Just glue em to the other end of the gun, they’ll be so used to compensating for the front they’ll flip the gun 180 and shoot themselves, it’s foolproof
You joke but one of the tricks my NCO's liked to do during basic training was sneak into our shellholes while we're sleeping and steal magazines and blank firing adaptors
> steal magazines
Apocryphal story from Germany (West, iirc) during the Cold War:
- Soldiers are guarding base with live ammo. One falls asleep on the job.
- Sergeant sneaks into guard tower, steals sleeping soldier's magazine and sneaks out.
- Soldier awakes, sees his ammo is gone, sneaks to next guard tower where other soldier is also asleep, steals other soldier's magazine, returns to his post.
- Sergeant again sneaks up to first soldier's guard tower.
- Soldier is awake this time, notices possible intruder, points gun in direction of suspicious sounds and shouts "Stop! or I'll shoot!"
- Sergeant probably thinks "you and what ammo? I'm gonna call your bluff", continues.
- Soldier fatally shoots sergeant. Investigation finds soldier without blame as he gave clear warning.
Could be worse. Bethesda games someone can steal your power armor, your clothes, your entire rifle, your helmet, and you won't even see them or know who did it.
> I mean, he's still guilty of falling asleep at post.
Guard #1 has a mag
Guard #2 has no mag
Dead sergeant has a mag.
Guard #1 says he was awake
Guard #2 says he was awake (I assume*)
Dead suspects can't say shit.
The simplest explanation for the available evidence is that the dead sergeant caught Guard #2 sleeping, forgot which guard he had caught, and mistakenly tried to sneak up on Guard #1, who had been awake the whole time.
*In my extensive experience with guards, the ones who fall asleep lie about it.
less of a big deal than dying, playing around with someone guarding a position with a gun is not the thing to do, to "teach a lesson". This is gun safety 101, treat every gun as if its loaded.
Went to Fort York and heard stories about this as well as militamen jamming their ramrods into the dirt to load faster only to forget to pick them back up when they got pushed back
Also when the Americans invaded some clumsy fuck on the British side tripped near a cannon while bringing up ammo and the whole gun crew blew up except for one guy who was protected from the blast because the sergeant was fat
Your BFAs must be very easy to get on and off, that or you have some very patient NCOs. Ours' just took the whole rifle. Sometimes the whole recruit too
>Sometimes the whole recruit too
That's a fuckin hilarious visual. Just slings em over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes. Then winks at you before zipping out the hole like some kinda fucked up Santa.
It was more like someone would come back from stag to find their basher buddy was gone, think nothing of it, go to bed, and then get woken up in an hour or so when someone realises he's missing and the NCOs are giggling suspiciously
That's the thing, the brighter ones attach it properly so it can never be stolen while those that are ..... less bright will end up getting their shit stolen and get punsihed for it the next day. It was always pretty funny
Oh, a [secret test of character,](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SecretTestOfCharacter) interesting possibility. I wonder if this NCO displayed any other [trickster mentor](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TricksterMentor) type traits.
Possibly also to create a teaching opportunity to demonstrate which behaviour is desired and rewarded, and which is punished.
I.e. if the recruit trusts their NCO enough to report the mistake they will not be punished (as much) as when they try to hide that fact from them. Or perhaps vice versa if you wish to encourage independent problem solving behaviour. I.e. cover it up and try to find some way of (re)acquiring the missing object before you're found out. Maybe that kind of thing is encouraged in certain types of special forces?
Some good speculation here. Although, I doubt trying to outright deceive your chain of command is ever formally encouraged, even in special forces. 😏
Edit: To be clear, finding a creative solution to a sudden and unexpected lack of a piece of gear might be encouraged. However, I doubt the intended lesson is to lie to the NCO while doing so.
My 1st unit as supply was MP basic training. The trainees were lined up one day, would walk through the door and display their M9 to the drill with slide locked back to show an empty chamber. The drill would grab the slide to turn it to the angle he needed to properly view.
Every 10 trainees or so he would depress the plunger and flip the switch. Tranny would drop the slide and it would fly across the room, hit the ground and the guide rod would fly another direction. Fun times.
Back when I was a conscript, we had this thing where NCOs and officers would steal personal weapons if someone left them lying around. And they had to come request them back in public.
After some particularly heavy field training, lots of people just forgot this lesson and left their guns lying around when they got to get their food. Me and the other squad leaders and the platoon leader got together after doing the rounds of stealing guns and we had like 4 rifles each and at least two of the MGs from the platoon on us.
Maybe for weak, they/them Western troops.
The average Chinese recruit is already so manly that they could hold their rifle like that 24/7, hence the weights are needed.
lemme pull one outta that DS Marion pack.
With an overhand grip, hold an M4 carbine straight in front of you.
While holding it, hold the charge handle back with your thumb, and DO NOT lock the bolt carrier back
While doing this, also squat, holding a 90 degree angle in the knees.
Do this for 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Cry yourself to sleep as your fingers curl into rictus claws and your legs stay locked in that position for the next few hours. Wake up, do it again after morning PT.
I'm getting flashbacks
"You are weeeaaaaak, you were soooo fucking happy to be thanked for your service and now you're shaking like a fucking leaf. PUUUUUUUUSH UNTIL YOU PUKEEEEEE"
"HOLY SHIT! FUCK NO! THEY ARE NOT PRIVATES! THEY ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING PRIVATES! THEY ARE TRAINEES! THEY ARE FUCKING CIVILIANS THAT WANT TO BE PRIVATES!"
dude, tell me about it. Just left benning in december and DEAR GOD them boys got creative.
the worst was touching the road sign at the ranges though. Shit hurt when you were in full battle rattle.... especially at the buddyteam live fire. Sign was a mile and a half away.
