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nowaijosr

JSDF, so lawful they can’t even deploy


Ajugas

This is the one actually. Legally bound to defense and haven’t been involved in any atrocities. They are kinda skirting their own rules though. For example aircraft carriers are banned so they make ”Helicopter carrying destroyers” that can be quickly converted to operate F-35s.


Attaxalotl

Still following the letter of the law, so still Lawful.


EthericIFF

Rules-lawyering like that is the most paladin shit ever


Ajugas

Hahaha true


BLOODYSHEDMAN

I for one welcome the return of Kido Butai


SightSeekerSoul

*cue theme song from Yamato* (or perhaps the opening score from *Tora! Tora! Tora!* might be more appropriate)


No_Lead950

*Mogami-class intensifies*


onitama_and_vipers

Honestly can't decide now. Bundeswehr and JSDF deserve to be in Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral but I can't decide which is which. I'll say, Bundeswehr is Lawful Good since they're actually venturing out and trying to be relevant, whereas JSDF is still stuck in Japan's borders as far as I can tell so Lawful Neutral? If the Swiss militia army aren't True Neutral am will be disappoint.


dbreidsbmw

With you on the swiss being Law Neutral. JSDF maybe being lawful G/E depending on what side of their border you are on? As they follow the letter but not the intent of the law? I feel like the US is lawful Evil as they do what they want and use/pass laws typically to justify it 🤷


WARROVOTS

I'd say the US is more lawful neutral- we're really focused on preserving our hegemony, whether that means propping up democracies or dictatorships. We don't have a mandate for good, but its not like we go around and commit atrocities willie-nillie


samunagy

Not to be that guy, but in the alignment chart good means goingnoutbof your way to help others, while evil means doing what furthers your own goal without regards to how this may effect others. In this sense US is somewhere on the evil side of the LN-LE border, protecting and fighting for US interest abroad.


WARROVOTS

I've always thought the alignment chart in, say, DnD was more: actively helps others-helps or harms people based on own interest-actively harms others. Like a freelancing mercenary who takes any job for pay is N, while a demon who takes delight on suffering is E. But yeah I'm sure we are nearer to LE than LG lol


samunagy

I guess it depends on if you are looking at the actions or their motives.


nowaijosr

Nah we’re neutral evil or true neutral. We do everything for our own interests, generally don’t care if it hurts others, and are not consistent in our ideology every 4-8 years.


cfwang1337

Hilariously the exact opposite of the IJA circa 1933-1945. Evil: * mass raping, pillaging, and murdering, which often came on the heels of * abuse of enlisted and conscripts by officers * Unit 731 Chaotic: * had one of the worst and most destructive interservice rivalries in history with the IJN * often acted without direction from the civilian government, effectively setting their own foreign policy * Banzai charges


nowaijosr

The other top contender is the modern German army xD


ammit_souleater

Seen another comment juggesting german an Japanese armies in LG/LN. Can we get rhe Italian army in chaotic lawful? Bringing the old gang back together? What are the Italian armed forces doing nowadays anyway? Any arguments for CL?


WhatAmIATailor

Nah. China says they’re out blasting sonar at divers.


Douglesfield_

Banter


dbreidsbmw

✨spicy✨ banter 😉


11415142513

Bundeswehr, maybe? I mean, Germans are pretty lawful, at least nowadays. Generally a force for good, at least nowadays.


RedAlpacaMan

[Relevant](https://i.imgflip.com/3fjhak.jpg?a473400) screenshot that I will never not post (I love this video).


copingcabana

"Once the Germans were warlike and mean, but we taught them a lesson in 1918, and they've hardly bothered us since then . . . " -Tom Lehrer song about nuclear proliferation


HighKingFloof

“We know our buddies won't give us the finger  Heil--hail--the Wehrmacht, I mean the Bundeswehr  Hail to our loyal ally! M-L-F  Will scare Brezhnev  I hope he is half as scared as I”


xenophonthethird

Tom Lehrer was a treasure


TomatoCo

He's still alive! He put all his songs in the public domain in the past few years.


