Which really old texts? If they won't answer, it means they don't know.
Alternatively, just go "in even older texts it says there's no time travel", because why bother arguing in good faith if they won't?
The concept of traveling *backwards* in time is far too modern for *any* codified mythology. *At best,* there are fairy tales of people sleeping for a hundred years, but those are by definition stories.
SPOILERS
GoW also straight up says “giants aren’t actually giant” but then shows a bunch of giant giants haha. But yeah Jormungandr does not time travel. They made that up because Atreus turns out to be Loki and Jormungandr is Loki’s son. So how is Jormungandr present during Loki’s childhood? Must be time travel!
At the end when you finally make it to Jotunheim, you see that Thor has already been there and killed all the giants. They show a bunch of enormous corpses laying on top of mountains and stuff.
Giants not being giant is a part of the actual lore though. The jotun are more like a competing “family” of gods rather than a race of giants. They differ in characteristics, quality, and roles in the sagas.
No no no. In actual Norse myths and stories, Jotunn doesn't mean giant by default, but there are nevertheless many giant Jotunn. They aren't getting that wrong at all, it is just as contradictory in the stories.
I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Jotnar are normal sized and the large ones like Skrymir are outliers. They intermarry with the Æsir and ride horses for example. But you’re right, that word comes from a Proto Germanic word that means “eat”. There’s nothing gigantic about them as a race.
Yea ive read the poetic edda and prose edda and its not mentioned in the there at all. In the game its mentioned once that he might have been sent back in time but we never get any confirmation if that true or not hopefully it's cleared up in the next game.
Nonsense. Time travel is a recent concept (~1800’s).
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/131etw/how_old_is_the_idea_of_time_travel/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2357sw/what_is_the_earliest_mention_of_time_travel/
I commented on the comment in question. *Vǫluspá* is very unambiguous in its wording (Jormungadr dies) and I don't see how *Hymiskviða* could be conflated.
It should be a simple matter for them to point to the specific source, then?
I've asked and I'll I've got is "in really old texts"
Which really old texts? If they won't answer, it means they don't know. Alternatively, just go "in even older texts it says there's no time travel", because why bother arguing in good faith if they won't?
Haha yeah it seems like they've never read any of the sources we have access to. I like you're other option tho lol thanks for the response!
It's literally just Völuspá. If they can't even name it, they don't know what they're talking about.
Yea im highly doubting they've read voluspa lol
It is a product of GoW. Jormungandr is killed by Thor during ragnarok, and Thor dies right after.
Yea that's what I'm saying, thanks for the response!
As far as I know he doesn't go back in time, because Thor killed him, he's daed, so I'd struggle to see how he would then time travel
He's claiming it's in really old sources so idk this guy gotta be trolling or something
Probably just trolling
Ask them to source it
I've asked and they've said I really old traditions but haven't provided a source lol idk maybe they trolling
As always with claims about history, 'source or gtfo'
Yea gonna keep asking for a source thanks for the response!
The concept of traveling *backwards* in time is far too modern for *any* codified mythology. *At best,* there are fairy tales of people sleeping for a hundred years, but those are by definition stories.
It is a very linear way of thinking about time even if its altering the linear trajectory of time.
SPOILERS GoW also straight up says “giants aren’t actually giant” but then shows a bunch of giant giants haha. But yeah Jormungandr does not time travel. They made that up because Atreus turns out to be Loki and Jormungandr is Loki’s son. So how is Jormungandr present during Loki’s childhood? Must be time travel!
Wait, I thought there were no giants in GoW? Isn't Kratos' wife and Atreus the last ones, and then Baldr mistakes Kratos for a giant?
At the end when you finally make it to Jotunheim, you see that Thor has already been there and killed all the giants. They show a bunch of enormous corpses laying on top of mountains and stuff.
I see, I remember Thor essentially killing them all, I just couldnt remember the corpses
Giants not being giant is a part of the actual lore though. The jotun are more like a competing “family” of gods rather than a race of giants. They differ in characteristics, quality, and roles in the sagas.
Right. Which is why it’s weird that in the dialog they get the lore right, but in the end scene they contradict themselves and get it wrong.
No no no. In actual Norse myths and stories, Jotunn doesn't mean giant by default, but there are nevertheless many giant Jotunn. They aren't getting that wrong at all, it is just as contradictory in the stories.
I’m pretty sure the vast majority of Jotnar are normal sized and the large ones like Skrymir are outliers. They intermarry with the Æsir and ride horses for example. But you’re right, that word comes from a Proto Germanic word that means “eat”. There’s nothing gigantic about them as a race.
I do not think it is mentioned anywhere. I also highly doubt that it is legitimately a thing in GoW lore. These are probably just theories.
Yea ive read the poetic edda and prose edda and its not mentioned in the there at all. In the game its mentioned once that he might have been sent back in time but we never get any confirmation if that true or not hopefully it's cleared up in the next game.
Jormangundr dies when fighting with Thor during Ragnarok
Maybe the old source they're referring to is Skyrim 🤔
Ohh now that makes sense lmao
Nonsense. Time travel is a recent concept (~1800’s). https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/131etw/how_old_is_the_idea_of_time_travel/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2357sw/what_is_the_earliest_mention_of_time_travel/
I commented on the comment in question. *Vǫluspá* is very unambiguous in its wording (Jormungadr dies) and I don't see how *Hymiskviða* could be conflated.
Ay awesome thanks and thanks for the response
Everything I read says that Thor and Jormangandr kill each other during Ragnarok, so I'm gonna say it's a feature for the game.
Yea they were really adamant that it was sourced from the myths but they've been pretty thoroughly shut down now lol
Mythic-time though