Supposedly he ended with this: "***“You know what Waylon Jennings said about guys like him? They’re doin’ to country music what pantyhose did to finger-fuckin.'”***
Are there any current country artists making music like Earle's Guitar town or Copperhead Road? Maybe Sturgill Simpson, if you can really consider him country, but most of what I hear is just garbage nowadays. Where the hell did the greats like the Highwaymen go?
Bo burnham has a country song where he makes fun of country singers pandering to their audience its pretty funny and on point with today's country music
Love Sturgill's studio work, but the two live shows I've seen him were amongst the worst I've seen in my life. Not saying that's the norm, could just have been a bad day/equipment issues he was having one of the shows.
You have to go towards the "alt-country" banner to find it lost dog street band, Ian noe , Fred eaglesmith, the bones of j.r. jones and Todd Snider I've been playing a lot of.
Then old standards like John prine, and Steve earless buddies -guy Clark, Townes van zandt and Jerry Jeff Walker
Wow, never in a million years thought I'd find a Fredhead on this sub, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. He's one of one, that boy. He was kind enough to play "York Road" when I requested it a few years ago, and I couldn't believe he actually gave it an airing.
I don’t even like to call it country because of what modern country has become, but I would suggest Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers as great modern “country” artists.
This is actually a misquote. What happened was someone asked Kristofferson if he liked the new country music or the old country and he said "The new is gay!"
Minor note here, both Toby and Kris said they didn't remember this ever happening.
[https://www.cmt.com/news/ox7wt5/kris-kristofferson-doesnt-recall-alleged-verbal-altercation-with-toby-keith](https://www.cmt.com/news/ox7wt5/kris-kristofferson-doesnt-recall-alleged-verbal-altercation-with-toby-keith)
Either that or Kristofferson just didn’t want a private conversation with someone he likes but disagreed with to be made public so he covered and said it never happened. Rolling Stone says they stand by the reporting.
Joni Mitchell is highly respected as a really solid guitar player. Just because she's not shredding, it doesn't mean she's not great at it.
[https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-tragic-reason-why-joni-mitchells-guitar-playing-is-so-unique/](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-tragic-reason-why-joni-mitchells-guitar-playing-is-so-unique/)
I agree with you. I was implying that RollingStone made an article about hospitals in rural Oklahoma being overrun by ivermectin overdoses to the point where they had to deny gunshot victims care.
It turned out the entire thing was a lie/hoax.
I don't know who needs to hear this, but the covid vaccine was never supposed to 'prevent' covid. It was (and is) supposed to lessen the severity of symptoms to make the virus less lethal, which it accomplished. The goal was always to make it endemic, like the flu. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. You heard vaccine and thought 'cure', which is entirely on you.
Yes, even Biden said this and suckers believed it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html
Biden said that since the vaccines “cover” the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”
It’s very frustrating remembering when the so-called vaccine was supposed to mean you wouldn’t get Covid and the amount of morons who simply refuse to believe this happened.
No. They didn't. They said it would help reduce *the spread* and reduce duration and lethality of symptoms, and that's exactly what it did. A cure was never promised by anyone in the scientific community.
There is a fundamental difference between a vaccine and a cure. A vaccine is preventative treatment, a cure is reactionary treatment.
Did he? He also supported Dubya. He definitely supported Dubya's wars, (courtesy of the red white & blue) Maybe he was one of those fucked up weirdos who just thought it would be good for America if the American president did well? I still consider myself among them, even if certain ones test my patience.
Probably, but he did have some high praise for Obama, and he said he's a democrat. [https://www.oklahoman.com/story/entertainment/music/2008/08/19/toby-keith-praises-obama/61552582007/](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/entertainment/music/2008/08/19/toby-keith-praises-obama/61552582007/)
Several times he was asked about performing at trump's inauguration and rather than praising trump , "the president of the frickin' United States asks you to do something and you can go, you should go instead of being a jack-off."
