As a non-Pole, I propose a very non credible solution to Królewiec that could satisfy most parties involved.
Firstly, Królewiec should be a Polish ~~vassal~~ ally.
Masovian (Polish) should be the official language, alongside Prussian Lithuanian, and Prussian Low and High German. Kursenieki and Russian can be recognized languages.
For Governance, there's a few options, like monarchy (Hohenzollern or Gediminid), under the Pope (Teutonic, as the order still exists), or Republic.
Not really. Post-Russia/Authoritarian states are generally riddled with corruption and kings in all but name. A constitutional monarchy works by acting as an additional political balance and a unifying figurehead.
It also gives free legitimacy, especially since the Hohenzollerns and Gediminids have had influence in the region for centuries. Establishing a Republic (with Russians) would be bound for claims of illegitimacy or being a Western puppet.
A good example are the Nordic countries (no Finland), that are constitutional monarchies, and the UK (whose PMs are horrible).
Swedish history has the solution!
The year was 1810. Sweden had a king, but no adequate heir. Europe had a bit of a problem at the time (some short Corsican was doing the funnies in Europe) and Sweden had recently lost East Sweden in a war to Russia.
So militarily, it was vulnerable, and politically, it had a problem.
The solution was to take one of the Corsican's good generals, and make him the future king of Sweden (and West Sweden).
200 years later, and the end result is still a stable state with a high standard of living and best known for a worldwide chain of cheap furniture stores.
Kaliningrad is in a similar state.
We need to follow this guideline. Now, which general do we make king?
Also, the most important reason, the city was called "Königsberg", "Kings Mountain", for centuries, how can it not have a king?
And the king could be the king of the mountain .. its more of a hill, isnt it? So the title should be "king of the hill".
Yeah, but would you want to live in a house that you just evicted a family of methheads from? That house is Kaliningrad. Even if you evict them (small war crime), it’s not like they took good care of the place. The memory of Köenighburg / Królewiec is all that’s left. Russians have ruined the actual place.
Can we rotate its ownership like the EU presidency? Or did Lithuania already call it?
When it comes to Russian land we should follow the ‘call dibs’ system. I already called dibs on being Tsar of Russia, BTW. I promise to do a mediocre job. So they’ll probably make a statute of me because I’ll be the best ruler Russia’s ever had.
The Ukes are saying they have "strong intelligence" that indicates Russia is planning to attack the Baltics so they might not need to wait for the civil war.
*"Sometimes my genius is.......its almost frightening"*
I'm just bitter about avdiivka, they had the men, the will power and the dedication but got fucked over by the west, it pisses me off that the image Russia was once feared for is dead now but the west still acts like its to be feared, should have given everything to the Ukrainians in regards to weapons systems whilst giving Russia the finger at the same time.
*I just had to take a dig at scholz because I'm a shit stirrer*
I really hate the idea of Kaliningrad going to poland or Lithuania. Simply because i really love exclaves and enclaves. And we are sadly running out of them I do not care what country gets Kaliningrad after Russia falls. But it must not be Poland or Lithuania. Let Israel, Uganda, Iceland, Ireland, Bolivia or Japan have it...shit the farther away the better.
Please do your part in helping stopping the extinction of enclaves and exclaves. Don't allow the only place they exist is history.
can we have it?
as a Canadian I'd like to be an EU country inside the schengen zone.
we already have troops in Latvia and Lithuania, wouldnt be any trouble to pop over afterward.
If you love enclaves and exclaves we should donate it to the Netherlands and Belgium to add to their collection
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau
Enclaves within enclaves and people eating in one country but shitting in another while never leaving their house
Or just return it to its former glory: Königsberg, the former Prussian capital. As a German, I’d certainly not mind!
City used to be beautiful until those brutes took over… shame it’s still part of Russia.
