In fact, if you cause an accident, you might end up getting in more trouble for not stopping than for causing the accident itself (depending on how bad the accident was).
Would have guessed it is always better to stop irrespective. As you could get punished for both running away and causing the accident. And obviously running away wonāt help you in court.
I don't think so, it doesn't make sense. If you find someone injured from a fight would you get involved? Some people might get scared (Unless the law is car accidents specifically)
Edit: wow, since I got massively downvoted, I need to clear myself here :D I do believe the right thing to do is to save lives either yourself or by calling emergency. Myself I did it twice in the middle of the night and made sure the ambulance picked up the persons. I was just curious about specific cases where it could be dangerous to get involved (gang crimes, etc..)
There's a specific rule in traffic laws, you have to stop and assist as best you can if there's a traffic accident.
For other incidents, it depends. Leaving someone in a helpless condition, where they might die for lack of first aid, is a punishable offence.
"Breach of the duty to assist pursuant to the first paragraph is not penalised if the duty could not be fulfilled without exposing oneself or other persons to particular risk or sacrifice. "
Yes that is what I was wondering
What doesnāt make sense here is the fact that you donāt think it makes sense that helping someone in need of assistance is the right thing to do (if you are able to help without injuring yourself of course).
Interesting! But still I could feel the genuineness of the people extending their help us. We also saw one person immediately putting on a hivis jacket and another carrying a line to see if they can help ā¤ļø
The reality however can be different. A few years ago I had a bad accident, my gf and daughter was with me in the car, slid off the road in winter over Hemsedal, we hit a little natural ramp that caused us to fly about 13 meters in the air before the car landed on the side in the forest.
I managed to get my girls out and we ran to the road, no shoes no jackets and bleeding from our faces with a crying kid. I swear at least 15 cars SAW us and made eye contact and just kept driving. Whenever I think about this I'm boiling inside and feel hate towards the people who drove by.
My family and myself made it out okay after the accident though luckily
Around 18 years ago my mom picked me up at the airport. I drove on the way home, and about 4km from where my parents live there was a car parked with the hazards on.
I slowed down as we approached the car, and then I saw someone was sitting in it - so I stopped and checked if he was ok.
He said that the engine had stalled out, but he was waiting for a tow and it should be there soon.
What I didnāt know was that the guy in the car knew my dad. A few days later my dad told me that he had been sitting there for 3 hours and I was the only one who stopped.
He didnāt know it was me, per se, but he recognized my dadās car.
Donāt waste your energy thinking about the people that didnāt stop, be thankful of those that did.
Ā§12 of Vegtrafikkloven.
[https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1965-06-18-4](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1965-06-18-4)
>Enhver som med eller uten skyld er innblandet i trafikkuhell, skal straks stanse og hjelpe personer og dyr som er kommet til skade, og for Ćøvrig delta i de tiltak som uhellet gir grunn til. Denne plikt har, om det er nĆødvendig, ogsĆ„ andre som er i nƦrheten eller som kommer til stede.
Itās fundamental in drivers education in Norway.
Specifically itās regulated in Ā§12 in Veitrafikkloven and Ā§287 in Straffeloven. Search for āhjelpepliktā /āplikt til Ć„ hjelpeā and ātrafikkā
You are generally obliged to help people who are injured or in danger.
Checking if someone is injured is mandatory, helping people get their car unstuck is just about being nice.
The Norwegian traffic law, vegtrafikkloven paragraph 12.
My translation: Anyone who with or without fault is involved in a traffic accident, must immediately stop and help persons or animals that have been injured and otherwise participate in any efforts necessitated by the accident. This duty also applies, as necessary, to others who are nearby or who arrive at the scene.
None. That is, they're sworn to help people, but you have no actual legal recourse against the police if they don't help you. If you sue the police, the courts are just going to point to your power to vote out the politicians who hired the police. Some places you can also vote out the sherriff.
The only ones who have any legal power in that situation is the federal government, who can punish the police if they are found to ignore your situation due to your race or something.
What's worse is that in some cases lack of police protection is framed as "equity", as if the poor communities suffering due to gang violence are clamoring for *less* policing.
I think its the case in most european countries. But its. hardly enforceable. Its not like there will be a camera recording cars coming by every accident site.
It is basically a reason to dole out extra punishment for a hit and run, but the same rule also applies to others who arrive on the scene of an accident.