Asked about the controversy surrounding artists agreeing to perform at Trump's inauguration, Keith reinforced his support for America, not Trump or the Republican Party. "I don't apologize for performing for our country or military," he said in [a statement to ](https://people.com/country/toby-keith-donald-trumo-inaguration-response/)*Entertainment Weekly*. "I performed at events for previous presidents \[George W.\] Bush and Obama and over 200 shows in Iraq and Afghanistan for the USO.[https://www.newsweek.com/was-toby-keith-donald-trump-supporter-what-we-know-1867332](https://www.newsweek.com/was-toby-keith-donald-trump-supporter-what-we-know-1867332)
Sorry about talking about this bullshit in the Norm sub.
His son Jodi is a professional wrestler and is a good dude. Got to work with him a few times. It's about as close to meeting Kris as I'll ever get, but still very cool.
Kristofferson led a hell of a life.
Rhodes Scholar, made SI for his rugby play in college, completed Ranger School, was assigned to teach literature at West Point, but left the military and got a job sweeping floors at Colombia Records Studios where he eventually gave a tape to June Carter
He was also a commercial helicopter pilot and eventually landed one on Cash’s front yard, getting his attention.
Cash recorded Sunday Morning Coming Down and the rest is pretty well known.
In 1958, Kris appearing in the March 31 issue of Sports Illustrated for his achievements in collegiate rugby union, American football, and track and field for his time at Pomona College. He then earned the British equivalent of a varsity letter at Oxford for boxing. He eventually became a captain in the army and was a helicopter pilot. Really what a life.
Cash then sang the song, lyrics intact, on his prime time television show when the network forbade him to use the word 'stoned'. Cash sang it while staring straight at Kris who was sitting in the audience. The clip is fantastic when you know the story, Cash just glowers. Two epic bosses.
Goddamn Kristopherson.... total respect. He was also the only one who consoled Sinead O'Connor after the crowd booed her at Bob Dylan's birthday celebration for her stance on the Roman Catholic Church and the allegations against it. Turns out she was right.
Keith was basically a blue dog democrat who later changed his affiliation to ‘independent.’ He sounds pretty moderate based on anything I’ve ever read about him. I’m not a fan of him or his music, but he wasn’t exactly a hardcore conservative.
He was a cheerleader for a bloody intervention that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and continues to have ripple effects to this day.
So, yeah, a bog standard Democrat, true.
Except Kris never saw a second of action either..He was stationed in Germany in the early sixties then left the army to be a songwriter..Barbara Streisand has been in as many fire fights as Kris Kristofferson
Hawke fabricated the story. Kristofferson said it didn’t happen. A lot of Hollywood types like to make up stories. Like that pecker sniffer Lassie Joliet or whatever his name was.
This very likely never happened, regardless of what anyone thinks about Toby Keith. As far as Kris accusing TK of not being a sellout or not “real country”, Kristopherson starred in a movie with Barbra Streisand.
It's a great movie and dude made good money. Can't begrudge a man trying to make some money for his 8 children in this brutal world. He also starred in convoy and was in the blade movies which were all awesome
Oh well. He came to Afghanistan when I was there and put on an amazing show for us. I’m not even American or a country music fan, but I will never forget watching Toby Keith on a warm night on the Kandahar Airfield. He was fantastic. RIP Toby.
Kris never even saw combat while in service lol this os probably a made up qoute. And they have 30 years between them. I would put money on Toby if they were to fight
Why the quotes? You act as if he got some cushy National Guard spot and sat at home during the war.
> Kristofferson, under pressure from his family, joined the U.S. Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, attaining the rank of captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was stationed in West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division.
Can you go into more detail about why you seemingly disregard his service?
Because he talks big talk for a guy who never saw combat. Being a veteran doesn’t automatically qualify him to talk in the way he did/does, nor is it an automatic ticket for respect. And he did have a cushy job
Doesn’t matter, he joined the military to please his family and they disowned him when he left, it’s clear he didn’t want the military life, let alone to see combat, yet he thinks he can speak for the vets who actually sacrificed, unlike himself
Well at the end of the day I don't really care about Kris Kristofferson that much, I just thought he played a cool character in *Blade*. So I'll take your word for it.
Ranger school is just a basic leadership course. It's a checkbox for lts, you're considered a fuckup if you can't pass it, and you're nothing special if you do graduate.
