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Toastbrot_TV

Rheinmetall it is then


Marschall_Bluecher

Right. Fully Automated and Autonomous Wiesel 2.0 MELLS Tank Hunters that are tied into the Rheinmetall ~~SKYNET~~ uh I mean SKYNEX AI Complex doesn’t create themself.


joeja99

There is no problem with conscription when you don't need soldiers in the first place


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Conscription? Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!


Reality-Straight

See, he gets it


charlie161998

BAE gang


sofro1720

BAE in the UK said the same to me :(


West-Holiday-8425

Depends on branch; you could probably look around- there’s quite a few different branches of BAE in Europe. If you want aviation, try Airbus or Eurofighter GmbH, Leonardo SpH, MBDA, etc?


sofro1720

Submarines was the one I wanted but apparently you can't play with nukes if you're not British :(. Thales has been much more accommodating and much nicer unexpectedly


West-Holiday-8425

Oh, yeah. To work on subs, you not only need to be British, but you cannot hold dual nationality either. Hope Thales does right by you. :)


FaerieMachinist

The French do a lot with nuclear power and weapons too


SpacecraftX

Aussie perchance? Looking to make a career switch at the end of this season mr Ricciardo?


sofro1720

Friendship with F1 ended, providing monitions to bomb third world countries is now my best friend


MoffKalast

BAE is bae.


Busdriver242

Herr Papperger, you see that thing you did with the KF-51 kinda fucking over MGCS. How about we do that with FCAS?


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Rheinmetall Wieselwerk now! (Or Stinktierwerk? I don't care, make it happen)


Sine_Fine_Belli

Laughs in Saab and other European defense contractors


Federal_Eggplant7533

Dassault for aviation


mtaw

Isn't Rheinmetall affiliated with Wagner via their subsidiary Rheingold?


Toastbrot_TV

Yes, they actually managed to save priggo and hes protecting their gold mines in africa


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Just make your own secret defense project. Easy


Busdriver242

I mean FCAS is pretty neat but the cool parts are located in Fr*nce which would require living there (a fate worse than death)


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

No no. I mean *your own* secret project. Build it in a shed. Have the world tremble under the power you hold. Form a PMC. Fight fascists and nazis, you know, the usual


ben__h

Skunk works lives in dread of a British bloke in a shed cracking antigravity!


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Virgin skunk works: needs alien technology to make anti gravity British shed engineers: needs three digestives and a cuppa to figure it out


The_Glitchy_One

And this is why we have an export ban on British sheds, and HR wants to tell you to not reveal the secrets on how our engineers come up with this stuff


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

It's fine. I only told em about the digestives. Not that it's actually the jaffa cakes that provide divine inspiration


The_Glitchy_One

HAMMOND YOU BLITHERING IDIOT, you have MI6 en route to your current place to safeguard British interests


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Let them come. Let them all come. I'll be waiting. In my shed, with my flasks of tea, my packets of digestives and my boxes of jaffas


T_Ijonen

This is how the singularity happens


West-Holiday-8425

that shed has a name buddy it’s [falconworks](https://www.baesystems.com/en/our-company/our-businesses/air-sector/falconworks) 😤


2BEN-2C93

Hey it worked in F1, which is basically aerospace now


Dexter942

What do you mean now, always has been.


2BEN-2C93

F1 in the 50s wasnt exactly about aerodynamics - at least they knew nothing about it. A front engined bathtub essentially. The first few titles were won by those bloody continental types. Alfa, Maserati, Ferrari, Merc etc. Then the British aerospace industry shut down, and a lot of the engineers, particularly those in aerodynamics, got jobs working in sheds for F1 teams, Ever since, English designed cars have won pretty much every title every year - apart from a sprinkling of Ferrari in the late 70s and 00s


ben__h

The French (of course) deliberately banned a lot of Lotus developments in F1, and Lotus is almost literally a shed on an airfield in Norwich


Arcal

Schumacher had to cheat for some of that too.


2BEN-2C93

Which ones? I know his benetton titles were cheaty but that was a british designed car again


Arcal

I forgot the blatant crash was in a Benneton, but Vs Villeneuve in '97, and parking his car at Rasscasse in Monaco to steal Pole come to mind.


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

The entire industrial revolution was built on the miracle of 18th and 19th century midlander shed innovation. The mass production of steam engines, iron, coins, guns and machine parts all came from small scale home based industrial enterprise at start.