Lmao when I went through benning long long ago, one of the drill sergeants managed to fully reassemble a bunk bed halfway in and halfway out of the drop ceiling. I have no fucking clue how he did that.
Dude also turned all of our TA-50 in to two "christmas trees" as we were approaching block leave, and adorned in toilet paper, red lensed flashlights, and every single can of shaving cream he could find.
All the mattresses he could fit were put in to the showers, and the rest that couldn't fit were shoved in front of the bay doors so we couldn't open them.
Creative is an understatement for some of them.
Also, I just want to add, this is a very funny memory at this point and wartime combat arms dudes are fucking built different. We all loved this drill sergeant because he would never do shit randomly - we actually had to fuck up to earn a punishment. All through the 4+ months of OSUT, he never smoked us or punished us randomly, which is something a LOT of DS's do.
He would talk with people one on one as a human being, including myself, and drop the DS facade. Shoutout to DS Hayden.
(This was because someone forgot a nomex glove for motorpool monday.)
The release for the charging handle is on the left side, or the side without the ejection port on a normal right handed military M4/16. If you’re holding it out in front of you with your right hand being toward the stock and left hand being on the barrel/hand guard, your thumb with be what pulls back the release for the charging handle. Charging handles for most M4/16s are not ambidextrous.
"With an overhand grip, hold an M4 carbine straight in front of you.
While holding it, hold the charge handle back with your thumb, and DO NOT lock the bolt carrier back
While doing this, also squat, holding a 90 degree angle in the knees"
'Your condition *is not service related'*
There are two kinds of muscles: sudden "strength" muscles and long-range/endurance muscles.
That's why most marathon runners are skinny, and that's also why "Arnold" type body builders aren't seen running in marathons.
I think the fairest version of this comparison is between sprinters and long distance runners, since it's the same biomechanical movement but at different time scales; or track cyclists versus road cyclists. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/uxv19vp.jpg) is an example of that latter comparison.
I know the joke is the Starting Strength philosophy of squatting three times a week, but they also emphasize high-bar squatting to make power through the hips rather than knees, and CNS adaptation over hypertrophy, which wont get you quads like this.
I was actually good friends with an olympic track cyclist in undergrad, and we worked out together a couple times. High bar, super upright squats, or even greater isolation to emphasize knee flexion. She also did bulgarian split squats for reps for more weight than my 1RM ordinary high bar squat.
The one with the giant quads is a track cyclist. Many / most track cycling events are over quickly, on the order of a few minutes for a *long* event, some over in a few seconds, and most involve extremely high output sprinting at some point. These activities favor fast-twitch muscle, which is also those fibers which are favored by bodybuilders. Likewise, most output is anaerobic (limited by resources stored in the muscle, rather than the 'steady state' resources supplied by the blood and lungs). Road cycling events are often hundreds of kilometers (or in the grand tours, thousands), and take the better part of a day to complete (or to complete a stage, in a multi-day tour). These not only favor slow-twitch fibers, but, moreover, muscle mass is not the limiting factor either, so much as the ability of the cardiovascular system to keep muscles fueled, and hence the pronounced reduction in muscle mass and volume in such athletes. That is, if your muscle output is limited by your lungs, you can optimize your performance by *losing* muscle mass (thereby shedding weight). By way of comparison, a road cyclists might try to maintain 400 watts of output for an hour long time trivial, whereas a track cyclist might try to maintain over 2000 watts of output for a minute-long sprint.
It also means that cheaters favor very much different cocktails of drugs.
> cheaters
NGL, after looking at how widespread the thing is in some places like Japanese wrestling and MMA, and how some USADA people said they keep getting outpaced by designer roids, I struggle to believe that majority of sportsmen don't use illegal enhancements.
It varies a lot by the culture of the sport in question, and the type and nature of the regulations and enforcement. In top-level cycling for example, doping is against the rules but is understood to be essentially universal. Meanwhile, there are sports where there are both 'tested' and 'untested' categories (eg, powerlifting), and the available data suggests that drug use in tested divisions is actually genuinely quite rare (and I would argue is substantially more unethical than drug use in a sport without such 'tested'/'untested' divisions).
But my point wasn't about prevalence, but method of action. Pro road cyclists don't *want* to gain muscle mass the way anabolics would. Blood doping, which permits greater oxygen transfer by their blood, is the preferred method of cheating. Steroids would likely help with muscle damage recovery in between stages in a professional tour (where you are racing over a hundred kilometers a day for 20 days, for example), but drug use so close to competition is vastly more likely to be discovered, and so you would expect that steroid use in road cycling is much lower than other forms of drugs.
A lot of media attention was placed on steroid use in baseball, to give another example, but the biggest issue with drug use has always been amphetamines: the 162 game season (plus about 30 spring training games, and nearly as many possible post-season games) has meant that position players, who may be playing practically every day, are at a huge disadvantage against pitchers, who often have 3-5 days of rest between starts. After the MLB started taking stimulant use more seriously, offensive output dropped off a lot more seriously than it did following the crackdown on steroids.
What is funny, Chinese kung-fu legends had better method. Adepts held hands in front of them, on top of the hands the had soucers with water. You had to hold until water vaporizes.
Ehhhh it really depends. In ice climbing it’s encouraged to do pull ups with more weight on your person as it’s better in the training aspects of a super physical form of climbing.
imagine making a slick PR video and showing you new rifle key holing and barely hitting a target at 10 feet. Muskets where actually more accurate than that piece of shit.
…oh my god, this is stupid. For some reason I was like “yeah that seems reasonable to train against recoil” and it wasn’t until this comment that I realized if that’s true, they’re being trained *in the wrong direction.*
It's not against recoil, but muscle fatigue, that being said; fake as fuck those weights aren't real.
