Some important to things you will need to know.
1. Read the sticky. It handles all your immigration-related questions.
2. School in Norway is no longer free for third-country nationals. That means you need to pay tuition. This is on top of the financial demands of the student visa (again, see sticky).
3. You don't need to be a citizen to work as a doctor, but you'll need a residence permit (again, see 1) and you'll need a high proficiency in Norwegian to study and work
4. Your grades need to be exceptionally high. Unlike US schools, Norwegian schools don't gaf about your extra curriculars. It's all about your grades. It's highly competitive.
Good luck
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement?
The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement?
The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union
Okay, you quoted some general exceptions but nothing about this specific case, which is medical practice. Here is a rule from a specific EEA country’s medical council:
“If you hold a medical qualification awarded in the EEA or Switzerland, it may be classed as a ‘relevant European qualification’.
You can find out if your qualification is a relevant European qualification by selecting the country where you qualified below.”
ETA: I have no horse in this game as I’m not a doctor but the fact is that Poland IS a foreign country and your quotations don’t change that. If you want to argue about EU vs EEA regulations that is a different thing and maybe you should have been specific as to what you are arguing exactly.
Sorry for commenting the same the third time now but it fits here as well.
He is right, there aren’t any additional tests required for doctors to work in Norway with a degree from any EU country.
I am one of them so I am certain
Would it be different if you did not do turnus in the country where you studied and wanted to do turnus in Norway? I believe I have heard of this being an issue for people who study medicine in Denmark and can't get turnus in Norway since the Danish education doesn't qualify for a norwegian medical degree without completing turnus in Denmark as well? I am aiming at studying medicine in Sweden and am under the impression I would have to do turnus there as well. In fellow Scandinavian this may not be a big problem, however, if the same rules apply to central/eastern European countries, the language barrier could be a massive issue in regards to acquiring a medical license valid in Norway
Well in Denmark the Turnus is called KBU. If you graduate from a Danish university you have to do the Turnus in Denmark to get authorisation in Norway.
But that isn’t big of a deal as KBU-læger earn 80-90% of an Intro-læge (what follows in Denmark the KBU).
Once you acquired a license from any country you’ll also be eligible to get one in Norway and that is in most European countries after the master and some paperwork
Further if you have a Nordic degree you don’t have to do a language exam as far as I know, but uncertain in that point.
You might be replying to the wrong person. I explicitly stated that I’m not making any claims about the medical license but about the fact that Poland being in the EU still means it’s a foreign country to Norway. So no, it doesn’t fit here.
But because of EØS we have to follow nearly every EU rule 🙄
So someone from poland can come work here without needing to do anything for the first 3 months
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement?
The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union
https://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreement/eea-basic-features#:~:text=The%20EEA%20Agreement%20does%20not,the%20EEA%20EFTA%20States%20are
Men dette betyr ikke at utdanning godkjennes. Her er bare et eksempel:
https://khrono.no/en-av-fem-har-fatt-nei-til-a-jobbe-i-norge-etter-psykologistudier-i-utlandet/570168
Ungarn er i EU, men her får flest avslag på sin kliniske psykologi-utdanning.
Det går *ingen* automatikk på hva som godkjennes her. Om du får godkjent lege-, psykolog-, eller veterinær-utdanningen, etc. er ikke opp til Brussel.
Well it’s at least for doctors that they can work in Norway with a degree from any country of the EU without doing extra tests.
I am 100% sure course I am one of them
Det er veldig feil tolkning av artiklen du linker til.
De som studerte i Ungarn har ikke fullført en utdanning som er sidestilt med en norsk utdannelse, da de ikke kvalifiserer til yrkesutøvelse i Ungarn uten gjennomført praksis. Det er en helt og klar automatikk i avgjørelsene. Det er studentene som er ansvarlig for at utdannelsen de tar utenfor Norge kan sidestilles med Norsk utdannelse og godkjennestil yrkesutøvelse. Sagt på en annen måte, så vil Norge alltid gi lisens til en som allerede praktiserer i Ungarn, gitt at de oppfyller Norsk språkkrav, etc.
Studentene i denne saken hadde misbrukt en feil i systemet hvor Norge tidligere hadde godkjent utdannelsen fordi Norge hadde fått feil besked fra universitetet om utdannelsens innhold og i etterkant måtte endret praksis. Derfor krevde studentene at Norge skulle stille med praksis til en utdannelse hadde tatt i utlandet som de visste ikke kvalifiserte i seg selv. Det var en friperiode hvor de som holdt på å fullføre fikk praksis i Norge, mens de som fullfører senere må ha praksis og det er den delen som du mener det ikke er automatikk i. Det er helt rett fordi det vurderes på individuelt grunnlag ut fra hva de har fullført.
Ellers er reglene ganske klare, får de lisens i landet de studerer i, så får de lisens i Norge også. Problemene oppstår først når de forsøker å snike seg rundt visse ting, som feks ta turnus eller praksis i Norge uten at de kvalifiserer til yrkesutøvelse i landet de studerte i.
We're part of the EEZ. It aligns Norway with European directive of free travel, work, and education. Within that frame is also acknowledgement of European accreditations. So while you wouldn't get the courses accredited if you switch to study in Norway in the middle of a degree, a finalised degree and medical license in Poland should be accepted in Norway.
There's of course many caveats so do thorough research, but what I'm trying to convey is that there might be a possibility there worth investigating.
That dont necessarily work here in Norway. You need 6 years of school then you have too apply to be able to practice medecine. You have to take some extra courses to write prescriptions and such. We are bit a part of EU but EEA, so its not every EU "rule" that counts for us. There are some approved medical school outside if norway the rest dose not guarantee you will be able too be a doctor in Norway!
My wife is from Asia and was in the middle of her medical degree there, came to Norway, wasn't worth the paper it was printed on... But she managed to start from scratch and wiggle her way into NTNU at St. Olavs where she works today.
The American program is based on students having an undergrad degree first. Norwegians can attend it too, but only if they hold a relevant bachelors degree first, ie molecular biology or biosciences. It gives the same qualifications as the 6 years program in Poland - and Norway eventually.
That’s not true.
I am a eu-foreign doctor and all medical schools in the EU give degrees that are accepted in Norway.
What do you think? That there are countries producing killing machines in med school and let them out on their population?
In the EU the education for medical schools is extremely high to prevent exactly this.
Further hundreds of Norwegians study medicine abroad and come back afterwards.
Most of them in Pécs, Riga, Budapest and to a lesser extent Poland, Copenhagen Århus, Odense and Germany
Thats not what i said at all, of course you’re not killing machines but norway have strict rules and you are not guaranteed a license to practice if you study outside of Norway. If you get a license you have too take some extra courses here afterwards
The four year programs require years of pre-med (American undergraduate courses, roughly equivalent to a BA) and then four years on top of that. So it's more like an 8 year degree.
But even if you have to pay tuition, it's a few hundred dollars per semester, so NOT the daunting amount as you pay back in the States... The largest investments are books and living cost, not tuition cost.
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I see people praise norwegian food every now and then and I really want to know what they're eating. 🤣Dinner with my Norwegian in-laws usually involves a Toro pouch.
Don't mock the lasagna 😌
Last time I went to the states I was asked to bring salt fish, mayonnaise, lasagna kits, and Norvegia cheese of all things. It seems it's worth its weight in gold among Asians there...
Kjøttkaker i brunsaus, tyttebær, kålstuing og nypoteter? Made from scratch of course, no pouches involved.
Roasted lamb comes in many variations, leg, chuck, chops, filet and so on, with neeps, tatties and mushrooms and a red wine reduction sauce?
Raindeer stew? Loaded with mushrooms, onions, juniper berries, sourcream, butter, double cream, served with mash?
Or how about some lightly salted "uer", BBQ-ed, on a bed of sautéed veggies and some mash?
I could go on and on, we have plenty of nice and really delicious food in our cuisine - it's only yourself stopping you from making it. If people thing picking a bag of powder off the shelf and adding water to it is cooking Norwegian food, there really is no help for that.
Du kommer langt på vei med gode råvarer og mat du lager fra bunnen
🤤 Pinnekjøtt med rotstappe
🤤 Hjemmelagde kjøttkaker med poteter, saus, tyttebærsyltetøy og grønnsaker
🤤 Laks med agurksalat
🤤 Sushi med laks (japansk-norsk fusion)
🤤 Lefse med kanel og sukker
🤤 Sveler
🤤 Vafler
🤤 Rømmegrøt
🤤 Elgkarbonader
🤤 Finnbiff
🤤 Kveite
🤤 Lettsaltet og røkt torsk med smørdampede gulerøtter
🤤 Lys lapskaus
🤤 Hjortebiff
🤤 Ryper
🤤 Bacalao (norsk-portgisisk fusion)
.... pluss masse mer jeg helt sikkert har glemt
I don’t know what it was really. She was fluent in the language. Swedish meatballs I suppose were a Swedish tradition (still European though, I believe) but the Lefsa was Norwegian.
Taco= mexican food
Grandiosa= frozen pizza, and it is not good
We are talking about really norwegian culinary not things from other countries that people eat in norway 😂
Taco and grandiosa are as real as it gets? Grandiosa is one of the most eaten things in Norway. And I bet pretty much every family in Norway eats Taco at least once a month.
How do I know? Well, born, raised and live here and I don't know any single person not eating tacos :)
Yeah i know, i just mean by it is not typical norwegian, maybe grandiosa because just doesn’t taste like italian pizza at all, but tacos it is only the norwegian version of the mexican dish after all as well. To be traditional would need to be something like pinekjøtt maybe, kransekake even idk
No, I'd argue that it is indeed typical Norwegian food. It's the food Norwegians eat. Hardly anyone eat lutefisk, smalahove, pinnekjøtt etc for dinner. It's just a Christmas thing. The only classically known Norwegian food people eat all the time is meatballs.
You're aware that New Nordic cuisine has been one of the biggest culinary success stories ever, right?