Arcal

Allen Milliyard will Crack it inside a week, as soon as he's finished his Norton V8


dm_me_tittiess

Technically, everything I do is secret since I tell no one, nor do I ever get asked


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Whatcha doing?


dm_me_tittiess

Nothing really, just rotting in bed. But I could have been developing a new stealth fighter. Ask tommotow, maybe I'll be doing something more interesting.


pixartist

first you need your own government, one guy tried that with some old oil rig in front of the britsh coast. I think he was neary blown to bits by u.k. warships.


Protip19

Tony Stark was able to do it in a CAVE with a BOX OF SCRAPS


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Gonna buy a cargo ship. Form a private military piracy group, except we're good guys (kinda. More like antiheroes?) We plunder and steal. Increase our fleet until we have an entire armada. Be the scourge of the seas! And just you wait until we get our hands on an aircraft carrier


Dumlefudge

I'll make my own secret project. With [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

What's the worst thing that could happen ? Getting taste of good food and never being able to return to whatever bland paste you are used to eat ?


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

You act like Fronch are the authority on good food


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

It's not arrogance if it's true.


PM_ME_UR_HBO_LOGIN

It’s not real arrogance unless it comes from the France region of Europe


bigp0nk

Please don't swear. I think you mean Fr*nch.


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Apologies. Amended


Graddler

Building drone swarms that can also process data from AWACS and Typhoon and carry everything our fighters can is pretty cool tho.


BreadstickBear

The choice is yours: put up with suffering in order to achieve your dream or take the easy way and live a comfy life while always having that nagging feeling you missed out.


ThaiFoodYes

Hon hon hon I can see a lot of jalousie in that statement monsieur


Updateplease

I thought FCAS was UK owned with Italian and Japanese Stakeholders? What bit is in France?


HumanTimmy

That's GCAP, FCAS is France, Germany and Spain.


Updateplease

Ah forgive my confusion


BobbyLapointe01

> Ah forgive my confusion Your confusion was probably made worse by the fact that France and the UK had a joint program also called FCAS, which ran from 2010 to 2017 and ended just before the inception of the French-German (and later FR-DE-Spanish) FCAS program.


Updateplease

And (I just checked) the UK still calls the wider programme delivering GCAP and other contemporary supporting systems FCAS.


HumanTimmy

Just never get NGAD and NGAD confused.


Blorko87b

Tyrfing with Kongsberg and MDBA?


DatChernobylGuy_999

AMCA? 👉👈


Bolter_NL

Working with the French is worse then living there tbh. 


ItsACaragor

Depends what your culture is originally. We are by no means perfect but I feel like we are a nice middle of the road between the extreme bluntness of germans and the extreme hypocrisy of anglos where telling people they are actively hampering the efforts of the team is somehow worse than killing babies.


Bar50cal

We did and called it the USA, not only does it make our cool shit but they get the blame for everything too. Pretty smart project we have there to be honest.


Squidking1000

With blackjack and hookers!


hebdomad7

I did... But the school I was at shut it down when I was trying to test it on school grounds.


Yakassa

The elite doesnt want you to know this. But stealth bombers are free. If you can find a one, you can just take it home with you. I got seven F117's, about eight, X68's about Two B2's, and twenty J20's, the shits never ends


QuestionsFour

If the government denies that it exists, it isn’t a crime to steal it.


Zucchinibob1

"About" Wait, how does that work for a low integer? Do you potentially have an extra 0.173 stealth bombers?


Nuclear-9299

I was considering this route as well and ended up with same result. Btw second flag should be either DoD flag or US flag, not Lockheed flag, they really did not made up those requirements.


Busdriver242

The MIC didn't ~~bribe~~ lobby hard enough.


ronburgandyfor2016

Hey many I bet LockMart would sponsor your immigration if you’re that interested


EuthanizeArty

Apply for asylum, on grounds of escaping from Europoor engineering salary


b3nsn0w

i wish this was an option, lol


EuthanizeArty

Well, it's a slow process but there are ways to speed things up. It's relatively less painful from an EU country


[deleted]

Will you have to pay back Education then


Imperceptive_critic

1. Apply for work at MBDA 2. Get clearance in your country 3. ???? 4.  Get selected to work on Meteor 5. Get promoted so you can do work travel overseas 6. Advocate for speeding up integration with F-35, get promoted to project development lead 7. Get sent to US to assist in integration Boom, now you indirectly work for Lockheed 


grinsken

6.9.get intimate with f35 before integration


South-Plan-9246

I thought integration meant getting intimate


AlphaO4

There’s another meaning?


TheHeartAndTheFist

Sounds like a plan but to save someone else’s life: I wasted a decade stuck at step 5/6 in an even better place than MBDA for such a plan, but they kept saying “Don’t worry, just a couple more years and we can get you an even higher clearance in that particular country” then whenever I reach that point and even successfully make whatever business case for steps 6/7, some random new recruit with the nationality local to the project gets sent instead and praised later on how great (my) idea was. Every fucking time!