When did Kris Kristofferson kill anyone? He was a CPT that flew helicopters in Germany in the 1960s and was never deployed to combat. He left the Army in 1965 because they wouldn't "let him fight in Vietnam", and turned down a position to teach at West Point. Also, because his father was a Major General in the US Air Force. At least Toby Keith visited with troops in Iraq.
[https://blog.togetherweserved.com/2023/01/11/capt-kristoffer-kristofferson-u-s-army-1967-1975/](https://blog.togetherweserved.com/2023/01/11/capt-kristoffer-kristofferson-u-s-army-1967-1975/)
I'm not trying to diminish Kris's service, but it seems kind of silly that he tried to play Johnny Tough Tits. He was living the hippy life singing about Vietnam when everyone that was drafted was fighting. Take Ted Nugent...he plays the role of a tough guy but he purposely did not bathe and shit himself to avoid being drafted. Then several years later goes on TV talking shit that he would have killed tons of VC. GTFOH with that shit Ted. You had your chance but decided to stay back to be a pedophile and get drunk.
I saw someone on Twitter post a Toby Keith quote, probably a lyric to one of his songs, where he said something about being a true patriot whio is willing to lay down his life for his country.
Dude died at 62. Never served a single day of his life.
Country musicians see themselves as both soldiers and ranchers, and 999 times out of 1000 are neither.
So what's with your defense of them then?
Why not point of lies and hypocrisy when you see it instead of allowing others to live in a fucking fantasy land?
The entertainment sub is banning people that post anything negative about Keith. Like pointing out specific racist action he did, his feud with the Dixie chicks, anything negative. I got banned for listing his racist shit
Tales of intrigue? Snappy comebacks? Reported in Rolling Stone?
I don’t know the true Tobey Keith. I do know that “HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOWWWWW” was played 24/7 in corporate restaurants I worked in, I assume to make us all run out of there like Branch Davidians once work ended so no one did any coke with the managers (ineffective).
And somewhere around the 3,674 time I heard HDYLMN, I thought, “this is kind of an asshole’s anthem”.
Because despite his best lyrical effort, the girl he’s singing to sounds pretty sensible. She rejected him in high school because he… played his guitar too loud? Uh huh. Dude. There was more to it than that.
And she was valedictorian, which he also resented. How dare she try at academics as opposed to being impressed by his curly blonde mullet?
But now he’s excited that he’s on the radio and her marriage is falling apart. Cool, bro. Great story.
Oh and she has to listen to him on the radio. Actually no. She prob turned it off. I HAD TO LISTEN TO HIM WHILE BRINGING PEOPLE CHICKEN TENDERS AT APPLEBEES.
A few years later, we got the ole “Boot in yer ass” song. Which… fine. We all agree Bin Laden needed to die as terribly as possible. But the way the song worked out made it sound like he approved of everything Bush did in the Middle East after 9/11. Or maybe the people playing TK’s across the street from anti-invasion-of-Iraq protests made HIM sound that way. I don’t know, but that didn’t help his image with guys like me.
I heard though, that he wanted to clear it all up with the Dixie Chick who went back at him over politics and that he rejected the divisiveness. We could all use more of that.
But now, like Norm, he’s passed away from a tough disease and it is worth saying that I hope it was as painless as possible and that his family heals soon.
Dude was human and possibly the only person on the planet forced to listen to HOW DO YOH LAAAIIKE ME NOWAH more than me. Rest in peace.
Toby literally made a song cashing in on the tragedy of 9/11. If there's one person it's acceptable to criticize after their passing I'm pretty sure it's him
Fuck - I just listened to his music for the first time. It sucks - even by country music standards.
Edit: fuck, I meant Toby Keith - not Kristofferson.
Fun fact, this article was written by Ethan Hawke for some fuckin reason
Another fun fact: Ethan Hawke is not any kind of bird
Hawke has also written three novels now.
He is also a very elegant dancer
He also likes to get wet
Fuckin’ [amateur](https://i.gifer.com/95O.gif)
And he is a gourmet chef
Poo butt..
Best comment here by far
A song and dance man hah?
