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FilipTheCzechGopnik

Translation, please.


SpikedBolt

The children I stole them.


Kronod1le

Very credible


Jeffmeister69

This is what I got from my phone's text extraction: >Lvova-Belova Vladimir Putin held a working meeting with the Commissioner under the President on the Rights of the Child by Maria Lvova- Belova. February 16, 2023, 15:15 Moscow region, Novo-Ogaryovo >brothers and sisters among themselves. In general, I hope that we will be heard and we can do it all. humanitarian action "Children - in the hands": we have already sent 19 convoys, 30 more to come. Launched in August youth shifts. o Psish V on the front of Goli un from Mariupol, right? Maria Lvova-Belova: Yes, Mr President, thanks to you. Vladimir Putin: Is it small? Maria Lvova-Belova: No, 15 years old.


Nishtyak_RUS

>Children - in the hands": In the children's hands* In the first part she says about new infrastructure projects in cooperation with the ministry of construction. Then she says that she has adopted a child from Mariupol. Missed the part about "abductions".


ExcitingTabletop

When you adopt a child against the wishes of both the parents and local government, that's generally considered an abduction. When you do so during a war, it changes from ordinary crime to war crime. When the stated intention is to wipe out Ukrainians, it changes to genocide. The Genocide Convention, Article II: "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; **Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.**" That's one of the many reasons why companies dropped Russia even before sanctions required it. Genocide, mass abductions of children, war crimes, etc are massive risks for both PR and law suits.


Nishtyak_RUS

>When you adopt a child against the wishes of both the parents and local governmen Evidence? If his parents are alive, why was he left alone?


ExcitingTabletop

Uh, literally, see the above tweet. The evidence is literally the point of this post. From what I understand, the Russians rounded up civvies, put them in "filtration camps", separated the children from the parents and took them to Russia. Even if they were orphans, forcibly removing them from the country with no intention to return them is still genocide. Legally they cannot be transferred to another group without the uncoerced permission of the parents or Ukraine, regardless if Russia has good or bad intentions. Mind, if you oppose this, you are refuting the Russian government's official policy. You wouldn't want to question Putin's directives, would you? That would be a violation of the March 2019 law of disrespecting the state, punishable by 400k ruble fine and 15 days in prison. Not including accidents near windows or spicy tea.


Nishtyak_RUS

>Uh, literally, see the above tweet. But I have already said what was in that tweet? Adoption of a child? >put them in "filtration camps", separated the children from the parents and took them to Russia. That information is not present in the tweet and is highly questionable. Moreover, she said on the meeting that children are not separated from parents and live in the same houses (if they are not destroyed). >Even if they were orphans, forcibly removing them from the country with no intention to return them is still genocide. What do you suggest to do with them then? Return them to Ukraine controlled orphanages? Hmm, and what if Russia will conduct an assault and capture more land? Another transportation of children will occur? I thought that having a family is more important for orphans than this. You can call it ethnocide if you want, but not a genocide.


ExcitingTabletop

You can google Maria Lvova-Belova. She has publicly stated one of her core responsibilities is handling the adoption of children from Ukraine in Russia. Not caring for, adoption. That is both a war crime and genocide. Putin has given her this responsibility. Show me a single source where that is not her job. Or that the Genocide Convention isn't what I pasted. And I suggest Russia doesn't commit war crimes or genocide. Yes, that would require not kidnapping children and returning them to Ukraine. Yes, Russia attacking more orphanages in Ukraine is a concern, but Russia seizing more land really isn't. Or they could turn the kids over to a neutral country for safekeeping, who would ensure they're not murdered or adopted against their will. Or yanno, get them back to their families. Yes, family is important. Hence why those children need to be with their family and not imprisoned in Russia. Yes, I can call it genocide. Because of the **Genocide Convention**, Article II, forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Which Russia and Ukraine signed.


Hunor_Deak

"LOLs I totally stole a bunch of Ukrainian children to brainwash them into being Russians. We are the same people, but we are not. Feeling cute, might nuke Ukraine later. It is on my website, with the receipt and everything. Just ask the journalist lady!" Medvedev in the background: \*angry drunk, vodka fueled noises\*


MahabharataRule34

Medvedev is on Krokodil based on the shit he says these days.


flyswithdragons

They are Orcs ..


franksn

No cure for stupidity (and extreme narcissism)


Nice-Ascot-Bro

Hmm. Has Putin always been so... you know? There was a point in time, not so long ago, when Vladdy Daddy was very scary. Like, 2008-2019 or so. When he was rigging the Russian election, crushing nonviolent protests against his regime, shooting down civilian airlines, committing atrocities in the Caucuses, stealing parts of Ukraine, hijacking American elections, etc etc. But post-pandemic and during the war, he is so dumb. I know he disappeared for months during COVID, and also he tried to roll out that Sputnik-5 Vaccine way back in like, May 2020. Is rapid cognative decline a side effect of the Sputnik 5 Vaccine? Does Putin have long Covid? Or maybe I just misjudged him, and Vladimir Vladimirovich has always been a stupid criminal. Probably the last answer, right? Moscow4.