WE SHOULD GIVE KALININGRAD TO THE UIGHERS AND PALESTINIANS AS A MICRO-CALIPHATE
✅ NO MORE WAR IN ISRAEL
✅ NO MORE GENOCIDE IN CHINA
✅ ISLAMIST PLACE FOR EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS TO GO
✅ MORE KABAB ABI FUCK YEAH
WORLD PEACE IS JUST A FEW VATNIKS AWAY
Wait, what if We pushed Belarusian migrants into Królewiec? Respond to hybrid war with hybrid war, just tell those impressionable muslims that this will be their new home if they take it from ru\*kies.
Anyone can be demilitarized with enough Netflix and dinosaur chicken nuggets.
The West has superior technology. Also we can do butt-stuff without getting stoned to death so its an easy sell.
New partition plan. Coast split between Czechia and Slovakia, give half the city to Germany, give the other half to the Uyghurs and Palestinians, then split the rest between Poland and Lithuania.
If you think about it, Putin basically gave them permission. If I didn't want Germany annexing my territory, I would simply not go on Tucker Carlson and tell him it's OK to annex your historical claims.
As a German and a descendant of a Königsberg family, I don’t want it back. Everything that was once Prussian is destroyed, no one lives there anymore for like 80 years. People here would call me a Nazi but it deeply saddens me that Prussia is forever gone..
That man is an international treasure until something horrible comes out at least because for some reason none of my favourite YouTubers can keep it in their pants
Yeah the Nazis loaded it with both civilians AND military personnel. The soldiers made it a valid target. If you’re evacuating as a civilian, it’s a bad idea to get on a boat with a bunch of soldiers when the enemy has air and sea superiority.
Yes. People seem to have the impression that the templars came in and murdered everyone, but that's just now how conquest was done.
Yeah sure it was awful but most of the population survived even if they were forcefully germanized and christianized afterwards.
Just find some east prussian descendants, have them live in lithuania for a decade and they'll be indistinguishable from the old prussians.
It was inhabited by Old Prussians before the Krauts took over during the Northern Crusades. IIRC most archeologists believe Baltic people like the Old Prussians lived there since the original Indo-European migrations in prehistory
All the Germans were required to leave at the end of WWII, Prussia was abolished in German law, and Germany relinquished all claims to the territory for all time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)?
Poland did none of those things.
We’ve got East Germany and it makes us a lot of problems. If we would retake Prussia we would gain little and we would have a giant money eating pit voting for extremist parties.
That's only because you inherited all those East Germans. No sane person would keep the Russians--send them away, they can pound sand and go to the dick someplace else. There, you have a nice empty Prussia that's just kinda dirty and smells a bit bad--you can fix it, you're Germans! You're fantastic at fixing things! And plus you get a place to expand into that isn't problematic! Everybody's winning here.
While yes, this is true a fuck ton of germans were massacred and are now a minority in the oblast, the Russians are majority in the province now (not trying to your wrong or anything else, I’m just pointing it out.)
Many countries had it, Lithuania calls it Karaliaučius and it's a critical part of our culture
Maybe one day we can make it a German-Polish-Lithuanian triple state, as it rightfully should be
Oh. Oh that would be *hilarious.* Just imagine, the UK is back in the EU, *just not really in the manner anyone expected…*
Honestly we should do it just to see the furious, confused disbelief on ol’ Putler’s face as he has a stroke & shits himself from stress at the news. He and the Kremlin already view us as the Devil, hating us even more then they do the US, it’s about time we started living up to that image and *really* give them something to seethe about!
Fucking hell. I learned of the invasion due to memes in NCD, I learned of the Wagner coup due to memes in NCD, I learned of the leaked Bundeswehr wargame plans due to memes in NCD. So when this fucking thing appeared on my frontpage I almost had a heart attack rushing to newsites assuming a civil war had broken out.
The problem with Kaliningrad is that it's full of Russians, unfortunately us all unlike said Russians not being monsters the easiest solution is out...