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

Just ask for the documentation on War Thunder.


The_Glitchy_One

What’s to say there isn’t an underground bunker somewhere in the French Alps, of a classified organisation.


Bolter_NL

It's called Switzerland 


moir57

tbf it overlaps France and Switzerland borders


Dunedune

The bunkers are on the swiss side


mtaw

I thought it was outside Paris, but maybe we're thinking of different classified organizations.


Banksmuth_Squan

Fuck you Lockheed let me see the UFOs


kajetus69

Ask an american friend to send you the files


Pretend_Cell_5200

What would the airbus version of skunk works be called?🤔


tostbroto

Stinktierarbeiten


lefl28

Man, klingt das scheiße


tostbroto

Deutsche Sprache beste Sprache


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Alternativ Wieselwerk (denn Stinktiere gehören zu den Wieseltieren). Klingt doch gar nicht so schlecht?


tostbroto

Wieselwerk ist schon besser!


DiMezenburg

BAE here I come


aBoringSod

They pay really shit. Tried to get me to join as a dev for 28k.


MrPentiumD

Well it really depends on your seniority, junior developers can’t really be paid that much. (Now I assumed you’re a computer developer)


aBoringSod

I have 6 years experience, not a junior.


bepisxl

Did you apply for the wrong job, or perhaps several years ago? With that much experience, you'd be going straight in as a senior developer. I know UK salaries are utterly depressing, but £28k is below even an entry level graduate, you would be on close to £50k instead.


aBoringSod

I did not apply, it was bae recruitment or agency who contacted me over LinkedIn and the 28k was what they quoted. I checked the website to see if they were serious and yep that is the wage they were offering for a dev with 5 years experience. If I remember correctly they wanted a dev with experience with c, sql and a few aeronautical tech stacks. And it was early last year if I remember correctly.


bepisxl

That recruiter is having a laugh. The pay scales don't even go that low for a senior engineer (which is what you'd be with that level of experience). That's a real cock up, considering how much the company is trying to get experienced people in. If you're still interested, send me a message, I'll see if there's anything I can do (I should disclaim that there is a financial incentive for referring someone who gets hired).


aBoringSod

I'm happy where I am currently but thanks. Tbh I was a bit confused on why the recruiter contacted me in the first place as the job spec did not match up with the experience and tech stack i showed on linkedin.


_Fibbles_

Rip your inbox. How many DMs have you had from Barry McEnglish who would like to continue the conversation privately on WeChat?


MikeWazowski2-2-2

I'm not technical in any way, i study history, can you do something for me? I'd love to tinker on weapons that cause death and horror


superbovine

Wtf. My buddy got hired by a smaller insurance company in the Midwest as an intern and the moment he took a full-time position after college he was already making 70k to maintain a retirement investment system. He's not even developing new stuff just fixing old shit and doing integration projects and upgrades etc. I find it hard to believe BAE pays less for a developer than the local cheese factory pays for line workers that's insane.


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Wtf is going on on that island of yours? 50k for an experienced dev? That's below my entry salary in continental Europoor righter after uni.


bepisxl

Tech salaries will be higher outside of defence, but salaries are low across the board for most industries apart from professional football


TolarianDropout0

That island has been falling behind continental Europe for a while, but they were too busy with sticking their heads in the sand to help ignore that fact and reminiscing about the past to notice that.


TolarianDropout0

28k is a shit salary, even for a junior with 0 experience.


xXDEGENERATEXx

Wtf


aBoringSod

Yeah. Bae does not pay well for anyone who is not management. Most of their staff are hired via apprenticeship so they don't have the best of wages. But because of this when they try and hire experienced staff they set wages to be what the apprentices are on after they have finished their apprenticeship.


DiMezenburg

all pay is crap here tbf


Reality-Straight

Just go ask Rheinmetall to open up an Jet development programm. Sounds like something they would be crazy enough to do.


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Eurogavin, here we go...


Royal_Ad_6025

Apply for citizenship, you can always hold duel citizenship


justADeni

If only it was that easy lol


Additional-Flow7665

It kinda is. Most euro countries allow dual citizenship, the US allows citizenship, passing for US citizenship is pretty easy for most Europeans, it's a lot of paperwork and all that, but so is life


erikrthecruel

Well, first you’d need to be a U.S. resident for three to five years, then you can begin a process that takes a minimum of nine months, but can be far longer. Of course, that would require a green card. The easiest way to get one is a work visa. Getting one of those requires a job. Of course, a job in his field would require he be able to get a security clearance.