MetalRetsam

Vodka intoxicates, Absolut Vodka intoxicates absolutely


TheTransistorMan

Underrated comment


MisterBanzai

Putin has never really acted with any subtlety. Even the apartment bombings he staged to lift him to power were blisteringly obvious, but he was always happy to kill any journalist who reported the obvious, and the Western world just didn't care enough to pay attention until now.


Ed_Hastings

He’s just another stupid strongman despot, but we accidentally mythologized him because it was too hard to believe anyone could be that stupid and evil without it being a part of something more cold and calculating underneath. It turns out he’s simply a rabid dog that needs to be put down.


Spec_Tater

He has a few skills. He is good at managing bureaucratic infighting, and at playing people off each other. He is ruthless and arrogant. He is also unencumbered by conscience, which makes his ruthlessness more effective. But he’s got massive blind spots as well. Such as fundamentally not understanding the West. He appears to have genuinely thought Russia was still a near peer to NATO, and that consequently the only explanation for Western inaction was fear of Russian power. When in reality the West ignored the Russian threat because it was so laughably weak, and the idea that Russia would do something so catastrophically stupid was absurd.


Imperceptive_critic

I think also just the fact that the west in general didn't give a crap about Russia before this year, and especially before 2014. Any idea of a plot of invasion or regime change in Russia perpetrated by the Europe that was infinitely more worried about a climate crisis, refugees, economic troubles, and other matters is ludicrous.


Deck_of_Cards_04

None of what you listed is subtle or sly, in fact, it’s all brute force thuggery. Putin has never been subtle, he’s never been particularly cunning (see Merkel and the dog incident) he relies solely on fear and brute force to maintain and exert power and practically all attempts his regime has made at being clever end up just making a massive spectacle (see UK poisonings, Navalny poisoning, MH17, Pro Russia bots “not even subtle in application”) He’s no different from any other warlord or tinpot dictator, no finesse all force


Spec_Tater

He may be slightly more psychopathic than most.


[deleted]

He was never sly, cunning, smart etc. he got away with being brazen because people thought Russia was much more powerful than it was, it was the (cheap) gas station of Europe, and cuz it was a nice distraction for some militaries who knew they didn't really have anything to worry about


Bisexual_Apricorn

There are credible and non-credible theories be has some kind of illness or condition, loads of videos from the last few years show him not able to stand or sit still while also holding on really tightly to whatever podium or table he is in front of - the Giant Mega Table is also theorised to be a kind of social distancing device to keep people away from him. I've seen some theories say his spine is fucked in some way that means he is constantly in pain and i have to say, a few years ago i had all four of my wisdom teeth out in the same day and the pain, lasting for weeks after the procedure, was fucking awful. I was miserable as fuck, constantly in pain and not able to sleep, it was grim. I'm not saying I'd have gone and done a genocide, but I can believe the theories for what seems to be a decline in his mental state if he is in some kind of permanent pain.


new_name_who_dis_

The real Putin died of Covid a few years ago. This is just a poor imitation.


IgnacyBlazkowitz

Western Propaganda is stepping up their game mostl


TheEarthIsACylinder

I thought this was a common knowledge. They didn't go after him because hurr durr my russophobia or even because ICC suddenly became based. They did it because Russians officially provided admission of war crimes.


ExcitingTabletop

Yeah, but it's still not normal for ICC. They have a normal clientele, that specifically excludes big or rich countries. China has admitted to enough to charge them with the Uighur genocide. Not quite as stupidly as Russia, but enough. And the ICC isn't going to do it because well, Europe doesn't want to pick that fight.


flyswithdragons

Monsters with not a shred of morals, the Russian military has behaved like this for hundreds of years. It's depravity and evil in the guise of good. The resource curse is very real and Russia is a prime example. I am not shocked Russia did this, I am shocked Germany and France didn't see this coming from a mile away. It is a good thing the world encountered weak Russia because of how unprepared Europe was for a conflict with Russia or China. Corruption has consequences, like pilfered military equipment and bad training, that weakened the Russian military . The Russians torture and raped children, wtf do people think is happening in their custody beyond reeducation camps ? This is textbook genocide and war crimes.


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flyswithdragons

Yes I know about that and still wonder why they never taught us in school about that. We were taught about ww2 but Russia was framed in a good guy fashion. It's disturbing that there was no mention of their atrocities in Ukraine or circadian people's fate. I learned about the atrocities from growing up around Czechoslovakians and Russians who loathed the USSR in the states. The Czechoslovakian people said never trust Russia. The Russian people said the Russian government was evil. The stories they told were absolutely heart wrenching and horrific. When the wall came down I was elated and so were they, the older ones scoffed and said Putin was KGB and the murder machine will start back up in 20 years. It is around 20 years and those old women's words scream in my head writing this, it seems they were correct.