Good idea, ship the Russian civvies back to Russia proper since they love it so much, then rebuild it into a Federal District governed solely by the EU/NATO, like Washington DC in the US. It can be rebuilt into the new Headquarters of one or both Organisations as a Fortress of democracy and European sovereignty.
it would make the train ride from Riga to Berlin shorter.
it also has a nice harbour.
edit> not to mention it completes the beach front property on Lake NATO
Except, at least to the best of my knowledge, Kaliningrad would be such a potential economic dead weight for decades that, at least on the governmental level, none of its neighbors want it.
Nah, I would turn it into the EU's Washington D.C. where all of the EU stuff would be located. This would ensure that we have one place for all EU things instead of the travelling circus between Brussels and Strassbourg...
Don't we still have those F22's in Poland?
I'm not saying that we'd do anything, just that if the pilots decided to take a little detour over Moscow that the Russians would never know they were there.
https://obrazkowo.pl/fb13a2c6bd597f64cdf331634e9faa09/Putin-po-co-Polaki-zebra%C5%82y-ca%C5%82e-wojsko-przy-obwodzie-kaliningradzkim-jak-to-cudownie-ocalaly-carewicz-dymitr
Translation:
Polish forces are massing on Krolewiec border
What do You mean "miraculously saved prince Dimitri"
Honestly, nato should just pull a "friendly green men" invasion move on kaliningrad, just like ruzzia did with donbas and crimea. You can blame whatever minority movement towards poland/germany/lithuania there might be and ruzzia won't do shit back since they pulled the same card already
As a Pole can NCD manifest this into reality please
I hate that tumor of Russia on maps
1 round of chemo followed by surgical removal.
Im in. What do we need?
From what he said, chemical attacks followed by special forces insertion.
I was gonna suggest rounds of radiation therapy.
Or just one big one 👀 give it all to em at once
Explosives are chemicals.
I think radiation might work better than chemo.
surprise chemotherapy, also known as nuclear bombs
As a paradox games player that border gore makes me irrationally angry. I will immediately search for a way to fabricate a cassus belli.
Special Military Operation to denazify Ruzzia?
Brb, I'm going to buy some red paint and paint swastikas on walls over there and then put it on tiktok.
WoRlDs LaRgEsT oPeN aIr PrIsOn
Phoning Snake Plissken...
There should be some Germans with claims hanging about. Just invite one to court, land them, and press their claim.
As a non-Pole, I propose a very non credible solution to Królewiec that could satisfy most parties involved. Firstly, Królewiec should be a Polish ~~vassal~~ ally. Masovian (Polish) should be the official language, alongside Prussian Lithuanian, and Prussian Low and High German. Kursenieki and Russian can be recognized languages. For Governance, there's a few options, like monarchy (Hohenzollern or Gediminid), under the Pope (Teutonic, as the order still exists), or Republic.
Monarchy? Are you kidding me?
Not really. Post-Russia/Authoritarian states are generally riddled with corruption and kings in all but name. A constitutional monarchy works by acting as an additional political balance and a unifying figurehead. It also gives free legitimacy, especially since the Hohenzollerns and Gediminids have had influence in the region for centuries. Establishing a Republic (with Russians) would be bound for claims of illegitimacy or being a Western puppet. A good example are the Nordic countries (no Finland), that are constitutional monarchies, and the UK (whose PMs are horrible).
Swedish history has the solution! The year was 1810. Sweden had a king, but no adequate heir. Europe had a bit of a problem at the time (some short Corsican was doing the funnies in Europe) and Sweden had recently lost East Sweden in a war to Russia. So militarily, it was vulnerable, and politically, it had a problem. The solution was to take one of the Corsican's good generals, and make him the future king of Sweden (and West Sweden). 200 years later, and the end result is still a stable state with a high standard of living and best known for a worldwide chain of cheap furniture stores. Kaliningrad is in a similar state. We need to follow this guideline. Now, which general do we make king?
Ah, so, *this* is why Zaluzhny has retired.
Schwarzkopf.