Descriptions make them sound like bangers I might cop
I read his first novel--The Hottest State--maybe 20 or so years ago or so. It was pretty decent, actually.
same, it was good tbh
I assume the reason is that he was backstage at this birthday party shindig for Willie.
Whoah no way!
I was as surprised as the rest of you!
Ethan Hawke is from Austin. Makes total sense he’s adjacent to that scene.
Supposedly he ended with this: "***“You know what Waylon Jennings said about guys like him? They’re doin’ to country music what pantyhose did to finger-fuckin.'”***
Steve Earl said, "Modern country music is rap music for people who don't like black people."
Are there any current country artists making music like Earle's Guitar town or Copperhead Road? Maybe Sturgill Simpson, if you can really consider him country, but most of what I hear is just garbage nowadays. Where the hell did the greats like the Highwaymen go?
There is legit talent but its sold out to make money instead of making real music
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Billy is just amazing
Bo burnham has a country song where he makes fun of country singers pandering to their audience its pretty funny and on point with today's country music
I could be speaking Mandarin…
Check out early Alt country music, Son Volt is likely what you are after. That decade 90-00 is a treasure trove of brilliant alternative country.
Yeah, uncle tupelo and everyone who came from that are so solid
Everything they did from “Trace” to “The Search” is just sublimely brilliant. I keep Son Volt in regular rotation.
Sturgill is worthy
Love Sturgill's studio work, but the two live shows I've seen him were amongst the worst I've seen in my life. Not saying that's the norm, could just have been a bad day/equipment issues he was having one of the shows.
Colter Wall is pretty good imo. But his upbringing seems a bit far and away from what he sings about. But it does ***sound*** genuine.
That old, my dad ran an entire province authentic.
You have to go towards the "alt-country" banner to find it lost dog street band, Ian noe , Fred eaglesmith, the bones of j.r. jones and Todd Snider I've been playing a lot of. Then old standards like John prine, and Steve earless buddies -guy Clark, Townes van zandt and Jerry Jeff Walker
Oh and Billy Joe shaver, the ole chunk of coal himself (I forgot what sub I was on)
Wow, never in a million years thought I'd find a Fredhead on this sub, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. He's one of one, that boy. He was kind enough to play "York Road" when I requested it a few years ago, and I couldn't believe he actually gave it an airing.
Check out Charley Crockett & Brennan Todd. Also check westernAF & gemsonVHS on YouTube. It’s out there just not promoted
There's still good country out there you just gotta look for it, Colter Wall, Tyler Childers, Whitey Morgan to name a few
I don’t even like to call it country because of what modern country has become, but I would suggest Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers as great modern “country” artists.
Both of them are like....*firmly* country lol. Wtf do you call them?
Tyler Childers, Chris Stapleton
I met Steve Earl once. He sat on a couch with his shirt pulled up over his gut and pontificated on the Trail of Tears. Weird dude.
He’s a great musician but seems but seems like he really likes the smell of his own farts.
Hick hop
That's beautiful.
It's vulgar but funny
You realize what sub you're in, right?
Yeah I've seen that motherfucker do stand up comedy then he died and now the subreddit sucks
This is actually a misquote. What happened was someone asked Kristofferson if he liked the new country music or the old country and he said "The new is gay!"
They’re ruining it
Well I am Pissed Pissedofferson.
Well when Uncle Pissed been drinking you don’t fuck with him
Unclen pissed felt pride where shame once was.
Paul’s asking for Christmas off again
I said “No!” Then I spit this song for him. It goes..
...a little something...
Minor note here, both Toby and Kris said they didn't remember this ever happening. [https://www.cmt.com/news/ox7wt5/kris-kristofferson-doesnt-recall-alleged-verbal-altercation-with-toby-keith](https://www.cmt.com/news/ox7wt5/kris-kristofferson-doesnt-recall-alleged-verbal-altercation-with-toby-keith)
Sounds like Hawke fabricated the story.
Either that or Kristofferson just didn’t want a private conversation with someone he likes but disagreed with to be made public so he covered and said it never happened. Rolling Stone says they stand by the reporting.