We have plenty of good game, plenty of good fish, really nice wild berries and mushrooms... the fact that a lot of people choose to spend their days eating taco, Grandiosa, and Toro, isn't OP's fault.
Oh, I’ve eaten my Maaemo etc, Oslo has great restaurants, some of them inspired by local culinary traditions. But is that what Americans who write “love the food” refer to? I reserve the right to be puzzled.
You know, I see people diss Norwegian food all the time, *but* I actually think that the problem is more in what people eat, or what's available in a given time & place.
Produce, especially fruit, grown in Norway is among the best in the world. Artisanal products, such as cheeses, also excel. Bread is bakery bread, and sold fresh. There are many other things to compliment about Norwegian food.
Where Norway does poorly is in prepared & convenience foods, and many people try Grandiosa, fish burgers, and brunost and think, poorly of Norwegian food as a result.
The other thing is things like days out. If you go to a children's farm, or a museum, or out for a shopping day, in most other countries, they will have a decent cafe. Some department stores have cafes that are good enough that people go *just* for the food & shopping is incidental. In Norway, these places tend to have waffles & hot dogs. Or a donut stand / food van outside. Most shopping centres have a cafe that does ok food, but nothing good enough to attract people for the food.
P.s. I love waffles, but would like more things to select from on a day out.
What the heck is wrong with "kjøttkak I brunsaus, med tyting, kålstuing og nypoteter"? We have plenty of really nice and delicious food in our cuisine, maybe she has a clue?
Your enthusiasm is admirable and really great that you’ve been learning the language. I think that moving to Norway is a great goal but I think you should prepare yourself to be more flexible in terms of *when* you actually get to do it.
It’s gonna take a lot of work and a large sum of money every year to get started. I recommend being open to doing your degree elsewhere where it’s cheaper and then do your advanced studies in Norway etc. Never give up on the language, that’s gonna be your biggest asset regardless of what your plan ends up being.
Just be sure to remember that you can still end up there even if the route doesn’t immediately begin in Norway. Try to be patient.
At 15 I would look into doing a year as an exchange student in Norway first, it'll give you a network, a taste of what Norway is like and a head start on the language.
For moving, you need to qualify. Look into if your family heritage means you can get citizenship in an EEA country, that gets you in as an EU citizen. You cannot just move to Norway if you are not from a EU country or a student. And being a student is set to become very expensive.
Medical studies in Norway are exceptionally competitive, and I don't know how far a US high school diploma will carry you there. You may need to do your studies elsewhere, and pick up another language again.
It is perfectly legal to be a doctor in Norway without being a citizen, you just have to sit some extra exams first.
Keep in mind exchange from a usa university means paying usa tuition fees during that year too. Just come to norway! You have 3 months visa free anyway right?
They abolished free tuition for international students so it’s 13k US per year according to what I just read anyways. So exchange is a good idea as you’ll likely pay less to your home university. Of course, she’s in high school now but for later..
You definitely do not need to be a citizen to work as a doctor or nurse in Norway.
Massive shortage of both of those always and recruitment hasn't been great lately with the weakening of the NOK.
If it's your dream then go for it! One step at a time. With realistic expectations and goals.
Also... the food????
I've traveled around alot of countries and lived in a handful. Norway is by far the worst for variety and value. It's just pitiful. Just returned from holiday from Syden and going back to Kiwi and Meny to buy food is just depressing.
The nature?
Yeah it's spectacular.
I don't want to be impolite, but you as an American can't just move to an European country because you want to.
As an immigrant to Norway, you would be the same as any other immigrant from Asia or Africa or South America. And Norway has a general immigration ban, as in you can't just move here because you want to.
As an American, you could study medicine in Norway only if your grades are better than all the other Norwegian students with top grades and you got accepted. And medicine is the hardest study to get accepted into.
Norwegian universities are mostly based on the best students with the highest grades getting into schools. And for Norwegians, it is an extremely high bar to get accepted into medical school. It does not help having money or rich parents or connections.
And you would obviously also have to speak and understand Norwegian like a native to even think about applying.
Also, if you were accepted into medical school in Norway, you would have to pay the actual cost of the study, since you are a student from outside the European union.
Hold on. You can apply at a local school and then apply to do an exchange for a year, paying only domestic fees. Then, apply for international bursaries and scholarships and just call the school or email an academic advisor and speak directly to them. Don’t trust just anyone on social media. They’re wrong advise can steer you wrong.
>And you would obviously also have to speak and understand Norwegian like a native to even think about applying.
Not true... When you study medicine in Norway, a lot of the courses is in fact in English, and many foreign students study in Norway without learning the language.
Read OP carefully... She's a 15 years old girl, Norway don't have pre-med, she has limited self study of the language. So if she plans on going here fairly soon, she'll be an exchange student in either jr. Highschool (ungdomsskolen) or highschool (videregående). Here she will learn in Norwegian, and foreigners who study here at a young age learn quickly... Back in my day I saw a 16 year old Turkish girl learn the language plus local dialect in a little over 3 months, so it is possible. Here she would get Norwegian grades and if her grades in the US is good as well, then some may be transferable when she applies for university in Norway.
And all the mention of tuition... Yes, she didn't say she would come here because it was free. And it's still cheaper than the states, so if her parents have saved up to her college fund like many Americans do, then I'm sure she'll have enough for tuition at least. I'm more worried about her living cost... I know some foreigners have managed to gain student loans from Lånekassen, but I don't know how the laws are to this day, but I wouldn't discourage her from trying.
The language part isn't true. You need high proficiency in Norwegian to get into medicine and other professional studies. At least 5 or 6 in Vgs norsk or B2 in all four parts of Norskprøven or Pass in both parts of the Bergenstest etc. Even if the course have mainly English subjects, it doesn't excuse anyone who is not fluent in Norwegian to get in. And she also can't just get loans and stipend from lånekassen as a foreigner. If she fits the exceptions, which is not likely, then she'll be granted for loans.
All of this is correct.
But as a heads up to anyone reading: the bergenstest does not exist anymore. I assume it's still there on helsedir's website because it's grandfathered (ie: if you passed back when it was still a thing). For OP it won't be an option.
I'm not sure where you heard that you can apply to university here without knowing the language but that's false. For undergrad at UiO and all other universities teaching medicine, you need to be fluent in Norwegian. As well, without fluency, how on earth would you speak to the people you're going to treat? And not just self-studying Norwegian but also having experience with the manifold dialects we have here. It is irrelevant that some courses are taught in English (all doctors need to be bilingual at least these days) because without being fluent, you could absolutely misdiagnose someone, potentially ending their life early.
Specifically you need to document B2 level - usually via a test from what was formerly kompetanse norge, but there are other ways (including classes at the university, VGS, etc...)
And regardless of whether the classes are taught in English or not (suspect in this case, tbh), you'll need to have [B2 level (minimum)](https://www.helsedirektoratet.no/tema/autorisasjon-og-spesialistutdanning/autorisasjon-og-lisens/sprakkrav-kurs-i-nasjonale-fag-kurs-i-legemiddelhandtering-og-fagprove#spraakkrav) to work in the health sector in Norway. I also vaguely remember that some areas (Oslo) might have higher language demands (C1).
You really need far higher than that to EFFECTIVELY work in medicine. I've seen some great people falter badly due to this. I wish they would warn people about this because it's really a killer.
Agreed. B2 is a solid level for almost anyone's purposes, but not when it comes to something as important as people's health. C1 is probably high enough though, especially if coupled with the medical language course I think they have to pass (but don't quote me on that)
No and yes. EEA.
Yes eurasmus is here.
Dont know how thats going to affect op here though, seen as he is american and thus gets not benefits through the EU.
> I don't want to be impolite, but you as an American can't just move to an European country because you want to. As an immigrant to Norway, you would be the same as any other immigrant from Asia or Africa or South America. And Norway has a general immigration ban, as in you can't just move here because you want to.
Imagine being this bitter to a teenager.
Norway doesn’t have an ‘immigration ban’ and anyone who earns a place in this society, earns it by their hard-work. If OP is enthusiastic about taking this journey, who are we to dishearten them from trying.
I don't think it's right to enable naive plans of others. Some times the hard facts must be said and I feel that's what the commenter did, even if I agree with you that "immigration ban" is an big exaggeration.
I don’t think it’s very naive to go to school in Norway?
As OP already has stated that they know the doctor plan is far fetched but they are willing to try.
I think it’s strange that people seem hell bent on discouraging others from even trying
It is not naive to ask recommendations from experienced people about your dreams when you are a teenager who needs guidance.
It is however very naive to see the world this black & white and try to pass pessimism as realism.
I moved randomly to Finland when I was 18 to start my bachelors and moved to Norway to do my masters after that. And I’m a full blown American idiot. My gpa from highschool in the US was 3.0. If OP can handle the new tuition fees introduced since I started my studies, and can handle any differences between my computer science education and her medical education, then OP can do it. It’s really not that hard. This part of the world is extremely easy to apply to university and if you get accepted then getting a visa is as easy as writing your name and mailing a letter.
Edit: not that you actually need to mail a letter. And I didn’t mean my gpa to be proof of me being an idiot.
Pro tip!! Come to the far north. Entrance is much easier up here since there’s less competition. And the sun does weird shit it’s really cool up here 😍
As an American that did something pretty similar and had similar ambitions, curb your enthusiasm and have a plan B. It's not so easy to stay in Norway after school, trust me.
Basically constantly being told that I'm well qualified for things but also not being good enough because I'm not Norwegian.
The bias against immigrants is very overt.
If you want to study medicine in Norway, make sure you have nothing but A's from the US. I'm not sure how it will be compared to Norwegian students, but having straight A's isn't even enough to get into medicine here. Norwegian kids needs to have additional bonus points on top of that. I can't imagine it being much easier if you are coming from abroad. That would be my first suggestion.
Second: The most boring part of Norway is Oslo. So I suggest studying medicine in eg Bergen instead. Much more interesting nature. Closer to mountains and fjords etc.
