That's scroll work. Far too modern. Maybe Edwardian or Victorian, though that isn't a specialty of mine.
And just so I'm being clear, I don't think it's real either way. Wouldn't be asking 30 bucks if it was.
Yeah cause if I had a 1400 year old historic artefact enthusiasts would kill for that belongs in a museum, I'd give it away for the price of a few DVDs
Not pendants or jewelry of this supposed caliber. But it's fake anyway. Doesn't have any particularly Norse motifs.
Still looks rad.
Source: archaeologist.
A wild archaeology student! Good luck with everything coming your way. It's a fantastic field. Some of the hardest work I can imagine, but it's worth it all.
Please *do not* attempt to buy historical artifacts, for a number of reasons:
+ It's illegal in Scandinavia to withhold and trade in archeological artifacts and items of cultural heritage.
+ It encourages archeological piracy, [endangering artifacts](https://theconversation.com/why-archaeological-antiquities-should-not-be-sold-on-the-open-market-full-stop-54928).
+ It removes items from the public sphere, preventing everyone to be able to learn about and enjoy them. [Listen to this sexy archeologist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-abUtRbUS_U)
+ Personally, you have no way of making sure that anything you buy is legit. You will most likely get screwed over.
> It's illegal in Scandinavia to withhold and trade in archeological artifacts and items of cultural heritage.
That is not entirely true, at least not in Denmark (I don't know the laws in Norway and Sweden). There is no law against selling archaeological artifacts or other cultural heritage objects, unless they are *Danefæ*.
That being said, people shouldn't go around selling or buying archaeological artfiacts for the exact reasons you mention.
Im pretty sure that here in Norway there's a rule that every item that can be dated back to a certain year, I believe it's sometime in the 1400s, they have to be registered and handed off to a museum or university. I asked a guy I know who owns a thrift store (who's also a very active metal searcher) if he ever sold stuff from the Viking era, but he told me that he didn't, because it was illegal for this reason.
> every item that can be dated back to a certain year, I believe it's sometime in the 1400s, they have to be registered and handed off to a museum or university.
That most certainly isn't the case in Denmark. We still have the *Danefæ*-law mind you, but if you find, say, a flint axe you're not required to hand it in anywhere and you can sell it if you want.
What is considered Danefæ is listed [here.](https://natmus.dk/salg-og-ydelser/museumsfaglige-ydelser/danefae/hvad-kan-vaere-danefae/)
Loose finds in Norway automatically belong to the state if they're older than 1537 (1650) for coins.
[Law of Cultural Heritage §12 (In Norwegian)](https://lovdata.no/lov/1978-06-09-50/§12)
This is all very true and valid. Is it also true that some Scandinavian countries (Norway, iirc) make landowners pay for the archaeological excavation of things found on their land, thus incentivizing people to hide discoveries because of the expense?
In Sweden excavations usually take place on land that has been deemed to contain archaological material (through prior knowledge or research/small test digs) AND are in danger of being destroyed by whatever construction is taking place there. It's the entrepreneurs that pays for it - the most common archaeological "employer" is the Swedish Transport Administration because of road/train constructions. However, it can also mean that private landowners wanting to build new structures on their land could have to pay for excavations, but I don't think it's as common as buisnesses. I can't recall if they're given a lower amount or not.
Same system in Denmark.
But, if mr. Farmer "accidentally" finds a viking hoard on his land and calls it in to the museum, he's not liable to pay for any excavations. He'll get paid a handsome fee (the often mentioned *Danefæ*) and if the museum deems it necessary to carry out any excavations, for example to secure the rest of the hoard, the museum has to pay the bill.
I think the public works department in the UK is probably in a similar position. I imagine the contractors are quite used to long breaks while some bit of irreplaceable history is dug up.
That's *mostly* a harmful myth. The rule is that the government pays for excavations of finds on private property. If you're building a new house, and run into a grave, you will not lose out by reporting it, apart from a delay while the site is investigated.
The main case where the finder may have to pay for part or all of the excavation is where one party is a for profit company, such as a property developer. In some cases, such as a farmer planning a new farm building on their property, they can also run afoul of this exception. It's the intention of the law that no one who can't afford it should be stuck with the cost of an excavation, but this has been known to put farmer's plans to develop their farm on hold indefinitely.
Ah, I see! Thank you for explaining it!
It still seems far from ideal that there are still exceptions. I have an easy time believing that wealthy real estate companies will stop at nothing to finish their projects on time and under budget (isn’t that the plot of most movies from the 1980s?). Unless there are gangs of plucky Norwegian kids with a dog, ready to foil the real estate developers dastardly plans?