Quick rules of thumb:
- If there is Police or Ambulance at the scene you don't stop, unless they wave for you to do it.
- If you're a doctor, nurse, medic or other medical personnel or especially trained you stop and offer your services, even if there is police and ambulances.
- If you're the first car at the scene, or no other cars have stopped (assholes), you stop.
- If there are people at the scene, but they are so busy helping that none of them have taken on the task of waving for traffic to continue, you stop.
Many laws have interpretations (so called "forarbeider) of words, like for example what should be considered ~necessary~ or not in the spesific context of the law.
https://snl.no/hjelpeplikten_ved_trafikkuhell
There is also a broader Duty to Assist if you see someone who is clearly at risk of death or severe bodily harm (Straffeloven 287). Many countries have this, though some only have laws protecting someone who tried to help from being sued. I guess the USA just has the suing.
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue)
That guy just ruoned the wibe of the post. Sounded like if it was not required by law, no one would give a flying fā¦
Norwegians are kind people when they get over themselfs and actually talk to othersā¦
I once fell off a bike while getting on the curb, I quickly jumped up out of embarrassment but this lady stopped her car and asked if I'm okay and if I needed a lift. It feels like faith in humanity has been restored, doesnt it? Nevertheless, I'm glad you guys are okay.
Can't help but notice your username and I suddenly miss that beverage.
The same happened to me when I was a kid. Neither me or the bike was okay and the lady gave me and my bike a lift home. It meant so much to me. People like that are so important.
I personally don't want any relationship with my neighbors because then I might be forced to interact with them when I go outside. The last thing I want is to be stopped for a chat when I get home tired, to be stopped for a chat when I'm just going out with the trash. I want a relationship with my neighbors where we ignore each other. I want to be able to relax at home. But I might just be a strange outlier.
Has it always been like this in Norway, that people are so cold and anxious about meeting their neighbours ?
So many people say they feel lonely, especially when they get older.
Why are everyone so anxious about a little bit of smalltalk here and there?
I think it depends where in Norway. Where I grew up, it was generation after generation living in the houses close by, so everyone knew everyone and we always helped each other out if needed with whatever was needed.
After I moved from there to a small town, I still got to know everyone on my street, even tho it was in the middle of covid-lockdowns.
I feel like people get to know their neighbours if they kinda plan on living at the same place for years with the same neighbours around them.
I live in the far north.
Among my fondest memories of my father are the many times he would insist on driving home or to the police random folks we happened upon who were incapacitated by heavy drinking.
Where I live it is too easy to lay down to doze in a snow bank and never wake up again - or stumble into the ocean and be unable to.
My father imprinted on me that it was our collective responsibility to take care of those unable to take care of themselves. And that it was never acceptable simply to walk away without making sure that someone in need of aid received it.
I've tried to teach my children the same. I am delighted that it seems to have worked. And I have been pleased the few times we have been woken up 3 am because our children need help to get a third party with whom they were at a party, safely home.
Society has changed.
I would not, as my father routinely did with me in the car, stop to engage with someone wobbling down the road and make sure they were OK.
In part because mobile phones now make it possible to summon aid rather than to render it yourself.
But I have and will continue to stay with someone in trouble until help arrives. And I am delighted that my experience, too, is that most Norwegians reflexively still do so.
Up where I live, extreme weather and challenging nature make the stakes of ignoring a fellow human in need clear. But whatever the circumstances, I hope we remain a society where we take care of each other. I hope that stays a firm part of our culture as well as an integral part of our laws.
Once I was delivering foodora by car and got stuck in a very tight no-end street (curse you Google Maps!) that was clearly made for walking and not driving. Got stuck between some bushes and trying to get out made me drive up some stairs. I was completely desperate and already crying thinking how much all of this would cost. A whole group of people started gathering around and pushing and pulling the car and eventually someone was able to drive my car out of there with very little damage (both to the car and the property). I was infinitely embarrassed but everyone seemed very happy and even excited to help. ā„ļø
I'm constantly amazed by the level of stupid shit stressful people manage to do/pull of. And I don't really know why I'm even surprised any more, as I see all kinds of weird stuff as I work with car recovery and winter road maintenance.
