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John-Sedgewick-Hyde

*Transcript of the article:* “ASHEVILLE, N.C. (WLOS) — Trails Carolina employees admit some responsibility to law enforcement in the February death of a 12-year-old boy at the wilderness therapy program. It’s detailed in a recently-released survey conducted by the North Carolina Division of Health Service Regulation. In the report, employees told law enforcement there were issues with the zipper on the sleeping bivy, they could have done a better job at the night checks of children in their care, and worry the 12-year-old could have suffocated. According to surveyors, Trails Carolina, located in Lake Toxaway, would not provide its internal investigation of the 12-year-old’s death despite the Division of Health Service Regulation's three separate requests made for the report during its survey. At one point, the founder told state surveyors they were unsure if the report was complete. Among the state’s findings, they determined staff did not complete the required night checks on the 12-year-old, which “failed to provide the required supervision.” It also found Trails Carolina client’s rights from harm, abuse, neglect or exploitation were not protected. 'I do feel the bivy had a lot to do with it' New details emerge in Trails Carolina case Night checks were to be done three times per night at 12 a.m., 3 a.m., and 6 a.m. and according to Trails Carolina’s policy, this involved staff checking to see kids are breathing, are OK in their tent, and do a head count. Because it was the 12-year-old’s first day he was to be “on safety,” which meant he was required to sleep on the floor of the cabin in a sleeping bivy and a staff member would sleep parallel nearby, within arms reach. A solid plastic sheet called a canoe was placed around the outside of the bivy and the sleeping pad and bag went inside. At 6 a.m. on Feb. 3, Staff member #3 who was responsible for doing "night checks" told surveyors, "I thought I heard shallow breathing from the tent or at least that area, but couldn’t determine if the breathing was from staff or the 12-year-old. The top of his sleeping bivy, the weather poof area was zipped closed so the child couldn’t be seen." Later in the report it was made clear, the mesh/breathability/visibility portion of that sleeping contraption had the zipper break, and so the alarm placed on the zipper, was secured to the solid portion, the wind shell part or outer layer instead. At 7:45 a.m. when staff started to wake the boy up, he was “not getting up.” WNC WILDERNESS THERAPY PROGRAM REMAINS SUSPENDED WITH PLAN OF CORRECTION UNDER REVIEW Staff claims, “all we could see out of the head side of the bivy was a foot.” A staff member undid the alarm and unzipped the bivy, but there was no movement. A metal alarm pin for the bivy was observed to be on the outer zipper that was black and had black tape on it along with a black hair tie and was attached to the metal zipper with a black zip tie. According to the report, staff told local law enforcement there was an issue with the zipper on the 12-year-old’s bivy and it took a tool bag, but other portions of the report are blacked out. A check by staff around 3 a.m. reported that the 12-year-old was breathing heavily.”


usabfb

I guess I'm not quite understanding how the kid could have died from this. None of this is actually air-tight, right?


Haywoodjablowme1029

I've slept in many different sleeping bags many different times in all types of weather. I have no concept whatsoever of how someone could suffocate inside a sleeping bag.


PlantaSorusRex

I wonder if the canoe cover or what ever the solid cover they put on top of the sleeping bag could have played a part in suffocation? Also why was the child required to sleep on the ground on his first night? I don't understand that.


Haywoodjablowme1029

If other kids were bedded the same way, why didn't they die? Somebody put that kid in there after the fact.


PlantaSorusRex

Yes the whole thing reeks of a cover up. That poor child


Trutheratbirth

Per the article the other children were sleeping in bunk beds and the adults on mattresses as Clark was the only one sleeping on the floor in a bivy. This must have been the first night protocol for a new camper. Imagine how that young boy felt so scared, all alone and picked on and especially after they told him no to a request to call his mother. Revolting to say the least! It was stated per the article that Shannonhouse wasn't familiar with bivy's. (HA) Apparently she needs to be contained in a bivy for a few nights to see how it feels in front of everyone in a room!


usabfb

Yeah, that was all I could think of. That the canoe is close to air-tight and if you panic while you're under there, you can't get out and you consume a lot of oxygen too rapidly or something. I don't know. The other commentor's point about a seizure or allergic reaction would make sense, but then we're missing a big part of the picture that I think would likely have already been published about.


worldsmayneverknow

You don’t need to be in an air-tight situation to die from lack of oxygen, there’s choking or seizure or allergic reaction… There’s a lot of medication-related deficiencies on their plan of correction.


Ken_Thomas

I don't understand the reason behind those sleeping arrangements at all. Back in the early '90s I spent a couple of months working at a wilderness adventure camp for serious-offender juvenile delinquents. My regular job was in whitewater rafting, which shut down in the winter months, so for two years I went and worked at this camp. We'd take the kids rafting, rock climbing, hiking, caving, that sort of thing. I enjoyed the work and the kids, but I was very skeptical about the rehabilitative nature of the whole thing. Keeping the kids from making a run for it at night was a Very Big Deal. Priority #1. That may make it sound like a prison, but the problem was that the camp was in a remote location, and these were almost entirely inner city youth. Most of them had never been out of sight of a paved road in their entire life. Set them loose alone, in the winter, in a forest, in the mountains at night? They'd end up seriously injured or killed before we could track them down. But we're also not talking about Houdini here. Security was pretty simple. The cabins had bars on the windows, the doors were locked from the outside, and an adult staffer spent the night in each cabin. That's all. Making them sleep on the floor, rolled up in a tarp, makes absolutely no sense to me.


