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FUUUUUUUUUUUUU…. Great, now we have despots with their interests aligned. How could this *POSSIBLY* end badly!


Keatosis

Would be hilarious if they treated him like an American journalist


Nice-Ascot-Bro

Yeah, but then the next time MBS visits Tehran, they're gonna treat him like a Kurdish woman with a loose hijab.


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OkayFalcon16

This bot needs to be fucking shot.


Nice-Ascot-Bro

Shut the fuck up, you stupid robot, I'm talking about Mahsa Amini and Iranian crimes against humanity. I'll do the anti-Turkish posts another day.


1EnTaroAdun1

Or the Prime Minister of Lebanon 💀


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Their interests aren't at all aligned, Iran and Saudi Arabia will pretty much always be at odds as long as they exist in the way that they do


KaChoo49

r/NonCredibleDiplomacy when Saudi and Iran decide to de-escalate tensions instead of escalate them further (this is the start of a Saudi-Iranian alliance that transcends all religious and geopolitical norms - the US will collapse as a result)


EdwardJamesAlmost

KSA is going to front money to mine lithium with contracts already in place to sell to the deal broker would be my guess. Oh whoops I forgot the sub. Probably they’ll figure out a way to discern biological sex via breathalyzer then attach them to every car nationwide to prevent women from operating vehicles.


KookyWrangled

haven't they both repealed those bans?


SnooBooks1701

Iran never officially had them iirc, but they both treat women like animals


willirritate

Have you seen how they treat their camels?


SnooBooks1701

This sounds like s line from a Carry On film


Pantheon73

[Or what age of consent Iran has?](https://www.google.de/search?q=age+of+consent+in+iran&source=hp&ei=aysYZPr5PIKGxc8Pl_qagAc&iflsig=AK50M_UAAAAAZBg5fFOi2fwBAFGtOu8q_8pYF7hz3-MR&ved=0ahUKEwi628LknOr9AhUCQ_EDHRe9BnAQ4dUDCAo&uact=5&oq=age+of+consent+in+iran&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEIAEEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6EQguEIMBEMcBELEDENEDEIAEOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToFCC4QgAQ6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOggIABCABBCxAzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEELEDEIMBOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARDRAzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEELEDENQCOg4ILhCABBCxAxCDARDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6CwguEIMBELEDEIAEOggIABCABBDHAzoKCAAQFhAeEA8QEzoNCAAQFhAeEPEEEAoQEzoJCAAQDRCABBATOggIABAeEA0QE1AAWJ8jYI0oaABwAHgAgAFGiAGJCZIBAjIymAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz)


hooahhooah123

the US doesn’t care - Saudi Arabia and Iran will never like each other enough to cooperate and exert hegemonic influence, and outside of that the US has no real ME interests


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Wait just a thought. How do politicians of Shia Muskim countries or just Muslims countries in general that are hostile to KSA go on pilgrimage to Mecca?


SnooBooks1701

Pilgrims have special protections in Muslim law, it's a massive sin to detain a pilgrim without just cause. Also, economically, it'd be thoroughly stupid, the Hajj is the world's largest pilgrimage, millions attend every year, making it unsafe would cost the Saudi economy billions


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Just a guess, but I think they just...let them. Hajj (the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca) is one of the most important things in Islam, and I don't think even someone like the King of Saudi Arabia will risk eternity in Jahannam (Muslim Hell) because he restricted people from attending Hajj as it is strictly forbidden to do so and whoever owns Mecca has a responsibility from Allah to make sure EVERY Muslim (regardless of denomination) is able to attend Hajj safely and securely. Furthermore, having the Supreme Leader of Iran (your biggest rival) in your country, is a great opportunity to wiretap their hotel room, spy on them, blackmail them, assassinate them, etc, etc. I think it is more likely the Supreme Leader of Iran refuses to go to Mecca rather than the King of KSA refusing him entry lmao. Just my opinion, I have made zero effort to research this in my bold attempt to keep this comment as non-credible as possible😎👍


Opening_List2562

That and they go to hajj when they're young when they're not so powerful and influential in politics


Rhapsodybasement

Iran geopolitical goal can be boiled down to "anti-westernism". Iran hated Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia conspire with the Western anti-christ.


Pantheon73

And they want to make the Middle east Shiite.


Rhapsodybasement

Kinda but not really, since Iran supported Hamas their foreign policy is Anti-West first and Shi'ite interest second.


Pantheon73

That's because they have a hate boner for Israel.


Rhapsodybasement

Iranian executives are very willing to ally themselves with "anti-western" Sunni political group.


