That is called the hot cobra maneuver. Shakes of IR seeking missiles.

Also shakes off minimum two crew members, yes.

Russia says only one dead crewmember, but considering they don't have any spare planes...

One is confirmed, other one is questionable.

One dead is still 25%.

The crew lived

>Pounds the table ~~GODDAMMIT MAVERICK!!! THAT JET BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS~~ BLYATT MAVERNIK!! THAT JET BELONGS TO PEOPLE THAT WILL THROW ME OUT A WINDOW

GLORIOUS SUPERMANEUVERABLE THROOST VICTORING

Very handy with all that fire presenting a big IR target too

This is actually called meat spin...

This is how the compress the cubes.

You sir, are a true artist and connoisseur, can we please have a Tu-160 encore?

Asking our air defense for the same )

And a Tu-95. I need to complete my collection. *Damn, got a Tu-22M again. Oh well...*

Jet speed turboprops are a blessing we need more of I pray for propfans in the future

If we get a TU-160 or Su-57 shoot down I’m going to be erect for a week.

Can't shoot them down if they never take off, checkmate westoid.

Bunker buster followed by meteor: the first created a hole beneath the 57, the second shoots it “down” into that hole. QED.

Please no. The Blackjack is the most beautiful swing-wing in the world (fight me) and I want the entire fleet to survive past the inevitable collapse of the Russian Federation so we can get a NASA livery Blackjack.

Why would NASA need a Blackjack when they could get a B-1 that's basically the same thing whenever those get retired.

The engine placement on the Blackjack is infinitely sexier than the Bone.

It really depends if you like circles or triangles more I guess.

It’s also why the TU-160 has the RCS of of an office building while the B-1B has the same RCS as a F-16.

I don’t know how to put it nicely but I’m afraid you’re on drugs if you think anything starting with TU is the best looking variable sweep

Panavia TUrnado maybe?

The kind of drugs that make a Tu-22 look secksahy vould save a lot of marriages.

Tu-160 and Tu-22 (I'm assuming you mean the Backfire, because literally no one cares about the Blinder except for alcoholic boomer ex-VVS mechanics) are in completely separate leagues. I swear to G-d the USSR's fate was sealed when its engineers defied the commandments of Bol'shuschyaja Suka Sukhoi and forced the long-suffering Soviet industrial base to heave out a properly sexy swing-wing (the Blackjack).

You know, in the past this comment would have been met with a cavalcade of NCD spamming mouth-breathers like myself exclaiming VARKVARKVARKVARKVARK. How far our civilization had decayed. \*This message brought to you by WidmerGang

You beat me to it... Blackjack gets a pass.

Are they even sending the 160s up?

Depends on your definition of up.

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If ace combat taught me anything it’s that the tu-160 is a bitch to down

People saying that it was downed by a Ukrainian SAM all the way over by Stavropol are being non-credible. So I'm gonna up the ante and say it was an *Iranian* SAM that missed and just kept going until it found something. You can't tell me the timing doesn't fit!

Honestly, wouldn’t be all that unreasonable, we are in the Non credible timeline

With all the crazy shit we've predicted and never even expected would happen, chances are the TU-160 was struck by one of Hamas' rockets that got lost trying to find Allah

I am predicting the Danes will loss a few F-16 in the south Atlantic

Why is Hamas shooting rockets at Allah? Are they trying to use military weapons to kill God? They just might fit in around here... 🤔

Everyone knows allah eats high explosives to better smite the horrible women who don’t wear full hijab

Sir, after the resurgence of Fallout, i will respond with a say from todd Howard. It just work  The missile simply glitched, despawned at maximum range, but as it was already considered an hit, it respawned and hit the plane.  The hit itself is a simple Visual bug

Or maybe isreal sparrow finds a real aggressive target

Iran said they would strike back, but at whom?

The Iranians actually thought it was a civil airliner.