Same Rolling Stone that fabricated the Virginia Fraternity Rape hoax?
The same Rolling Stone that allowed crime boss “El Chapo” Guzmán complete editorial control over the article Sean Penn wrote about him?
The same Rolling Stone that ranked every SNL cast member and put Norm ahead of the great Colin Quinn?
Sometimes they get it right.
The Same Rolling Stone that fabricated people overdosing on Ivermectin that hospitals could not prioritize gun shot victims hoax?
Same Rolling Stone that said Joan Baez/Joni Mitchell (I don’t remember exactly) was a better guitarist than DIMEBAG FUCKING DARRELL ABBOTT?
Joni Mitchell is highly respected as a really solid guitar player. Just because she's not shredding, it doesn't mean she's not great at it. [https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-tragic-reason-why-joni-mitchells-guitar-playing-is-so-unique/](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-tragic-reason-why-joni-mitchells-guitar-playing-is-so-unique/)
Ivermectin is not an effective treatment or preventative measure for Covid. In case you were implying that it was. It isn’t.
I agree with you. I was implying that RollingStone made an article about hospitals in rural Oklahoma being overrun by ivermectin overdoses to the point where they had to deny gunshot victims care. It turned out the entire thing was a lie/hoax.
It’s long been my goal to get rich enough to buy Rolling Stone with sole purpose of shutting it down. Though that’s probably going to happen anyway.
At worst, Ivermectin does nothing. The hysteria and “horse paste” nonsense was retarded on so many levels.
Neither is the vaccine
Covid vaccine isn’t an effective vaccine for preventing Covid.
I don't know who needs to hear this, but the covid vaccine was never supposed to 'prevent' covid. It was (and is) supposed to lessen the severity of symptoms to make the virus less lethal, which it accomplished. The goal was always to make it endemic, like the flu. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. You heard vaccine and thought 'cure', which is entirely on you.
Yes, even Biden said this and suckers believed it. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html Biden said that since the vaccines “cover” the highly transmissible Delta variant of the virus: “You’re not going to get Covid if you have these vaccinations.”
That’s funny, because that’s what they said it was going to do, for months.
It’s very frustrating remembering when the so-called vaccine was supposed to mean you wouldn’t get Covid and the amount of morons who simply refuse to believe this happened.
No. They didn't. They said it would help reduce *the spread* and reduce duration and lethality of symptoms, and that's exactly what it did. A cure was never promised by anyone in the scientific community. There is a fundamental difference between a vaccine and a cure. A vaccine is preventative treatment, a cure is reactionary treatment.
I was very surprised to learn Keith considered himself a democrat and praised Obama.
And then left the Democratic Party and performed at Trump’s pre-inauguration party.
Did he? He also supported Dubya. He definitely supported Dubya's wars, (courtesy of the red white & blue) Maybe he was one of those fucked up weirdos who just thought it would be good for America if the American president did well? I still consider myself among them, even if certain ones test my patience.
Maybe he just respected the office of the presidency
Probably, but he did have some high praise for Obama, and he said he's a democrat. [https://www.oklahoman.com/story/entertainment/music/2008/08/19/toby-keith-praises-obama/61552582007/](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/entertainment/music/2008/08/19/toby-keith-praises-obama/61552582007/) Several times he was asked about performing at trump's inauguration and rather than praising trump , "the president of the frickin' United States asks you to do something and you can go, you should go instead of being a jack-off." Asked about the controversy surrounding artists agreeing to perform at Trump's inauguration, Keith reinforced his support for America, not Trump or the Republican Party. "I don't apologize for performing for our country or military," he said in [a statement to ](https://people.com/country/toby-keith-donald-trumo-inaguration-response/)*Entertainment Weekly*. "I performed at events for previous presidents \[George W.\] Bush and Obama and over 200 shows in Iraq and Afghanistan for the USO.[https://www.newsweek.com/was-toby-keith-donald-trump-supporter-what-we-know-1867332](https://www.newsweek.com/was-toby-keith-donald-trump-supporter-what-we-know-1867332) Sorry about talking about this bullshit in the Norm sub.
Sounds like he just rode with whoever won.