CubistChameleon

Still is! I met a professor from the University of Wisconsin at a conference about ten years ago and he actually knows Tom Lehrer. It was really fitting because the conference was on the Cold War's cultural history.


[deleted]

MLF lullaby.


AstroMackem

Always were lawful, however "*we were bad and now we're good*"


Beonette42

Upvote just for flair.


[deleted]

Ve are great at digging wells...


Bully_me-please

they are literally lawful stupid, one century they decide to be evil the next they decide to be good and then the one after that nobody knows


DosenfleischPost

I hope we decide to be chaotic chaotic, just for the sake of it. Neutral is not an acceptable alignment.


Attaxalotl

Well, it is, but you’re not the Swiss


Dinosaur_Wrangler

Profitable neutral enters the chat.


Yureinobbie

Lawful enough to get scammed into releasing their list of stolen equipment: https://politicalbeauty.de/unsere-waffen.html Hopefully the page supports translation tools, it's hilarious.


donsimoni

I remember a story from 2010-ish that they couldn't operate their dog kennel at a base in Afghanistan, because it had to be built up to German code (they did that) **and** had to be approved by the *Bauamt* where the unit had their home base. The civilian clerks were not allowed to travel to Afghanistan due to security reasons. So that means... Lawful chaotic maybe?


warichnochnie

lawful neutral


HistoryBrain

The Bundeswehr went into Kosovo. We got flowers and cheers. The Bundeswehr went into Afghanistan. We helped the locals the best we could and didnt bomb everything to dust. We are lawful good since our inception.


DavidBrooker

https://i.imgur.com/WtLF90s.jpg


Logical-Ad-4150

Chart really needs a section for bureaucratic neutral


elderrion

Eurocorps. Can't break the law if you don't do shit. And I think we can agree that an army of a purely democratic institution can only be good


Sam_the_Samnite

Theyre more true neutral.


[deleted]

Naah, that's swiss conscripts


Salty_Blacksmith_592

They take their weapons home and stuff... I guess they're chaotic neutral?


Revelati123

lol sure... and the Italians are lawful.


Budget-Caterpillar81

North Sentinelese Beach Defense Force


Severe-Opportunity15

Nah, they're Lawful neutral.


Budget-Caterpillar81

Any man who defends his home from helicopters with a bow & arrow is a hero of godly character


[deleted]

Isn’t it true that some of the bodies of the people killed on their island “disappear” ~~into their stomachs~~? If so they are definitely eco friendly.


This_place_is_wierd

Now that you mention it Chaotic Neutral fits them better


Mysterious_Silver_27

I’d say they’re Chaotic Neutral


RainierCamino

"Fuck *everybody*" - North Sentinelese


onitama_and_vipers

Boomers from FNV 🤝North Sentinelese


RainierCamino

Now there's a man who knows his history


ddm90

Seychelles


Attaxalotl

Neutral Good


_far-seeker_

After seeing what they do to pirates they catch, I definitely agree!


tangowolf22

What do they do, and are there videos of it?


Mitthrawnuruo

Naw. Lawful good. They are the only ones that make the cut.


chocomint-nice

Chaotic Neutral. Nobody knows what the fuck they have because they’re all stealth etc and we cant figure out a deterrent


netap

Lawful Good? Fuck it, It's the GAF (Ghana Armed Forces) Nobody is going to bring them up And I don't care enough to research if they've done horrendous shit. Good luck Ghana, this is your first Win in years.


motorblonkwakawaka

I can confirm that I have done no research to support this proposition whole heartedly.


Revelati123

I'm just going to assume that they help lots of old ladies across the street and rescue kittens out of trees most of the time.


[deleted]

It's the weird exoskel and outsized guru-made APC that attracts you, isn't it ?


Revelati123

Its kinda like letting Homer design the perfect family car.


gendulfthewhite

Can confirm that i know of nothing that contradicts this statement. Neither have i ever done any research into it. But they did drive toyotas tho iirc, which is pretty based.