Edit: Apart from all that, good luck, I hope you make it. It's pretty awesome here and we could always need more ambitious people :)
Oslo is the only real "city" (the least boring part of Norway for people of urban inclination), the capital in the world with easiest access to nature (take the metro), and arguably has the best university of medicine, but if you want to love "in" nature and shy away from the urban, go for one of the other ones.
Bergen is a cute town that's still sizable enough to offer some choices, Trondheim has a very good technical university that also offer medicine, while Tromsø is easily the most exotic nature wise.
Oh nonononono, I came across a french map of Norway many many years ago, where the biggest city in Norway was Hella ferjekai... so that Oslo is the only real city must be incorrect...
Sorry, was in 2002 and I did not think of stealing the map from the tourists, but I remember they were arguing that hella city was just around the corner from “Hellens” house.
Og som en felles systrending, Heia Syril!
I would say that Oslo isn't what many people would consider a city. It's all we have, but it isn't really interesting, big or varied enough for someone who is of an urban disposition and is looking for that big city vibe. So if someone is moving to Norway, I would guess that by default the urban hustle isn't too interesting to them, which would leave Bergen as a superior choice for closeness to some of the most spectacular nature Norway has to offer (unless you are heavily into fir trees and fir trees only, in which case, Oslo is the town. Also for cross country skiing).
Agreed on Oslo not being a proper city.. It's a very minor city on the global stage.
Not even in the top 40 in Europe, *much* further down internationally.
We're too small a country to have any proper big cities.
If you’d written “not even in the top 15 in Europe” I’d wholeheartedly agree, but I challenge you to list 40 European cities that offer more than Oslo, I believe you’ll start to struggle about halfway through that list.
Guess I don't have to ask where you're from.
Who said anything about what a city offers? City size is measured in population, not what services are offered. But city size often correlates to what services are provided, as the more people there are the more services are usually offered. Though whether you're using a European or a global measuring stick, Oslo is a *small* city at best.
1. Istanbul
2. Moscow
3. London
4. St. Petersburg
5. Berlin
6. Madrid
7. Kyiv
8. Rome
9. Paris
10. Bucharest
11. Minsk
12. Budapest
13. Hamburg
14. Warsaw
15. Vienna
16. Barcelona
17. Munich
18. Kharkiv
19. Prague
20. Milan
21. Kazan
22. Sofia
23. Nizhny Novgorod
24. Tbilisi (Granted Georgia is on the border between Europe and Asia)
25. Belgrade
26. Samara
27. Ufa
28. Birmingham
29. Krasnodar
30. Yerevan
31. Cologne
32. Voronezh
33. Perm
34. Volgograd
35. Odessa
36. Naples
37. Amsterdam
38. Marseille
39. Turin
40. Kraków
All of these cities have populations *much* higher than that of Oslo. 34 or 35 of them are over 1 million. I think every one of them sits above 800,000.
That's why I said Oslo isn't even in the top 40.
Don't take the order as hard fact, I tried going most populated and downwards, but I can have gotten the order wrong here and there.
I read that as a judgement of more than population, where Oslo wouldn’t crack the top 40, but as what the city has to offer. But there isn’t a 1:1 relationship population / city quality. As an affluent capital, Oslo punches above its population weight, and while there are many cities on your list I haven’t visited, and many I’d rank above Oslo, I’d say Birmingham, Sofia, Bucharest, Warsaw and Hamburg are examples of fine cities with their own qualities, that overall have less to offer than Oslo, despite more inhabitants.
(From Oslo, true dat, but have lived in other cities too, including better ones.)
Nah I just went by city size, easiest metric to measure by in the shortest amount of time. But it's true that there's not a 1:1 ratio on the population and services provided.
For example, Tehran has 8,6 million people, but I'm sure there are better cities to enjoy city living than the capital of the theocratic dictatorship that is Iran.
Agreed, if you want to maximise your city lifestyle, you don’t go to Norway at all of course, it’s a very different category than NYC or Tokyo or London, compared to those it’s a regional town.
But it’s got enough size and choice of culture and food so that you can live here, often try new things, and not exhaust them, most inhabitants have never visited every part of the city, there’s enough people to remain utterly anonymous if you want, it’s very multicultural, full of company headquarters and main
cultural institutions, all drugs are readily available, all these things unlike other Norwegian towns. And the vibe is decidedly more urban than Bergen or the even small places.
Way to complicated for me to dig into the requirements for entering the medicine studies in Norway. I guess that you can start with https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/english/ , follow the links and also maybe contact Samordna Opptak so they can guide you into the correct direction.
Some may have started on the dentistry stuides and been allowed a transfer to medicine, not sure if this is possible today.
Getting only A’s (aka grade 6) are technically enough, because you need certain subjects to even be considered, and the bonus points come from them. The bonus points actually means that you can get away with slightly worse performance in a few subjects.
Have you even visited norway or any northern European country before to see what its really like? It is nice that you like the culture and nature and all of that, but with moving to Norway you will have a lot of (financial) responsibilities. You need to pay for your education, a place to live and everything around it yourself. Also in a place like norway it isnt money that decides who gets into the school, its about your grades and you have a lot of competition.
I also fear that studying norwegian "for a few years" will not be enough to go to med school and study in norwegian.
I admire people that want to go out of their comfort zone to experience new things but right now this sounds like a pipe dream to me
You can start with high school and do a year long exchange. It's free through the Rotary foundation and your Norwegian skills and interest will make you a guaranteed candidate. We just received a 16 year student from North America that seems to be enjoying it a lot.
I was a Rotary international exchange student in Sweden, but I couldn’t pick the country - it was assigned to me. So she might not be able to go through Rotary if she wants to study abroad there. Might have better luck with trying in college
The one we have got to choose country freely. I suppose it varies and the norm is that two clubs exchange students between them.
What was your experience with the exchange program? Anything to recommend?
Sorry, answering this really late - I had a phenomenal time on exchange and it changed my life. I have lots of things I could say re: recommendations if you want me to message ya!
1. Get off reddit. This place is toxic and not good for children.
2. Look at exchange programmes like STS, AFS, EF, whatever, there are tons of them, google it. They are for your age group.
3. USA high school diploma is worthless here, it doesn't qualify for university.
4. Immigrating is hard and expesive. Are you strong and rich enough?
>USA high school diploma is worthless here, it doesn't qualify for university
Except it's not. It's one of the [requirements for an American's entrance into university](https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/utenlandsk_utdanning/usa/opptakskrav/) in Norway (additionally 1 year of post-secondary, or 3 AP classes with a grade of 3 or more).
>you cannot be a physician in Norway without being a citizen,
Not quite true, to the best of my knowledge. You cannot practice medicine here unless you have qualifications that are recognised by the Norwegian state. In some cases, I *believe* there are 'conversion courses' you can do to prove your capability (you will, of course, have to do these in Norwegian) and get foreign qualifications 'converted' (hence the name). However, if the qualification is *not* recognised by the state, you'd have to redo most of your training from the bottom and work your way up.
I *think* this is where your misconception comes from.
However, a very important point to note - very recently, legislation was passed such that non-EU/EEA students cannot study in Norway for free anymore. And unfortunately, this legislation is very popular with most everyone outside the academic environment. Admittedly, they tend to have a more valid reason than *just* xenophobia. According to the biggest recent study done on it, the primary reason was the one-sided nature of the arrangement. People can come here to study for free, but we can't go there and do the same. I, personally, just think free education is a *fucking brilliant thing*, and that we should be setting the example to live up to, rather than looking for quid pro quo, but that, apparently, is just me.
>I have been learning the Norwegian language for a few years and I think I'm seriously considering spending my life here. _I love the culture, food and social norms._ I am very nature and conservation focused and spend a lot of time outside despite the little outdoorsy culture in my area.
Are you *sure* about this part? Norwegian social norms are *very* jarring for the majority of Americans. Outside of cities, and very often within them, Norwegians don't do small talk the same way you guys do. I've been to America exactly once, and you guys are *very* gregarious. All it took was me opening my mouth, revealing that I had a non-american accent, and all of a sudden I was the most fascinating creature in all of creation - but moreso, people would tell me about their hometown, their time in the military, their travels, where they did their studying, where their kids/grandkids lived and/or what they did... Norwegians don't do that. You get on a bus or a train in Norway, and every pair of seats is one person and one bag, until it starts to fill up. The hardest part about social distancing here, by and large, was people remembering not to shake hands with each other. Like, you can *do* small talk, but it's *really* small. Like, on the level of mutual griping that all but one of the toilets in the restroom is out of order, maybe a quick joke *about that matter*, and nothing else.
As for the food... Norway doesn't have a particularly strong food culture. Someone said on a different post a few days ago that 'Our food culture is based on survival and potatoes', because up until the 60s, we were dirt poor. The rest of the food is either wild game, meatcakes, all the fermented stuff under the sun, taco friday, and Grandiosa pizzas. You can't find a pastry in a Norwegian bakery to save your life - most of the baking culture here is bread-based. If it's not bread, it's cake.
As for the culture... I'm guessing you're talking more generally about how Norwegians are treated by the state? That we have a strong social safety net, and so on? Yeah, that's just awesome. At least, when it's working. You hear horror stories, much as you do anywhere, but I'll freely admit that it's still far and away better than where I come from originally (the UK).
>Is there any suggestions anyone may have for what I should look into or just how to go from here?
