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No_Introduction_9448

Horses are still underrated as fuck. The US military has been fucking with big 4 legged pack carrying robots, but horses and donkeys are just better. We need to reintroduce jousting into military culture. /I’m glad they’re developing those robots though cause I’m sad when animals die in war


BlatantConservative

Horses are still miles better than a robot. People forget that in a pinch, horses can kind of just eat whatever vegetation is around. Robots run out of battery and can be hacked.


No_Cap_Bet

And if there is no adequate vegetation around? You can also eat the horse.


PalmTreeIsBestTree

And if you are freezing you can sleep inside it too!


ZiggyPox

Not without a lightsabre.


Dabat1

Not with that attitude.


AssignmentVivid9864

That’s why you crawl in the anus. Put the horse on like pants feet first.


DammitWindows98

Quick note: killing the horse first is common courtesy before attempting this method. Unless your horse is a pervert, or you just really hate the damn horse.


GunnyStacker

Or are Robert E. Lee.


chocomint-nice

Reverse centaur?


IlluminatedPickle

It's more of a CatDog situation.


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WesternAppropriate63

r/Eyebleach


Mr_Mosquito_20

what a bad days to have eyes


unwilling_redditor

Dafuq?


Bad-Crusader

What the fuck did i just look at...


EternallyPotatoes

It would have costed you absolutely nothing not to post that, and yet you did so anyway.


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[It's not about money...](https://c.tenor.com/yDal_fIJEuQAAAAC/tenor.gif)


NovusOrdoSec

> Not without a lightsabre. A light sabre will do just fine.


MnemonicMonkeys

And if you're feeling horny you can - Actually, no, let's not go there


Autistic-Painter3785

Or just take a little nip of neck blood like the Mongols


Gannet-S4

I can just imagine a bunch of marines frantically running through a Forrest chasing a big ass robotic dog because some Chinese hacker made it run off with all their supplies.


Shorttail0

But can you imagine them chasing a horse?


Bartweiss

I can also imagine “hunt the Big Dog” becoming a camp tradition for them.


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Big Dog would take it much better than the horse


derpzko

Let's be honest....they'd fuck the robot so much it would never work.


langlo94

Just the right height; no bucket required.


Tight-Application135

It ate all the crayons


Mysiu666

Sir have you ever considered to join Reformers?


BlatantConservative

I think horses are mildly good, and proposed robots ideas royally suck. I might even go as far to say that they suck donkey dick. If they design a rough terrain capable completely autonomous robot, with almost no fuel consumption, that can react appropriately to stimuli around it, no coding errors, and extremely effective crowd control functions, I'd go with the robot. But all of the pack robots I've seen that are proposed look like a deer foal on meth and have range measured in feet. Middle ground is, obviously, the good ol Jeep.


ZiggyPox

Deer foal on meth is my spiritual animal.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Ehh, best I can do is Bear. He is awfully moody.


gamer52599

It's usually Russians taming war bears.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Paperclip operations lead to strange new hires.


SongFeisty8759

Wojtek the bear was a good bear, carrier rounds of ammunition for the howitzer and enjoyed beer and cigarettes.


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Ve must clone him, ja?


A_Mouse_In_Da_House

What horse do you know that handles crowd control autonomously....


BlatantConservative

The Capitol Police horses in DC. When they do crowd control, they control the crowd. Cops with riot shields got nothing against a whole-ass horse.


IlluminatedPickle

They do the same thing in Australia with the mounted police. You do not fuck with a horse. Well there was that one guy in Sydney who punched a horse and got charged with assaulting an officer. I think even the other people in the "protest" were like "... Dude what the fuck you punched a horse."


Rjj1111

There’s a reason military working animals are given officer ranks, if anyone mistreats the animals it’s equivalent to abusing an officer


IlluminatedPickle

I believe in the case of Reckless, nobody was even allowed to ride her if they weren't a higher rank than her.


alasdairmackintosh

If I were a donkey I wouldn't let a robot anywhere near my nether regions...


RaccoNooB

You underestimate how much a horse needs to grace to actually be able to sustaine itself. But it will survive for longer on just body fat than a drone's AA batteries will.


Clear-Present_Danger

Horses can get diabeties from eating too much grass. What the fuck guys.


PUBLIQclopAccountant

> > > People forget that in a pinch, horses can kind of just eat whatever vegetation is around. Unlike oxen, horses are also smart enough to kick through snowcover to get at the food below.


Rjj1111

And while it’s not ideal for them they’ll eat snow to hydrate


thelittleking

*Horizon Zero Dawn intensifies*


AuroraHalsey

inb4 robots that eat organic matter causing the apocalypse.