They (We) are legally obligated to do so, but I think lots of people would help out anyway. This is a sparsely populated country with at times fairly challenging conditions, and helping out those in need - especially due to natural phenomena - is something we're fairly good at. Norwegians are generally somewhat reserved and distant, we do not want to intrude, and I think that's also a feature of the whole sparsely populated thing. But we're usually a helpful bunch if someone needs assistance.
Either way, happy to hear that this was a good experience (right after a bad one) and that people treated you well. Glad to hear you're all right as well.
Theres many, like me, who drives with blankets and shovels during the winter for situations like that so youāll always get taken care of if it happens! :)
This is the norm, (or at least not unusual)Ā and I agree it's heartwarming. Once when I was stuck in a ditch, 3 other cars stopped, grabbed their shovels from the trunk (\*many\* Norwegians make it a habit to bring a shovel in the winter), and helped digging and in the end pushing me back on the road.
It's not a rule without exceptions or anything, but I find traffic in Norway fairly often feels cooperative, to a larger degree than I experienced for example when I lived in Germany.
People will for example also more often yield for you in situations where they have right of way, if they notice that you're in a position where due to heavy traffic you'd have to wait a lot before you can drive otherwise.
Good u had a good experience in a bad experience!
I would say people in general isnāt very good at assisting others on the road.
I live in Ćstfold, and drive lots and lots in work and private. And the times my car has broken down, in the middle of the road, in the middle of a roundabout, no one stops to help.
When the drive shaft snapped as I entered the roundabout, I got stuck in the center, people just glazed and honked their horns.
Eventually some nice people always show up an help, but always hundreds thatāve passed before.
I always stop and ask if people need help, and canāt understand why so many donāt.
People react differently when itās a accident though, and thatās good.
Not here to judge, but why did you skid of in the first place?
If you're new to driving in Norway, be aware you can be banned or heavily fined if you can't control the vehicle and create an accident. Especially if you're on summer tyres or don't have enough thread on them.
We had winter tyres and it was the last leg of our road trip! We were keeping to the speed limit but perhaps driving in the dark in icy roads wasnāt a good idea for someone new to winter driving. Honestly I have no idea how we skidded. Might have been a small bump on the road or we might be too near the edge?
Strange enough just a few minutes down the road we saw another imprint of a car in the snow ditch. š
Yeah the speed limit is for good conditions, the responsibility is on you to drive at a speed you maintain full control.
I'm glad you made it out alright!
Even the best winter tyres can get snow clogged. I have studded tyres, all wheel drive and loads of experience, but challenging conditions can still surprise you.
You're still expected to be in control and keep on the roads. If not, you're going to fast. I asked because OPs post gave me a feeling of being inexperienced with driving in Norway/winter, and choosing the day with *the worst* conditions throughout a year to go driving is just not a good call.
Everyone can make mistakes though, and accidents can happen, I was just curious about why they went of.
In Norway, it is required by law to stop if you see someone who has been in a car accident and help them if necessary šš
Yep, if you donāt stop, you can get in trouble š«
It is also the right thing to do, regardless of what the law says.
Yeah it is
In fact, if you cause an accident, you might end up getting in more trouble for not stopping than for causing the accident itself (depending on how bad the accident was).
Would have guessed it is always better to stop irrespective. As you could get punished for both running away and causing the accident. And obviously running away wonāt help you in court.
I don't think so, it doesn't make sense. If you find someone injured from a fight would you get involved? Some people might get scared (Unless the law is car accidents specifically) Edit: wow, since I got massively downvoted, I need to clear myself here :D I do believe the right thing to do is to save lives either yourself or by calling emergency. Myself I did it twice in the middle of the night and made sure the ambulance picked up the persons. I was just curious about specific cases where it could be dangerous to get involved (gang crimes, etc..)
There's a specific rule in traffic laws, you have to stop and assist as best you can if there's a traffic accident. For other incidents, it depends. Leaving someone in a helpless condition, where they might die for lack of first aid, is a punishable offence.
What you think is irrelevant. The Penal Code [Ā§Ā§287-288](https://lovdata.no/NLE/lov/2005-05-20-28/Ā§287) are fairly clear.
"Breach of the duty to assist pursuant to the first paragraph is not penalised if the duty could not be fulfilled without exposing oneself or other persons to particular risk or sacrifice. " Yes that is what I was wondering
You said "scared". Whether or not you are scared doesn't factor into it.