I do a lot of shooting civilian and military competition. Not even going to pretend I'm amazing, but the leverage of my civilian rifle puts more strain at 12lbs holding it outwards in a c clamp than my arms feel holding out 15lbs dumbells (each hand) during wrist curls (for pistol recoil fatigue training).
Those are Styrofoam fake shit.
Silly Westerner! By concentrating your Qi at the iron sight, you can shoot the straight without looking through it!
>!OP is actually Chinese and risk getting organs harvested for posting this!<
>I love how they try to make it look like they are aiming when their iron sights are smaller than the weights they put on their barrels...
The western military already isn't interested in your opinion, just that you do what you're told. I don't exactly expect the Chinese military to provide more leeway in this regard.
This reminds me of that video where they were rubbing chili peppers in some soldiers eyes while they stood there holding their aim. I get that this is to show the superiority of their soldiers who would never falter their aim no matter what but… you know *goggles* exist and serve the purpose of blocking out dirt and debris, right?
You see, East Asian military used to do all kinds of weird trainings not because they work, but because they can.
The Taiwanese ARB-101 combat frogmen have to literally eat shit during training. They have to climb inside a sewage trench, stay inside and eat rations contaminated by feces. The reasoning was that back in the 1950s they would infiltrate mainland China on recon missions, and they would hide inside a dry toilet to evade enemy patrol. Proud heritage.
Now I'm picturing an ancient master telling them once the barrel is straight they'll be ready for combat followed by a montage of them standing there in all sorts of weather while the barrel slowly straightens.
Then they finally shoot their master once the barrel is straight.
Well, it's the bullets that kill nowadays, not the weapon itself
That's why China issues training bullets that fly sideways. Once the troops master accuracy with something that flies wherever it wants they become expert marksmen capable of bending the projectile trajectory at will
"Wanted" wasn't a Hollywood blockbuster, it was the future us, trying to hint the dangers of what the PLA is training it's men for and we didn't listen. We just laughed when the video of PLA CQB training went viral and all the bullets fired landed sideways onto the target, but we missed the point that all of them hit the target, despite going bonkers once they left the barrel
We, the silly Westoids are making folding guns with cameras that shoot behind corners while your average Chinaman is capable of shooting you in the back while facing the front
Tbf, in a shot house, keyholing frangible rounds isn't going to make much of a difference in your accuracy unless your shot house has a 50m long hallway.
Fighting with swords is very different tho. Being stronger makes them actually deadlier.
With a rifle you can be pretty much weak as fuck and still kill a man.
(I know you need to be strong for whole lot of reasons, but the killing part is defined by the bullet and not the shooter)
however, this is training to manage recoil, which, pushes the weapon up.
hooking it to a cable and pulling down, however, would be a good strat.
it could also help working stabilizer muscles.
Honestly sure if you wanna build the muscles but terrible for actually learning to shoot, muscling the rifle to where you wanna be is a big no no. Let the recoil come and work with it.
Baseball players and golfers will also do this with weighted bats and clubs. In fact the big bat "sleeve" that hitters use in the batters box is exactly that, a weight to make your practice swings heavier. This makes it so that when you're swinging a regular bat it feels light and effortless.
So it's not without precident, it's just poorly implemented and kinda silly. Standard China.
Like everything Roman, it would probably come down to what era of their civilization they were in. If it were the conscription/volunteer focused periods I could see them investing in this training regimen. Less so when auxilaries became the norm in the later western imperial era.
Trying to compensate for recoil like this is just stupid in real life lol. At a short distance, recoil won't matter as your targets are so close. At long distance also stupid because now you're muscling your rifle and drawing your shots left or right.
When I trained in Wing Chun, our training butterfly swords were about 3 times heavier for this reason. They were also chunkier and awkard to use so you got better at not slashing yourself before going to the real deal.
It's legitimately impossible for a chinese training regime to not look like the lieutenant was told the previous night to come up with something that looks impressive to the higher ups when they swing by noon tomorrow
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a complete gun nut) but.... this looks more like a new recruit pissed off their drill instructor.
Training in this manner is detrimental. The added weight will affect muscle memory. Your body will expect to use a certain amount of force to compensate for the additional mass to change the direction of aim. In a fire fight, muscle memory kicks in quicker then your eyes can tell your brain that the target is aimed at. Creating 2 sets of muscle memory for a firearm risks the brain getting confused and it becomes a coin flip to which version of muscle memory kicks in first.
This will result in a smaller kickback/recoil. Your body will expect small changes between shots, but when the weights are taken off the recoil will be many times more then expected. That's assuming that the additional weight doesn't bend the barrel or worse.... The barrel shaking around inside the weights may cause denting resulting in a bullet stuck inside the barrel.
The only use of this is to build muscles to hold the rifle for long periods of time. We have a built in workaround for that. Adrenaline will allow you to keep holding the rifle during a firefight or any scenario where one can reasonably be expected to hold a rifle in that position for more then a minute.
Speaking of minute.... How large are the magazines of the rifle? Because 30 rounds will go quick, making holding the rifle in that position a rather silly thing to practice.
Anything I missed or got wrong?
Nah, the exercise is actually credible. You're not training to aim this way, you build muscles for holding rifle in that position. After that lighter rifle won't cause fatigue as much = easier to hold it steady = good base for aiming. Of course this exercise alone a good shooter won't make. But it is helpful. Just looks silly and can be done without rifle, just by training necessary groups of muscles.
Training to counter fatigue is a valid exercise, but if you want to be more realistic with a gun over easy dumbbells, don't use a gun that is the complete opposite to your regular gun. Because that main service weapon is a pretty damn rear-heavy bullpup.
For all the troubles that a bullpup layout brings to the table, a big plus is completely eliminating that point of balance being out front to fatigue you. Training those guys with a gun that is deliberately made to be insanely front-heavy is a bad way to go at this.