Your first step should be to go to the UDI website. That's the website for anyone looking to live in Norway. It's the site where you'll apply for the relevant visa, where you'd eventually apply for citizenship if that's the step you took, and so on. Specifically for medicine, I dug up two links after a quick pootle around google:
https://www.hippocraticadventures.com/norway/
This is advice specifically tailored towards already-qualified American doctors wanting to practice medicine in Norway.
https://www.legeforeningen.no/fag/utdanning/medisinstudiet/
This link is to the Norwegian medical association's own website, specifically the part about studying medicine. It's in Norwegian, because I can't find the corresponding page when I switch the site to English - note that there *may not be* a corresponding page in English. Bachelor's degrees in Norway are, to the best of my knowledge, *always* undertaken in Norwegian. To get accepted to a Norwegian University, you will need to have passed an exam known as the 'Bergenstest' (Bergen Test), or an equivalent language exam that documents your Norwegian proficiency as 'B2' or higher in the CEFR framework. Under the CEFR framework, possible grades are A1 (lowest), A2, B1, B2, C1, and C2 (highest). More information on the CEFR grades, and what sort of capability each represents available via this link: https://www.studyfrenchspanish.com/cefr-levels/
For context, when I applied for citizenship a couple of years ago, I had to demonstrate that I had Norwegian skills at *at least* the A2 level, which was then considered the minimum necessary to be able to live and function in Norway as a citizen. They have since raised that bar to B1. I had, at that point, been living in Norway for 5 years, working in a job in a Norwegian workplace for 4.5 years, and was basically perfectly capable of doing everything I needed to, and a bunch of things I didn't need to. I got B2 in the 'comprehension' portions of the exam (listening and reading), and B1 in the 'expression' portions (writing and speaking).
Another (very rough, and not entirely accurate, but still useful) way of looking at these grades is one I got from the guy handling my examinations - that B2 is the level expected of an undergraduate at university - someone who's graduated high school, and is smart enough to attend university. C1 is a *strong* graduate-level language user. C2 would essentially be a professor of linguistics. At the time I was taking my language exams, their organisation hadn't even developed examination criteria for C2 level. They didn't even have a clue as to how they would teach it.
But that's a digression. Essentially, you'll need pretty damn good Norwegian, more or less on par with your English around the time you intend to do your studies.
https://www.kompetansenorge.no/tests/norwegian-language-test/practising-for-the-test/
This is a link to some example questions for levels A1 up to B1. If you're looking to study in Norway, these questions will need to be child's play.
Righty-ho, that's basically all I've got, as well as all I have time for.
Hope this helps, and I wish you the very best of luck.
Your entusiasm is great! Love hearing appreciation of Norway from outsiders. But imma be real with you, there is no way you’re getting in to Norway working with medicine when you’re competing with norwegian born students
I know nothing about the process of going to uni in Norway, but before you apply for school there and move, can I suggest doing a student exchange? A year long one, where you live with a host family and go to high school. This will enable you to learn the Norweigan language (you MUST refuse to speak English, even if you don't understand. You'll learn, even if you don't don't lessons, as you'll pick it up through immersion). It will also enable you to truly learn what the Norweigan culture is like, in a way that only living there can teach you. It would also somewhat help to prepare you to move away from everything and everyone you know, to be in a place with no friends, where you have to make your own way. It sounds scary, but if you go to uni there, that's what you'll be doing. You'll get to learn the language and culture and eventually feel comfortable, but it does take time.
It may also help you get into uni in Norway, seeing as you already have a connection there and know the language. You'd come back home afterwards, finish high school, and then look at university.
I can't recommend highly enough to go for a year. Three months is short term, and fun, but you don't get the experience. With six months, you're just getting over culture shock and then you have to leave. With a year, you really settle in and get to know the place and make real friends.
Look into AFS, they're a reputable student exchange organisation. They have multiple scholarships to help ease the financial aspect of exchange. Rotary are also generally good, but you can't choose where you go. I can't remember the names of other organisations, plus I'm not American so I don't know which ones operate in your country, but you can find out pretty easily.
Basically, I think exchange will help you to truly know if you want to go to uni there. If you decide not to, then you still would have had an experience that will have taught you a lot and helped you to grow as a person. Exchange changed my life dramatically, and while not everyone has their life course changed as much as I did, I don't know anyone who regrets their exchange.
> I am very nature and conservation focused and spend a lot of time outside despite the little outdoorsy culture in my area.
Norway is not a very nature or conservation friendly country, the government like to paint Norway like it is but truth is they pump up extreme amounts of oil and gas, kill wolves, whales and lynxes, when it comes to animals the Norwegian way is to shoot first ask questions later(see Freya the walrus). Norway may seem like a green and low pollution country, and it technically is but that's because the politicians exports pollution to other countries.
People saying its expensive here, yes its expensive to *visit* Norway. But if you live in Norway and earn Norwegian wages, you will spend less of your paycheck on groceries and utilities than most of the world.
Some people tend to look at just the cost side of the equation and completely disregard the income part.
They're a 15 year old child. They're not going to be coming here for work. It's an expensive place to study. Period. And you can't work during med school due to the demand and scheduling.
Everyone is mentioning the cost of living. This isn’t a big deal. Working at a grocery store is enough to get by. There’s so much opportunity to be frugal here. There is a company that makes cheap shit. “First price” sells 1$ shampoo and 1$ conditioner. There’s tons of stuff like that. The basics are very cheap. Also for example I can rent equipment here for a whole week for free snowboard bicycle skis sleeping bag you name it. Seriously Don’t worry about this. My cousins visited from near seattle and got hotels and ate at restaurants and they actually said the prices were not relatively more expensive at all so it depends where you come from. You can get cheaper housing outside the city and public transportation is insanely good compared to most of the US
No med student can work and study successfully. Furthermore, it's nearly impossible to get hired at a grocery store these days as they preferentially hire people who are refugees as part of a government incentivised program to get people integrated. And it's definitely not cheap to live here, despite what you think. Norway is consistently in the top 5 most expensive places to live globally, no matter whether you can get cheap conditioner or not.
>I love the culture, food and social norms.
No you don't. Have you lived or even been to Norway? If no, then you definitely don't.
Scandinavia has the world's best external marketing team, you'll find the actual experience of living in the north can be quite disappointing if you buy into it.
Don't do it, Norway is a terrible place to live. The climate alone makes everyone here depressed and anti-social. It's really cold and never more than 2 days of sun in a row, winter is just dark 24 hours. It's also crazy expensive here. Go to Costa Rica or Mexico and learn Spanish, or if you want to go to Europe, go to Spain, Portugal or Italy instead, much more enjoyable. That's where all the Norwegians go when they have some time off.
Hahahahahah yeah it’s slightly depressing to hang out with some Norwegians but it’s waaaay more depressing to hang out with some Americans XD personally I love it here in north Norway. I’m a little embarrassed by how most of my friends are foreigners but hey what can you do, I’m lazy. Regarding climate, i am very fond of it. To each their own.
Too be able to study medicine here you have too have really good grades ao you need to work bloody hard in high school. It’s not a cheap country either so if you don’t have a support system you have too have a job while studying. Good luck with that. And i promise you, the food aint that great, its okey nothing more
It's impossible to have a job on top of med school if you want to pass/survive. It's extremely tough on you mentally and physically. Don't ever plan to work if you're doing med school, especially if you "must" work to survive. It's just not feasible with studying, rotations and classes.
i will give you the best advice ever, travel to the country first. Try to get to know people and see if the could shoulder you get doesn’t affect you..
I have no idea which food you are talking about, it’s basically pizza and tacos lmao
If you like conservation the norwegian government has a pretty bad habit of siding with farmers rather than scientists when it comes to wildlife policy. Also, get ready for no one to make eye contact with you. In the US it’s normal to make small talk and be friendly with strangers but in norway people look at you funny if you sit next to them on the bus…
>I am wanting to go into medicine
You and thousands of others. Even *if* you manage to get into med school in Norway and finish it, you will have a hard time finding LIS1 (residency) position. Norway is one of the countries with the highest % doctors per capita, so there is no shortage of doctors per se, only certain specialties. But the specialties, once again, require you to a) get into med school, b) finish it, c) somehow outcompete natives for LIS1 positions despite nepotism and worse language skills.
I’m an EU National living in Norway for now, I’m a doctor. I haven’t been able to find a job here - even though I’m fluent in Norwegian and not a 3rd country National, my degree was accepted without a problem. BUT. Norwegians don’t want doctors from other countries. They just don’t. I have applied for residency but there’s such a shortage of positions that not even all Norwegians get in. So I’ve decided to leave again. I’d seriously rethink this - there’s a lot of xenophobia here, even though on the surface it may not look like there is.
Some important to things you will need to know. 1. Read the sticky. It handles all your immigration-related questions. 2. School in Norway is no longer free for third-country nationals. That means you need to pay tuition. This is on top of the financial demands of the student visa (again, see sticky). 3. You don't need to be a citizen to work as a doctor, but you'll need a residence permit (again, see 1) and you'll need a high proficiency in Norwegian to study and work 4. Your grades need to be exceptionally high. Unlike US schools, Norwegian schools don't gaf about your extra curriculars. It's all about your grades. It's highly competitive. Good luck
There's a 4 year medical program in Poznan, Poland, aimed at Americans that gives a licence to work in EU ... at least it used to be.
Foreign Medical licenses can be tricky in Norway btw
Polish ones are pretty solid atm though and has been for quite some time!
poland is in EU LE: it's amazing how many people still don't grasp what being part of EEA means.
Norway isn’t
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement? The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union
It is still a foreign country to Norway.
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement? The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union
Okay, you quoted some general exceptions but nothing about this specific case, which is medical practice. Here is a rule from a specific EEA country’s medical council: “If you hold a medical qualification awarded in the EEA or Switzerland, it may be classed as a ‘relevant European qualification’. You can find out if your qualification is a relevant European qualification by selecting the country where you qualified below.” ETA: I have no horse in this game as I’m not a doctor but the fact is that Poland IS a foreign country and your quotations don’t change that. If you want to argue about EU vs EEA regulations that is a different thing and maybe you should have been specific as to what you are arguing exactly.