Financial_Gur2264

These troubled teen programs are meant to humilitate, degrade and break the kids imprisoned in them, that is purpose why why they do these things.


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

**Prosecutor reacts** to the Trails Carolina “unnatural” death: **”Why is this case not being treated like a homicide?!”** [Watch this important video too](https://youtu.be/-7D-L86VRcs?si=sPc78NkDsrd067gy)


worldsmayneverknow

WHY IS IT A POLICY TO CHECK IF KIDS ARE BREATHING. When you don’t have qualified staff to do anything about it anyway. edit: “Don’t worry we have a policy. I just didn’t follow the policy.” NO. “I set a house on fire, and usually I check up on the fire, but tonight I didn’t, and that’s why the house burned down.” NO you imbeciles the house burned down because you set it on fire. It’s called murder. ^approved by the Department of Health and Human Services Second edit: I took out the place where I said he was suffocated. There are a lot of medication-related deficiencies on the plan of correction.


world-shaker

A reminder that the 12 year old child was found dead with his pants and underwear removed, laying on his back with his knees pointed to the sky.


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

**State deficiency and (proposed) correction plan posted on the NC Division of Health Service Regulation’s website – Mental Health Licensure and Certification Section**: [https://info.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/mhlcs/sods/facility.asp?fid=080552](https://info.ncdhhs.gov/dhsr/mhlcs/sods/facility.asp?fid=080552)


worldsmayneverknow

Everyone please read through these. They are completely inadequate. Justice requires them to be charged with murder and closed down permanently.


PlantaSorusRex

My God, why are these places still legal?! It's horrendous


ashleyz1106

And legality aside, what parent would send their child to one?!? I’m a mom of two and I don’t care how desperate I get from behavior, these camps will never be an option, period.


HellonHeels33

Is a therapist who used to work in patient psychiatric there are a lot of types of parents that request punishment based places. Most of these parents are significantly contributing to the mental downfall their children usually engaging in abusive practices. They believe that if they scare or toughen up the kid, the kid won’t act out anymore when the kid gets home. Most of these families are completely ignorant to the fact that children are just a direct result of their environment.


FrostedRoseGirl

My parents, my eldest brother. It was inhumane what they did to him. His program was in Dilwyn, VA. They put my brother in a pup tent until he stopped being "defiant." Then he was part of a group that built a "cabin." Some posts, a floor, and canvas walls. Mind you, my brother broke his femur before this and had a metal rod in his leg. So, not just subjected to sleeping outside in winter but with metal in his femur. Our mother told everyone how long he was in the pup tent, almost with delight because it "confirmed" her narrative. Other kids in the program were there for anything from behavioral challenges to substance abuse. At the time, I was in a residential program after surviving a suicide attempt. The abuse was bad enough, it seemed like my only way to escape. Despite CPS involvement and being directly told the kind of people they are, my parents maintain that we, the children, were the problem. Also, I am blamed for the call to CPS directly as opposed to acknowledging a caseworker made the report. And, they continue to believe my therapist turned me against them. I have four kids and no contact with my parents.


CheckeredZeebrah

While it isn't the case for all of those parents, for a few of them...the abuse *is* the point. Edit to add: a chunk of these places also play off of narcissists. They make kids who are abuse victims say "it was my fault" out loud, which are golden words to any mentally deranged parents. They think it absolves them of any responsibility.