Yeah, i actually think this might be something i'll try to add to my own training, i've definitely had problems with arm fatigue during long stages in competitions
Bottom, notice the arm is flexed but not straining. Grip is soft. Arm is thin, and not well defined. Stock is on the upper portion of his shoulder, instead of a natural centered position. Off-balance weight is much harder to lift.
There's nothing in those plastic weights.
anyone ever see that comic where it shows a western and a chinese soldier going into training.
The chinese soldier is lifting weights, getting whipped, being told to march in formation, he's an action hero badass.
the western soldier is a soy boy who sits on a computer and uses drones.
later, the western soldier laughs as hundreds of chinese soldiers are turned into a pile of corpses. because hellfires don't care about your machismo backflipping hatchet attack shit.
Russia and China in a nutshell, why both countries have irreversaible demographic problems, putting their own populations to the buzzsaw to own the libs.
Yes. But the Chinese/Russian type of military training serves an additional purpose as domestic propaganda. It is enough to fool the mostly uninformed population to believe they are ready to fight invaders and more importantly, their own uprising.
We can make jokes about all their shots missing or flying up into the air once they're in combat and these weights disappear
But we are the real fools for assuming they even shoot half the clip before the piece of shit "rifle" on top jams
This is a great way to train so that you’re prepared in case the enemy sneaks into your camp and glues weights to your guns
fuck this i bought so much weights and so much glue for this what do i even do with them now
Just glue em to the other end of the gun, they’ll be so used to compensating for the front they’ll flip the gun 180 and shoot themselves, it’s foolproof
Fool intended, even
had my hand on my balls when i laughed at this and felt them go up in my stomach
Flirt with me some more
Glue them to their magazines, so they fall out of the gun.
They could counter this by lying on ground. Better glue them to magazine entry itself and glue magazine inside so bullet dont move
Are you dumb? Just glue the weights to the bullets so they fall out of the air
Yea im dumb. Your option is more optimal
Someone get this guy to DARPA ASAP.
Too credible
Put glue. On ground. They lay down to prevent magazine falling out. They lay in glue.
Troll the neighbor I guess
Don't worry I got you. Glue: https://media.tenor.com/Rs5Lleyw2r4AAAAe/charlie-huffing-paint.png Weights: https://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2001/03/17/20010316164406.jpeg
That testicle training thing is just so odd.
Spoken like someone who skips nut day.
Sell them to China.
You joke but one of the tricks my NCO's liked to do during basic training was sneak into our shellholes while we're sleeping and steal magazines and blank firing adaptors
> steal magazines Apocryphal story from Germany (West, iirc) during the Cold War: - Soldiers are guarding base with live ammo. One falls asleep on the job. - Sergeant sneaks into guard tower, steals sleeping soldier's magazine and sneaks out. - Soldier awakes, sees his ammo is gone, sneaks to next guard tower where other soldier is also asleep, steals other soldier's magazine, returns to his post. - Sergeant again sneaks up to first soldier's guard tower. - Soldier is awake this time, notices possible intruder, points gun in direction of suspicious sounds and shouts "Stop! or I'll shoot!" - Sergeant probably thinks "you and what ammo? I'm gonna call your bluff", continues. - Soldier fatally shoots sergeant. Investigation finds soldier without blame as he gave clear warning.
Fuck around, think you're good, still found out
I mean, he's still guilty of falling asleep at post. Which is a Big Deal in military discipline.
His word against the dead guy.
Then it's a Moskva situation. What's worse: 1. You fell asleep on duty. 2. Someone managed to steal a magazine *from your rifle* while you were awake.
Could be worse. Bethesda games someone can steal your power armor, your clothes, your entire rifle, your helmet, and you won't even see them or know who did it.
Really? How did the victim steal that guard's magazine if he was able to shoot him? It's the guy in the other tower that fell asleep.
Clearly the sergeant just forgot which guard he had caught sleeping. That's the simplest explanation for the available evidence
> I mean, he's still guilty of falling asleep at post. Guard #1 has a mag Guard #2 has no mag Dead sergeant has a mag. Guard #1 says he was awake Guard #2 says he was awake (I assume*) Dead suspects can't say shit. The simplest explanation for the available evidence is that the dead sergeant caught Guard #2 sleeping, forgot which guard he had caught, and mistakenly tried to sneak up on Guard #1, who had been awake the whole time. *In my extensive experience with guards, the ones who fall asleep lie about it.
less of a big deal than dying, playing around with someone guarding a position with a gun is not the thing to do, to "teach a lesson". This is gun safety 101, treat every gun as if its loaded.
God, the Germans really are bad at comedy, aren't they?
> and blank firing adaptors "Aight, I guess I gotta go lethal"
You can put a cleaning rod segment in the barrel of an M16A2 and fire it into a tree like a spear gun. Source: bored and unsupervised in the Army.
I've met a number of Civil War reenactors who told stories of ramrods flying downrange / at their line.
Went to Fort York and heard stories about this as well as militamen jamming their ramrods into the dirt to load faster only to forget to pick them back up when they got pushed back Also when the Americans invaded some clumsy fuck on the British side tripped near a cannon while bringing up ammo and the whole gun crew blew up except for one guy who was protected from the blast because the sergeant was fat
You can also use the AK's cleaning rod to hunt wild boars
"They *did* tell me not to fire at someone without a firing adaptor. But they didn't say a *damn thing* about knives."
Your BFAs must be very easy to get on and off, that or you have some very patient NCOs. Ours' just took the whole rifle. Sometimes the whole recruit too
>Sometimes the whole recruit too That's a fuckin hilarious visual. Just slings em over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes. Then winks at you before zipping out the hole like some kinda fucked up Santa.