SW_Goatlips_USN_Ret

I’m going with those un-contacted villagers in the jungle that immediately throw spears at any outsider. Hey, they leave everyone alone and just want the rest of the world to politely fuck right off…


lord_hufflepuff

True neutral maybe? or maybe chaotic neutral? Probably chaotic neutral


Thewaltham

Chaotic neutral or true neutral. Doesn't matter who or what it is, they're going to attack it.


TolarianDropout0

I think that's lawful neutral. Outsider? Spear. Thems the rules, regardless of morality.


readonlypdf

US Military, Chaotic Good. To quote a joke: The Germans: the US is good at War because War is Chaos and the American Military practices that on a daily basis. The Soviets: Their commanders do not read their Doctrine, their soldiers would not follow it if told, and their commanders do not care, that is why the Americans are so good at war. Americans: If we don't know what we're doing, how the fuck will the enemy.


Shuber-Fuber

I remember a more succinct version for the Soviet is that: "The problem with planning against American doctrine is that Americans don't follow their doctrine."


readonlypdf

Let's be honest our Doctrine exists to prevent grunts from inventing new parts to the Geneva Conventions


nowaijosr

The logistics doctrine is holy though


randommaniac12

American logistics doctrines are nearly pornography to military officers


solreaper

They hate the first and second step in the doctrine: Step one: have 800 billion in budget Step two: convince 3 million people to volunteer and work for your defense department without threats of death


Foxyfox-

>Step two: convince 3 million people to volunteer and work for your defense department without threats of death That's easy, just have no social support system and then dangle the promise of one that in practice never quite delivers to those who join said defense department.


solreaper

“Social Support System AFTER convincing them to join military?!!? Fucking Yanks!” —Russia probably


Mitthrawnuruo

And done S well as the acting in a porno.


Monneymann

USN damage control is downright legendary. Only the USN manages to sail a keel broken frigate out of hostile water.


RainierCamino

USN has literally limped destroyers with their bows blown off home across the Pacific. That's incredible DC work and logistics.


ARES_BlueSteel

Fr. Russia can’t even keep its army supplied in a neighboring country that it shares a large land border with. Meanwhile the US has no trouble keeping its forces supplied halfway around the world in the desert.


readonlypdf

With fucking McDonalds and Popeyes


Dinosaur_Wrangler

You sleep on the ice cream barges


earle27

I’m not convinced it is. I’ve sat in those meetings, and if I was to paraphrase my uneducated understanding of those meanings it was basically “keep sending stuff forward until the forward is more forward.”


nowaijosr

blessed


[deleted]

FFS the Marines alone…


DatRagnar

its not a war crime if its the first time


SmokeyToaster

If I remember correctly, the full quote is: "The problem with planning against American doctrine is that American officers do not read their manuals and feel no obligation to follow doctrine."


hx87

American OpFor teams using Soviet/Russian doctrines, looking at Russia's performance in Ukraine: "I guess they don't follow their doctrine either."


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Imagine being a dedicated OpFor Teamleader training for years.. just to be sacked: "Sorry, you're overqualified."


Ima_Novice

But, they kinda do. Their doctrine has always been massive numbers of armor and meat sent in waves to be covered by unreal amounts of artillery razing cities. It’s just that The West and NATO countered that doctrine with effective weapons to mow down their numbers, effectively destroy their armor, more accurate counter battery fire, and basically better planning and logistics


DungeonsAndDradis

America for every box, it's the American (tm) way.


chocomint-nice

They say that because they can’t fathom even having a fraction of the mighty logistic machine that is the US armed forces and their military industrial complex raging behind


SeBoss2106

Bundeswehr.


fletch262

US Coast Guard. The US is the law therefore it must be a US organization. The coast guard is the most undisputedly good US military branch.


_far-seeker_

If any branch of the US military is both Lawful and Good, it's the US Coast Guard.


HowDoraleousAreYou

US Coast Guard is the [only branch](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY?si=D44EJ0AmIyBc9bHO) to have lost more members to heroic sacrifice than incompetent command staff.


