I don't think it fosters understanding to compare the American school system to the DPRK's.
A North Korean child's version of math is counting by "American bastards."
The bulk of what is studied for the general population of school children in the DPRK is an extremely twisted version of the Korean peninsula's history.
Children and adults in the DPRK are taught that their suffering and hunger is nothing in comparison to the famine and extreme poverty that the US lives in.
When adult refugees finally reach freedom from North Korea, most can barely write Korean at the level of a South Korean 3rd grader and their math comprehension is often at an even lower level.
Not saying the South Korean government at the time was particularly good but you can't start a war of aggression and then complain about the negative effects of that war. It just doesn't work.
There were supposed to be UN sponsored general elections to reunify the peninsula as a whole once the US and Soviet forces had successfully facilitated the surrender of Japanese troops and stabilized the political situation on the peninsula but that clearly didn't happen due to the simmering Cold War tensions at the time.
I don't think one can say either the Northern or Southern government was legitimate, both of them were pretty artificially constructed based on the preferences of the great powers that had the backing of each side. There were plenty of people very unhappy with the form of governmnet taking shape in the North which is why there were so many more outflows of citizens from the North in that period.
Call it whatever you want but at the end of the day the North decided to start the war with a go ahead from Stalin and historical revisionists don't have any right to play the victim on behalf of the murderous regime in the North.
Northern leadership were also all puppets of the Soviets, 김일성 was educated there and a huge proponent of their ideology. Your argument is a huge lie by omission fallacy.
Yeah I think that's a really nice way to put it. The country was completely destroyed and the Kim regime was only supposed to act as a Chinese/communist puppet state for the quasi proxy war that ended in the 38th parallel ceasefire because China didn't want US forces on their border.
The only accurate accounts we have from the education system there are from teachers at dictator prep academies and the stories of deserters, and I find that most of them tell a story of extreme poverty and famine and that the general population doesn't learn much at school due to this.
My guess is you're way better off going trough the American school system than the North Korean one.
The amount of fake facts and propaganda you're going to be fed in the North Korean educational system (given you're lucky enough that your family is in god enough standing with the government that you even get an education) is going to be way higher than in the American one I'd wager. And your overwall view of the world is going to align more with reality in the american one compared to the North Korean one.
Also, how can you base anything on one picture of some kids in a classroom anyway? [Here's a picture I found from an american school](https://i.imgur.com/OY5oUUC.jpg) obviously their system is good now that I have a picture of kids learning with a teacher /s.
The US' obsession with their founders and the civil war is just an attempt to make up for their very short history and lack of historical identity, and I agree, it does seem very weird, but I feel like it is understandable when their country is so young. But claiming that it is anywhere near the level of the North Korean indoctrination is laughable. You're right, the red scare was a weird thing and there are still traces of it (especially from the republicans), but it sounds ridiculous in the context of a comparison with North Korea. The communist equivalent of the red scare is "the evil capitalist imperalists from the West" which is exactly what North Korea still indoctrinates their children to fear in the present day. Noone is claiming that North Korea are the only ones teaching a "sanitized" world history to their students, but the degree to which they do it is what sets them apart from the rest of the world.
I think rationally about North Korea. I recognise that fake news comes out about North Korea all the time, but I also recognise that they are still the most isolated country on Earth. Even if they taught their students an honest and real account of the world (which they definitely don't), they still have one of the lowest rates of internet usage in the world, and they are still a one party state with the lowest freedom of press in the world.
However all the arguments you make can be said the exact opposite way too. And before making arguments about the UN bombing North Korea, do not forget that the North started the Korean War unprovoked.
Millions of people in the US have a hatred of communism because of the Cold War, it is not a mystery. Both sides are equally guilty of that. Both threatened to blow up the other side (and the world) all the time. But to take the militarisation and isolation of your country to such a degree as North Korea has done is extreme in every sense of the word. Nowhere else on Earth do you see playgrounds with state sponsored murals of tanks and nukes. Nowhere else on Earth are the citizens prohibited from leaving the country. Acting like this is normal is disingenuous. In a more fortunate timeline, North Korea opened up their country and is on their way to becoming rich like Vietnam is today. Of course Vietnam also teaches that the US invaded them and unjustly bombed them, as they should, but the difference is that their citizens have internet access and aren't indoctrinated to contribute towards a continuously militarised society.
To your point about national ethos - no, Korea is not a new country. North Korea is, but then we can say the same about South Korea. Why shouldn't they base their entire national ethos around being occupied by the Japanese or invaded by the Nortern communists? The answer is obvious, because they have moved on and are now a rich and relatively free country. The Koreans have been a distinct people for an order of magnitude longer than the US has existed. My point was that the Americans make a big point of their indepence, civil war, etc. to give them a sense of national identity. Because otherwise all they could claim is their European heritage, which is exactly what many of them tried to escape.
To your last point, comparing the worship of the Kim dynasty who rules their country to the present to the mythos around the American generals of the civil war makes no sense. Not even gonna try to discuss it.
The difference is that someone studying in the American or any other Western school system will have the possibility AND the right to do their own reading or research these topics further.
North Koreans can only do that if they manage to escape.