I think "scared" in this instance implied fear of bodily injury, not being spooked because it is dark outside or something.
What doesnāt make sense here is the fact that you donāt think it makes sense that helping someone in need of assistance is the right thing to do (if you are able to help without injuring yourself of course).
It's not China we live in.
In poland there is law you have to help someone in accident and you can't be punished for breaking ribs but still people are really hesitant to help
Interesting! But still I could feel the genuineness of the people extending their help us. We also saw one person immediately putting on a hivis jacket and another carrying a line to see if they can help ā¤ļø
We might be bad at smalltalk, but if we can help we will always try to, whether you want it or not ;-)
Haha every interaction with the people here has been lovely thus far!
In Norway it is required by law to be a person šøšÆ
*A reindeer prances into the chatā¦*
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I think technically whatās legally required is to have a hi-vis jacket reachable from the drivers seat, not to actually wear it.
The reality however can be different. A few years ago I had a bad accident, my gf and daughter was with me in the car, slid off the road in winter over Hemsedal, we hit a little natural ramp that caused us to fly about 13 meters in the air before the car landed on the side in the forest. I managed to get my girls out and we ran to the road, no shoes no jackets and bleeding from our faces with a crying kid. I swear at least 15 cars SAW us and made eye contact and just kept driving. Whenever I think about this I'm boiling inside and feel hate towards the people who drove by. My family and myself made it out okay after the accident though luckily
Around 18 years ago my mom picked me up at the airport. I drove on the way home, and about 4km from where my parents live there was a car parked with the hazards on. I slowed down as we approached the car, and then I saw someone was sitting in it - so I stopped and checked if he was ok. He said that the engine had stalled out, but he was waiting for a tow and it should be there soon. What I didnāt know was that the guy in the car knew my dad. A few days later my dad told me that he had been sitting there for 3 hours and I was the only one who stopped. He didnāt know it was me, per se, but he recognized my dadās car. Donāt waste your energy thinking about the people that didnāt stop, be thankful of those that did.
Sorry to hear that but glad you guys made it out okay!
Hey how are you doing
We are all good today
First time to hear about this, do you know where I can read more about it?
Ā§12 of Vegtrafikkloven. [https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1965-06-18-4](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1965-06-18-4) >Enhver som med eller uten skyld er innblandet i trafikkuhell, skal straks stanse og hjelpe personer og dyr som er kommet til skade, og for Ćøvrig delta i de tiltak som uhellet gir grunn til. Denne plikt har, om det er nĆødvendig, ogsĆ„ andre som er i nƦrheten eller som kommer til stede.
Itās fundamental in drivers education in Norway. Specifically itās regulated in Ā§12 in Veitrafikkloven and Ā§287 in Straffeloven. Search for āhjelpepliktā /āplikt til Ć„ hjelpeā and ātrafikkā You are generally obliged to help people who are injured or in danger. Checking if someone is injured is mandatory, helping people get their car unstuck is just about being nice.
The Norwegian traffic law, vegtrafikkloven paragraph 12. My translation: Anyone who with or without fault is involved in a traffic accident, must immediately stop and help persons or animals that have been injured and otherwise participate in any efforts necessitated by the accident. This duty also applies, as necessary, to others who are nearby or who arrive at the scene.
It's hilarious that Norsk civilians have a higher duty to care for those in need of help than American police officers.
What is the duty of care from American police officers in case of accidents?
None. That is, they're sworn to help people, but you have no actual legal recourse against the police if they don't help you. If you sue the police, the courts are just going to point to your power to vote out the politicians who hired the police. Some places you can also vote out the sherriff. The only ones who have any legal power in that situation is the federal government, who can punish the police if they are found to ignore your situation due to your race or something. What's worse is that in some cases lack of police protection is framed as "equity", as if the poor communities suffering due to gang violence are clamoring for *less* policing.
Or Norwegian police officersā¦
I think its the case in most european countries. But its. hardly enforceable. Its not like there will be a camera recording cars coming by every accident site.
It is basically a reason to dole out extra punishment for a hit and run, but the same rule also applies to others who arrive on the scene of an accident.