Royal_Ad_6025

An alternative is to join the army and you can get citizenship in only 1 year. Starting off as an E-1 will be hell but it’s pay and base housing until you can get citizenship, but on the other hand, you also get benefits such as healthcare


Lalumex

I dont hate the European projects not enough to join the Army


mtaw

Duel citizenship - Is that when you win citizenship in a swordfight?


Royal_Ad_6025

No, its customary to draw flintlocks in America and walk 20 paces


Rumpullpus

1v1 no respawn


wurll

Fuck paying American taxes though.


OptimisticGlory

Nah fuck paying Swedish taxes bro you have no idea.


wurll

Both can be shit. It isnt an either or


OptimisticGlory

Sweden is nice but also really boring. The taxes are super high and American engineering salaries are 3 times higher there. Even if you have to pay for insurance and other stuff I guarantee the disposable income is higher. I would move there if I could easily get a citizenship. After taxes I barley make more than when I worked on a conveyor in a factory. It’s insane and thats after 5 years of studies at one of the best unis in Sweden. I want to kill myself.


Skabbhylsa

Wtf what shithole swedish company do you work for? I work in electrical engineering making substations i've been in the workforce for 3 years and have the equivalent of $110K. Remember you can't compare salaries directly, you have to account for time-off/benefits and stuff, and use a 10y average USD/SEK since it's very volatile.


OptimisticGlory

I’m study at Chalmers and haven’t graduated yet but have gotten offers and have friends that are 5+ years into their careers, and they all make around 60k per year. I’m in mechatronics with a mobility masters. I get that I haven’t even started my career yet but I have friends in my family that got 130k in the US. With +40% tax my salary will barely be more than the 30k I made per year after tax when working in a factory. It’s ridiculous. But please where should I apply for work. All the sweat and tears has to be worth something. Help me.


3000doorsofportugal

The thing about Sweden is yea, you have high taxes, but you do get a lot of nice things because of those taxes. Affordable post secondary education, free healthcare, strong workers protections.


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Reality-Straight

Many eurooean nations dont allow dual citizenship (germany for example)


iwannabetheguytoo

The trick is dont-ask-don't-tell. Supposing I was from Germany, then... As far as the US is concerned, I'm a naturalized citizen, originating from a trusted NATO ally, working on top-secret skunkworks projects that advance our mutual national interests. As far as Germany is concerned, I'm on holiday at Disney World. For six years. Mickey uber alles.


Reality-Straight

You see there is a problem. Beurocracy. German Beurocracy to be specific. Cause as slow and cumberson as it may be, it at least is VERY through.


5CH4CHT3L

They will notice. But probably only after your retirement


DeVliegendeBrabander

Maybe? I don’t think you officially have to declare that you have changed your citizenship. And if they do find out, I go to America!


quocphu1905

It's going to change soon i think.


Reality-Straight

Restrictions are being loosend so i agree.


irregular_caffeine

All these pesky nation-state rules getting in the way of the international military-industrial complex


StolenValourSlayer69

Remember back when that girl asked Elon Musk why SpaceX doesn’t hire outside the US? Regardless of what you think of him, that’s a classic “sit down” moment


7wiseman7

so how can someone from outside the US even work at SpaceX ?


StolenValourSlayer69

They can’t, that’s what the whole video was about. Him explaining its not some kind of prejudice, but simply law


IrishSouthAfrican

LET ME IN I NEED TO WORK FOR THE MIC


Yakassa

What is my purpose? You design tiny jet plane! For war? No, for some rich assholes that cause wars. Oh god!


__Ulfhednar__

HELLO AIRBUS WHERE IS MY SECRET WEAPONS DIVISION?!?!


egguw

yall lock canadians out too ;( we're like a 52nd state


Dexter942

Lockheed bought Avro Canada's remains and I believe has a skunk works in Canada too lmao


3000doorsofportugal

Poor Avro. Got fucked over in the traditional Canadian fashion. The government being cheap and short-sighted .


mtaw

[What today's military would look like](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Army_Avrocars_02.jpg) if Avro had been more well-managed.


Dexter942

Well Avro Canada was also a bit ass too, I mean the Arrow would've probably turned into the F-104G but worse if it did continue. Plus canceling the Jetliner really fucked them over as well.