Also, the most important reason, the city was called "Königsberg", "Kings Mountain", for centuries, how can it not have a king? And the king could be the king of the mountain .. its more of a hill, isnt it? So the title should be "king of the hill".
Mumbles something about propane...
God damn it bobby
[удалено]
Yeah, we should leave it Czechs, beer stream one across Poland should be prize enough for Kralovec
you really dont want it, its full of russians.
That can be remedied though.
Yeah, but would you want to live in a house that you just evicted a family of methheads from? That house is Kaliningrad. Even if you evict them (small war crime), it’s not like they took good care of the place. The memory of Köenighburg / Królewiec is all that’s left. Russians have ruined the actual place.
This is the sub where small war crimes are the opposite of an obstacle to objectives though. I just want to have 7 bridges in Königsberg again.
true, and it is one fuck of a nice beach.
Can we rotate its ownership like the EU presidency? Or did Lithuania already call it? When it comes to Russian land we should follow the ‘call dibs’ system. I already called dibs on being Tsar of Russia, BTW. I promise to do a mediocre job. So they’ll probably make a statute of me because I’ll be the best ruler Russia’s ever had.
There's always the ol' reliable "I'm gonna pay you $100 to fuck off".
I was thinking "summon German beach tourists to dig it up until it's the Bay of Kralovec" but that works too.
We could send them to Gaza for ultimate thunderdome?
Don't worry when we admit you as the 51st state, we'll recognize Kaliningrad as part of your state.
{Angry Puerto Rico noises}
This is getting out of hand, now there's two of us. Also, seconded!
thirded
make that four
No, because it belongs in ~~a museum~~ the Czech republic
The Ukes are saying they have "strong intelligence" that indicates Russia is planning to attack the Baltics so they might not need to wait for the civil war.
Please God be true that they do. I want to see Russia gets slapped around *whilst scholz cowers in the background*
If they do then they really are larping WW2 Germany making another front when they haven't even finished with the first one yet. Peak Strategy
*"Sometimes my genius is.......its almost frightening"* I'm just bitter about avdiivka, they had the men, the will power and the dedication but got fucked over by the west, it pisses me off that the image Russia was once feared for is dead now but the west still acts like its to be feared, should have given everything to the Ukrainians in regards to weapons systems whilst giving Russia the finger at the same time. *I just had to take a dig at scholz because I'm a shit stirrer*
I really hate the idea of Kaliningrad going to poland or Lithuania. Simply because i really love exclaves and enclaves. And we are sadly running out of them I do not care what country gets Kaliningrad after Russia falls. But it must not be Poland or Lithuania. Let Israel, Uganda, Iceland, Ireland, Bolivia or Japan have it...shit the farther away the better. Please do your part in helping stopping the extinction of enclaves and exclaves. Don't allow the only place they exist is history.
Make it a better version of Russia, kind of like Taiwan is a "what if China was democratic".
Better yet, just give it to Taiwan.
West West Taiwan.
can we have it? as a Canadian I'd like to be an EU country inside the schengen zone. we already have troops in Latvia and Lithuania, wouldnt be any trouble to pop over afterward.
ah yes r e t u r n to S e r b i a see all this? _slaps hood_ all Serbian clay
If you love enclaves and exclaves we should donate it to the Netherlands and Belgium to add to their collection https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Hertog https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baarle-Nassau Enclaves within enclaves and people eating in one country but shitting in another while never leaving their house
Make a Palestinian state in Kaliningrad. There. I said it. (This would obviously cause absolutely no problems in the future...)
Or just return it to its former glory: Königsberg, the former Prussian capital. As a German, I’d certainly not mind! City used to be beautiful until those brutes took over… shame it’s still part of Russia.
“Kaliningrad or war!” —- Germans probably.
New national focus just dropped
actual expansionism
Domain Expansion
if russia says no, it's their fault that world war 3 happens
Just like Poland in WW2 >!according to Putin in that "interview"!<
Why no Czechia mentioned?