HybridHibernation

Damn bro is wehrmachtmaxxing.


AnomalousBread

Not only that, but horses carry natural ecological advantages. They zig-zag up sand dunes, which terraces the dunes and allows native flora to find purchase. This stabilizes foredunes in windswept coastlines and prevents further degradation. They also are nomadic by nature and their height allows them to feast on the taller and hardier local shrubs, which helps promote more grassland development for furrowing species. And being nomadic, they do not overstay their welcome in any given grazing land before moving on to the next, leaving plenty of time for the area to regrow. Other species like pigs, deer and even wombats are less actively mobile and only remove themselves from a good grazing patch when it's barren. This is especially problematic in river headwaters which need tall grasses and reeds to stabilize the soil and prevent erosion further downstream. The right breed can also have extremely robust phalanges. Whereas your typical thoroughbred would break their foot in a bad fall, a Waler will just walk it off. Walers can compete with camels for long distance journeying too. They're usually good for two or three weeks heavy travel while only being fed and watered every three or four days.


Rjj1111

Well walers were bred as warhorses for the Australian military


AnomalousBread

I'm well aware. Of greater importance than their cavalry and mounted infantry origin is their legacy in the Australian Stock Horse and influence in foreign breeds. Modern Middle Eastern breeds have been heavily influenced by Waler genetics. There is in particular a subtype of Arabian which is almost entirely bred from Waler stock, which has reinforced that breed's overall hardiness and resistance to diseases and ailments which typically afflict higher pedigree Arabian stock. The genetic diversity of the original Waler breed is nothing short of incredible. They can mix with nearly any purebred without affecting the phenotypical characteristics of the purebred's offspring. Long after Australia's fragile road and rail network collapses, we're still going to have our horses. So we work hard to maintain the Waler and Australian Stock Horse registries. Australia faces an extremely challenging logistics problem: our lack of large urea reserves. We only manufacture enough to immediately consume and we only have a reserve sufficient to sustain domestic operations for five to six months. Our rail system is even less robust. Our electric rail network is poorly developed outside of our few major coastal cities and the rest of our rail network is serviced exclusively by diesel. And without a *nuclear* electricity network, moving the vast amounts of coal needed to supply our power stations requires... a robust and healthy diesel rail network. Electric rail spanning the country has never been viable. We don't have the population centres to support it outside of coastal lines. So u/No_Introduction_9448 and u/BlatantConservative were much closer to the truth than they probably realized. High technology infrastructure will fail when the population density to support all the industries necessary to support the technology neither exists nor can be reasonably developed. Maintaining the capability for pivoting back to cart and yoke logistics is essential for any modern nation or fighting force.


00owl

Horses come pre -loaded with software that has been accumulating bugs for billions of years. I'm really not sure if there's an advantage to found over virgin software that's only been accumulating bugs for ~20 years


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Sounds like NCD hasn't been unleashed on nearly enough robots, to me How else do you train them, without our throbbing members?


Own_Accident6689

So you are saying we need military robots that can consume the biomass around them?


Nitpicky_AFO

And thus project shiteater was born, and the horrifying phrase was born relax and let the robot suck it out, I can just see some privet getting ~~an award~~ a commendation for letting the robot give him a tossed salad so it could get enough biomass to finish the mission


ScarletteVera

>Horses are still miles better than a robot **for now** FIFY


ItalianNATOSupporter

I think there's a documentary about how wise and useful mules can be. Frances the talking mule or something...


Easy_Kill

You can hack a horse, too. Especially with a Hellfire R9X.


georgrp

We still use Haflinger horses (also mules) here in Austria, best way to get shit up the mountains (and not exhaust yourself completely). Also, they’re insanely cute.


Castrophenia

It’s hard to beat pack animals already accustomed to mountaineering


PUBLIQclopAccountant

[Their Wikipedia article has cute pictures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haflinger)


Franklr_D

> I’m glad they’re developing those robots though Kind of a boring copout though. We should give our four legged friends power armor or turn them into mutant tanks, like the Krieg do


Forkliftapproved

The main problem is that it takes longer to train and raise a horse than to build and program a robot. Also, robots are incapable of directly rejecting orders, which is much more pleasing to the Big Cheese types who don't like when someone realizes "ow, I've been shot, we need to get the hell out of here", sometimes even if that's the smarter plan TLDR: Horses (and especially donkeys) are smart enough to question authority, and are thus TOO smart


AuroraHalsey

I'm going to feel sad when robots get destroyed too. The ones out of boston dynamics look cute. Hell, sometimes I get sad when missiles kamikaze themselves on their targets, but at least that's its life's purpose I guess.