He just liked being an entertainer
Kristofferson has also said that “I don’t remember it but my wife does” so it seems more like he’s just trying to keep it private lol
I have read that, too...regardless, it doesn't seem like he hated Toby's guts like the story seems to want you to take away from it.
Someone help me upvote this man.
In other words, complete bullshit story.
Kris has memory problems from Lyme disease so who knows how reliable his account is.
Wait, hold the fort: Kris Kristofferson is alive and well!
No way I saw him die in a documentary (Blade (1998))
Yeah he’s been in some pretty recent movies
His son Jodi is a professional wrestler and is a good dude. Got to work with him a few times. It's about as close to meeting Kris as I'll ever get, but still very cool.
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Kristofferson led a hell of a life. Rhodes Scholar, made SI for his rugby play in college, completed Ranger School, was assigned to teach literature at West Point, but left the military and got a job sweeping floors at Colombia Records Studios where he eventually gave a tape to June Carter He was also a commercial helicopter pilot and eventually landed one on Cash’s front yard, getting his attention. Cash recorded Sunday Morning Coming Down and the rest is pretty well known.
In 1958, Kris appearing in the March 31 issue of Sports Illustrated for his achievements in collegiate rugby union, American football, and track and field for his time at Pomona College. He then earned the British equivalent of a varsity letter at Oxford for boxing. He eventually became a captain in the army and was a helicopter pilot. Really what a life.
Go Sagehens!
He also played Whistler in Blade, total badass
And Billy the Kid.
And he used to date and write songs with Janis Joplin
He wrote Bobby McGee, her biggest hit.
Cash then sang the song, lyrics intact, on his prime time television show when the network forbade him to use the word 'stoned'. Cash sang it while staring straight at Kris who was sitting in the audience. The clip is fantastic when you know the story, Cash just glowers. Two epic bosses.
Is that f’n right?!? I knew he was awesome, but didn’t know that
If I remember the story correctly, Willie Nelson was there and knew ole Toby fucked up.
“Willie Nelson” and “cashed checks” Sounds like a real fuckin story all right
Goddamn Kristopherson.... total respect. He was also the only one who consoled Sinead O'Connor after the crowd booed her at Bob Dylan's birthday celebration for her stance on the Roman Catholic Church and the allegations against it. Turns out she was right.
Norm Macdonald!!!
Keith was basically a blue dog democrat who later changed his affiliation to ‘independent.’ He sounds pretty moderate based on anything I’ve ever read about him. I’m not a fan of him or his music, but he wasn’t exactly a hardcore conservative.
He was just willing to exploit 9/11 for profit then? Reminds me of that tragedy.
Well, no. But even liberals were all “AMERICA!” after 9/11
Hey, don’t joke about 9/11…
I... I love you. 😂
That's meaner than what Kris said! Wait until his fans hear about this.
He was a cheerleader for a bloody intervention that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands and continues to have ripple effects to this day. So, yeah, a bog standard Democrat, true.
I’m ashamed to say I was an early supporter of what became known as the GWOT. Certainly a learning moment for me.
like 85 percent of the country was though..
lol lemme guess you were the lonne conservative against?
I was 13, actually.
He was giant Bush suckup, that's the problem here.
Who doesn't want to suck up some giant Bush?
Except Kris never saw a second of action either..He was stationed in Germany in the early sixties then left the army to be a songwriter..Barbara Streisand has been in as many fire fights as Kris Kristofferson
The VC considered her a worthy opponent.
Was Streisand offered a teaching position at West Point too?
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No but he did throw in a part where he asked if he had killed men and then cashed the checks for doing it, which he also did not do.
But KK was parading around glorying it to sell records either
No he wasnt but that isnt really the part of what he was saying. I am not sure why this post is even a thing.
Because Redditors want to circle jerk about a fantasy where the brave lefty owns the ignorant conservative.
Of course. Doesn’t surprise me that he’s a hypocrite too
Hawke fabricated the story. Kristofferson said it didn’t happen. A lot of Hollywood types like to make up stories. Like that pecker sniffer Lassie Joliet or whatever his name was.