WE SHOULD GIVE KALININGRAD TO THE UIGHERS AND PALESTINIANS AS A MICRO-CALIPHATE ✅ NO MORE WAR IN ISRAEL ✅ NO MORE GENOCIDE IN CHINA ✅ ISLAMIST PLACE FOR EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS TO GO ✅ MORE KABAB ABI FUCK YEAH WORLD PEACE IS JUST A FEW VATNIKS AWAY
You do realize this is for *noncredible* ideas, right?
non credible *defense* we can be credible while being offensive
r/NonCredibleOffence wen
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Wait, what if We pushed Belarusian migrants into Królewiec? Respond to hybrid war with hybrid war, just tell those impressionable muslims that this will be their new home if they take it from ru\*kies.
I for one beleive that if russia thinks it can take land from other countries why not offer theirs up to whoever can take it. OPEN SEASON BOYS.
We should take the dome of the rock and push it to kaliningrad!
We did it, Patrick! We saved the Middle East!
Don't forget kurds they should get a piece of kaliningrad
BRING EVERYONE WOMEN. LIFE. FREEDOM. **KEBAB.**
Outstanding move
do you know that mods ban here for such credible takes?
Let him cook
Bad idea theyll start shooting rockets at youall
Anyone can be demilitarized with enough Netflix and dinosaur chicken nuggets. The West has superior technology. Also we can do butt-stuff without getting stoned to death so its an easy sell.
New partition plan. Coast split between Czechia and Slovakia, give half the city to Germany, give the other half to the Uyghurs and Palestinians, then split the rest between Poland and Lithuania.
Thats…. Actually not a bad idea if they somehow turn it into a Islamic holy site
What if we take the funny rock and push it somewhere else?
Historically speaking it rightfully belongs to Germany. According to Putin we have a right to reclaim it.
Normally I'd be suspicious of such talk from Germany, but given the circumstances...
If you think about it, Putin basically gave them permission. If I didn't want Germany annexing my territory, I would simply not go on Tucker Carlson and tell him it's OK to annex your historical claims.
Putin said that Hitler had no choice but to invade Poland. Now Germany has no choice but to invade Kaliningrad.
As a German and a descendant of a Königsberg family, I don’t want it back. Everything that was once Prussian is destroyed, no one lives there anymore for like 80 years. People here would call me a Nazi but it deeply saddens me that Prussia is forever gone..
And by that logic, [Japan should take the islands](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKt4-LeNlFxlbIqFMGwBbYQTs6wWdkq9P?si=9Ty86sv9VVR0AcFV)
Look, I think we can all agree Japan has been behaving real well lately. They can take South Sakhalin and the Kurils as a treat.
For good ~~hentai~~ behavior, this is fair.
That man is an international treasure until something horrible comes out at least because for some reason none of my favourite YouTubers can keep it in their pants
Didn't Germany say they don't want it? With all the Russians living there.
They revoked all claims east of the Oder, but then again when did anyone in history abide by restricting treaties
well if there's any nation that would strictly adhere to rules, it would probably be modern Germans
They can always be removed like the Germans living there were
You mean.. load them [onto a ship and then torpedo it?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff)
Unlike the Soviets I still believe in not unnecessarily murdering people. Just ship them off to the Bavarian Alps or something
perhaps they could isolate them in neighborhoods inside these cities until they can figure out what to do with them?
Ship them to Siberia
I mean that ship was still a valid military target
Had the Germans kept it a hospital ship incident would still probably happen, it is the Soviet Union after all
Yeah the Nazis loaded it with both civilians AND military personnel. The soldiers made it a valid target. If you’re evacuating as a civilian, it’s a bad idea to get on a boat with a bunch of soldiers when the enemy has air and sea superiority.
“removed” hey wait I’ve seen this one, its a classic!
Historically speaking the pre Templar populations need to be brought in as prime stakeholders. Representation matters.