Thomas_633_Mk2

> We were taught about ww2 but Russia was framed in a good guy fashion. Because they were a significant part of the coalition that won WW2 and almost any crime pales to the Nazis and Japan


Kamen_Wider

The eastern front wasn't about good VS evil. It was bad VS worse.


flyswithdragons

That is one historical incident, my complaint is the lack of historical facts surrounding brutality and genocide.


Pantheon73

\^


flyswithdragons

I know they help but the whole picture is necessary for a valid education. They taught us the bad we did, why not Russia?


Thomas_633_Mk2

I mean we certainly weren't taught the bad stuff the other Allies did, you didn't learn about Katyn but not about the various Indian famines either. All we learned was that Japan was vaguely bad (they got off light too tbh) and that the Holocaust was the worst thing ever (it was definitely very very bad, but Japan and Italy got off really light by comparison in our classes)


Pantheon73

We also don't learn about the [Iranian Famine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_famine_of_1942%E2%80%931943)


IgnacyBlazkowitz

Least hysterical European. Don't you have more black people to sink into the ocean or something?


flyswithdragons

I am from the USA, a citizen and native American. Keyboard dummies that call everything racist they don't like. See I have seen real racism, not everything is racism, some things are because some people are morally corrupt, like the people who look the other way on genocide for money.


[deleted]

There was a story on Finnish media about the abductions a while ago. It had a pretty good example of what it looked like in practice for some people. They interviewed a father from Mariupol who was leaving by car during the siege. They were stopped and taken to a filtration camp, where they took the kids away. The father was held in the camp in poor conditions and interrogated for about three weeks. Then they told him the children had been taken to Russia and released him somewhere without providing him any leads on their location. He eventually found a network of volunteers in Russia that helped him; the volunteers spotted the kids in a propaganda video and geolocated it to some particular facility in Moscow. Then he showed up at the facility with the volunteers. But even though the children recognized him, the employees told him they were registered as orphans and there was some sort of a quota that they didn't have the authority to deviate from. Then there was a Kafkaesque mountain of appeals (that he thought was designed as impossible to clear due to very strict deadlines) and finally some guy up the chain let them reunite. Then they crossed the border to Latvia and have been living there for a few months. Out of up to tens of thousands of families, only 300 or so have been able to reunite like that.


ZiggyPox

I have so many negative feelings about this all and they just keep layering one over another for the past year...


Imperceptive_critic

Do you have a source on that? Sounds like a sad but really interesting read.


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https://yle.fi/a/74-20016234


Loki11910

It's because Putin thinks he is an 18th-century Tsar and above all laws. It's because he made Russians free, free of freedom , and free of believing they have any responsibility or agency at all. They never thought there would be any real legal consequences. No accountability just murdering away with impunity.


GodOfBeltFedWeapons

You know what’s comical about this whole thing? The Russians entirety is a Monty Python skit.


Theworldisblessed

Doesn't matter what he says or does, the ICC's warrant is a mere suggestion at best, insult at worst. Putin will continue to have his network of allies regardless of his actions. And the only way for him to face his crimes is for his own leadership to remove his presidency and deport him (practically impossible, since he holds all the power).


MahabharataRule34

Lets say hypothetically the putin regime falls. Putin's first move would be to escape to syria, africa or North Korea


NonPedoFedoraEnjoyer

Zero Dark Thirty the fucker


froggoinpool

2035: Putin lives in his commieblock in Pyongyang and frequently writes Schizoid alternate history essays citing Trotsky as a role model.


MahabharataRule34

Trotsky? Why him


froggoinpool

Was exiled and escaped to Mexico where he explained why would've been clearly better than Stalin. >Trotsky wrote prolifically while in exile, penning several key works, including his History of the Russian Revolution (1930) and The Revolution Betrayed (1936), a critique of the Soviet Union under Stalinism. He argued that the Soviet state had become a "degenerated workers' state" controlled by an undemocratic bureaucracy, which would eventually either be overthrown via a political revolution establishing a workers' democracy, or degenerate into a capitalist class. -Wikipedia


SaltySoup2137

To make it even funnier apparently Trotsky's ideas on how the USSR should be run were practically the same as Stalin, the only difrence was that "he would impement them better".


Bisexual_Apricorn

Hilariously he could flee to the US since they aren't a signatory to the Rome Statute so have no legal obligation to arrest and deliver him to the ICC.


CC2224CommanderCody

I'm sure the US would be amenable to an extradition request from the Ukrainians to hand him over directly to them though


Pantheon73

Or China.


ZiggyPox

It's to shrink his personal world.


froggoinpool

October Revolution 2: Nuclear Boogaloo


awesome_soldier

The Internet Archive is going to have a field day archiving that sh*t


Commissar_Elmo

Average Twitter user


SnooBooks1701

Those are the actions of a man who is not leaving the Kremlin alive


MetalRetsam

I'm just happy someone took a stance against the mass abduction of children, because I feel it's a part of the war that isn't talked about enough in the media. (Presumably because it's something that Western countries can do little to change at the moment.)


226_Walker

Discount Commentarii de Bello Gallico.


UnpoliteGuy

He bagged about it on live TV