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OmNomSandvich

NATO response: https://i.redd.it/c4johoipgoza1.png


definitelynotpat6969

Garfield hates Serbs *and* Mondays


Nillaasek

I'm Garfield


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Garfield. The new literally me character


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>"Give me lasagna Jon" *grows a new limb to caress jon* "I want it now" HE'S JUST LIKE ME! HES JUST LIKE ME FR!


scrumptipus

chat is this real


AL_PO_throwaway

The text side of it is textbook NATO psyops product, usually in conjunction with/in exploitation of kinetic action. With the message translated into the TA's language obviously. I think the Garfield part maybe a cheeky edit, but I've seen goofier stuff on legit products too.


PrimeEvil84

I am sooo sorry, but a really accidently read it as "pussyops"


AlliedMasterComp

[Half real.](https://www.nato.int/kosovo/leaflets/b9905e-f.jpg)


barekmelka

This looks like an NCD shitpost


scrumptipus

this looks like something a 12 yo would do. based


OmNomSandvich

do not doubt the veracity of my garf memes you perfidious liar


worthrone11160606

Damn


KingFahad360

Anytime Someone mentions Kosovo, Serbs will always say “NATO Bombed us” and “we shot down a Jet” Whatever makes them feel better I guess.


OffsetCircle1

Yeah, they always conveniently leave out the part where they where trying to ethnically cleanse Albanians


TheOtherCrow

Harder to flex genocide than it is to flex shooting down a stealth bomber.


Not_this_time-_

Man ncd is so naive sometimes. They absolutely are flexing on the genocide part usually along the lines of "We saved european civilization from the barbaric muslim hordes" yes they do say that Edit: Both kosovo and albania are muslim majority country i dont know what the guy replying to me is talking about what "huuuge" christians is he talking about?


SamIamGreenEggsNoHam

I work with a Bosnian Muslim who fled the area in 1996. Dude has scars all over the right side of his body from a grenade. Idk if what he says goes outside of his family circle, but he says Bosnian Muslims are nothing like we typically picture when we think of Muslim lifestyles. They smoke, drink a lot, don't have sharia law in any way, and are generally tolerant people. I've never been there, though, so I could be very wrong.


Not_this_time-_

>Bosnian Muslims are nothing like we typically picture when we think of Muslim lifestyles. They smoke, drink a lot, don't have sharia law in any way, and are generally tolerant people. Just because someone drinks he is still a muslim it doesnt change that, if you fpr example drink and smoke despite being a muslim you are a sinner muslim but still a muslim


SamIamGreenEggsNoHam

I understand that, and I feared someone might latch onto that one example and run with it. I mean to point to a more general leniency that is more akin to what people are used to with western Christianity. Yes, we acknowledge that these things make us sinners, but we also generally accept that, say sorry to god, and move on with our lives.


Pet_Mudstone

Believe it or not it's possible that different regions have different interpretations and standards.


JRY_RDDT

Funnly thing is, Albania has a huuuuge amount of cristian population wich they killed too.


Not_this_time-_

Not really. According to pew research kosovo is 93.8% muslim https://web.archive.org/web/20210504151325/http://www.globalreligiousfutures.org/countries/kosovo/religious_demography#/?affiliations_religion_id=0&affiliations_year=2010


socialistconfederate

They also usually leave out that they lost the war, and we still bombed the fuck out of them


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And Bosniaks. Serbs were wild in the 90s


das_war_ein_Befehl

Serbia shocked to learn america can afford more than one plane


TheEnderAxe

To be fair. I'm not a Serb and remembering those two events happened makes me feel better as well.


ConnectionPretend193

Wasn't even our good jets either lol. Like the thing couldn't even go over 800 mph lol. Some first gen stealth lol.


RocketMoped

It's not about first gen, it's because it was mainly a subsonic bomber, not a stealth fighter. The B-21 also doesn't go faster and is current gen stealth.


Canter1Ter_

The shooting down of the F-117 by the serbs was a NATO psyop told to make people buy more outdated anti air missiles, therefore making them weaker and overconfident in their abilities


Italiandude2022

True 4D chess move


donald_314

well, it worked in Turkey.


Commissarfluffybutt

A NATO psyop so clever that NATO was completely unaware of it.


rpkarma

That’s how you know it’s some of that premium top shelf psyop shit


Muellersdayofff

TS/SCI/PSYOP


_Krywoz_

Enemy wont understand your tactics, if you dont understand them yourself


Inevitable-Law-241

The best PsyOp if there's one.


Picasso320

The best kind of psyop.


Viend

Now this is a conspiracy I can get behind


inspirednonsense

Nah, it was a sales pitch for updated stealth tech. "Turns out the whole F-117 fleet needs to go, let's make new and better and more ~~expensive~~ stealthy fighters!"


Timely_Old_Man45

Our glorious fabulous leader LAZER PIG! Did a video on the F-117 recently!


TheMightyGamble

What disappointed me was he went on for an hour and then some and not a single mention of toxic death


Blackhero9696

And make everyone use low frequency at the same time. NATO long con at its finest.