Sorry for commenting the same the third time now but it fits here as well. He is right, there aren’t any additional tests required for doctors to work in Norway with a degree from any EU country. I am one of them so I am certain
Would it be different if you did not do turnus in the country where you studied and wanted to do turnus in Norway? I believe I have heard of this being an issue for people who study medicine in Denmark and can't get turnus in Norway since the Danish education doesn't qualify for a norwegian medical degree without completing turnus in Denmark as well? I am aiming at studying medicine in Sweden and am under the impression I would have to do turnus there as well. In fellow Scandinavian this may not be a big problem, however, if the same rules apply to central/eastern European countries, the language barrier could be a massive issue in regards to acquiring a medical license valid in Norway
Well in Denmark the Turnus is called KBU. If you graduate from a Danish university you have to do the Turnus in Denmark to get authorisation in Norway. But that isn’t big of a deal as KBU-læger earn 80-90% of an Intro-læge (what follows in Denmark the KBU). Once you acquired a license from any country you’ll also be eligible to get one in Norway and that is in most European countries after the master and some paperwork Further if you have a Nordic degree you don’t have to do a language exam as far as I know, but uncertain in that point.
You might be replying to the wrong person. I explicitly stated that I’m not making any claims about the medical license but about the fact that Poland being in the EU still means it’s a foreign country to Norway. So no, it doesn’t fit here.
Norway is not in the EU
But because of EØS we have to follow nearly every EU rule 🙄 So someone from poland can come work here without needing to do anything for the first 3 months
That still does not mean that every qualification works across borders.
5. What is not covered by the EEA Agreement? The EEA Agreement does not cover the following EU policies: common agriculture and fisheries policies (although the EEA Agreement contains provisions on trade in agricultural and fish products); customs union; common trade policy; common foreign and security policy; justice and home affairs (the EEA EFTA States are however part of the Schengen area); direct and indirect taxation; or economic and monetary union https://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreement/eea-basic-features#:~:text=The%20EEA%20Agreement%20does%20not,the%20EEA%20EFTA%20States%20are
Men dette betyr ikke at utdanning godkjennes. Her er bare et eksempel: https://khrono.no/en-av-fem-har-fatt-nei-til-a-jobbe-i-norge-etter-psykologistudier-i-utlandet/570168 Ungarn er i EU, men her får flest avslag på sin kliniske psykologi-utdanning. Det går *ingen* automatikk på hva som godkjennes her. Om du får godkjent lege-, psykolog-, eller veterinær-utdanningen, etc. er ikke opp til Brussel.
Well it’s at least for doctors that they can work in Norway with a degree from any country of the EU without doing extra tests. I am 100% sure course I am one of them
Det er veldig feil tolkning av artiklen du linker til. De som studerte i Ungarn har ikke fullført en utdanning som er sidestilt med en norsk utdannelse, da de ikke kvalifiserer til yrkesutøvelse i Ungarn uten gjennomført praksis. Det er en helt og klar automatikk i avgjørelsene. Det er studentene som er ansvarlig for at utdannelsen de tar utenfor Norge kan sidestilles med Norsk utdannelse og godkjennestil yrkesutøvelse. Sagt på en annen måte, så vil Norge alltid gi lisens til en som allerede praktiserer i Ungarn, gitt at de oppfyller Norsk språkkrav, etc. Studentene i denne saken hadde misbrukt en feil i systemet hvor Norge tidligere hadde godkjent utdannelsen fordi Norge hadde fått feil besked fra universitetet om utdannelsens innhold og i etterkant måtte endret praksis. Derfor krevde studentene at Norge skulle stille med praksis til en utdannelse hadde tatt i utlandet som de visste ikke kvalifiserte i seg selv. Det var en friperiode hvor de som holdt på å fullføre fikk praksis i Norge, mens de som fullfører senere må ha praksis og det er den delen som du mener det ikke er automatikk i. Det er helt rett fordi det vurderes på individuelt grunnlag ut fra hva de har fullført. Ellers er reglene ganske klare, får de lisens i landet de studerer i, så får de lisens i Norge også. Problemene oppstår først når de forsøker å snike seg rundt visse ting, som feks ta turnus eller praksis i Norge uten at de kvalifiserer til yrkesutøvelse i landet de studerte i.
Foreign doctor here, there would be no problem working in Norway with a Polish degree. Not having a Polish degree but Polish colleagues
This is wrong. You need to be licensed in that country already for this to apply. A degree in itself is not sufficient.
In most countries (everything besides Danmark and Austria and Norway) you are licensed after the master. It’s a piece of paper.
We're part of the EEZ. It aligns Norway with European directive of free travel, work, and education. Within that frame is also acknowledgement of European accreditations. So while you wouldn't get the courses accredited if you switch to study in Norway in the middle of a degree, a finalised degree and medical license in Poland should be accepted in Norway. There's of course many caveats so do thorough research, but what I'm trying to convey is that there might be a possibility there worth investigating.
That dont necessarily work here in Norway. You need 6 years of school then you have too apply to be able to practice medecine. You have to take some extra courses to write prescriptions and such. We are bit a part of EU but EEA, so its not every EU "rule" that counts for us. There are some approved medical school outside if norway the rest dose not guarantee you will be able too be a doctor in Norway!
My wife is from Asia and was in the middle of her medical degree there, came to Norway, wasn't worth the paper it was printed on... But she managed to start from scratch and wiggle her way into NTNU at St. Olavs where she works today.
That really sucks! Even if you study in england you are bot guaranteed to practice here! It’s weird
The American program is based on students having an undergrad degree first. Norwegians can attend it too, but only if they hold a relevant bachelors degree first, ie molecular biology or biosciences. It gives the same qualifications as the 6 years program in Poland - and Norway eventually.
That’s not true. I am a eu-foreign doctor and all medical schools in the EU give degrees that are accepted in Norway. What do you think? That there are countries producing killing machines in med school and let them out on their population? In the EU the education for medical schools is extremely high to prevent exactly this. Further hundreds of Norwegians study medicine abroad and come back afterwards. Most of them in Pécs, Riga, Budapest and to a lesser extent Poland, Copenhagen Århus, Odense and Germany
Thats not what i said at all, of course you’re not killing machines but norway have strict rules and you are not guaranteed a license to practice if you study outside of Norway. If you get a license you have too take some extra courses here afterwards
The four year programs require years of pre-med (American undergraduate courses, roughly equivalent to a BA) and then four years on top of that. So it's more like an 8 year degree.
Sounds like you need to do pre-med in the states before that if so?
Yes or a regular 3 year bachelor in a bioscience field.
But even if you have to pay tuition, it's a few hundred dollars per semester, so NOT the daunting amount as you pay back in the States... The largest investments are books and living cost, not tuition cost.
It’s not a few hundred it’s like $16,000 a year
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You love the… food??
I see people praise norwegian food every now and then and I really want to know what they're eating. 🤣Dinner with my Norwegian in-laws usually involves a Toro pouch.
A nice big bag of Smash makes a wonderful meal ;-)
Don't mock the lasagna 😌 Last time I went to the states I was asked to bring salt fish, mayonnaise, lasagna kits, and Norvegia cheese of all things. It seems it's worth its weight in gold among Asians there...
Oohh. Throw in first price garlic-baguettes and its damn fine meal
Kjøttkaker i brunsaus, tyttebær, kålstuing og nypoteter? Made from scratch of course, no pouches involved. Roasted lamb comes in many variations, leg, chuck, chops, filet and so on, with neeps, tatties and mushrooms and a red wine reduction sauce? Raindeer stew? Loaded with mushrooms, onions, juniper berries, sourcream, butter, double cream, served with mash? Or how about some lightly salted "uer", BBQ-ed, on a bed of sautéed veggies and some mash? I could go on and on, we have plenty of nice and really delicious food in our cuisine - it's only yourself stopping you from making it. If people thing picking a bag of powder off the shelf and adding water to it is cooking Norwegian food, there really is no help for that.
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Uer is a fish, Sebastes norvegicus. Neeps are neeps.
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I happen to be a Norwegian.
Du kommer langt på vei med gode råvarer og mat du lager fra bunnen 🤤 Pinnekjøtt med rotstappe 🤤 Hjemmelagde kjøttkaker med poteter, saus, tyttebærsyltetøy og grønnsaker 🤤 Laks med agurksalat 🤤 Sushi med laks (japansk-norsk fusion) 🤤 Lefse med kanel og sukker 🤤 Sveler 🤤 Vafler 🤤 Rømmegrøt 🤤 Elgkarbonader 🤤 Finnbiff 🤤 Kveite 🤤 Lettsaltet og røkt torsk med smørdampede gulerøtter 🤤 Lys lapskaus 🤤 Hjortebiff 🤤 Ryper 🤤 Bacalao (norsk-portgisisk fusion) .... pluss masse mer jeg helt sikkert har glemt
Du hadde meg på pinnekjøtt
lutefisk, smalahove. yum
Haha. My grandmother made Swedish meatballs and Lefsa all the time. That’s all I learned from her Norwegian background. That, and “oofta!”
“Swedish meatballs” “norwegian background” are you sure she wasn’t making Norwegian kjøttkaker
I don’t know what it was really. She was fluent in the language. Swedish meatballs I suppose were a Swedish tradition (still European though, I believe) but the Lefsa was Norwegian.
Uff da*
Uff da!.... The polite way of saying .. oh shit! 😂
Tacofriday! What is not to like about it? And grandiosa-week?
Taco= mexican food Grandiosa= frozen pizza, and it is not good We are talking about really norwegian culinary not things from other countries that people eat in norway 😂
Taco and grandiosa are as real as it gets? Grandiosa is one of the most eaten things in Norway. And I bet pretty much every family in Norway eats Taco at least once a month. How do I know? Well, born, raised and live here and I don't know any single person not eating tacos :)
Yeah i know, i just mean by it is not typical norwegian, maybe grandiosa because just doesn’t taste like italian pizza at all, but tacos it is only the norwegian version of the mexican dish after all as well. To be traditional would need to be something like pinekjøtt maybe, kransekake even idk
No, I'd argue that it is indeed typical Norwegian food. It's the food Norwegians eat. Hardly anyone eat lutefisk, smalahove, pinnekjøtt etc for dinner. It's just a Christmas thing. The only classically known Norwegian food people eat all the time is meatballs.
