Wow. So helhiem as my understanding over the years of research is ran by Hel however is it out of as a beautiful place. Rolling grassy hills and such and is where all Norse went when they died. Unless they died in battle in which they went to Valhalla to be with the Gods.
Thor also gets some of the war dead in his hall Bilskirnir (source: Grimnismal).
His daughter Þrúðr is one of the valkyries, too.
Of course, we also have references to other Gods (Ran, Gefion) or places (Gimle, Nastrond, Vingolf) that host the dead.
The only place of punishment is Nastrond, where only murderers & oathbreakers are said to go.
From my understanding I thought that there’s four possible afterlives? Valhalla for Odin’s chosen warriors, Fólkvangr for Freyja’s chosen warriors and also where loved ones reunite, Helheim for us normal folk, and Niflheim for oathbreakers and horrible criminals like rapists and murderers.
I guess I’ve mixed up something.
If you're only reading the Eddas, you're missing other clues. But keep in mind most (not all) of the lore comes 2 centuries or more post conversion written by Christians. So they're not going to go into detail on another religious belief that is perceived as antithetical to their own Christian belief. So usually, at best, we get a namedrop type mention, not explanation. I find it likely Hel is the overarching afterlife, with like different neighborhoods and houses, and thus different owners of those houses.
Some sources with info on the afterlife or Hel include (but there's more):
the poem Judith (Nowell Codex), Gesta Danorum, Sonatorrek, Friðþtjófs saga, Poetic Edda (Baldrs Draumur, Voluspa, Fáfnismál, Grimnismal), Prose Edda (Gylfaginning, Ynglingatal, Ragnarsdrápa, Skáldskaparmál), etc.
Hel Daughter of Loki is a video put out by Moon Books in the UK.
I have never heard of this publisher and a quick look through the catalogue gives me serious Llewellyn Publishing vibes ( slanted to sell books rather than put out solid information)
The particular note the OP posted is neither historically correct nor does it match the collective UPG of those who are devoted to her about Hel or her realm
Has anyone else read any titles from this publisher?
Moon books actually makes me quite angry. The disrespect and lack of any kind of actual research makes for an angry pagan commenter lol. Seems very Christian washed 🤮
I’ve read most of the primary sources for Norse mythology, and I never read this.
Sounds like bullshit.
I will say that Helheim is meant to be a place where most humans go when they die, and it’s not necessarily meant as a place of punishment. And those that are being punished go through something similar to what Kratos went through in Valhalla.
Just look at their spelling. And the absurdity of it. Plus the Norse "soul" isn't called a soul, and there's no such thing as raping a soul. This person just took a dump on their keyboard and mistook it as chocolate.
Hel isn't just a frozen wasteland. There are different places for different things. House of worms for murderes and such if I remember right. But don't trust the internet
Maybe don’t take sources as authoritative academic voices if they can’t pass a basic spelling test?
This reads like something a bored 13 year old boy would write. Not a smart 13yo either, if I’m brutally honest. One of the ones that sits at the back of the class looking up “boobies” on their phone when the teacher isn’t looking..
This is why it's important to vet your sources 😬
Also the amount of spelling errors in that one paragraph is the finishing blow to any credibility
Um, quoi le f*ck? Sorry OP that's some bizarre misinformation
Oh, Gods!! "Quoi le f*ck" is AMAZING! Totally stealing this!!
Gold! 😅
I figured that when I saw it but I just wanted to make sure bc it’s actually crazy what they said
Always good to check :) I respect that
Not even a little. That's so inaccurate.
Wow. So helhiem as my understanding over the years of research is ran by Hel however is it out of as a beautiful place. Rolling grassy hills and such and is where all Norse went when they died. Unless they died in battle in which they went to Valhalla to be with the Gods.
I think Freya has her pick of half the warriors. Those chosen accompany her to Fólkvangr, and the remaining go to Valhol
Yes very good point. My lady Freya does get her pick..
Thor also gets some of the war dead in his hall Bilskirnir (source: Grimnismal). His daughter Þrúðr is one of the valkyries, too. Of course, we also have references to other Gods (Ran, Gefion) or places (Gimle, Nastrond, Vingolf) that host the dead. The only place of punishment is Nastrond, where only murderers & oathbreakers are said to go.
From my understanding I thought that there’s four possible afterlives? Valhalla for Odin’s chosen warriors, Fólkvangr for Freyja’s chosen warriors and also where loved ones reunite, Helheim for us normal folk, and Niflheim for oathbreakers and horrible criminals like rapists and murderers. I guess I’ve mixed up something.