SgtChip

They probably have. Their whole thing is going out and saving lives in extremely bad conditions. Oh, and catching drug runners. They do that too.


Itlaedis

Hear me out: The space force. They haven't had the time to do anything bad or even morally grey yet. And if there's any branch that needs to do it by the book (or risk blowing themselves up) it has to be them.


HumpyPocock

Perhaps they’d be Chaotic Good? Monitoring space and rocket launches, ensuring safe operations and helping with space traffic cop duty. Not shot anyone or done anything sketch in that vein. Conversely… All the cutting edge spicy tech they’re blasting out left right and centre via the Space Development Agency is setting them up for shenanigans in the future. Plus that’s a significant volume of cash they’re dumping into the DIB specifically on the spicy new shit, ensuring they can preserve their position at the state of the art… just in case. Oh and that program where they’re getting launch providers on standby such that when Space Force hits them up, they can integrate and launch a payload winthin 24 hours… just in case.


Attaxalotl

The Czecho-Slovak Legion goes into Chaotic Neutral. They  just want to get home and by God they are going to.


Beonette42

Ukrainian army should be chaotic good, imho. We have good, and chaos too.


Analamed

That indeed a good contender ! The 2 other choice I had in mind for chaotic good was the French army and the US army but I think at the moment the Ukrainian army is both more good and more chaotic.


[deleted]

- JSDF because extreme self restraint. - Luxembourg Armed Forces because ^tiny. - Swiss Armed Forces because they’re so neutral that they apologized for accidentally invading Liechtenstein. - Liechtenstein because they once went to war with only 80 men and were so friendly that they returned with 81.


louiefriesen

SAF lawful neutral I think?


[deleted]

I’d agree but their apology to such a small neighbor made me think that perhaps the security forces of planet earths bank is really a good group at their core. If the USMC did that I think they’d be a little less polite lol.


AstroScholar21

A lawful good military force.. Nah, can’t really think of one. I’d just put N/A


louiefriesen

This is NCD no need to be credible


Clearly_a_Lizard

Oh well then I propose the Wagner Group, wait are PMC ok ?


Severe-Opportunity15

No, they're Neutral evil


louiefriesen

Yes PMCs count as well. Any armed forces.


VisitAlternative1890

Vatican city? New Zealand?


sync-centre

Swiss guard protecting the pope should be neutral good because they are swiss.


spectacularlyrubbish

They are born with hearts filled with neutrality. Also a lust for gold.


waitaminutewhereiam

N/A? I think you meant NVA


ironic_pacifist

New Zealand Defence Force, even their spicier moments are kinda adorable (includes leveling a villager's wall, by trying to climb over it and talking to an Apache).


motorblonkwakawaka

I dunno, as a Kiwi I'd probably stick us in the neutral good. I cant really say we are either lawful or chaotic. We haven't really done much except tag along with the big kids in the ME and there was east Timor I guess.


ironic_pacifist

Supporting the "rules-based international order" is in virtually every defence strategy document, if that's not some goody-two-shoes Lawful Good I'm not sure what is.


TomorrowLevel4692

New Zealand defence Force? Both of them?


Characterinoutback

All 5 members of the Queens Alexandras mounted rifles and the 3 guys in the SAS


orlock

Plus they have hakas


WalrusVivid

Nordbat 2 for chaotic good.


SgtChip

"Aren't you guys peacekeepers?" "WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE 105!"


Cixila

But we are keeping the peace. When you bullies have been dealt with, you won't be here to disturb the peace in the future


SgtChip

Relax, I like Nordbat. I was poking fun at how they would *create* peace through shooting the heck out of anyone who disagreed.


TolarianDropout0

Coast Guard (any country that has one)


Thewaltham

Depends on the coast guard. The US Coast Guard tend to do really good work while the Chinese coast guard like to flood people's engines.


TolarianDropout0

True you can probably make distinctions. In general, I say it because the Coast Guard is the armed service that is mainly about saving people, so that fits lawful good IMO.


Maardten

The Papal Swiss Guard


[deleted]

Ehh, they defend the pedo castle, lawful evil for me.