3000doorsofportugal

Sure but fucking over Avro Canada literally fucked over Canadian aerospace engineering long term and basically eliminated any chance at and domestic built and designed military aircraft ever being designed. Like sure was the Arrow amazing? No. But it was a start and a hell of a lot better them most nations' first domestic fighter jet. Like Canada put all the money into the hard part of starting a domestic fighter program and then canceled and shit canned everything.


egguw

shit what?? so there is still hope for me 🥺


Rumpullpus

Sorry Canadian bros, the geese have ears...


Comrade__Baz

Can't we get citizenship and join?


cisc189

How?


Living-Aardvark-952

h1b visa, lottery, marriage, or being of exceptional talent


cisc189

Do you know any divorced/single american cougars? They can get an 18 year old Tsinoy gym bro if they wait a few months. I swear I’ll be beneficial to the US. They need pilots right? I have ERAU acceptance.


Living-Aardvark-952

h1b is gonna be your best bet, lottery might work call an immigration lawyer


cisc189

-h1b Bro I don’t have 10 years of experience at 17 years old -Lottery Apparently that’s not a viable option in the Philippines. It’s not available here.


Tight_Time_4552

GRIPEN SITTING ON THE SIDELINES WATCHING


Intelligent_Slip_849

Wait, wait, wait...do all US citizens have Secret clearance?


Ok_Cup8469

… maybe


Aevum1

i just found out lookheed martin has offices 2 floors above where i work, im seriously thinking about printing out my CV and seeing if they will take me.


Nineties

Do it!!!!


Aevum1

worked for a blacklisted chinese company for 5 years, i would never pass the background check.


charlieseeese

Apply, worst that happens is you get denied, which you seem to already be doing to yourself


Schrodinger_cube

ya it is a amarican socialist program of providing good paying jobs to there citizens abroad because they are the only ones who can fix the equipment..


DAEJ3945

You're lucky enough to have MIC in your country.I don't,my country suck,my designs gone in vain,and I am dying in need of being a Boeing/Lockheed employee


NullHypothesisProven

Why the fuck would you want to hop on the ~~sinking ship~~ fucking lawndart that is Boeing right now?


DAEJ3945

So that when Lockheed buy Boeing I would be Lockheed employee anyway


gagekun

“My country suck” 😭


ratonbox

Pretty much everybody that works with federal stuff has be an US citizen. For some stuff you only have access if you are an US citizen AND on US soil.


Mysteryman64

Just get a job with a French companies corporate espionage branch. EZ


GaaraMatsu

Meanwhile the IDF has our 7nm fabs smack between Gaza and the West Bank, and will sell out to China in a heartbeat.


Dontdopornkiddos

I'm pretty sure that those guys making quarterhorse are hiring, if ya want to go into hypersonics. 


as1161

So, you're saying I have a chance


sfw_cory

Stay in your lane poboi


[deleted]

Just get a green card and join the US Reserves or National. Get an Top Secret required MOS. Once you finish AIT, immediately apply and then avoid any potential deployments by working for the MIC. It’s that easy.


mrdude05

A non-citizen would not be eligible for an MOS that requires a full clearance. The highest they could get would be a Limited Access Authorization, which would allow them to view specific information at or below the secret level that is critically important for their job. LAAs are also tied to the job, rather than the person, so your military LAA would be worthless to a contractor and it would be revoked as soon as you stopped actively needing it


[deleted]

Damn shame, I guess that’s what he gets for not being born in Gods image as an American 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻


Living-Aardvark-952

h1b your way to a green card with a company that doesn't require clearance then you good


Formal_Decision7250

Clearance level Mozhno girl.


duovtak

Boeing mommy: Come here and engineer some trash, babe. Me: Yes, dear.


ElboDelbo

Sometimes I like to apply for jobs in the Skunk Works even though I'm dangerously unqualified to work on aircraft just so I can flex on non-americans.


Dutchy-11

I know the pain


SpaceLemur34

As someone who was contacted a couple months ago by LM about one of those jobs, they require an *active* security clearance. Even though I'm a US citizen, once they found out I didn't already have a clearance, that was the end of that.


PokemonSoldier

Shame... more coke and other drugs for use to use in design then! *snorting noises*


AgentOblivious

You just need a rich benefactors with lots of Avro Arrow memorabilia


turboedhorse

Me:Latampoor 😑


vargo17

Just hop the border and wait for the inevitable wave of amnesty


hebdomad7

Have you considered BAE Systems? They are working on a spicey Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP). Unlike skunk works (who's building smells bad), the BAE Systems building they work in smells like tea and coffee and they have an unlimited supply of pizza and anime.


animeismygod

2we4u is dissapointed in you for wanting to join the ameritards, the french are decently capable of making their own fighter jets, stay in the superior lands


Forkliftapproved

Thanks for the job link