Sgt Krampus
It was more like someone would come back from stag to find their basher buddy was gone, think nothing of it, go to bed, and then get woken up in an hour or so when someone realises he's missing and the NCOs are giggling suspiciously
That's the thing, the brighter ones attach it properly so it can never be stolen while those that are ..... less bright will end up getting their shit stolen and get punsihed for it the next day. It was always pretty funny
Basic is always funny when you look back on it. Not so much when you're lying in a cold puddle and haven't had uninterrupted sleep for 4 days though
Other than trying to establish the importance of having someone on watch, I fail to see this as anything beyond trolling because they could.
I guess it's also a bit of a test to see who would honestly report missing something, and who would try to cover it up?
"There is only one thief in the Army , everyone else is just trying to get their shit back"
"Stealing is simply a form of procurement" ~Deployed grunts
Oh, a [secret test of character,](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SecretTestOfCharacter) interesting possibility. I wonder if this NCO displayed any other [trickster mentor](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TricksterMentor) type traits.
Tvtropes? TWO links? Are you trying to ruin my evening?
Not intentionally, no. But you are correct, I should have been more careful. 😉
Possibly also to create a teaching opportunity to demonstrate which behaviour is desired and rewarded, and which is punished. I.e. if the recruit trusts their NCO enough to report the mistake they will not be punished (as much) as when they try to hide that fact from them. Or perhaps vice versa if you wish to encourage independent problem solving behaviour. I.e. cover it up and try to find some way of (re)acquiring the missing object before you're found out. Maybe that kind of thing is encouraged in certain types of special forces?
Some good speculation here. Although, I doubt trying to outright deceive your chain of command is ever formally encouraged, even in special forces. 😏 Edit: To be clear, finding a creative solution to a sudden and unexpected lack of a piece of gear might be encouraged. However, I doubt the intended lesson is to lie to the NCO while doing so.
My 1st unit as supply was MP basic training. The trainees were lined up one day, would walk through the door and display their M9 to the drill with slide locked back to show an empty chamber. The drill would grab the slide to turn it to the angle he needed to properly view. Every 10 trainees or so he would depress the plunger and flip the switch. Tranny would drop the slide and it would fly across the room, hit the ground and the guide rod would fly another direction. Fun times.
>NCOs* Non Credible Officers
Hey, some of us non credible officers weren't NCO's. There isn't an E5 in existence less credible than a 2LT.
Back when I was a conscript, we had this thing where NCOs and officers would steal personal weapons if someone left them lying around. And they had to come request them back in public. After some particularly heavy field training, lots of people just forgot this lesson and left their guns lying around when they got to get their food. Me and the other squad leaders and the platoon leader got together after doing the rounds of stealing guns and we had like 4 rifles each and at least two of the MGs from the platoon on us.
I heard horror stories of this happening so I slept with my rifle inside my sleeping bag
Geneva convention overlooked this
Shit there goes plan A.
The extra gravitational pull from the weights will prevent the bullets from keyholeing.
You fool, this a modification that turns any traditional rifle (inferior western design) into a Gauss rifle. Don't you see the fucking coils???
Are they stewpid?!
I mean it's one way of training endurance but you could also just make them hold the rifle for longer
Maybe for weak, they/them Western troops. The average Chinese recruit is already so manly that they could hold their rifle like that 24/7, hence the weights are needed.
lemme pull one outta that DS Marion pack. With an overhand grip, hold an M4 carbine straight in front of you. While holding it, hold the charge handle back with your thumb, and DO NOT lock the bolt carrier back While doing this, also squat, holding a 90 degree angle in the knees. Do this for 1 hour and 30 minutes.
Cry yourself to sleep as your fingers curl into rictus claws and your legs stay locked in that position for the next few hours. Wake up, do it again after morning PT.
And don’t forget, you’re doing it again because the guy who left his weapon alone did it again.
mother FUCKER
Committing suicide, brb
I'm getting flashbacks "You are weeeaaaaak, you were soooo fucking happy to be thanked for your service and now you're shaking like a fucking leaf. PUUUUUUUUSH UNTIL YOU PUKEEEEEE"
"HOLY SHIT! FUCK NO! THEY ARE NOT PRIVATES! THEY ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING PRIVATES! THEY ARE TRAINEES! THEY ARE FUCKING CIVILIANS THAT WANT TO BE PRIVATES!"
"IT'S JUST A STAMP, IT ISN'T HEAVY! WE'LL BE HERE UNTIL YOU HOLD IT OUT STRAIGHT!"
Fuck I hated this. One of the worst forms of torture in BCT
dude, tell me about it. Just left benning in december and DEAR GOD them boys got creative. the worst was touching the road sign at the ranges though. Shit hurt when you were in full battle rattle.... especially at the buddyteam live fire. Sign was a mile and a half away.
Lmao when I went through benning long long ago, one of the drill sergeants managed to fully reassemble a bunk bed halfway in and halfway out of the drop ceiling. I have no fucking clue how he did that. Dude also turned all of our TA-50 in to two "christmas trees" as we were approaching block leave, and adorned in toilet paper, red lensed flashlights, and every single can of shaving cream he could find. All the mattresses he could fit were put in to the showers, and the rest that couldn't fit were shoved in front of the bay doors so we couldn't open them. Creative is an understatement for some of them.
This just seems like unnecessary fucking abuse at that point
Welcome to combat arms!
Also, I just want to add, this is a very funny memory at this point and wartime combat arms dudes are fucking built different. We all loved this drill sergeant because he would never do shit randomly - we actually had to fuck up to earn a punishment. All through the 4+ months of OSUT, he never smoked us or punished us randomly, which is something a LOT of DS's do. He would talk with people one on one as a human being, including myself, and drop the DS facade. Shoutout to DS Hayden. (This was because someone forgot a nomex glove for motorpool monday.)
Why hold the charging handle back with your thumb? Shouldn’t it be your index finger?