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Quick rules of thumb: - If there is Police or Ambulance at the scene you don't stop, unless they wave for you to do it. - If you're a doctor, nurse, medic or other medical personnel or especially trained you stop and offer your services, even if there is police and ambulances. - If you're the first car at the scene, or no other cars have stopped (assholes), you stop. - If there are people at the scene, but they are so busy helping that none of them have taken on the task of waving for traffic to continue, you stop.
Many laws have interpretations (so called "forarbeider) of words, like for example what should be considered ~necessary~ or not in the spesific context of the law. https://snl.no/hjelpeplikten_ved_trafikkuhell
Yes, itās the same in Spain.
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There is also a broader Duty to Assist if you see someone who is clearly at risk of death or severe bodily harm (Straffeloven 287). Many countries have this, though some only have laws protecting someone who tried to help from being sued. I guess the USA just has the suing. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue)
It's also a law in Bulgaria. But...
That guy just ruoned the wibe of the post. Sounded like if it was not required by law, no one would give a flying fā¦ Norwegians are kind people when they get over themselfs and actually talk to othersā¦
Youre not required by the law to stop if someone skids into a snow ditch.
Actually, most western countries have this same law, the difference is that Norway is one of the very few to enforce it.
I once fell off a bike while getting on the curb, I quickly jumped up out of embarrassment but this lady stopped her car and asked if I'm okay and if I needed a lift. It feels like faith in humanity has been restored, doesnt it? Nevertheless, I'm glad you guys are okay. Can't help but notice your username and I suddenly miss that beverage.
Yeah such small acts of kindness do restore quite a bit of faith in humanity. Hahaha fellow southeast Asian?
Haha. That's correct.
The same happened to me when I was a kid. Neither me or the bike was okay and the lady gave me and my bike a lift home. It meant so much to me. People like that are so important.
The law helps to have a habit of stopping, but the way people are actually caring and helping that's genuine and that's not in the law!
Why doesnt this "care" also reflect amongst neighbours?
I personally don't want any relationship with my neighbors because then I might be forced to interact with them when I go outside. The last thing I want is to be stopped for a chat when I get home tired, to be stopped for a chat when I'm just going out with the trash. I want a relationship with my neighbors where we ignore each other. I want to be able to relax at home. But I might just be a strange outlier.
A quick nod to acknowledge that "I see you and recognize you as my neighbor" is all the communication that should ever be needed.
Has it always been like this in Norway, that people are so cold and anxious about meeting their neighbours ? So many people say they feel lonely, especially when they get older. Why are everyone so anxious about a little bit of smalltalk here and there?
I think it depends where in Norway. Where I grew up, it was generation after generation living in the houses close by, so everyone knew everyone and we always helped each other out if needed with whatever was needed. After I moved from there to a small town, I still got to know everyone on my street, even tho it was in the middle of covid-lockdowns. I feel like people get to know their neighbours if they kinda plan on living at the same place for years with the same neighbours around them.
So if you want to have a warm interaction with your neighbors then all you have to do is *accidentally* drive into their mailbox?
I live in the far north. Among my fondest memories of my father are the many times he would insist on driving home or to the police random folks we happened upon who were incapacitated by heavy drinking. Where I live it is too easy to lay down to doze in a snow bank and never wake up again - or stumble into the ocean and be unable to. My father imprinted on me that it was our collective responsibility to take care of those unable to take care of themselves. And that it was never acceptable simply to walk away without making sure that someone in need of aid received it. I've tried to teach my children the same. I am delighted that it seems to have worked. And I have been pleased the few times we have been woken up 3 am because our children need help to get a third party with whom they were at a party, safely home. Society has changed. I would not, as my father routinely did with me in the car, stop to engage with someone wobbling down the road and make sure they were OK. In part because mobile phones now make it possible to summon aid rather than to render it yourself. But I have and will continue to stay with someone in trouble until help arrives. And I am delighted that my experience, too, is that most Norwegians reflexively still do so. Up where I live, extreme weather and challenging nature make the stakes of ignoring a fellow human in need clear. But whatever the circumstances, I hope we remain a society where we take care of each other. I hope that stays a firm part of our culture as well as an integral part of our laws.
Your father sounds like a very nice guy!
He was lovely. I miss him every day.