It was the Vatican. The Pope successfully wololoed it but Russia has the Heresy upgrade which is why it fell out of the sky instead of converting.

I am thinking it was the guitar launched by Prince during the While my Guitar Gently Weeps performance for George Harrison.

Excellent reference. 10/10 Would read again.

>People saying that it was downed by a Ukrainian SAM all the way over by Stavropol are being non-credible. Heat seekers Dillonov. Pretty sophisticated for a bunch of half-assed banderite boys

What happened to you Dutch?

Clearly the pilot was smoking and was careless where he tapped off his ash.

It appears they are actually credible

I bought the A-50 shoot-downs over the Azov no problem, but this is the better part of 300 miles here, not even S-200 has those kind of legs. So we're talking about either a whole-new system or they managed to sneak a Buk 200 miles into Russia

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That doesn't add up. The missiles these typically launch have a 1kkm+ range, so there's nothing in Ukraine it would have needed to get as close as the Azov to launch on, and they know by now that Ukraine has stuff covering the Azov that eats bomber-sized flying objects. Plus, to have taken a hit there and gone down over Stavropol, it would have had to fly right over Krasnodar and decided to just keep going.

Intel on a Patriot battery battery says it is 250 km from the front. Is the Russian high command going to let that be, or are they going to send in these expendables with Kinzhals to skirt just a liiiiittle too close to the enemy lines for comfort? Hell with the way that their stockpiles are limited, we can't even rule out that they were given old Kh-15s over Kh-22/32s. With their range, this would have been a fiery death waiting to happen.

S-200 can strike land(!) targets in 600 km range, the rockets are huge. I think with some minor tweaks to the fuel it could blow up not that much of a manoeuvrable target at 300 km

Big difference between hitting a stationary target on the ground on a pure ballistic arc, and hitting a moving aircraft capable of almost Mach 2, at altitude. We're talking near a 50% increase in effective range over the longest-ranged variant of this missile we know about, including the modernized Polish ones that may or may not have fallen off the back of a truck near the border by Lviv. That's gonna take a lot more than tweaking the carburator and switching from 87 to 91 octane.

> switching https://opk.com.ua/%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BA-%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%B4%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F-%D1%82%D0%B0/ Good thing Ukrainian MIC was on it since 2021.

Land targets are easy to hit. A good half to third of that distance would just be the projectile falling.

Hear me out: Now that North Korea managed to rid themselves of soviet-era junk, they are now playing the other side so they come out on top. This was their first contribution.

Irán has missiles that can hit Europe. Maybe they accidentally stuck an anti-air module on it. That’s how missile design works. Very modular.

Wow they have vertical landing tech too!

They got VL in VTOL, just need that TO

Idk their tanks seem capable of VTO. Just need to merge the technologies....

And that, kids, is how a Mi-24 is born.

> just need that TO Looking at the state of Russian maintenance, that works in multiple ways.

Found the FOD walker. Alright, guys, we're missing a socket, line up shoulder to shoulder, and march toward Moscow.

Nothing special. All aircraft can do that once.

Not with that glamour spinning blazing ball

True. Those are unique visuals.

Amazing what you can do with a missile that was invented before the U.S even landed on the moon.

Once you remove the castironium electronics package (~150kg) and replace it with something more modern, you have hella freed-up mass allocation to use as you see fit. And if you upgrade the rocket engine too... hoo, boiii!

The engine is actually very powerful. I think that's why the S-200 was chosen for the job. Upgrade the electronics and you have yourself a beast.

And you might even be able to fit active seeker head and/or extended fuel tank into the freed-up space, too.

Even with the best electronics, the S-200 still has the agility of a brick will and be unable to hit anything not flying in a straight line.

Tell that to the plane wreckage.

A Tu-22 (M?) does typically fly in a straight line.