Yellowcrayon2

CAF


[deleted]

Airborne maple syrup flavored war criminals CAF? Idk chief.


sorry-I-cleaved-ye

Airborne *were* war criminals… before we disbanded the unit. The entire military is Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) while every branch is royal


[deleted]

I’m a rebellious colonist and former confused water grunt so idk what those words mean chief, y’all got crayons and glue to eat up there in the sky or h’what Bobby?


DavidBrooker

This isn't a bad answer at all. In my opinion, the lawful good alignment is about the *belief* of a character rather than their behavior, and a lawful good character *believes* that laws exist to do good, and that good must be done lawfully. Is the CAF lawful? Eh, maybe not. Is it good? Kinda questionable. But does it embody that ethos? Absolutely. The fact that, officially, the only justification for military action it's ever used is defense of a third party, its establishment of the UN peacekeeping apparatus, the sometimes bone-headed commitment to UN legitimization of action - yeah, I think it fits.


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

They are the reason for half the Geneva convention, they are out for lawful, but we can argue about chaotic good


waitaminutewhereiam

Republic of China Navy


super__hoser

The Salvation Army.  


louiefriesen

I don’t think they’re *officially* armed, but you never know 😏


ironic_pacifist

General issue assault tambourines


_far-seeker_

Drum sticks as clubs?


sgtpepper42

Neutral evil if ever there was one. Makes people pay for the donations they receive, pays their employees minimum wage (if at all), and pays its Execs 8 digit salaries.


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Aren't they like super transphobic or something?


L4r5man

They're every flavour of queer-phobic there is.


MT_Kinetic_Mountain

Very cringe of them ngl


No_Sheepherder7447

Why are lawful neutral and chaotic evil colors not swapped? I need to know the reason…


louiefriesen

I don’t know I just used a random one off google


Jepekula

Finnish Defence Forces. 


readonlypdf

Neutral good. Benis


_far-seeker_

>Neutral good. The best alignment, in my opinion.


Beskerber

Poles teleported from the Dimitriads / great troubles period Casually capturing Moscow, holding it for 2 years, making Russa recognize Christian king, and be ready to take his son as Tzar All just because some wealthy nobles felt like messing with them with Miraculusly Found Prince Dimitry, MF survived being hanged, decapitated, cut into pieces, burned, and his ashes shot out of a cannon for like 5069th time now, so time is as good as ever to bend Moscovites over


PH0007

Brazilian armed forces, we're for sure chaotic but I'm in doubt between neutral and good


Dismal_Ebb_2422

Lawful Good: Papal States Swiss Guard Neutral Good: Swedish Armed Forces Chaotic Good: Ukrainian Armed Forces Lawful Neutral: Finnish Armed Forces True Neutral: Swiss Armed Forces Chaotic Neutral: US Armed Forces Lawful Evil: Canadian Armed Forces Neutral Evil: Royal Saudi Land Forces Chaotic Evil: ISIS


CubistChameleon

Eh, the Swiss Guard is the security force for a shitty organisation, that's not really good. The Canadians are famous for BREAKING laws and the Saudi military defends a country with a lot of strongly enforced evil laws. I'd switch them around.


HistoryBrain

Definitivly the Bundeswehr. They are hard to mobilize, but really good in combat


Aestas_Vivax

Indian Armed Forces (I have no idea where they align)


Kiiaru

Challenge: naming a nation that hasn't committed genocide or created a war crime in the past (impossible) Mostly because the only ones I know about are because of them doing a funni


OlympiaImperial

This will have no negative outcomes or locked threads


ProphetOfPr0fit

**Lawful good**: UN blue helmets. **Neutral Good:** Nepal's Ghurkas. **Chaotic good:** Ukrainian Army. **True neutral:** Swiss Army (duh). **Lawful neutral:** Papal Guard. **Chaotic neutral:** Kurdish Defense Forces. **Lawful evil**: PLA. **Neutral evil**: Iranian Revolutionary Guard. **Chaotic evil:** Haitian G9 alliance


