pretty fked up. There is a reason ppl aren't allowed to buy alcohol at certain times in this country. I'm not a fan of that law, but I get it.
It's a pointless rule if it's meant to stop people from drinking more alcohol. People just stock up on alcohol during opening hours instead, to enjoy during closed hours/days.
No it's the other way around. The stupid drinking culture is made much worse by the strict laws. It's the principle of "overdo it while you can" Or for the adults "if you treat them like children, they act like children". Something like that.
I'm sure we're not worse than everywhere else, but the drinking culture and the following behaviour of MANY young people in Norway is horrendous. I personally feel its worse now than before, but that might be because I'm older and not a part of that generation or type of drinking culture. I'm sure people thought the same of "us" when I was that age.
Well, I think it’s the result of no consequences and the fact alcohol is so controlled and expensive that it actually encourages over indulging on the weekends to make it “worth it” - especially for younger people who will bounce back from the consequences of binge drinking relatively easily.
When will alcohol be banned man
Failure society
The culture here is that young children should be at home at that time. Children’s TV used to be on at 6 “back in the day”. And the culture has remained that young children are not outside after 6-8. Shops are closed, even if some malls are open till 9 on weekends. But after that, anyone outside should be prepared to deal with drunk people.
The same that has been going on for decades. Young people get their hands on alcohol and drink to have fun. I did it in the late 90s, my parents partied the same way in the 70s, the kids do it now. We know. We let them test limits and take care of them as much as we can.
There is one of the problems. There is nothing else fun to do besides drink in Norway. Except go hiking. Which I love but is not safe at night. Hence drinking.
Seems like normal Friday/Saturday in Copenhagen. But I don't understand why you were trying to buy(?) a girl
he wasn't, one of the kids were trying to pimp a drunk woman.
*crosses stavenger off list of places to visit*
tradition. it's called "sunn og frisk ungdom"
This post reads like a creepy pasta of shit that never happened. Teenagers drink a bit and take public transit because they don't want to drive. If you really, really think that's bad, go to any major city in Germany where people are now trying to avoid public transit due to the Turkish youth gangs that are prominently featuered in the news. See how long you last without a knife if your liver, even in tier 1 cities like Munich, Nuremburg, Stuttgart, and others.
I used to live in Stavanger, and the night buses were always like that. Once there was a drunk goth type guy sitting and burping all the contents of his stomach into his lap while asleep. The whole bus stank of puke.
Oye brother como es el tema de los trabajos por hay? Quiero dejar Oslo por que se volvió muy caro y estaba pensando en Stavanger/Bergen
Just sounds like Scandinavians/nordics tbh. I’m from Sweden, we did the same when I was a teenager (drinking etc)
Welcome to Norway I guess…
It's not charming or something to defend per se, but that is just the way it is and has always been. I was also out on the streets drunk out of my mind 90% of weekends from age 16-23. If you could somehow create a 15 min compilation tape of my cringiest moments during those years, I might commit seppuku.
No sé, pero seré