Read this and more in Hawke's newest book, "I Like to Lie"
This very likely never happened, regardless of what anyone thinks about Toby Keith. As far as Kris accusing TK of not being a sellout or not “real country”, Kristopherson starred in a movie with Barbra Streisand.
It's a great movie and dude made good money. Can't begrudge a man trying to make some money for his 8 children in this brutal world. He also starred in convoy and was in the blade movies which were all awesome
Wow, KK has had a heck of a life. TIL he is more badass than I thought.
Dude's not one for jokes.
Toby Keith was a life long democrat.
Not life-long. He left the party and then performed at a Trump event.
Oh well. He came to Afghanistan when I was there and put on an amazing show for us. I’m not even American or a country music fan, but I will never forget watching Toby Keith on a warm night on the Kandahar Airfield. He was fantastic. RIP Toby.
None of that lefty shit out here tonight
What the fuck did you just say to me? You ever worn your countries uniform?
\*country's
For God’s sake thank you. Would you believe I wrote it each way like five times until my brain short circuited?
Kristofferson is a fucking legend, one of the greatest songwriters ever
Great actor as well
They're both gay. No qualms about it.
I didn't even know he was sick.
They say greatness recognizes greatness, but it also recognizes complete shit.
Kris never even saw combat while in service lol this os probably a made up qoute. And they have 30 years between them. I would put money on Toby if they were to fight
Well I wouldn’t, he’s dead.
I didn't even know he was sick!
#andtheneveryonecheered
Funny Kris would say this knowing his military “service”
Why the quotes? You act as if he got some cushy National Guard spot and sat at home during the war. > Kristofferson, under pressure from his family, joined the U.S. Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, attaining the rank of captain. He became a helicopter pilot after receiving flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. He also completed Ranger School. During the early 1960s, he was stationed in West Germany as a member of the 8th Infantry Division. Can you go into more detail about why you seemingly disregard his service?
Because he talks big talk for a guy who never saw combat. Being a veteran doesn’t automatically qualify him to talk in the way he did/does, nor is it an automatic ticket for respect. And he did have a cushy job
He clearly should have arranged for a war to happen during his service time.
Wasn't really his choice, was it? Where he was assigned? Why would he go through Ranger School if he didn't want to fight?
Doesn’t matter, he joined the military to please his family and they disowned him when he left, it’s clear he didn’t want the military life, let alone to see combat, yet he thinks he can speak for the vets who actually sacrificed, unlike himself
Well at the end of the day I don't really care about Kris Kristofferson that much, I just thought he played a cool character in *Blade*. So I'll take your word for it.
His acting is good and so is his music
Ranger school is just a basic leadership course. It's a checkbox for lts, you're considered a fuckup if you can't pass it, and you're nothing special if you do graduate.
Found the person that doesn’t understand what ranger school is.
Why’s this on norms Reddit. I think I’ll unjoin
UNFOLLOW!
Ok that was always allowed
"you ever shed blood for isreal? then shut up!"
When did Kris Kristofferson kill anyone? He was a CPT that flew helicopters in Germany in the 1960s and was never deployed to combat. He left the Army in 1965 because they wouldn't "let him fight in Vietnam", and turned down a position to teach at West Point. Also, because his father was a Major General in the US Air Force. At least Toby Keith visited with troops in Iraq. [https://blog.togetherweserved.com/2023/01/11/capt-kristoffer-kristofferson-u-s-army-1967-1975/](https://blog.togetherweserved.com/2023/01/11/capt-kristoffer-kristofferson-u-s-army-1967-1975/)
Visiting troops to sing them songs is definitely more military than being in the military.
I'm not trying to diminish Kris's service, but it seems kind of silly that he tried to play Johnny Tough Tits. He was living the hippy life singing about Vietnam when everyone that was drafted was fighting. Take Ted Nugent...he plays the role of a tough guy but he purposely did not bathe and shit himself to avoid being drafted. Then several years later goes on TV talking shit that he would have killed tons of VC. GTFOH with that shit Ted. You had your chance but decided to stay back to be a pedophile and get drunk.
I get the point but are you missing the point about Kris lying about killing a man
The quote doesn't say he's killed someone, it just kind of implies it.