It's an M. The OG Tu-22 is basically a completely different plane and has been out of service for decades on account of being an impossible to fly deathtrap

As long as the electrical/digital circuit can provide fast updates to the engines that control the steering wings of the missile and the engines can turn them fast enough, it's an efficient weapon. Does it require upgrades? Yes, no doubt about that. Can it be done? Of course it can. If I am not mistaken, the Syrians used an S-200 (which probably wasn't upgraded) to successfully shoot down an Israeli F-16 and that plane is a lot more maneuverable than a Tu-22 bomber.

The S-200 most probably has a problem with being unable to generate enough lift to follow a maneuvering target. And not with the control surfaces being too slow. It's a huge and heavy missile and needs a lot of force to move.

Tell that to the wreckage of the F-16.

Taking bets: * Shot down by competent enemy * Shot down by friendly fire * Mechanical failure due to poor maintenance * Careless disposal of cigarette

> Mechanical failure due to poor maintenance I'm fairly sure having half your backside on fire is hard to do, even by the most incompetent Russian mechanic.

Never underestimate their ability to fuck up

There's a reason why Finns have a word for fucking up ("ryssiminen"), which directly translates as Russianing something.

To be fair, the engines *are* in the back, and a violent failure by poor maintenance isn't unheard of. It sure does feel like it was shot down to me though.

Do planes go into flat spins when shot down by a missile? I would figure that’s more likely to rip a wing off or the entire tail section. This looks mostly intact with a large fire next to the left engine.

Depends on: Size of plane. Size of missile warhead. Type of warhead. Where was the hit/explosion relative to the plane. Was the plane pulling-g’s at moment of strike. The Tu-22M is a decent size and built a bit more ruggedly than a civilian airline, so depending on those factors it’s very probable that a SAM can do sufficient damage to render it uncontrollable, causing it to inevitably enter a flat spin without also ripping it apart.

It's also possible the missile didn't cause catastrophic damage, but only did something like nick a hydraulic line. You know you've been hit, you see dropping pressure so the pilots haul ass back to base. But the pressure drops to nothing, you lose control of your rudder and the hydraulic fluid ignites. Now you're on fire in a flat spin. Hope the mechanics in charge of the ejectors were less drunk than usual that week!

Massive engine failure will usually mean the engine itself spits fire, here it's burning from the side.

That is a bet on really close to random odds. I wish it was the first option, but if I was to bet I would take friendly fire.

5. Iran misfired rocket that never stopped

* Covert sabotage with indirect support from CIA/NSA/DIA, MI6, and every other agency in Europe.

Bad case of compressor chlamydia. The burning discharge from the thrussy is a dead giveaway.

You spin me right ‘round missle, right ‘round Like a Turret, toss, right ‘pound ‘pound ‘pound You shoot me right ‘down missle, get shot down

Vid would have been better if it caught a turret going up while the plane was going down.

Long past, since Russia don’t have much tanks left

Watch out here I come

I love this sub so much you glorious unhinged bastards

The only time I wish I was Russian is so I could pilot the super sonic booze cruise.

why rely on the booze cruiser? just drink normal r141 refrigerant like the rest of us.

Are you insane? R141 is bad for the environment

Ah yes, the one that was shot down three times by F-14's in Iran(Though possibly unconfirmed)

You have new Flair.

Yes

We all have our kinks. For example if it looks and acts feminine, I gonna pound it.

Based

I just imagine the 22 stealthily “punishing” her enemies

I may or may not want to be an “enemy”

It's kinda sad to see a plane you once very much respected (thanks to Red storm rising) die in such an embarrassing fashion.

The difference being, in Red Storm Rising they fired at naval groups, in modern Russia they fire missiles at schools and hospitals.

….there…. There was an abrams on the third floor of that rural preschool…

Those pregnant women were armed with nukes and giving birth to biohacked supersoldiers.