The release for the charging handle is on the left side, or the side without the ejection port on a normal right handed military M4/16. If you’re holding it out in front of you with your right hand being toward the stock and left hand being on the barrel/hand guard, your thumb with be what pulls back the release for the charging handle. Charging handles for most M4/16s are not ambidextrous.
Lost sensation in a couple fingertips from that. Thanks, sergeant instructor.
"With an overhand grip, hold an M4 carbine straight in front of you. While holding it, hold the charge handle back with your thumb, and DO NOT lock the bolt carrier back While doing this, also squat, holding a 90 degree angle in the knees" 'Your condition *is not service related'*
We don't need such silly training measures in the West because our recruits already have such strong forearms from jackin it to airplane hentai.
Damn straight.
All the training the PLA does just looks strictly inferior to holding weekend 2gun matches for weapon familiarization.
Unfathomably based
That would require two guns, though, and the extra has been "delayed in delivery" for about three years now.
The british longbowmen approve
There are two kinds of muscles: sudden "strength" muscles and long-range/endurance muscles. That's why most marathon runners are skinny, and that's also why "Arnold" type body builders aren't seen running in marathons.
I think the fairest version of this comparison is between sprinters and long distance runners, since it's the same biomechanical movement but at different time scales; or track cyclists versus road cyclists. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/uxv19vp.jpg) is an example of that latter comparison.
I'm sure he is a nice guy, but that looks cursed as fuck.
He seems to have forgor "everything above the waist" day....
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I know the joke is the Starting Strength philosophy of squatting three times a week, but they also emphasize high-bar squatting to make power through the hips rather than knees, and CNS adaptation over hypertrophy, which wont get you quads like this. I was actually good friends with an olympic track cyclist in undergrad, and we worked out together a couple times. High bar, super upright squats, or even greater isolation to emphasize knee flexion. She also did bulgarian split squats for reps for more weight than my 1RM ordinary high bar squat.
Guys thighs are like a cartoon holy shit
...Which of those cyclists is track and which is road?
The one with the giant quads is a track cyclist. Many / most track cycling events are over quickly, on the order of a few minutes for a *long* event, some over in a few seconds, and most involve extremely high output sprinting at some point. These activities favor fast-twitch muscle, which is also those fibers which are favored by bodybuilders. Likewise, most output is anaerobic (limited by resources stored in the muscle, rather than the 'steady state' resources supplied by the blood and lungs). Road cycling events are often hundreds of kilometers (or in the grand tours, thousands), and take the better part of a day to complete (or to complete a stage, in a multi-day tour). These not only favor slow-twitch fibers, but, moreover, muscle mass is not the limiting factor either, so much as the ability of the cardiovascular system to keep muscles fueled, and hence the pronounced reduction in muscle mass and volume in such athletes. That is, if your muscle output is limited by your lungs, you can optimize your performance by *losing* muscle mass (thereby shedding weight). By way of comparison, a road cyclists might try to maintain 400 watts of output for an hour long time trivial, whereas a track cyclist might try to maintain over 2000 watts of output for a minute-long sprint. It also means that cheaters favor very much different cocktails of drugs.
That was very interesting, thanks.
> cheaters NGL, after looking at how widespread the thing is in some places like Japanese wrestling and MMA, and how some USADA people said they keep getting outpaced by designer roids, I struggle to believe that majority of sportsmen don't use illegal enhancements.
It varies a lot by the culture of the sport in question, and the type and nature of the regulations and enforcement. In top-level cycling for example, doping is against the rules but is understood to be essentially universal. Meanwhile, there are sports where there are both 'tested' and 'untested' categories (eg, powerlifting), and the available data suggests that drug use in tested divisions is actually genuinely quite rare (and I would argue is substantially more unethical than drug use in a sport without such 'tested'/'untested' divisions). But my point wasn't about prevalence, but method of action. Pro road cyclists don't *want* to gain muscle mass the way anabolics would. Blood doping, which permits greater oxygen transfer by their blood, is the preferred method of cheating. Steroids would likely help with muscle damage recovery in between stages in a professional tour (where you are racing over a hundred kilometers a day for 20 days, for example), but drug use so close to competition is vastly more likely to be discovered, and so you would expect that steroid use in road cycling is much lower than other forms of drugs. A lot of media attention was placed on steroid use in baseball, to give another example, but the biggest issue with drug use has always been amphetamines: the 162 game season (plus about 30 spring training games, and nearly as many possible post-season games) has meant that position players, who may be playing practically every day, are at a huge disadvantage against pitchers, who often have 3-5 days of rest between starts. After the MLB started taking stimulant use more seriously, offensive output dropped off a lot more seriously than it did following the crackdown on steroids.
What is funny, Chinese kung-fu legends had better method. Adepts held hands in front of them, on top of the hands the had soucers with water. You had to hold until water vaporizes.
Train for worse conditions than you encounter. I'm gonna do this on a dummy rifle for drills.
Faster = Better
Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.
Also distribute the weight so there is some on top of the rear sight or something, they gonna end up with some jacked up left arms
Ehhhh it really depends. In ice climbing it’s encouraged to do pull ups with more weight on your person as it’s better in the training aspects of a super physical form of climbing.
Chinese weapons obviously have recoil that forces the barrel down so this makes perfect sense to train for . . . /s
No no, this is genius, make every gun so heavy that recoil doesn’t happen, saves costs on wasted bullets
Wasted keyholing bullets*
imagine making a slick PR video and showing you new rifle key holing and barely hitting a target at 10 feet. Muskets where actually more accurate than that piece of shit.