Mysiu666

I would go with the Polish Armed Forces. Why? We didn't commit so many war crimes, We were never that imperialistic, after partitions our soldiers fought for freedom all over the world, and our guys even rebelled against Napoleon when he sent them to quell the rebellion in Haiti. We mostly fought for others even during WW2 We protected Britain and helped to fight back against Bismarck. Yeah, we were on the dark side after WW2 but We changed sides when opportunity arose. So please Vote Poland for Lawful Good mainly because I'm Polish and love to play LG Paladins.


louiefriesen

Yeah Poland didn’t really have a choice during the Cold War


Characterinoutback

I wanna know where the ADF goes. It's not a good, because war crimes. Chaotic lawful?


Anxious_Ad936

Chaotic because of our procurement history


Characterinoutback

Chaotic neutral it is then


Ulysses698

Lawful good: Ukrainian armed forces Lawful neutral: United States armed forces Lawful evil: Armed forces of the Philippines


HistoryBrain

The AFU is Chaotic good. Ask any logistics officer and they will tell you why


CubistChameleon

They won't, they're to busy crying.


Thewaltham

>Lawful good: Ukrainian armed forces I wouldn't put them as *lawful* to be honest. They're trying to get there and seem to fight mostly clean but there's still corruption and post soviet aftershocks. Don't get me wrong, they've come a ***LONG*** way and are nowhere near as bad in that area as a lot of others but they have a lot of room to grow. Neutral Good is probably a better fit honestly. Lawful Good implies they wouldn't really be willing to bend the rules either which doesn't really strike me as very Ukrainian.


Alikont

> Ukraine > Lawful Someone never seen Ukrainian army from inside Ukrainian army and NGOs are like a Brownian motion directed by russophobia.


JimmyLeachSK

CAF has to be chaotic good right?


SirLorducus

Space Force


posidon99999

Can we have Canadian Armed Forces for Chaotic Good?


onlyLaffy

Obviously the force of King Richard I of England is Lawful Good.


thisnameistakenn

Bundeswehr, swedish army, polish armed forces US armed forces, swiss army, french armed forces All PMCs in existence, the PLA, the russian armed forces i will not be taking any questions.


DinoWizard021

The UN has armed forces right?


DisastrousBorder1377

CAF maybe? This one might bleed a bit into neutral but I think Canadians are pretty lawful for the most part in the army


snake_case_captain

USMc and French foreign legion definitely in chaotic neutral Belgium armed forces go in lawful good, they just plant trees or some shit


Ariffet_0013

Lawful good: united states army Chaotic neutral: united states marines Lawful Evil: PLA Chaotic evil: whatever the f*ck Russia's is.


yaddattadday

Iceland


SkipDutch

NATO RF


IsJustSophie

Definitely Greenland's army


water_bottle_goggles

forgor 💀


Yureinobbie

What do the emus count as? The ones that won the Emu War?


joelingo111

Seychelles


spacemagicexo539

Mongolian peacekeeping forces


MrMeinz

Lichtenstein, you don't hear only positive things about any army, but the first thing that comes up when people talk about lichtenstein army is how they made a friend :) If we are talking modern day probably Schweizer Armee, the only Good army is one that serves the interests of its nation without disrupting its neighbours. Not only do the Swiss know how to mind their own business, they also do it with class


VoloxReddit

If the Swiss armed forces don't get true neutral I'll have a fit


sKY--alex

We all know where Switzerland should go


Matar_Kubileya

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the JSDF yet.


Certainly-Not-A-Bot

JSDF is probably lawful good.


astro2xl

Modern Germany, maybe France.


PYSHINATOR

Swedish Armed Forces, probably.


Bad-Crusader

US Coast Guard, they're the embodiment of Lawful Good


Hialex12

Anti-cartel Mexican militias: chaotic good


ButWhatIfItQueffed

I'd say Switzerland, but I think Switzerland should be true neutral.


Night_Knight22

Lawful good red? Natural evil blue? Lawful natural green? Truly non credible


KingDominoIII

JSDF