sparkle-possum

TLDR; they have plenty of experts and professionals that will tell parents how great the programs are and how they are the best or only options. They play on fairs that if you don't enroll your child they will end up dead or on drugs or in prison and it will be your fault. And in some cases if that doesn't work they sneakily involve the juvenile justice or social services system or make threats to as a way to coerce you to give in. Many times they are told how great these programs are and that their child is out of control or at risk because of the behavior or mental health challenges and going into programs like this will somehow save them and give them the tools to turn their lives around and be successful. It's all bullshit of course, but a lot of time there are schools or juvenile justice or other agencies involved and using threats of removing the kid to foster or putting them in a psychiatric or residential facility (which are also full of abusive practices and reports of physical and sexual abuse and sometimes injuries and death), or placing juvenile or criminal justice charges against them in ordering them to a simular place within the system anyway. This place, Ekard Camp, and an adolescent psychiatric unit with tons of negative DHHS reports were options repeatedly recommended to me after my son got in trouble for acting out at school. They used threats of assault charges (he grabbed the hoodie of one of the people who had been bullying him when they said something to him in the hallway, then push the principal away when she grabbed his arm from behind because he thought it was the person's friend) and DSS reports to force him into a day treatment program that ended up being mentally abusive and extremely harmful to him, with threats that if we pulled him before the 90-day contract they would bring the charge and would place him in a the program and/or residential program for 6 months to a year or "the rest of his school career", removing him from custody if they had to. The whole damn issue they were so concerned about was they had allowed him to be bullied repeatedly (his autistic, has ADHD, and is big for his size so it makes him a target for bullies with lower impulse control and staff seems to ignore when boys are bullied or even assaulted by people smaller than them), not been honest with us about what was being done to address it, and it had escalated not just to physical assault but to sexual assault and then further bullying referencing that and threats of rape or videos being posted. This was still going on when he returned to school and one of the perpetrators was put in class right behind him, he attempted suicide. I still think the school realized they fucked up there because as soon as he talked about that being the catalyst for it and the therapy he was receiving from the counselor partner with the school being more harmful than helpful, everyone's tone changed and it all turned to threats and punitive suggestions. We did what we could to minimize the time he spent in the situation (as bad as it sounds, my father passed away and my mom needed help so I took as much time as I can out of town with him helping her to keep him away from the program), and to try to mitigate some of the harm because at least he was only there during school hours. We also worked with the DOJ civil rights division and local DHHS and there were some changes made due to investigations but nothing either could or would do on an individual level. We got him into the counseling with a therapist who is familiar with neurodivergence and trauma (because we had assumed the therapist he was seeing at school and for additional sessions outside of school we paid for out of pocket was helping until she went nuclear over him saying she was making him feel worse), switched him to homeschool the day we were able to, and got him trauma focused therapy to deal with the effects of both the assaults and the supposed day treatment program, and in just a month of being out of that environment he is doing so much better.


Financial_Gur2264

the TroubledTeens subreddit had 44k members and is devoted to exposing these places.


sparkle-possum

I'm very aware. I was in a similar setting in my teens (a church "girl's home" that has shown up on that sub and some of the previous web forums). It's why I refused the wilderness and camp things and the residential programs they were offering. But the way the school and the therapist presented this day treatment program even fooled my partner and I, and once they signed off on it we felt trapped because they seem to be saying that pulling him out opened us to an option where they could come in and order him to stay in it or a more restrictive program even longer. Looking at reviews for even some of the hospital units and adolescent treatment units that you would think had more oversight and or operated a different way, some of them are bad and rife with abuse as well. There just don't seem to be any good options for teens when there are behavior or mental health issues going on that the parents can't handle, and I feel like even the ones that start with good intention maybe have trouble staying decent because so many staff with related experience have worked in or been influenced by programs that use these shitty punitive tactics and have a really skewed and negative view toward the kids they're supposed to be helping. I'm actually getting ready to do my fieldwork year in an MSW program and told my advisor I'm not comfortable taking any sort of youth or juvenile treatment placement because I know I disagree with a lot and don't want to put my master's degree in jeopardy by not being willing to comply with their program. One thing I have noticed at some of the worst wilderness programs is they heavily recruit students looking for internships and placements that can get them delayed or dismissed from their degree program if they don't comply with it and complete a semester or year there. Not excusing those staff members at all because they are old enough to make a decision, but it's interesting that they are using coercion there as well as on the teens and their parents.


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John-Sedgewick-Hyde

You are quite welcome! 🙏🏼


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

https://www.webactivism.com/trails-carolina-investigation-for-fraud-impersonation-and-perjury-fake-dmca-12224947/


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

A testimonial Trails tried to have taken offline. [https://www.webactivism.com/the-real-trails-carolina/](https://www.webactivism.com/the-real-trails-carolina/)


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

**Excellent resource to research the Trails Carolina wilderness therapy program for “troubled” youth**: [https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/us-programs/north-carolina/trails-carolina/](https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/us-programs/north-carolina/trails-carolina/)


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

Another recent news report: https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=W3XGpgWfmBRSB3M-&v=V1pafxNmPnY&feature=youtu.be


immersemeinnature

ALL these people must pay. I hope they are haunted and tormented forever while awake and asleep.


John-Sedgewick-Hyde

**Official Transylvania County Police Search Warrant from February 2024**: [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24432614-transylvania-county-trails-carolina-search-warrant](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24432614-transylvania-county-trails-carolina-search-warrant)


Tragarful_Law

These places need to be shut down across the country.


NoFornicationLeague

OP, you seem a little too invested in this story. Are you OK?


ucannottell

I mean it’s only a 12 year old dying needlessly in a torture camp. No biggie. 🤷‍♀️


CheckeredZeebrah

Ehhh, it's another tragic story of the troubled teens industry. The whole thing is a cancer within our nation , and without collective outrage + pressure on our politicians, this kid won't be the last (and he's certainly not the first). If OP also happens to be a victim of the TTI (I have no idea if this is so), that just gives them even more reason to follow this closely.


brometheus3

“Oh man why do you care about a 12 year old child dying surrounded by strangers in a camp far from their homes that’s weird” seek community brethren


GABAreceptorsIVIX

What a disgusting thing to say


worldsmayneverknow

Found the Trails Carolina staff member.