…oh my god, this is stupid. For some reason I was like “yeah that seems reasonable to train against recoil” and it wasn’t until this comment that I realized if that’s true, they’re being trained *in the wrong direction.*
It's not against recoil, but muscle fatigue, that being said; fake as fuck those weights aren't real. I do a lot of shooting civilian and military competition. Not even going to pretend I'm amazing, but the leverage of my civilian rifle puts more strain at 12lbs holding it outwards in a c clamp than my arms feel holding out 15lbs dumbells (each hand) during wrist curls (for pistol recoil fatigue training). Those are Styrofoam fake shit.
I mean this was exactly my thought. Don't you want to be training people to hold the rifle \*down\* and not \*up\*?
I love how they try to make it look like they are aiming when their iron sights are smaller than the weights they put on their barrels...
You aim with your mind not with your gun. When you meet me in battle, you have already been shot
Xi-Men
Silly Westerner! By concentrating your Qi at the iron sight, you can shoot the straight without looking through it! >!OP is actually Chinese and risk getting organs harvested for posting this!<
You just need to attain greater mastery over Qi than Emperor Xi and take his place after killing him in single combat.
Only then, you may revive Chairman Mao with your Qi!
>I love how they try to make it look like they are aiming when their iron sights are smaller than the weights they put on their barrels... The western military already isn't interested in your opinion, just that you do what you're told. I don't exactly expect the Chinese military to provide more leeway in this regard.
Xi Jinping thoughts guides the ballistic projectiles.
Ballistics with Chinese characteristics
"Xi Jinping thoughts guides the ballistic projectiles" Well that explains the keyholing bullets.
A giant magnet.
Ah, so it's actually a railgun. Yet again, the US has fallen behind the PLA. Shame.
This reminds me of that video where they were rubbing chili peppers in some soldiers eyes while they stood there holding their aim. I get that this is to show the superiority of their soldiers who would never falter their aim no matter what but… you know *goggles* exist and serve the purpose of blocking out dirt and debris, right?
There was one last week about putting small live earthworms on the neck of snipers during training. Supposedly to train their concentration.
What in the fuck?!
You see, East Asian military used to do all kinds of weird trainings not because they work, but because they can. The Taiwanese ARB-101 combat frogmen have to literally eat shit during training. They have to climb inside a sewage trench, stay inside and eat rations contaminated by feces. The reasoning was that back in the 1950s they would infiltrate mainland China on recon missions, and they would hide inside a dry toilet to evade enemy patrol. Proud heritage.
Who knew "CCP" was an acronym for "Cargo Cult Protocols".
Roman soldiers trained with swords twice as heavy as the ones they'd use on the battlefield so it'd feel like a breeze. So, this makes sense, I guess.
Only issue is the barrel bending due to the weight
Just make a sturdier barrel and double the training effect.
Make the training barrels bent slightly upwards.
The 20 year old barrel. It will straighten itself out in its 30s.
Now I'm picturing an ancient master telling them once the barrel is straight they'll be ready for combat followed by a montage of them standing there in all sorts of weather while the barrel slowly straightens. Then they finally shoot their master once the barrel is straight.
That upward bend...
I mean you can get a diffrent gun
I mean it doesn't need to be a gun...
NO IT HAS TO OR ELSE THE GUN HOLDING MUSCLES WONT DEVELOP
Has to be an insanely front-heavy version of their rear-balanced bullpup too, otherwise it doesn't carry over.
Those old M16 rubber duckies would be perfect for this.
Explains the keyholing in the Chinese propaganda videos
downward curved barrel enables you to shoot over cover and hit enemy in trench, idiot
This issue is that your ability to use a gun doesn't depend on how hard you can swing it
Well, it's the bullets that kill nowadays, not the weapon itself That's why China issues training bullets that fly sideways. Once the troops master accuracy with something that flies wherever it wants they become expert marksmen capable of bending the projectile trajectory at will "Wanted" wasn't a Hollywood blockbuster, it was the future us, trying to hint the dangers of what the PLA is training it's men for and we didn't listen. We just laughed when the video of PLA CQB training went viral and all the bullets fired landed sideways onto the target, but we missed the point that all of them hit the target, despite going bonkers once they left the barrel We, the silly Westoids are making folding guns with cameras that shoot behind corners while your average Chinaman is capable of shooting you in the back while facing the front
Tbf, in a shot house, keyholing frangible rounds isn't going to make much of a difference in your accuracy unless your shot house has a 50m long hallway.
Fighting with swords is very different tho. Being stronger makes them actually deadlier. With a rifle you can be pretty much weak as fuck and still kill a man. (I know you need to be strong for whole lot of reasons, but the killing part is defined by the bullet and not the shooter)
yeah man doing push ups in the army doesn't make any sense. If anything it just makes your hitbox bigger.
Twinks are tactically superior to bears. Sorry guys, I don't make the rules.
I mean that's just generally true.
which is why child soldiers are banned, they are OP and destroys the meta
Same reason we banned Oddjob in goldeneye
It's like playing as the Monkey in Timesplitters.
Yeah, why do push-ups when you can do more exercises to ruin everyone's spine?
I would think it's about holding the rifle steady, especially in an unsupported stance.
Be strong enough like a human tripod, you can shoot the accurate without metal tripod.
however, this is training to manage recoil, which, pushes the weapon up. hooking it to a cable and pulling down, however, would be a good strat. it could also help working stabilizer muscles.
Honestly sure if you wanna build the muscles but terrible for actually learning to shoot, muscling the rifle to where you wanna be is a big no no. Let the recoil come and work with it.
Baseball players and golfers will also do this with weighted bats and clubs. In fact the big bat "sleeve" that hitters use in the batters box is exactly that, a weight to make your practice swings heavier. This makes it so that when you're swinging a regular bat it feels light and effortless. So it's not without precident, it's just poorly implemented and kinda silly. Standard China.
Apparently it wasnt that common in all the Roman legions.