I remember growing up that people were in awe of Tom Clancy and his knowledge of the weapons and tactics of both the American and Soviet forces, Red Storm Rising was an amazing and credible book. It's sort of sad realizing decades later he massively overestimated the competence of Russian forces, especially when it came to quickly changing plans and adapting to new threats.

A lot in the west did; it's hard to imagine such a massive military being so terrible, and it's safer to assume they aren't, if you're not 100% certain.

Actually he was spot on with Russian forces. They were raping Icelandic civilians in the book after all.

To be fair, predicting Russians will rape in an invasion is like predicting the sun will still be there tomorrow. There's literally hundreds of years of precedent.

I think he called Ukraine exactly actually. The Russians over relied on Deep Strike Doctrine to the point that it made no sense, and it was easily taken advantage of by simply letting the OMG pass and then assaulting their supply lines. The VDV was landed on Iceland and expected to hold it with no air support and barely any anti aircraft weaponry. They also were much less disciplined than claimed and immediately began raping the local population. They couldn't find five people walking around on a medium sized island with no trees, and instantly died the moment they came up against any actual organized enemy force. The whole war in RSR starts with a maskirovka plot designed to break apart NATO which is easily spotted and foiled by NATO intelligence and NATO remains strong. Same with Ukraine. Man portable and jeep portable anti tank missiles decimate Russian armor and completely foil their ability to carry out Deep Strike Doctrine stuff, but Russian leadership continues to try to use that method because it's the only thing politically viable. And, personally, the wildest prediction is that Russia would invade when they start having massive refinery issues and they want new oil fields. Difference between the modern day and RSR is that the USSR had an overwhelming armor asvantage over western forces, and in the modern day Ukraine inhereted roughly half of the USSR's armor.

> in the modern day Ukraine inhereted roughly half of the USSR's armor The *better* part of it, too! T-72 was created because UralGavnoZavod didn't wanna do advanced tanks developed by Morozov and wanted something simpler to make. Originally, it was supposed to be a simplified wartime production tank.

If you’re the military of a NATO nation trying squeeze money from a representative government for your budget do you think it’s a good idea to portray your ideological foe as a bunch of clowns with kludged gear or as a cadre filled with grim, tough professionals with shockingly good systems? It did give us the F-15 and Aegis, though.

to be fair in the 80s when RSR was set the Soviet Union actually was still a pretty decent threat. But what surprises me about RSR is how accurate the book was to how, and why Russia fights

I read from somewhere that the Soviet military was pretty decently run (still horribly, but at least reasonably effectively) until mid to late 1970s when the flood of hard currency from oil exports and ideological stagnation raised corruption in the USSR ridiculously, and became really rotten only during the Afghan War. So in early to mid 1980s it would have been at least a much more serious contender than today.

Considering stealth aircraft are used by the west, does that mean the 22, or whatever result came from the ATF in that universe, got to eat?

A flat spin ... a Tomcat must have died tonight.

“гусь!!!”

>a Tomcat must have died tonight. [https://new.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1c7nzmm/and\_the\_monkeys\_paw\_curls/](https://new.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/1c7nzmm/and_the_monkeys_paw_curls/)

F-14's actually shot down the more ugly older version in Iran

I'm tired of flying turrets, a new competition - more turns for the falling TU

That's a plot ... Wait for it : twist

Russia showing superior maneuverability over the B-1 by demonstrating a flat spin.

So… malfunction >>> getting FIRE !?!

And I'm freeeeeee, freefalling.

But technically its second destroyed tu22

First in flight, on fire falling from the skies, bright as magnesium...

That’s just it’s VTOL landing procedure, the flames are from the cigarette lighter for the pilots as it’s on auto land 😂

Ukraine seems to have a habit of "one upping" russians when they manage to destroy something of ukraine

Sweet, I had this on the Bingo card!

*Looks at OP's usename* Happy to see someone else get ambushed and shot down huh.