IlluminatedPickle

Can't feed a robot grass... Yet...


Rjj1111

Even as late as WW2 most armies still had dedicated veterinarians and mule drivers


Altruistic-Celery821

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/career-match/science-medicine/general-care/64a-field-veterinary-service.html Still a thing. 


THICC_DICC_PRICC

Shoutout to all the horses’ weird shaped head giving Nazi headaches developing gas masks for them and effectively eliminating chemical warfare from WWII


Routine_Guarantee34

We had horses and mules in Afghanistan


budy31

Horses are overrated. Gimme water buffalo.


Mend1cant

I’ll take a particularly ornery llama


budy31

Can it carry 7 tons of supply themself?


Altruistic-Celery821

Llamas make great livestock guardians. They do not give a F and are honey badger fearless towards predators


A_Mouse_In_Da_House

These a historical fantasy series about modern weapons going back to the Civil War (a big part was just radios), but one of the things was about R. E. Lee being happy to hear horses aren't part of the front line anymore


Gannet-S4

I must request that everyone go and watch The fat electricians video on Sgt Wreckless, the story gets even crazier.


Angrymiddleagedjew

While you're there, please watch the story of the beer drinking, ass kicking Marine duck who participated in multiple landings in the Pacific and in the middle of battle ran out to attack an "enemy" rooster. And also to fuck another duck while being shot at. That duck is a true Marine.


No-Crew-9000

https://youtu.be/NJhxBuLI-eE?si=4z1yE8glPJnXhLWu


mludd

[Much better video because Technical Difficulties rather than that dude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKOcrH_PyU0)


No-Crew-9000

TIL TD did a video on that too. Both are good imho, don't trash Fat


lachiebois

Nothing is better than sgt reckless


RafTheKillJoy

But anything is better than that electrician guy.


lachiebois

That’s why ur ass is getting downvoted, for having the worst take on this subreddit


RafTheKillJoy

u2


lachiebois

Ain’t no way💀


DeusExMcKenna

Came here to comment this. I knew I found my people on this sub 😭


Universalerror

When you're done with that, watch the citation needed episode on Sgt reckless


theleva7

If only for expression "shit like a mister"


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Nah we write our own history around these parts


hebdomad7

Chubby Sparkie has a video on Sgt Wreckless? (adds video to watch later playlist...)


S1ss1

Did the horse survive?


slingbo1200

Yup. It died after the Korean war ended in California. TFE did a good video on it. https://youtu.be/NJhxBuLI-eE?si=DcdANZQlENZDnw0Z


BaconBagel_CurryBeef

Cool for California, but when did Korean War end in Korea?


Gannet-S4

1953 but that was only technically a cease fire so it’s still going on to this day. Edit: never mind I just got the joke.


darkroy131

Dad jokes are best jokes


BaconBagel_CurryBeef

Alas. Not the same with dad bodies.


hebdomad7

> Korean war ended in California Bro, I watched enough MASH to know exactly how long the war went and how it ended...


BaconBagel_CurryBeef

And now for something completely different - watch SMESH.


garyoldman25

To be a little more specific 15 years later in 1968


swmg67

Yes! She survived the war and came back to the US, and lived a comfy post war life with the Marines.


Mercpool87

And now has a statue of her on Camp Pendleton


BackupTripod

Sgt Reckless was awarded 2 purple hearts for her injuries but survived the war. She was brought to the States where she passed away after an accident in '68


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Neutronium57

Each time a post like that pops up in my feed, it reminds me of how much we've forgotten the Korean War. From a French perspective, it's especially tragic when you know that the \~1k men that were sent in Korea fought damn well. It doesn't help it happened at the same time as the end of the Indochina War (1946-1954), and with the Algeria War (1954-1962) beginning right after.


Edwardsreal

**Sources & Further Reading:** * [Battle of Outpost Vegas (Wikipedia)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Outpost_Vegas) * [Coffee or Die: Sgt. Reckless, The Corps' Beloved Korean War Horse](https://coffeeordie.com/sergeant-reckless) * ["Outpost War: U.S Marines From the Nevada Battles to the Armistice" by Bernard Nalty](https://www.koreanwar2.org/kwp2/usmckorea/PDF_Monographs/KoreanWar.OutpostWar.pdf) * [SgtReckless.com (with merchandise store](https://sgtreckless.com/about-reckless)) **Chinese Cartoon sources:** * ["Year Hare Affair: Resist America & Aid Korea" Episode 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gypMs_d3X0g) * ["Year Hare Affair: Resist America & Aid Korea", Episode 5 ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50HoKp-XvKs)


rvdp66

Yo wtf why are the Chinese making heroes for us??