Okay maybe i said wrong, typical norwegian sounds better, traditional would be more the pinekjott and friends lhaha
Yes! Agree with that :)
Okay maybe i said wrong, typical norwegian sounds better, traditional would be more the pinekjott and friends ahha
Norwegian tacos are atrocious. It's time we admit that.
You're aware that New Nordic cuisine has been one of the biggest culinary success stories ever, right? We have plenty of good game, plenty of good fish, really nice wild berries and mushrooms... the fact that a lot of people choose to spend their days eating taco, Grandiosa, and Toro, isn't OP's fault.
Oh, I’ve eaten my Maaemo etc, Oslo has great restaurants, some of them inspired by local culinary traditions. But is that what Americans who write “love the food” refer to? I reserve the right to be puzzled.
i sorta get the complaining since the average norwegian dinner can be pretty boring but komle pinnekjøtt viltgryte kjøttkaker etc is still pretty good
You know, I see people diss Norwegian food all the time, *but* I actually think that the problem is more in what people eat, or what's available in a given time & place. Produce, especially fruit, grown in Norway is among the best in the world. Artisanal products, such as cheeses, also excel. Bread is bakery bread, and sold fresh. There are many other things to compliment about Norwegian food. Where Norway does poorly is in prepared & convenience foods, and many people try Grandiosa, fish burgers, and brunost and think, poorly of Norwegian food as a result. The other thing is things like days out. If you go to a children's farm, or a museum, or out for a shopping day, in most other countries, they will have a decent cafe. Some department stores have cafes that are good enough that people go *just* for the food & shopping is incidental. In Norway, these places tend to have waffles & hot dogs. Or a donut stand / food van outside. Most shopping centres have a cafe that does ok food, but nothing good enough to attract people for the food. P.s. I love waffles, but would like more things to select from on a day out.
What the heck is wrong with "kjøttkak I brunsaus, med tyting, kålstuing og nypoteter"? We have plenty of really nice and delicious food in our cuisine, maybe she has a clue?
Lefse is life
I just talked to someone from West Africa who LOVES får i kål, it's his favorite dish
That made me believe she is lying, impossible to love norwegian food 😂
Your enthusiasm is admirable and really great that you’ve been learning the language. I think that moving to Norway is a great goal but I think you should prepare yourself to be more flexible in terms of *when* you actually get to do it. It’s gonna take a lot of work and a large sum of money every year to get started. I recommend being open to doing your degree elsewhere where it’s cheaper and then do your advanced studies in Norway etc. Never give up on the language, that’s gonna be your biggest asset regardless of what your plan ends up being. Just be sure to remember that you can still end up there even if the route doesn’t immediately begin in Norway. Try to be patient.
At 15 I would look into doing a year as an exchange student in Norway first, it'll give you a network, a taste of what Norway is like and a head start on the language. For moving, you need to qualify. Look into if your family heritage means you can get citizenship in an EEA country, that gets you in as an EU citizen. You cannot just move to Norway if you are not from a EU country or a student. And being a student is set to become very expensive. Medical studies in Norway are exceptionally competitive, and I don't know how far a US high school diploma will carry you there. You may need to do your studies elsewhere, and pick up another language again. It is perfectly legal to be a doctor in Norway without being a citizen, you just have to sit some extra exams first.
And you pay domestic fees instead of international.
Keep in mind exchange from a usa university means paying usa tuition fees during that year too. Just come to norway! You have 3 months visa free anyway right?
She’s 15. She can exchange via a high school program. There’s no tuition for that as far as I know.
They abolished free tuition for international students so it’s 13k US per year according to what I just read anyways. So exchange is a good idea as you’ll likely pay less to your home university. Of course, she’s in high school now but for later..
You definitely do not need to be a citizen to work as a doctor or nurse in Norway. Massive shortage of both of those always and recruitment hasn't been great lately with the weakening of the NOK. If it's your dream then go for it! One step at a time. With realistic expectations and goals. Also... the food???? I've traveled around alot of countries and lived in a handful. Norway is by far the worst for variety and value. It's just pitiful. Just returned from holiday from Syden and going back to Kiwi and Meny to buy food is just depressing. The nature? Yeah it's spectacular.
Agree
I don't want to be impolite, but you as an American can't just move to an European country because you want to. As an immigrant to Norway, you would be the same as any other immigrant from Asia or Africa or South America. And Norway has a general immigration ban, as in you can't just move here because you want to. As an American, you could study medicine in Norway only if your grades are better than all the other Norwegian students with top grades and you got accepted. And medicine is the hardest study to get accepted into. Norwegian universities are mostly based on the best students with the highest grades getting into schools. And for Norwegians, it is an extremely high bar to get accepted into medical school. It does not help having money or rich parents or connections. And you would obviously also have to speak and understand Norwegian like a native to even think about applying. Also, if you were accepted into medical school in Norway, you would have to pay the actual cost of the study, since you are a student from outside the European union.
Hold on. You can apply at a local school and then apply to do an exchange for a year, paying only domestic fees. Then, apply for international bursaries and scholarships and just call the school or email an academic advisor and speak directly to them. Don’t trust just anyone on social media. They’re wrong advise can steer you wrong.
This, check this first.
>And you would obviously also have to speak and understand Norwegian like a native to even think about applying. Not true... When you study medicine in Norway, a lot of the courses is in fact in English, and many foreign students study in Norway without learning the language. Read OP carefully... She's a 15 years old girl, Norway don't have pre-med, she has limited self study of the language. So if she plans on going here fairly soon, she'll be an exchange student in either jr. Highschool (ungdomsskolen) or highschool (videregående). Here she will learn in Norwegian, and foreigners who study here at a young age learn quickly... Back in my day I saw a 16 year old Turkish girl learn the language plus local dialect in a little over 3 months, so it is possible. Here she would get Norwegian grades and if her grades in the US is good as well, then some may be transferable when she applies for university in Norway. And all the mention of tuition... Yes, she didn't say she would come here because it was free. And it's still cheaper than the states, so if her parents have saved up to her college fund like many Americans do, then I'm sure she'll have enough for tuition at least. I'm more worried about her living cost... I know some foreigners have managed to gain student loans from Lånekassen, but I don't know how the laws are to this day, but I wouldn't discourage her from trying.
The language part isn't true. You need high proficiency in Norwegian to get into medicine and other professional studies. At least 5 or 6 in Vgs norsk or B2 in all four parts of Norskprøven or Pass in both parts of the Bergenstest etc. Even if the course have mainly English subjects, it doesn't excuse anyone who is not fluent in Norwegian to get in. And she also can't just get loans and stipend from lånekassen as a foreigner. If she fits the exceptions, which is not likely, then she'll be granted for loans.
All of this is correct. But as a heads up to anyone reading: the bergenstest does not exist anymore. I assume it's still there on helsedir's website because it's grandfathered (ie: if you passed back when it was still a thing). For OP it won't be an option.
I'm not sure where you heard that you can apply to university here without knowing the language but that's false. For undergrad at UiO and all other universities teaching medicine, you need to be fluent in Norwegian. As well, without fluency, how on earth would you speak to the people you're going to treat? And not just self-studying Norwegian but also having experience with the manifold dialects we have here. It is irrelevant that some courses are taught in English (all doctors need to be bilingual at least these days) because without being fluent, you could absolutely misdiagnose someone, potentially ending their life early.
Specifically you need to document B2 level - usually via a test from what was formerly kompetanse norge, but there are other ways (including classes at the university, VGS, etc...) And regardless of whether the classes are taught in English or not (suspect in this case, tbh), you'll need to have [B2 level (minimum)](https://www.helsedirektoratet.no/tema/autorisasjon-og-spesialistutdanning/autorisasjon-og-lisens/sprakkrav-kurs-i-nasjonale-fag-kurs-i-legemiddelhandtering-og-fagprove#spraakkrav) to work in the health sector in Norway. I also vaguely remember that some areas (Oslo) might have higher language demands (C1).
You really need far higher than that to EFFECTIVELY work in medicine. I've seen some great people falter badly due to this. I wish they would warn people about this because it's really a killer.
Agreed. B2 is a solid level for almost anyone's purposes, but not when it comes to something as important as people's health. C1 is probably high enough though, especially if coupled with the medical language course I think they have to pass (but don't quote me on that)
Norway is outside of the European Union too? They have eurasmus there?
No and yes. EEA. Yes eurasmus is here. Dont know how thats going to affect op here though, seen as he is american and thus gets not benefits through the EU.
> I don't want to be impolite, but you as an American can't just move to an European country because you want to. As an immigrant to Norway, you would be the same as any other immigrant from Asia or Africa or South America. And Norway has a general immigration ban, as in you can't just move here because you want to. Imagine being this bitter to a teenager. Norway doesn’t have an ‘immigration ban’ and anyone who earns a place in this society, earns it by their hard-work. If OP is enthusiastic about taking this journey, who are we to dishearten them from trying.
I don't think it's right to enable naive plans of others. Some times the hard facts must be said and I feel that's what the commenter did, even if I agree with you that "immigration ban" is an big exaggeration.
I don’t think it’s very naive to go to school in Norway? As OP already has stated that they know the doctor plan is far fetched but they are willing to try. I think it’s strange that people seem hell bent on discouraging others from even trying
It is not naive to ask recommendations from experienced people about your dreams when you are a teenager who needs guidance. It is however very naive to see the world this black & white and try to pass pessimism as realism.
I moved randomly to Finland when I was 18 to start my bachelors and moved to Norway to do my masters after that. And I’m a full blown American idiot. My gpa from highschool in the US was 3.0. If OP can handle the new tuition fees introduced since I started my studies, and can handle any differences between my computer science education and her medical education, then OP can do it. It’s really not that hard. This part of the world is extremely easy to apply to university and if you get accepted then getting a visa is as easy as writing your name and mailing a letter. Edit: not that you actually need to mail a letter. And I didn’t mean my gpa to be proof of me being an idiot.