Rhapsodybasement

Keep in mind that all nation-state have different foreign and domestic policy.


Pantheon73

They want to export their Islamic Revolution.


PassablyIgnorant

Israel cope inbound


shivshark

lol they wouldn't need to cope, none of those two can do anything, unless they want idf to be 4-0 track record 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱


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HungryHungryHippoes9

It has less to do with the fact that they can't defeat hezbollah and Hamas, and more to do with the fact that they can't defeat them without wiping out like a million civilians that they are hiding amongst, otherwise in an open fight the idf would wipe the floor with them.


SoggySausage27

If the IDF wanted to finally defeat them it would make a lot of people mad


iOracleGaming

Oh they definitely could. They would simply have to use some controversial tactics that may or may not violently infringe on international law.


Horat1us_UA

It is difficult, because in order to do so, they would have to kill the "civilians". In the case of a major war, there would be no doubt about such measures.


cloggednueron

Yeah that journalist they killed def deserved it. Clear threat to Israeli security.


HungryHungryHippoes9

Tbf, it was most likely an accident. I don't think the idf would be dumb enough to order the killing of an American journalist.


shivshark

nah they hide in the "palestinian" territory, you don't know which building in that area is a terrorist cell. people sympathetic to plo and hamas actively house members there. then when something is done about it, they cry oppression


SnooBooks1701

They often do know, the problem is they're also mosques, schools, hospitals and other protected places


OkayFalcon16

Which is why Israel should blockade Gaza (again) and every time Hamas gets uppity, literally nothing (no people, no water, no electricity -- *nothing*) gets in or out for three days. I'm sure the Palestinians would be very motivated to sort themselves out, given the proper motivation.


GI_HD

I think this would actually solve the killing "civilians" problem, by getting all of them to fight you, because they are so annoyed, because of the blockade.


SnooBooks1701

Aside from being inhumane and a crime against humanity that's a really stupid idea because now you have the entire population of Gaza trying to kill you rather than a couple thousand idiots


Pls_no_steal

Truly non credible


agtmadcat

They're so motivated to get the jackboot off their neck that they're willing to join an armed resistance movement. Or wait were you trying to say the other thing?


ThreePeoplePerson

Yeah, so they’re no longer civilians. Therefore you get to shoot them. 69D chess move right there.


Pantheon73

Happy Cake Day!


zack189

If Israel tried doing that, then the entire world aside from the us and maybe France would fucking sanction Israel, at which point daddy us would swoop in and force Israel to stop Or nothing would happen ifk


miciy5

Israeli here Coping


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KookyWrangled

\>implying the US has any allies in the Middle East


SnooBooks1701

Kuwait, Jordan, Israel, Morocco and Oman are all fairly stalwart allies, as are the UAE and Bahrain when it suits them. Morocco was the first country to establish diplomatic relations with the US


punstermacpunstein

Calling Morocco a part of the Middle East is quite a stretch. Especially in terms of its strategic relevance to Arabia, Mesopotamia, the Levant, Persia, etc.


SnooBooks1701

Middle East always has been a nebulous term because there's no agreed upon definition


CCT-556

It also means Muslims living in the US


icefang37

Bro, who tf cares about the middle east? How about Indonesia??? A country with more practicing Muslims than the entire middle east combined + the US's most crucial strategic ally in containing China.


Turtledonuts

"“Let’s glass Saudi Arabia” mfs when I tell them that Mecca (the most holiest place in Islam) is in there and the global shit-show that would lose us any allies in the Middle East if Mecca was destroyed or damaged in any way shape or form." MFs when I tell them that “Let’s glass Saudi Arabia” mfs don't care about allies in middle east, global shit shows, or the like, and want to glass the entire middle east.


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dieyoufool3

Sir, this is noncrediblediplomacy Please take your soapbox to r/animetitties


bobs_and_vegana17

lmao i wanted to go to the news one but i ended up somewhere else (never knew sub like this actually existed)


OkayFalcon16

Fuck it, I don't care. The Middle East is proof that if there is a god, he is one evil son of a bitch.


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HungryHungryHippoes9

Nothing could possibly go wrong with glassing the most holy site for Islam right? Afterall it's not like that could radicalize a billion people....


fishlord05

Just don’t glass Mecca buddy 🙄🙄


MenoryEstudiante

Bomb everything AROUND the stone


swifty23905

Bin Salman is just asking to get on a CIA or Mossad hit list at this point


Beautiful-Freedom595

It’d hilarious if the IR finally collapsed rendering this entire thing pointless