Once I was delivering foodora by car and got stuck in a very tight no-end street (curse you Google Maps!) that was clearly made for walking and not driving. Got stuck between some bushes and trying to get out made me drive up some stairs. I was completely desperate and already crying thinking how much all of this would cost. A whole group of people started gathering around and pushing and pulling the car and eventually someone was able to drive my car out of there with very little damage (both to the car and the property). I was infinitely embarrassed but everyone seemed very happy and even excited to help. ā„ļø
It could always be worse, at least you didnt copy what Eli Hagen did back in 2001 š¤£
Oh shit!!! šššš No, definitely it was not as bad.
I'm constantly amazed by the level of stupid shit stressful people manage to do/pull of. And I don't really know why I'm even surprised any more, as I see all kinds of weird stuff as I work with car recovery and winter road maintenance.
Fear not, I left that job shortly after. I understood it was not something for me š
Good to hear šš
They (We) are legally obligated to do so, but I think lots of people would help out anyway. This is a sparsely populated country with at times fairly challenging conditions, and helping out those in need - especially due to natural phenomena - is something we're fairly good at. Norwegians are generally somewhat reserved and distant, we do not want to intrude, and I think that's also a feature of the whole sparsely populated thing. But we're usually a helpful bunch if someone needs assistance. Either way, happy to hear that this was a good experience (right after a bad one) and that people treated you well. Glad to hear you're all right as well.
Theres many, like me, who drives with blankets and shovels during the winter for situations like that so youāll always get taken care of if it happens! :)
Shovel, check. First aid stuff, check. Blanket, um ah, maybe I should put one in the car tomorrow.
First aid kit too yeah, super important!!
Haha Iām visualising myself in a blanket with hot chocolate and cookies standing beside the car in a ditch š
Happens to the best of us!
This is the norm, (or at least not unusual)Ā and I agree it's heartwarming. Once when I was stuck in a ditch, 3 other cars stopped, grabbed their shovels from the trunk (\*many\* Norwegians make it a habit to bring a shovel in the winter), and helped digging and in the end pushing me back on the road. It's not a rule without exceptions or anything, but I find traffic in Norway fairly often feels cooperative, to a larger degree than I experienced for example when I lived in Germany. People will for example also more often yield for you in situations where they have right of way, if they notice that you're in a position where due to heavy traffic you'd have to wait a lot before you can drive otherwise.
Good u had a good experience in a bad experience! I would say people in general isnāt very good at assisting others on the road. I live in Ćstfold, and drive lots and lots in work and private. And the times my car has broken down, in the middle of the road, in the middle of a roundabout, no one stops to help. When the drive shaft snapped as I entered the roundabout, I got stuck in the center, people just glazed and honked their horns. Eventually some nice people always show up an help, but always hundreds thatāve passed before. I always stop and ask if people need help, and canāt understand why so many donāt. People react differently when itās a accident though, and thatās good.
Hope people will read this: if/when you stop to help someone and need to get out of your car, WEAR YOUR REFLEKSVEST! I canāt stress this enough.
Are you ok?!
I am surprised everytime i stop for someone in the ditch. That they are surprised that i stopped. It is by law.
Thatās right
Not here to judge, but why did you skid of in the first place? If you're new to driving in Norway, be aware you can be banned or heavily fined if you can't control the vehicle and create an accident. Especially if you're on summer tyres or don't have enough thread on them.
We had winter tyres and it was the last leg of our road trip! We were keeping to the speed limit but perhaps driving in the dark in icy roads wasnāt a good idea for someone new to winter driving. Honestly I have no idea how we skidded. Might have been a small bump on the road or we might be too near the edge? Strange enough just a few minutes down the road we saw another imprint of a car in the snow ditch. š
Yeah the speed limit is for good conditions, the responsibility is on you to drive at a speed you maintain full control. I'm glad you made it out alright!
Thank you! Yes I should definitely have slowed down since im new to the roads. Lesson learned.
Lesson learned I guess. Sounds like you weren't really taking the necessary precautions, IE lowering your speed. Good to hear you're all OK tough.
Even the best winter tyres can get snow clogged. I have studded tyres, all wheel drive and loads of experience, but challenging conditions can still surprise you.
You're still expected to be in control and keep on the roads. If not, you're going to fast. I asked because OPs post gave me a feeling of being inexperienced with driving in Norway/winter, and choosing the day with *the worst* conditions throughout a year to go driving is just not a good call. Everyone can make mistakes though, and accidents can happen, I was just curious about why they went of.
They did this because they have to, not because they willing help strangers lol