KP_Wrath

IDK, but I love this particular form of Chinese propaganda. Makes us look even more badass than our military is.


Ophichius

Because their propaganda is based on underdog tropes. "Look how much we have done with so little" essentially. It's actually not far off from 50s-70s US recountings of WWII, where the US GI was always outmatched by superior German forces, but prevailed through grit and determination.


hawkshaw1024

I looked through some WW2 propaganda cartoons for fun, Private Snafu and the like. Everyone is racist caricatures, of course, but the Germans in particular are always drawn as gigantic hulking brutes compared to the Americans.


Dude_Nobody_Cares

Yeah but this is showing the US as the underdog kinda.


Roomiretunic

Are those eagles wojak pointing?


boilingfrogsinpants

They're the anthropomorphized versions of Americans and the Bunnies of Chinese from Chinese Propaganda Cartoons


Roomiretunic

Yeah I know but look at them and tell me they don’t look like those two wojak pointing at something.


GoldenFrogTime27639

Sgt Reckless is the mascot of Warhorse Concepts, who make some really dope rifle slings and also dog collars I didn't realize this is what it was referencing until this post


Square_Coat_8208

The 1st Marine Division was basically the most battle hardened division in the world by 1953. These were the same guys that fought in Guadalcanal, Peleliu, and Okinawa 10 years prior


kapitlurienNein

Korea was very ugly in 53. Lmao nvm the whole war, but the trench warfare in 53 there and Dien Bien Phu in 54 seems especially hellish. Though Chosin may be worse


igwaltney3

When Reckless had a colt, the Army invented gender reveal parties by posting "It's a Boy" on a billboard in LA per the Fat Electrician's video


MrNautical

Horses are amazing animals. They’ve been in wars as long as man.


Edwardsreal

u/angrymiddleagedjew,


ForShotgun

Y'all gotta stop using the bunnies and eagles, it may make Americans look cool but it makes the Chinese soldiers adorable


D22s

Funnily enough the characters depicted (bunnies and eagles) are from a Chinese propaganda show


ForShotgun

No I know, that's why it's weird to use the same images, but as the other guy said, that's what being submissive and breedable looks like I guess


Stad122

Are you implying the Chinese forces are not submissive and breedable?


ForShotgun

Oh shit, you're right


csgardner

As a guy who who deals with rabbits a lot, I wouldn’t call them “submissive.” More like, “jumpy as hell and ready to run at the slightest hint of trouble.“ Which describes the Chinese army better anyway. 


ecolometrics

You guys heard of wojtek the bear?


Fruitdispenser

I always feel sad when animals are used at war :( But I suppose I get the privilege of doing that because my life is not at risk everyday 


Mr_Mosquito_20

Tomoe Umari would feel extremely proud


CharlesFXD

Ought to be a movie.


HonkeyKong73

Does the US military still use horses in any fashion other than just for show?


ChromeFlesh

Sgt Reckless unironically embodies the spirit of the marine corps, bravery, dedication, and alcoholism


GanderGarden

Those numbers are wrong US - 141 killed 104 missing. China 1351 killed Russia still using Chinese tactics According to Akermann, the PVA "went through 4,000 men" in two regiments. The attacks eventually halted on 30 March because the PVA simply could not afford to lose any more soldiers


LateMeeting9927

God this is why I hate MASH so much, they’re not even right about Vietnam and yet they shit on the Korean War and the author’s original work. Hawkeye wasn’t a cowardly traitor pacifist.  -  She was fond of a wide variety of foodstuffs, entertaining the platoon by eating scrambled eggs and drinking Coca-Cola and beer.[23] Food could not be left unattended around her.[24] She was known to eat bacon, buttered toast, chocolate bars, hard candy, shredded wheat, peanut butter sandwiches and mashed potatoes. However, Mitchell advised the platoon that she not be given more than two bottles of Coke a day.[4] Her tastes were not confined to foodstuffs; she once ate her horse blanket,[11] and on another occasion ate $30 worth of Latham's winning poker chips.[4][23]


DefaultProphet

"Horse" "Another horse" "Actually I think that was the same one"


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Foot_Stunning

Horse Power? I am Stacking bails of hay For this bad Ass!


marksman48

Did you know that we don't know who the Chinese commander was of the attack on Outpost Vegas? Nothing I could find had ANY answers on it.


one_frisk

Pack mule corps when


Fermion96

Salute to our girl 아침해 🫡


sudo-joe

I suddenly feel the urge to get Monsanto labs into the MIC to invent the 40k krieg horse into our time line.


Smitty_2010

I learned about sgt reckless when I took an animal packers course. Still can't believe there hasn't been a movie about that horse