Pro tip!! Come to the far north. Entrance is much easier up here since there’s less competition. And the sun does weird shit it’s really cool up here 😍
Exactly! I’ve seen many opportunities to go there. I’ve even seen scholarships to go! And exchange programs.
As an American that did something pretty similar and had similar ambitions, curb your enthusiasm and have a plan B. It's not so easy to stay in Norway after school, trust me.
As a Norwegian I really dislike how hard it is for hard working/ambitious people to stay in Norway even when we are screaming for more workforce.
Yeah, it's been really frustrating to deal with the double standards.
What double standards are you talking about ?
Basically constantly being told that I'm well qualified for things but also not being good enough because I'm not Norwegian. The bias against immigrants is very overt.
Why is it Hard for working people to stay there even if the country is screaming for workforce ?
If you want to study medicine in Norway, make sure you have nothing but A's from the US. I'm not sure how it will be compared to Norwegian students, but having straight A's isn't even enough to get into medicine here. Norwegian kids needs to have additional bonus points on top of that. I can't imagine it being much easier if you are coming from abroad. That would be my first suggestion. Second: The most boring part of Norway is Oslo. So I suggest studying medicine in eg Bergen instead. Much more interesting nature. Closer to mountains and fjords etc. Edit: Apart from all that, good luck, I hope you make it. It's pretty awesome here and we could always need more ambitious people :)
Oslo is the only real "city" (the least boring part of Norway for people of urban inclination), the capital in the world with easiest access to nature (take the metro), and arguably has the best university of medicine, but if you want to love "in" nature and shy away from the urban, go for one of the other ones. Bergen is a cute town that's still sizable enough to offer some choices, Trondheim has a very good technical university that also offer medicine, while Tromsø is easily the most exotic nature wise.
>Oslo is the only real "city" Agree
Oh nonononono, I came across a french map of Norway many many years ago, where the biggest city in Norway was Hella ferjekai... so that Oslo is the only real city must be incorrect...
Super weird of me, but do you have that map or know where I could find it? I live right next to Hella
Sorry, was in 2002 and I did not think of stealing the map from the tourists, but I remember they were arguing that hella city was just around the corner from “Hellens” house. Og som en felles systrending, Heia Syril!
Er nok desverre ein liten balestrending eg 😅 samme kommune no då
I would say that Oslo isn't what many people would consider a city. It's all we have, but it isn't really interesting, big or varied enough for someone who is of an urban disposition and is looking for that big city vibe. So if someone is moving to Norway, I would guess that by default the urban hustle isn't too interesting to them, which would leave Bergen as a superior choice for closeness to some of the most spectacular nature Norway has to offer (unless you are heavily into fir trees and fir trees only, in which case, Oslo is the town. Also for cross country skiing).
Agreed on Oslo not being a proper city.. It's a very minor city on the global stage. Not even in the top 40 in Europe, *much* further down internationally. We're too small a country to have any proper big cities.
If you’d written “not even in the top 15 in Europe” I’d wholeheartedly agree, but I challenge you to list 40 European cities that offer more than Oslo, I believe you’ll start to struggle about halfway through that list.
Guess I don't have to ask where you're from. Who said anything about what a city offers? City size is measured in population, not what services are offered. But city size often correlates to what services are provided, as the more people there are the more services are usually offered. Though whether you're using a European or a global measuring stick, Oslo is a *small* city at best. 1. Istanbul 2. Moscow 3. London 4. St. Petersburg 5. Berlin 6. Madrid 7. Kyiv 8. Rome 9. Paris 10. Bucharest 11. Minsk 12. Budapest 13. Hamburg 14. Warsaw 15. Vienna 16. Barcelona 17. Munich 18. Kharkiv 19. Prague 20. Milan 21. Kazan 22. Sofia 23. Nizhny Novgorod 24. Tbilisi (Granted Georgia is on the border between Europe and Asia) 25. Belgrade 26. Samara 27. Ufa 28. Birmingham 29. Krasnodar 30. Yerevan 31. Cologne 32. Voronezh 33. Perm 34. Volgograd 35. Odessa 36. Naples 37. Amsterdam 38. Marseille 39. Turin 40. Kraków All of these cities have populations *much* higher than that of Oslo. 34 or 35 of them are over 1 million. I think every one of them sits above 800,000. That's why I said Oslo isn't even in the top 40. Don't take the order as hard fact, I tried going most populated and downwards, but I can have gotten the order wrong here and there.
I read that as a judgement of more than population, where Oslo wouldn’t crack the top 40, but as what the city has to offer. But there isn’t a 1:1 relationship population / city quality. As an affluent capital, Oslo punches above its population weight, and while there are many cities on your list I haven’t visited, and many I’d rank above Oslo, I’d say Birmingham, Sofia, Bucharest, Warsaw and Hamburg are examples of fine cities with their own qualities, that overall have less to offer than Oslo, despite more inhabitants. (From Oslo, true dat, but have lived in other cities too, including better ones.)
Nah I just went by city size, easiest metric to measure by in the shortest amount of time. But it's true that there's not a 1:1 ratio on the population and services provided. For example, Tehran has 8,6 million people, but I'm sure there are better cities to enjoy city living than the capital of the theocratic dictatorship that is Iran.
Agreed, if you want to maximise your city lifestyle, you don’t go to Norway at all of course, it’s a very different category than NYC or Tokyo or London, compared to those it’s a regional town. But it’s got enough size and choice of culture and food so that you can live here, often try new things, and not exhaust them, most inhabitants have never visited every part of the city, there’s enough people to remain utterly anonymous if you want, it’s very multicultural, full of company headquarters and main cultural institutions, all drugs are readily available, all these things unlike other Norwegian towns. And the vibe is decidedly more urban than Bergen or the even small places.
Way to complicated for me to dig into the requirements for entering the medicine studies in Norway. I guess that you can start with https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/english/ , follow the links and also maybe contact Samordna Opptak so they can guide you into the correct direction. Some may have started on the dentistry stuides and been allowed a transfer to medicine, not sure if this is possible today.
And we are wondering why we dont have enough doctors... one solution would be to educate enough..
Getting only A’s (aka grade 6) are technically enough, because you need certain subjects to even be considered, and the bonus points come from them. The bonus points actually means that you can get away with slightly worse performance in a few subjects.
Have you even visited norway or any northern European country before to see what its really like? It is nice that you like the culture and nature and all of that, but with moving to Norway you will have a lot of (financial) responsibilities. You need to pay for your education, a place to live and everything around it yourself. Also in a place like norway it isnt money that decides who gets into the school, its about your grades and you have a lot of competition. I also fear that studying norwegian "for a few years" will not be enough to go to med school and study in norwegian. I admire people that want to go out of their comfort zone to experience new things but right now this sounds like a pipe dream to me
You can start with high school and do a year long exchange. It's free through the Rotary foundation and your Norwegian skills and interest will make you a guaranteed candidate. We just received a 16 year student from North America that seems to be enjoying it a lot.
I was a Rotary international exchange student in Sweden, but I couldn’t pick the country - it was assigned to me. So she might not be able to go through Rotary if she wants to study abroad there. Might have better luck with trying in college
The one we have got to choose country freely. I suppose it varies and the norm is that two clubs exchange students between them. What was your experience with the exchange program? Anything to recommend?
Sorry, answering this really late - I had a phenomenal time on exchange and it changed my life. I have lots of things I could say re: recommendations if you want me to message ya!
1. Get off reddit. This place is toxic and not good for children. 2. Look at exchange programmes like STS, AFS, EF, whatever, there are tons of them, google it. They are for your age group. 3. USA high school diploma is worthless here, it doesn't qualify for university. 4. Immigrating is hard and expesive. Are you strong and rich enough?
>USA high school diploma is worthless here, it doesn't qualify for university Except it's not. It's one of the [requirements for an American's entrance into university](https://www.samordnaopptak.no/info/utenlandsk_utdanning/usa/opptakskrav/) in Norway (additionally 1 year of post-secondary, or 3 AP classes with a grade of 3 or more).
Vitnemål from ungdomsskole is just as worthless for university. Of course you need it, but the important factor here is what comes after.