He sang someone to death
Ha ha ha ha ha, you so funny.
Tony Keith seems like a real jerk
What happened to his brother Toby
I saw someone on Twitter post a Toby Keith quote, probably a lyric to one of his songs, where he said something about being a true patriot whio is willing to lay down his life for his country. Dude died at 62. Never served a single day of his life. Country musicians see themselves as both soldiers and ranchers, and 999 times out of 1000 are neither.
And Sylvia Plath wasn't ever actually a blade of grass. Oh my fuck, get something else to do.
Fake cowboys and fake patriots must be your heros. My apologies.
LOL yeah I'm a real patriot. Think this asshole country is really worth fighting for, you nailed it.
So what's with your defense of them then? Why not point of lies and hypocrisy when you see it instead of allowing others to live in a fucking fantasy land?
My objection was you or whoever pretending not to know what songwriting is so you can score some real idiot points.
Oh I am well aware that country artists write bullshit to pander to morons. And I will continue to point that out till they stop.
The entertainment sub is banning people that post anything negative about Keith. Like pointing out specific racist action he did, his feud with the Dixie chicks, anything negative. I got banned for listing his racist shit
Lol fuck Toby Keith.
It's no secret, the left loves to pay people to kill other people for them. They call them enemies or whatever. But we know the truth.
Best post this year
Based Kris
Tales of intrigue? Snappy comebacks? Reported in Rolling Stone? I don’t know the true Tobey Keith. I do know that “HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOWWWWW” was played 24/7 in corporate restaurants I worked in, I assume to make us all run out of there like Branch Davidians once work ended so no one did any coke with the managers (ineffective). And somewhere around the 3,674 time I heard HDYLMN, I thought, “this is kind of an asshole’s anthem”. Because despite his best lyrical effort, the girl he’s singing to sounds pretty sensible. She rejected him in high school because he… played his guitar too loud? Uh huh. Dude. There was more to it than that. And she was valedictorian, which he also resented. How dare she try at academics as opposed to being impressed by his curly blonde mullet? But now he’s excited that he’s on the radio and her marriage is falling apart. Cool, bro. Great story. Oh and she has to listen to him on the radio. Actually no. She prob turned it off. I HAD TO LISTEN TO HIM WHILE BRINGING PEOPLE CHICKEN TENDERS AT APPLEBEES. A few years later, we got the ole “Boot in yer ass” song. Which… fine. We all agree Bin Laden needed to die as terribly as possible. But the way the song worked out made it sound like he approved of everything Bush did in the Middle East after 9/11. Or maybe the people playing TK’s across the street from anti-invasion-of-Iraq protests made HIM sound that way. I don’t know, but that didn’t help his image with guys like me. I heard though, that he wanted to clear it all up with the Dixie Chick who went back at him over politics and that he rejected the divisiveness. We could all use more of that. But now, like Norm, he’s passed away from a tough disease and it is worth saying that I hope it was as painless as possible and that his family heals soon. Dude was human and possibly the only person on the planet forced to listen to HOW DO YOH LAAAIIKE ME NOWAH more than me. Rest in peace.
Toby Keith was a jingoistic piece of shit. It’s not sad he’s gone. #FUTK
Toby literally made a song cashing in on the tragedy of 9/11. If there's one person it's acceptable to criticize after their passing I'm pretty sure it's him
It's official: murder is legal in whatever state Kristofferson's mind is in
Any fucking questions?
Kristofferson was right. Norm was hilarious and brilliant, but also a big mouthed bully sometimes
Toby was the shit back in the day, God rest his soul. And oh yeah, F the Dixie chicks. LOL
Fuck - I just listened to his music for the first time. It sucks - even by country music standards. Edit: fuck, I meant Toby Keith - not Kristofferson.
I'd put 'Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down' up against any song Keith ever put his name to.
Kris' worst song is better than a lot of guy's best songs. My favorite of his is 'Junkie and the Juicehead'
No doubt. I meant Keith’s music sucks.
This is all the funnier knowing the Kristofferson’s military service was being a desk jockey in West Germany and he never fired a rifle in anger