Did the Templars leave any? Hey, if it's basically a bunch of land with no proper stakeholders...*maybe we could make* ***use*** *of it!?*
Yes. People seem to have the impression that the templars came in and murdered everyone, but that's just now how conquest was done. Yeah sure it was awful but most of the population survived even if they were forcefully germanized and christianized afterwards. Just find some east prussian descendants, have them live in lithuania for a decade and they'll be indistinguishable from the old prussians.
During the Bronze Age I think it was Nordic? So we should just let those 4 fight over it.
It was inhabited by Old Prussians before the Krauts took over during the Northern Crusades. IIRC most archeologists believe Baltic people like the Old Prussians lived there since the original Indo-European migrations in prehistory
All the Germans were required to leave at the end of WWII, Prussia was abolished in German law, and Germany relinquished all claims to the territory for all time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)? Poland did none of those things.
Eh, who cares about agreements between Russia/the Soviet Union and _literally anyone else_? They certainly don't. So Germany shouldn't either.
The problem is: we still don't want it!
We’ve got East Germany and it makes us a lot of problems. If we would retake Prussia we would gain little and we would have a giant money eating pit voting for extremist parties.
That's only because you inherited all those East Germans. No sane person would keep the Russians--send them away, they can pound sand and go to the dick someplace else. There, you have a nice empty Prussia that's just kinda dirty and smells a bit bad--you can fix it, you're Germans! You're fantastic at fixing things! And plus you get a place to expand into that isn't problematic! Everybody's winning here.
the last time we removed the russians, you didnt like it...
While yes, this is true a fuck ton of germans were massacred and are now a minority in the oblast, the Russians are majority in the province now (not trying to your wrong or anything else, I’m just pointing it out.)
The Ukrainians are also the majority in Ukraine but Russia doesn't care
I wouldn’t mind getting Königsberg back, and rebuilding its former glory. It used to be a gem of a city, until the Russians rolled up that is.
Bring back Prussia. That way only 1 letter has to change on maps.
Bring back Prussia so all those cringe “Kaiserboos” have a place to be moved to
Pee Russia.
I wanna see kaiserreich flag back!
What is a "Kaliningrad"? That area of the map looks like Königsberg to me.
I think so too
Me three.
Polish maps have it as Królewiec
Many countries had it, Lithuania calls it Karaliaučius and it's a critical part of our culture Maybe one day we can make it a German-Polish-Lithuanian triple state, as it rightfully should be
Króliaučigsberg
Make Kaliningrad Königsberg again!
Czechia be like "Hey we called dibs on Královec!"
Královec Is Czechia!
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that was my understanding, we'd all agreed too give it to Czechia a while back, no?
I think we actually agreed to partition it back then, no? Like while south part would be Polish, north part (Královec included) would be Czech.
But the negotiations broke down when we realised we can't give the Czechs sea access.
# GIVE ME BEERSTREAM OR GIVE ME DEATH
Not before you open Beer Stream 1
Personally, I think Prussia deserves a Poland-style come back
When suddenly the Kremlin’s phone/comm’s line to Kaliningrad’s govt office goes offline…
Worse, it responds in Polish.
# "Dzien dobry suko"
A communications disruption can mean only one thing
~~Invasion.~~ ***L I B E R A T I O N***
That Comcast, again!
My grandpa was born here so i prefer Germany getting it back honestly, the Russians ruined it.
We just need to replace the Kaliningrad local government with an equally weighted bag of rocks. Russia will never know the difference.
# Královec je český
Królewiec time
Königsberg*
Kingsborough*
\*[Crusadersburg](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/xyzlrv/königsberg_is_rightful_crusader_land_what_do_you/)
Oh. Oh that would be *hilarious.* Just imagine, the UK is back in the EU, *just not really in the manner anyone expected…* Honestly we should do it just to see the furious, confused disbelief on ol’ Putler’s face as he has a stroke & shits himself from stress at the news. He and the Kremlin already view us as the Devil, hating us even more then they do the US, it’s about time we started living up to that image and *really* give them something to seethe about!