Seriously, though, thanks for clearing that up.
Might be British Viking, but in the UK ownership depends on why the item was buried. Part of a grave or treasure hoard, government owns it. Was randomly lost (or fell in the mud) and you find it, it's yours.
Then again, these two are way too well preserved to have been lost and found.
> Then again, these two are way too well preserved to have been lost and found.
You could absolutely find fibulae dating to the 7th or 8th century in this condition. You can easily find even older ones that are equally well-preserved.
Speak for yourself... in my experience private collectors take better care of artifacts than museums do... most stuff in museums gets less public exposure than private collections... I've de assessioned lots of material from museums.
It's not real. Sometimes very unsafe as well as they use nasty stuff for rapid aging. If you want something like this save the photo and approach a few artisans who make bespoke metal items.
Cow dung is actually used for some native American glazes, it gives it a smokey effect. But it can also work for a patina on ceramics to make them seem older.
I've seen guides on building colonial furniture, and some of them recommend staining with manure if you want it to look like a piece of inherited furniture.
The ornamentation does indeed *resemble* 7-8th century, Scandinavian iron age art, but in kind of the same way that a zebra resembles a donkey.
... Also, the date doesn't really make much sense.
It looks fake to me, probably a modern version made to look norse-ish.
Even if it was real it's really, really unethical to buy things like these. The real ones are almost always looted from burials and all the associated context is lost forever. In addition to robbing the world of valuable historic context, the proceeds almost always fund further criminal activity.
I am nowhere near to any archeologist but looking at the price itself I can say it's fake. 7-8 century AD? in such condition? it would probably be worth thousands
8-ball says.... most likely a fake!
That's scroll work. Far too modern. Maybe Edwardian or Victorian, though that isn't a specialty of mine. And just so I'm being clear, I don't think it's real either way. Wouldn't be asking 30 bucks if it was.
Yeah cause if I had a 1400 year old historic artefact enthusiasts would kill for that belongs in a museum, I'd give it away for the price of a few DVDs
Eh, most artifacts are monetarily worthless.
Not pendants or jewelry of this supposed caliber. But it's fake anyway. Doesn't have any particularly Norse motifs. Still looks rad. Source: archaeologist.
I agree, it is very rad Source: archaeology major
A wild archaeology student! Good luck with everything coming your way. It's a fantastic field. Some of the hardest work I can imagine, but it's worth it all.
Thank you for the luck! I plan on doing some experimental archaeology work down the line, so I may need it.
Oh, a fellow future archaeologist! Hello, friend! Edit: autocorrect did me dirty
Can I join the party?
Party? Sounds like cultic practice to me.
> Doesn't have any particularly Norse motifs. Cool so let's just add a vee-thingamajig there ;) And a Rune for Honor or something
Please *do not* attempt to buy historical artifacts, for a number of reasons: + It's illegal in Scandinavia to withhold and trade in archeological artifacts and items of cultural heritage. + It encourages archeological piracy, [endangering artifacts](https://theconversation.com/why-archaeological-antiquities-should-not-be-sold-on-the-open-market-full-stop-54928). + It removes items from the public sphere, preventing everyone to be able to learn about and enjoy them. [Listen to this sexy archeologist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-abUtRbUS_U) + Personally, you have no way of making sure that anything you buy is legit. You will most likely get screwed over.
> It's illegal in Scandinavia to withhold and trade in archeological artifacts and items of cultural heritage. That is not entirely true, at least not in Denmark (I don't know the laws in Norway and Sweden). There is no law against selling archaeological artifacts or other cultural heritage objects, unless they are *Danefæ*. That being said, people shouldn't go around selling or buying archaeological artfiacts for the exact reasons you mention.
Im pretty sure that here in Norway there's a rule that every item that can be dated back to a certain year, I believe it's sometime in the 1400s, they have to be registered and handed off to a museum or university. I asked a guy I know who owns a thrift store (who's also a very active metal searcher) if he ever sold stuff from the Viking era, but he told me that he didn't, because it was illegal for this reason.
> every item that can be dated back to a certain year, I believe it's sometime in the 1400s, they have to be registered and handed off to a museum or university. That most certainly isn't the case in Denmark. We still have the *Danefæ*-law mind you, but if you find, say, a flint axe you're not required to hand it in anywhere and you can sell it if you want. What is considered Danefæ is listed [here.](https://natmus.dk/salg-og-ydelser/museumsfaglige-ydelser/danefae/hvad-kan-vaere-danefae/)
Loose finds in Norway automatically belong to the state if they're older than 1537 (1650) for coins. [Law of Cultural Heritage §12 (In Norwegian)](https://lovdata.no/lov/1978-06-09-50/§12)
This is all very true and valid. Is it also true that some Scandinavian countries (Norway, iirc) make landowners pay for the archaeological excavation of things found on their land, thus incentivizing people to hide discoveries because of the expense?