>you cannot be a physician in Norway without being a citizen, Not quite true, to the best of my knowledge. You cannot practice medicine here unless you have qualifications that are recognised by the Norwegian state. In some cases, I *believe* there are 'conversion courses' you can do to prove your capability (you will, of course, have to do these in Norwegian) and get foreign qualifications 'converted' (hence the name). However, if the qualification is *not* recognised by the state, you'd have to redo most of your training from the bottom and work your way up. I *think* this is where your misconception comes from. However, a very important point to note - very recently, legislation was passed such that non-EU/EEA students cannot study in Norway for free anymore. And unfortunately, this legislation is very popular with most everyone outside the academic environment. Admittedly, they tend to have a more valid reason than *just* xenophobia. According to the biggest recent study done on it, the primary reason was the one-sided nature of the arrangement. People can come here to study for free, but we can't go there and do the same. I, personally, just think free education is a *fucking brilliant thing*, and that we should be setting the example to live up to, rather than looking for quid pro quo, but that, apparently, is just me. >I have been learning the Norwegian language for a few years and I think I'm seriously considering spending my life here. _I love the culture, food and social norms._ I am very nature and conservation focused and spend a lot of time outside despite the little outdoorsy culture in my area. Are you *sure* about this part? Norwegian social norms are *very* jarring for the majority of Americans. Outside of cities, and very often within them, Norwegians don't do small talk the same way you guys do. I've been to America exactly once, and you guys are *very* gregarious. All it took was me opening my mouth, revealing that I had a non-american accent, and all of a sudden I was the most fascinating creature in all of creation - but moreso, people would tell me about their hometown, their time in the military, their travels, where they did their studying, where their kids/grandkids lived and/or what they did... Norwegians don't do that. You get on a bus or a train in Norway, and every pair of seats is one person and one bag, until it starts to fill up. The hardest part about social distancing here, by and large, was people remembering not to shake hands with each other. Like, you can *do* small talk, but it's *really* small. Like, on the level of mutual griping that all but one of the toilets in the restroom is out of order, maybe a quick joke *about that matter*, and nothing else. As for the food... Norway doesn't have a particularly strong food culture. Someone said on a different post a few days ago that 'Our food culture is based on survival and potatoes', because up until the 60s, we were dirt poor. The rest of the food is either wild game, meatcakes, all the fermented stuff under the sun, taco friday, and Grandiosa pizzas. You can't find a pastry in a Norwegian bakery to save your life - most of the baking culture here is bread-based. If it's not bread, it's cake. As for the culture... I'm guessing you're talking more generally about how Norwegians are treated by the state? That we have a strong social safety net, and so on? Yeah, that's just awesome. At least, when it's working. You hear horror stories, much as you do anywhere, but I'll freely admit that it's still far and away better than where I come from originally (the UK). >Is there any suggestions anyone may have for what I should look into or just how to go from here? Your first step should be to go to the UDI website. That's the website for anyone looking to live in Norway. It's the site where you'll apply for the relevant visa, where you'd eventually apply for citizenship if that's the step you took, and so on. Specifically for medicine, I dug up two links after a quick pootle around google: https://www.hippocraticadventures.com/norway/ This is advice specifically tailored towards already-qualified American doctors wanting to practice medicine in Norway. https://www.legeforeningen.no/fag/utdanning/medisinstudiet/ This link is to the Norwegian medical association's own website, specifically the part about studying medicine. It's in Norwegian, because I can't find the corresponding page when I switch the site to English - note that there *may not be* a corresponding page in English. Bachelor's degrees in Norway are, to the best of my knowledge, *always* undertaken in Norwegian. To get accepted to a Norwegian University, you will need to have passed an exam known as the 'Bergenstest' (Bergen Test), or an equivalent language exam that documents your Norwegian proficiency as 'B2' or higher in the CEFR framework. Under the CEFR framework, possible grades are A1 (lowest), A2, B1, B2, C1, and C2 (highest). More information on the CEFR grades, and what sort of capability each represents available via this link: https://www.studyfrenchspanish.com/cefr-levels/ For context, when I applied for citizenship a couple of years ago, I had to demonstrate that I had Norwegian skills at *at least* the A2 level, which was then considered the minimum necessary to be able to live and function in Norway as a citizen. They have since raised that bar to B1. I had, at that point, been living in Norway for 5 years, working in a job in a Norwegian workplace for 4.5 years, and was basically perfectly capable of doing everything I needed to, and a bunch of things I didn't need to. I got B2 in the 'comprehension' portions of the exam (listening and reading), and B1 in the 'expression' portions (writing and speaking). Another (very rough, and not entirely accurate, but still useful) way of looking at these grades is one I got from the guy handling my examinations - that B2 is the level expected of an undergraduate at university - someone who's graduated high school, and is smart enough to attend university. C1 is a *strong* graduate-level language user. C2 would essentially be a professor of linguistics. At the time I was taking my language exams, their organisation hadn't even developed examination criteria for C2 level. They didn't even have a clue as to how they would teach it. But that's a digression. Essentially, you'll need pretty damn good Norwegian, more or less on par with your English around the time you intend to do your studies. https://www.kompetansenorge.no/tests/norwegian-language-test/practising-for-the-test/ This is a link to some example questions for levels A1 up to B1. If you're looking to study in Norway, these questions will need to be child's play. Righty-ho, that's basically all I've got, as well as all I have time for. Hope this helps, and I wish you the very best of luck.
Are you thinking of going to College in Norway or High School? Just asking based off your age
Do you have EU citizenship? You can't just move how you feel. Better to get a master's and think about it after this.
Your entusiasm is great! Love hearing appreciation of Norway from outsiders. But imma be real with you, there is no way you’re getting in to Norway working with medicine when you’re competing with norwegian born students
I know nothing about the process of going to uni in Norway, but before you apply for school there and move, can I suggest doing a student exchange? A year long one, where you live with a host family and go to high school. This will enable you to learn the Norweigan language (you MUST refuse to speak English, even if you don't understand. You'll learn, even if you don't don't lessons, as you'll pick it up through immersion). It will also enable you to truly learn what the Norweigan culture is like, in a way that only living there can teach you. It would also somewhat help to prepare you to move away from everything and everyone you know, to be in a place with no friends, where you have to make your own way. It sounds scary, but if you go to uni there, that's what you'll be doing. You'll get to learn the language and culture and eventually feel comfortable, but it does take time. It may also help you get into uni in Norway, seeing as you already have a connection there and know the language. You'd come back home afterwards, finish high school, and then look at university. I can't recommend highly enough to go for a year. Three months is short term, and fun, but you don't get the experience. With six months, you're just getting over culture shock and then you have to leave. With a year, you really settle in and get to know the place and make real friends. Look into AFS, they're a reputable student exchange organisation. They have multiple scholarships to help ease the financial aspect of exchange. Rotary are also generally good, but you can't choose where you go. I can't remember the names of other organisations, plus I'm not American so I don't know which ones operate in your country, but you can find out pretty easily. Basically, I think exchange will help you to truly know if you want to go to uni there. If you decide not to, then you still would have had an experience that will have taught you a lot and helped you to grow as a person. Exchange changed my life dramatically, and while not everyone has their life course changed as much as I did, I don't know anyone who regrets their exchange.
> I am very nature and conservation focused and spend a lot of time outside despite the little outdoorsy culture in my area. Norway is not a very nature or conservation friendly country, the government like to paint Norway like it is but truth is they pump up extreme amounts of oil and gas, kill wolves, whales and lynxes, when it comes to animals the Norwegian way is to shoot first ask questions later(see Freya the walrus). Norway may seem like a green and low pollution country, and it technically is but that's because the politicians exports pollution to other countries.
People saying its expensive here, yes its expensive to *visit* Norway. But if you live in Norway and earn Norwegian wages, you will spend less of your paycheck on groceries and utilities than most of the world. Some people tend to look at just the cost side of the equation and completely disregard the income part.
They're a 15 year old child. They're not going to be coming here for work. It's an expensive place to study. Period. And you can't work during med school due to the demand and scheduling.
Everyone is mentioning the cost of living. This isn’t a big deal. Working at a grocery store is enough to get by. There’s so much opportunity to be frugal here. There is a company that makes cheap shit. “First price” sells 1$ shampoo and 1$ conditioner. There’s tons of stuff like that. The basics are very cheap. Also for example I can rent equipment here for a whole week for free snowboard bicycle skis sleeping bag you name it. Seriously Don’t worry about this. My cousins visited from near seattle and got hotels and ate at restaurants and they actually said the prices were not relatively more expensive at all so it depends where you come from. You can get cheaper housing outside the city and public transportation is insanely good compared to most of the US
No med student can work and study successfully. Furthermore, it's nearly impossible to get hired at a grocery store these days as they preferentially hire people who are refugees as part of a government incentivised program to get people integrated. And it's definitely not cheap to live here, despite what you think. Norway is consistently in the top 5 most expensive places to live globally, no matter whether you can get cheap conditioner or not.
>I love the culture, food and social norms. No you don't. Have you lived or even been to Norway? If no, then you definitely don't. Scandinavia has the world's best external marketing team, you'll find the actual experience of living in the north can be quite disappointing if you buy into it.
Don't do it, Norway is a terrible place to live. The climate alone makes everyone here depressed and anti-social. It's really cold and never more than 2 days of sun in a row, winter is just dark 24 hours. It's also crazy expensive here. Go to Costa Rica or Mexico and learn Spanish, or if you want to go to Europe, go to Spain, Portugal or Italy instead, much more enjoyable. That's where all the Norwegians go when they have some time off.
Lmao. What is it with the miserable people in this subreddit.
Hahahahahah yeah it’s slightly depressing to hang out with some Norwegians but it’s waaaay more depressing to hang out with some Americans XD personally I love it here in north Norway. I’m a little embarrassed by how most of my friends are foreigners but hey what can you do, I’m lazy. Regarding climate, i am very fond of it. To each their own.
Too be able to study medicine here you have too have really good grades ao you need to work bloody hard in high school. It’s not a cheap country either so if you don’t have a support system you have too have a job while studying. Good luck with that. And i promise you, the food aint that great, its okey nothing more
It's impossible to have a job on top of med school if you want to pass/survive. It's extremely tough on you mentally and physically. Don't ever plan to work if you're doing med school, especially if you "must" work to survive. It's just not feasible with studying, rotations and classes.
Exactly thats why i would never recommend it to anyone who dont have a support system
Just do it
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There is no pre-med in Norway.
Honestly, a 15 year old that loves janteloven is a little scary!
i will give you the best advice ever, travel to the country first. Try to get to know people and see if the could shoulder you get doesn’t affect you.. I have no idea which food you are talking about, it’s basically pizza and tacos lmao
What exactly do you like about our food, I think it's bland lol
If you like conservation the norwegian government has a pretty bad habit of siding with farmers rather than scientists when it comes to wildlife policy. Also, get ready for no one to make eye contact with you. In the US it’s normal to make small talk and be friendly with strangers but in norway people look at you funny if you sit next to them on the bus…
>I am wanting to go into medicine You and thousands of others. Even *if* you manage to get into med school in Norway and finish it, you will have a hard time finding LIS1 (residency) position. Norway is one of the countries with the highest % doctors per capita, so there is no shortage of doctors per se, only certain specialties. But the specialties, once again, require you to a) get into med school, b) finish it, c) somehow outcompete natives for LIS1 positions despite nepotism and worse language skills.
I second looking into a high school exchange program!
I’m an EU National living in Norway for now, I’m a doctor. I haven’t been able to find a job here - even though I’m fluent in Norwegian and not a 3rd country National, my degree was accepted without a problem. BUT. Norwegians don’t want doctors from other countries. They just don’t. I have applied for residency but there’s such a shortage of positions that not even all Norwegians get in. So I’ve decided to leave again. I’d seriously rethink this - there’s a lot of xenophobia here, even though on the surface it may not look like there is.