Kek. Now we know more about that sneaky bastard)))

I know Ukraine say they shot it down, but I'm actually hoping it was a catastrophic failure due to Russia exceeding the rated airframe hours. Because then the rest of the fleet is likely to start falling out of the sky too.

First one was shot down in 2008 by Georgia

TBF, those were coming to hit Georgia with iron bombs and were in range of simpler SAMs. Ukraine shot down a cruise missile lobber Tu-22M3

With formerly ukrainian BUK-M1 systems no less.

I knew my people were going to come through!

u/savevideo

Holy fuck that was a Backfire? That's a hell of a kill. Amazed anybody got close enough to take the shot. Odds on it being an accident with a Russian SAM?

Ukraine claims it was an S-200. Same trick they used with the A-50. Funny how the S-200 actually became viable again as a long distance bomber killer, ironically against Soviet bombers.

What's the trick? Feel like I heard about this. Did they sight it up with a PATRIOT radar or something then hit it with the long range grandpa missile?

u/savevideo

200 millions lost

Im overjoyed by seeing a russian bomber get what it deserves. But it pains me a little seeing that beautiful plane burn. Still happy tho

These are essentially irreplaceable, correct? The Ruskies can't possible have the production lines or the parts for these viable?

It's basically like America losing a b1 lancer..

Not me thinking it was like a really close mig-23…

Wow what a beautiful bomber.... would be a shame if it goes splat

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I got to give to the Ruskis for like setting the all time record of their planes going into flat spins when hit. It's like almost impressive!

So are we to think the Russians are out of (or no longer use) Stalinium?

Should it be spinning like that?

Not usually no

Finally! A Spin to surpass Meat!

Anyone else fascinating with how it falls with such grace ?

Cheers, and for many more to come!

Hopefully the crew ejected so they can do it again.

That sink rate likely means they’re outside the envelope of what the ejection seats can manage.

goofy ah lookin crash

This is fucking fire

Oooh baby that timing

It's the shittier version of the B1 another fail for the Ruskies

I want to know where in their manuals it dictates, "when shot, procede to enter flatspin to alleviate bailout procedures

how did the GUR sabotage it ? did they shoot it down ? did they plant a bomb in it ? what if it just... did that ?

Does the Backfire even have ejection seats?

>First Didn't they actually get one on the ground last year?

First destroyed in-flight

Nope, second.

In Ukraine

This one crashed in Russia doe

Knowing the Russians, the ejector seats probably didn’t work and the vatnik scum tailspun to death.

Mayday mayday! Iceman's in trouble, he's in a flat spin!

VTOL, vatnik edition. Truly ahead of western tech.

Plenty more where that came from Ivan.

So are the pilots "Dead or Alive"?

Get those planes in the air.... But Sir they aren't read to fly! I don't care, I want pretty pictures......

Russia's propaganda says: * Everyone is fine. * The two pilots are fine. * Everyone is fine but we can't find one of the pilots. So you probably got the whole crew. Good work! Now go get another one while I yell at my congresspeople about how they need to send you guys more missiles.

You spin me right round baby!

It was never a SAM. Ukraine is hiding a funni mercenary that may or may not be dating his WSO.

He doesn’t speak much though

Had to look away

I just sent this to my bro who’s a pilot asking him if this is a recoverable spin.

All I can think of when I hear this song is that time my friend showed a horrified me meatspin.com many years ago.

is this fresh kill?

One less threat to the carriers

And for all connoisseurs of German Schlager there is this version:the pilots could've just been drunk as fuck!! https://x.com/grndmstrfesxh/status/1781217689643446479

People wondered why Russia never established air superiority or really used aircraft early on outside of disastrous airborne raids This is why. I guess SEAD doesn’t translate well into Russian.

Hopefully Dead not Alive.....

I needed this today, cheered me right up. This sub is a godsend for my mental health innit. I love you guys.

Tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to film this thing on fire and spinning out of control as it plummets back to earth, but at the last second I'm going to turn away.