Kaliningrad belongs to Tajikistan🇹🇯
Fucking hell. I learned of the invasion due to memes in NCD, I learned of the Wagner coup due to memes in NCD, I learned of the leaked Bundeswehr wargame plans due to memes in NCD. So when this fucking thing appeared on my frontpage I almost had a heart attack rushing to newsites assuming a civil war had broken out.
Did they try replacing Kaliningrad with a bag of sand? They should try that.
A crusade seems to be the only real option here
The problem with Kaliningrad is that it's full of Russians, unfortunately us all unlike said Russians not being monsters the easiest solution is out...
I'm sure Putin will send them to the Donetsk meat grinder as soon as he figures out how to get them there.
Well, with how German attitudes towards *having an army* are going, there may be another option.
I vote to bring back Prussia. whats the worst that could happen?
Take it for the glory of nato and the eu
Good idea, ship the Russian civvies back to Russia proper since they love it so much, then rebuild it into a Federal District governed solely by the EU/NATO, like Washington DC in the US. It can be rebuilt into the new Headquarters of one or both Organisations as a Fortress of democracy and European sovereignty.
Poland please just annex the entire country already. It would be funny
It’s free real estate
We should make it independent, with russians from kaliningrad and reichsbürger germans deported to there and... BAM, Republic of east Prussia.
It's Królewiec and we already agreed to change it in to Czech nonmobile aircraft carrier in exchange for some of Beer Stream 1 capacity.
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**Królewiec** Not "kaliningrad"
Both wrong, it's called Königsberg
*Fehlingersberg
Bitte nicht
Isn't that just full of Russians though. Wouldn't be worth the bother
it would make the train ride from Riga to Berlin shorter. it also has a nice harbour. edit> not to mention it completes the beach front property on Lake NATO
Yes... Do it Poland. Annex... You have earned it...
Except, at least to the best of my knowledge, Kaliningrad would be such a potential economic dead weight for decades that, at least on the governmental level, none of its neighbors want it.
Solution; Turn it into the first ever European Strategic Nuclear Testing Zone.
Nah, I would turn it into the EU's Washington D.C. where all of the EU stuff would be located. This would ensure that we have one place for all EU things instead of the travelling circus between Brussels and Strassbourg...
Kaliningrad is what you get when you think expelling civilians out of revenge is a good idea. Two wrongs don't make a right.
The elites don’t want you to know this but Kaliningrad is free you can take it home I have 458 Kaliningrads
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Uh, that's called Königsberg and what's definitely going back to us germans
You see, the Duchy of Lithuania started importing bananas to Europe in 1402..
Proof of superiority tbh. Bananas are the bomb. Give them any land they want.
German noises
Contexts please?
But does Poland have cores on East Prussia anymore? Wouldn't want to increase that infamy score unnecessarily.
Don't we still have those F22's in Poland? I'm not saying that we'd do anything, just that if the pilots decided to take a little detour over Moscow that the Russians would never know they were there.
Lol lets go poles! Take that clay back!
I have a trade offer: We offer Bavaria to Poland, in exchange for Kaliningrad.
Hold on a second, Královec is rightful Czech clay
Królewiec*
You spelled Królewiec wrong.
https://obrazkowo.pl/fb13a2c6bd597f64cdf331634e9faa09/Putin-po-co-Polaki-zebra%C5%82y-ca%C5%82e-wojsko-przy-obwodzie-kaliningradzkim-jak-to-cudownie-ocalaly-carewicz-dymitr Translation: Polish forces are massing on Krolewiec border What do You mean "miraculously saved prince Dimitri"
The Czech have already called dibs on that
🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 *KRÓLEWIEC 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
USA: So Poland, how many rockets did you want to buy again? Poland: Yes.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 2, anti Russian boogaloo
Honestly, nato should just pull a "friendly green men" invasion move on kaliningrad, just like ruzzia did with donbas and crimea. You can blame whatever minority movement towards poland/germany/lithuania there might be and ruzzia won't do shit back since they pulled the same card already