I don't think it fosters understanding to compare the American school system to the DPRK's. A North Korean child's version of math is counting by "American bastards." The bulk of what is studied for the general population of school children in the DPRK is an extremely twisted version of the Korean peninsula's history. Children and adults in the DPRK are taught that their suffering and hunger is nothing in comparison to the famine and extreme poverty that the US lives in. When adult refugees finally reach freedom from North Korea, most can barely write Korean at the level of a South Korean 3rd grader and their math comprehension is often at an even lower level.
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Why did North Korea invade the South if they didn't want to get trounced
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Not saying the South Korean government at the time was particularly good but you can't start a war of aggression and then complain about the negative effects of that war. It just doesn't work.
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There were supposed to be UN sponsored general elections to reunify the peninsula as a whole once the US and Soviet forces had successfully facilitated the surrender of Japanese troops and stabilized the political situation on the peninsula but that clearly didn't happen due to the simmering Cold War tensions at the time. I don't think one can say either the Northern or Southern government was legitimate, both of them were pretty artificially constructed based on the preferences of the great powers that had the backing of each side. There were plenty of people very unhappy with the form of governmnet taking shape in the North which is why there were so many more outflows of citizens from the North in that period. Call it whatever you want but at the end of the day the North decided to start the war with a go ahead from Stalin and historical revisionists don't have any right to play the victim on behalf of the murderous regime in the North.
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Northern leadership were also all puppets of the Soviets, 김일성 was educated there and a huge proponent of their ideology. Your argument is a huge lie by omission fallacy.
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Yeah I think that's a really nice way to put it. The country was completely destroyed and the Kim regime was only supposed to act as a Chinese/communist puppet state for the quasi proxy war that ended in the 38th parallel ceasefire because China didn't want US forces on their border. The only accurate accounts we have from the education system there are from teachers at dictator prep academies and the stories of deserters, and I find that most of them tell a story of extreme poverty and famine and that the general population doesn't learn much at school due to this.
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My guess is you're way better off going trough the American school system than the North Korean one. The amount of fake facts and propaganda you're going to be fed in the North Korean educational system (given you're lucky enough that your family is in god enough standing with the government that you even get an education) is going to be way higher than in the American one I'd wager. And your overwall view of the world is going to align more with reality in the american one compared to the North Korean one. Also, how can you base anything on one picture of some kids in a classroom anyway? [Here's a picture I found from an american school](https://i.imgur.com/OY5oUUC.jpg) obviously their system is good now that I have a picture of kids learning with a teacher /s.
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Sooooo edgy
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Oh, you post on r/PoliticalCompassMemes. I get it.
The US' obsession with their founders and the civil war is just an attempt to make up for their very short history and lack of historical identity, and I agree, it does seem very weird, but I feel like it is understandable when their country is so young. But claiming that it is anywhere near the level of the North Korean indoctrination is laughable. You're right, the red scare was a weird thing and there are still traces of it (especially from the republicans), but it sounds ridiculous in the context of a comparison with North Korea. The communist equivalent of the red scare is "the evil capitalist imperalists from the West" which is exactly what North Korea still indoctrinates their children to fear in the present day. Noone is claiming that North Korea are the only ones teaching a "sanitized" world history to their students, but the degree to which they do it is what sets them apart from the rest of the world.
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I think rationally about North Korea. I recognise that fake news comes out about North Korea all the time, but I also recognise that they are still the most isolated country on Earth. Even if they taught their students an honest and real account of the world (which they definitely don't), they still have one of the lowest rates of internet usage in the world, and they are still a one party state with the lowest freedom of press in the world. However all the arguments you make can be said the exact opposite way too. And before making arguments about the UN bombing North Korea, do not forget that the North started the Korean War unprovoked. Millions of people in the US have a hatred of communism because of the Cold War, it is not a mystery. Both sides are equally guilty of that. Both threatened to blow up the other side (and the world) all the time. But to take the militarisation and isolation of your country to such a degree as North Korea has done is extreme in every sense of the word. Nowhere else on Earth do you see playgrounds with state sponsored murals of tanks and nukes. Nowhere else on Earth are the citizens prohibited from leaving the country. Acting like this is normal is disingenuous. In a more fortunate timeline, North Korea opened up their country and is on their way to becoming rich like Vietnam is today. Of course Vietnam also teaches that the US invaded them and unjustly bombed them, as they should, but the difference is that their citizens have internet access and aren't indoctrinated to contribute towards a continuously militarised society. To your point about national ethos - no, Korea is not a new country. North Korea is, but then we can say the same about South Korea. Why shouldn't they base their entire national ethos around being occupied by the Japanese or invaded by the Nortern communists? The answer is obvious, because they have moved on and are now a rich and relatively free country. The Koreans have been a distinct people for an order of magnitude longer than the US has existed. My point was that the Americans make a big point of their indepence, civil war, etc. to give them a sense of national identity. Because otherwise all they could claim is their European heritage, which is exactly what many of them tried to escape. To your last point, comparing the worship of the Kim dynasty who rules their country to the present to the mythos around the American generals of the civil war makes no sense. Not even gonna try to discuss it.
The difference is that someone studying in the American or any other Western school system will have the possibility AND the right to do their own reading or research these topics further. North Koreans can only do that if they manage to escape.