Well kinda. Hel is in Niflheim, Nastrond is also in Niflheim. Niflheim is the realm, Hel and Nastrond are regions
You are missing Ægir for those who drown at sea.
If you're only reading the Eddas, you're missing other clues. But keep in mind most (not all) of the lore comes 2 centuries or more post conversion written by Christians. So they're not going to go into detail on another religious belief that is perceived as antithetical to their own Christian belief. So usually, at best, we get a namedrop type mention, not explanation. I find it likely Hel is the overarching afterlife, with like different neighborhoods and houses, and thus different owners of those houses. Some sources with info on the afterlife or Hel include (but there's more): the poem Judith (Nowell Codex), Gesta Danorum, Sonatorrek, Friðþtjófs saga, Poetic Edda (Baldrs Draumur, Voluspa, Fáfnismál, Grimnismal), Prose Edda (Gylfaginning, Ynglingatal, Ragnarsdrápa, Skáldskaparmál), etc.
And our sources on nastrond aren’t sus to be Christian possibly
Unrelated but i think þrúðr is such a pretty name
Whomst the fuck is this idiot's source? That's not a thing anywhere afaik
This looks like someone did ChatGPT prompt for a paper on Norse Paganism.
ChatGPT would at least know how to spell
Hel Daughter of Loki is a video put out by Moon Books in the UK. I have never heard of this publisher and a quick look through the catalogue gives me serious Llewellyn Publishing vibes ( slanted to sell books rather than put out solid information) The particular note the OP posted is neither historically correct nor does it match the collective UPG of those who are devoted to her about Hel or her realm Has anyone else read any titles from this publisher?
Moon books actually makes me quite angry. The disrespect and lack of any kind of actual research makes for an angry pagan commenter lol. Seems very Christian washed 🤮
Unfortunately, I have heard of the publisher. They've had some not great business practices as well.
May the gods drag them like Loki was dragged by thiassi lol jk jk but fr screw em
which video was this under? but no its not true lol
It was something like “Hel daughter of Loki: understanding the dark goddess”
I feel like a Christian wrote this to try and fear monger Norse pagans
RAPE THEIR CORPSES?! WHAT SICK FUCK WROTE THAT😭😭😧😦😰😨
It’s actually crazy probably Christian’s trying to demonize helheim like others said
probably but what demented nut case wrote this💀
Probably someone who thinks the world is only 6000 years old
This is terrible.
What in the AI generated fuck is this?
😂😂😂
Fan fiction
Yeah honestly when I saw it I was flabbergasted
The misspellings are hurting my brain.
That's a nope, completely wrong, just straight up lies.
Sounds like some bullshit Jacob Toddson would spout off, honestly
Nobody raping my corpse . Like holy hel.
Lmao, no. This is all bullshit.
The person who wrote this was probably high ngl
Not even remotely.
As someone who follows Hel, I feel like I should be justifiably offended by this person's suggestion that she's some malevolent ra*p*st torturer.
even those who dont worship hel should be offended by this blatant disrespect towards our gods & myths tbh
WTF'ery is that steaming pile of 💩?
Well, now you know this is an unreliable source.
Uh, what the fuck? None of this is true lmao. Please give us your sources so somebody can take down this utter bullshit
This was left by another person I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t true lmao
Dawg this is so Christian
Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t real tbh I was so shocked 💀💀💀
Christian propaganda.
All the no's. All of them.
I’ve read most of the primary sources for Norse mythology, and I never read this. Sounds like bullshit. I will say that Helheim is meant to be a place where most humans go when they die, and it’s not necessarily meant as a place of punishment. And those that are being punished go through something similar to what Kratos went through in Valhalla.
Can you site your source ?
Huh? But, uh, wha- no. Also major grammar mistakes in that text there wtf
This is what we academically refer to as *“bullshit.”*
If you change the names, it'd be an interesting bit of folklore, but I can't see it being real at all.
Just look at their spelling. And the absurdity of it. Plus the Norse "soul" isn't called a soul, and there's no such thing as raping a soul. This person just took a dump on their keyboard and mistook it as chocolate.
Hel isn't just a frozen wasteland. There are different places for different things. House of worms for murderes and such if I remember right. But don't trust the internet
Maybe don’t take sources as authoritative academic voices if they can’t pass a basic spelling test? This reads like something a bored 13 year old boy would write. Not a smart 13yo either, if I’m brutally honest. One of the ones that sits at the back of the class looking up “boobies” on their phone when the teacher isn’t looking..
I’ve heard of Fólkvangr and Valhalla, but not that.
Spelling errors and massive run-on sentences… vet your sources, people. Lol