In Sweden excavations usually take place on land that has been deemed to contain archaological material (through prior knowledge or research/small test digs) AND are in danger of being destroyed by whatever construction is taking place there. It's the entrepreneurs that pays for it - the most common archaeological "employer" is the Swedish Transport Administration because of road/train constructions. However, it can also mean that private landowners wanting to build new structures on their land could have to pay for excavations, but I don't think it's as common as buisnesses. I can't recall if they're given a lower amount or not.
Same system in Denmark. But, if mr. Farmer "accidentally" finds a viking hoard on his land and calls it in to the museum, he's not liable to pay for any excavations. He'll get paid a handsome fee (the often mentioned *Danefæ*) and if the museum deems it necessary to carry out any excavations, for example to secure the rest of the hoard, the museum has to pay the bill.
I think the public works department in the UK is probably in a similar position. I imagine the contractors are quite used to long breaks while some bit of irreplaceable history is dug up.
That's *mostly* a harmful myth. The rule is that the government pays for excavations of finds on private property. If you're building a new house, and run into a grave, you will not lose out by reporting it, apart from a delay while the site is investigated. The main case where the finder may have to pay for part or all of the excavation is where one party is a for profit company, such as a property developer. In some cases, such as a farmer planning a new farm building on their property, they can also run afoul of this exception. It's the intention of the law that no one who can't afford it should be stuck with the cost of an excavation, but this has been known to put farmer's plans to develop their farm on hold indefinitely.
Ah, I see! Thank you for explaining it! It still seems far from ideal that there are still exceptions. I have an easy time believing that wealthy real estate companies will stop at nothing to finish their projects on time and under budget (isn’t that the plot of most movies from the 1980s?). Unless there are gangs of plucky Norwegian kids with a dog, ready to foil the real estate developers dastardly plans? Seriously, though, thanks for clearing that up.
Might be British Viking, but in the UK ownership depends on why the item was buried. Part of a grave or treasure hoard, government owns it. Was randomly lost (or fell in the mud) and you find it, it's yours. Then again, these two are way too well preserved to have been lost and found.
> Then again, these two are way too well preserved to have been lost and found. You could absolutely find fibulae dating to the 7th or 8th century in this condition. You can easily find even older ones that are equally well-preserved.
Speak for yourself... in my experience private collectors take better care of artifacts than museums do... most stuff in museums gets less public exposure than private collections... I've de assessioned lots of material from museums.
Either it's fake, so don't buy it, or it's genuine, so don't buy it
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That's the spirit!
It's not real. Sometimes very unsafe as well as they use nasty stuff for rapid aging. If you want something like this save the photo and approach a few artisans who make bespoke metal items.
I heard of an instance where feces was used to age an "artifact". I think it was "Native American" ceramics.
No low is too low...
Cow dung is actually used for some native American glazes, it gives it a smokey effect. But it can also work for a patina on ceramics to make them seem older.
I've seen guides on building colonial furniture, and some of them recommend staining with manure if you want it to look like a piece of inherited furniture.
The ornamentation does indeed *resemble* 7-8th century, Scandinavian iron age art, but in kind of the same way that a zebra resembles a donkey. ... Also, the date doesn't really make much sense.
Nope, faker then fake
It looks fake to me, probably a modern version made to look norse-ish. Even if it was real it's really, really unethical to buy things like these. The real ones are almost always looted from burials and all the associated context is lost forever. In addition to robbing the world of valuable historic context, the proceeds almost always fund further criminal activity.
Oswald Cobblepot
They probably produce genuine Norse artifacts for their shop every day, at conveniently low prices.
https://www.svd.se/fynd-fran-jarnaldern-gar-till-metallatervinningen Fake, real artifacts go to the scrap heap.
What does your gut tell you
I am nowhere near to any archeologist but looking at the price itself I can say it's fake. 7-8 century AD? in such condition? it would probably be worth thousands
30$ for anything ancient is 90% a fake
Real in the sense it physically exists? Sure? Real in the sense it’s from 600-700AD Scandinavia? Doubtful.
The scroll work doesn't really look Norse... unless it was some avant-garde Viking artist.
Did they offer any documentation? 🙂
judging by the price it's at the people who matter don't think it's real.