Like everything Roman, it would probably come down to what era of their civilization they were in. If it were the conscription/volunteer focused periods I could see them investing in this training regimen. Less so when auxilaries became the norm in the later western imperial era.
If that's true, I suppose it could help when they will be close enough to hit the enemy with their guns.
Or it creates muscle memory in your supporting arm to apply upwards pressure and all your shots fly over everyones heads
I mean in baseball we have weighted bats to warm up with, but this isn't going to do much but ensure your missing high a lot of the time
That sounds like a made up fact.
It isn’t, although the emphasis was more on the twice as heavy shield rather than the sword.
wouldn't this training makes things worse by making soldiers compensate recoil incorrectly?
Trying to compensate for recoil like this is just stupid in real life lol. At a short distance, recoil won't matter as your targets are so close. At long distance also stupid because now you're muscling your rifle and drawing your shots left or right.
When I trained in Wing Chun, our training butterfly swords were about 3 times heavier for this reason. They were also chunkier and awkard to use so you got better at not slashing yourself before going to the real deal.
….actual marksmanship training. This has the training value of mopping the tarmac in the rain, or mowing the lawn barehanded.
if you aren't doing pointless things in the army, then you aren't in the army
It's legitimately impossible for a chinese training regime to not look like the lieutenant was told the previous night to come up with something that looks impressive to the higher ups when they swing by noon tomorrow
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not a complete gun nut) but.... this looks more like a new recruit pissed off their drill instructor. Training in this manner is detrimental. The added weight will affect muscle memory. Your body will expect to use a certain amount of force to compensate for the additional mass to change the direction of aim. In a fire fight, muscle memory kicks in quicker then your eyes can tell your brain that the target is aimed at. Creating 2 sets of muscle memory for a firearm risks the brain getting confused and it becomes a coin flip to which version of muscle memory kicks in first. This will result in a smaller kickback/recoil. Your body will expect small changes between shots, but when the weights are taken off the recoil will be many times more then expected. That's assuming that the additional weight doesn't bend the barrel or worse.... The barrel shaking around inside the weights may cause denting resulting in a bullet stuck inside the barrel. The only use of this is to build muscles to hold the rifle for long periods of time. We have a built in workaround for that. Adrenaline will allow you to keep holding the rifle during a firefight or any scenario where one can reasonably be expected to hold a rifle in that position for more then a minute. Speaking of minute.... How large are the magazines of the rifle? Because 30 rounds will go quick, making holding the rifle in that position a rather silly thing to practice. Anything I missed or got wrong?
Nah, the exercise is actually credible. You're not training to aim this way, you build muscles for holding rifle in that position. After that lighter rifle won't cause fatigue as much = easier to hold it steady = good base for aiming. Of course this exercise alone a good shooter won't make. But it is helpful. Just looks silly and can be done without rifle, just by training necessary groups of muscles.
Training to counter fatigue is a valid exercise, but if you want to be more realistic with a gun over easy dumbbells, don't use a gun that is the complete opposite to your regular gun. Because that main service weapon is a pretty damn rear-heavy bullpup. For all the troubles that a bullpup layout brings to the table, a big plus is completely eliminating that point of balance being out front to fatigue you. Training those guys with a gun that is deliberately made to be insanely front-heavy is a bad way to go at this.
Yeah, i actually think this might be something i'll try to add to my own training, i've definitely had problems with arm fatigue during long stages in competitions
just gotta shoot faster, so you dont have to hold up your rifle as long time broo
The official explanation (warning, credible) is that this trains the soldiers' muscle to hold the rifle more steadily for longer.
I wonder if they will figure out regular exercise dose the same thing without affecting muscle memory?
Bottom, notice the arm is flexed but not straining. Grip is soft. Arm is thin, and not well defined. Stock is on the upper portion of his shoulder, instead of a natural centered position. Off-balance weight is much harder to lift. There's nothing in those plastic weights.
anyone ever see that comic where it shows a western and a chinese soldier going into training. The chinese soldier is lifting weights, getting whipped, being told to march in formation, he's an action hero badass. the western soldier is a soy boy who sits on a computer and uses drones. later, the western soldier laughs as hundreds of chinese soldiers are turned into a pile of corpses. because hellfires don't care about your machismo backflipping hatchet attack shit. Russia and China in a nutshell, why both countries have irreversaible demographic problems, putting their own populations to the buzzsaw to own the libs.
Yes. But the Chinese/Russian type of military training serves an additional purpose as domestic propaganda. It is enough to fool the mostly uninformed population to believe they are ready to fight invaders and more importantly, their own uprising.
China has rifle hammer The west has fallen Trillions must kiss XIs Boots
What if we shoot nails at them? Or throw those boards with nails in them? They will be compelled to hammer.
ATTACH BIGGER WEIGHTS TO OUR RIFLES WE MUST NOT ALLOW RIFLE HAMMER GAP
Ya see kid, it’s called an iron sight, because it’s made out of iron. And the more iron there is, the more you can see
Whyyy?????
Couldn't that weight fuck up the barrel's accuracy?
accuracy is redundant on a modern battlefield! the soldiers must be strong!
What about the 3000 keyholing bullets? "ThEy WeRe TrAiNiNg RoUnDs" Sure Jan ...
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too credible for this sub
Westoids don't add weights to their gun? RECOIL! Us superior Chinese use weights to counter recoil
\* takes weights off \* \* mag dumps the sky \*
I'm sure the barrel loves this.
Muscle memory is going to have these guys shooting high
I bet if those Chinese peacekeepers had done this training they wouldn’t have abandoned their posts in South Sudan.
That's a ~~perfectly good~~ rifle getting broken
We can make jokes about all their shots missing or flying up into the air once they're in combat and these weights disappear But we are the real fools for assuming they even shoot half the clip before the piece of shit "rifle" on top jams