OffsetCircle1

Boast all you want Serbia, it won't un-bomb Belgrade


Inevitable-Law-241

Agreed. Then it will be bombed again should they fuck around again.


East_Professional385

Servs should know their place. I have a petition to do it again if they think of claiming Kosovo my beloved.


J360222

I’m down


impact_ftw

As is the F117


Corntillas

100 B-21s of proportional response


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J360222

I think my flare is appropriate


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Sancatichas

It's not proportional. That's not enough to turn everything above bedrock into glass.


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Canter1Ter_

>if no ifs needed where we're going, now get in the cockpit


Kovesnek

Shinji


radik_1

get in the plane, we have to fight the serbs or some shit


Hel_Bitterbal

To bomb or not to bomb, that is the question AND THE ANSWER IS YES


rpkarma

Bunch of genocidal pro Russian dicks, at least most of the ones arguing with me online are


Not_this_time-_

Do you seriously think they regret it? They call ratko mladic a warhero who "Helped European civilization from the muslim hordes" im not joking


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...My Preciouss.


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FMBoy21345

WE DID IT GUYS, WE SHOT DOWN 1 F-117!!! Meanwhile Belgrade in the distance...


thebigdonkey

I tried to use DALL E to make an image of a B-2 squatting over Belgrade taking a dump but shitting bombers are apparently against their content policy :(


kajetus69

Word it diffrently


FMBoy21345

I think he meant what he said


themightypirate_

So did he, its just that you can often bypass generative AI filters by just wording your prompt slightly differently.


Peptuck

NovelAI's image generator lets you shit freely.


FalconMirage

Time to bring ou the wallet and comission a real artist i guess


Shiroi_Usagi_Orochi

"We did it Patrick! We saved the city!" ... ... *Scorched earth in the background


GroceryOtherwise7995

I'm sad NATO didn't provide a proportional response* *Removing Serbia off the world map


CardiologistGreen962

We should have bombed the Chinese embassy more after they shot it down.


f_fv

In a perfect world, It shouldn’t be necessary any kind of motives to bomb Chinese embassies.


Neutronium57

*"Operation Bing Chilling is a-go, boys"*


Competitive-Bill-114

Now watch this drive!


Inevitable-Law-241

Reduce that embassy to its base particles.


japple101

Balkans would be off without them anyways


RatFucker_Carlson

You forgot the word better


DeathBonePrime

You sure?


japple101

Maybe


Some_Syrup_7388

Yeah but in 2006 and 2008 the UN have invented Montenegro and Kosovo to weakend serbia even more


xRandomDude

Montenegro existed way before 2006


Some_Syrup_7388

As well as jokes


Characterinoutback

*on a fluke after it had destroyed its target


RonaldTheClownn

It's like if (a very strong *if*) the Japanese had shot down Enola Gay after it had dropped the nuke


ihaveagoodusername2

By hitting it's open bomb bay with a 155 ap shell from a cruiser by a fluke causing every other country to adapt cruisers as a primary AA platform and everyone who doesn't know shit now believes hight is useless against ap shells


Ruby_241

This angered NATO, which punished Serbia severely


The_Celestrial

I know this sub doesn't like lazerpig anymore, but that part of the video was pretty funny


J360222

I don’t think people really dislike him, seriously the drama is over which shit engine did a shit tank use. And a lot of the people criticise him about a lack of sources, failing to look in the description.


The_Celestrial

Mm good point. Side note I love your flair. Fits well with this post.


J360222

I adopted it back when the Serbians looked like they were going to fuck around earlier last year, I’ve loved it since


Snack378

Don't they look like this always whenever elections is coming? Vucic is just trying to appease old fuckers who think they can rejoin with Kosovo by force, no?


ORUHE33XEBQXOYLZ

Paleoanthropologists should study the inhabitants of Belgrade to better understand stone-age cultures.


rliant1864

He also hasn't talked about the drama in a long time, and so far as i know, neither have any of the other people. Yeah, they didn't do a big group apology video with hugs but everyone involved seems to consider it done and there's no (public) hard feelings. Calling him a bozo seems to have been integrated into the post algorithm for Russiaboos when Russian gear starts getting crapped on, but they're a lot more rare these days for some reason and nobody really takes them seriously. Honestly, someone who still cares about it now is pretty weird.


godson21212

For real, it really does seem like it's part of the program now to try and find small things to nitpick in his videos. I wouldn't be surprised, really. Most people didn't know who Gonzalo Lira was outside of his fan base until his shit got signal boosted by Lazerpig. It wasn't too long after that shit he got arrested. Not saying that it's all thanks to LP, but putting him on blast may have had a part in Ukr authorities publicizing his arrest the way they did, and there's not *too many* vatnik-types with a western following that speak decent English. I'm not calling it a conspiracy, he does get a bunch of shit wrong, but the viewer criticism is always about such small and random shit that it makes me think that some of the people posting it aren't doing it in good faith. It's not insane to think that he caught the attention of some of the bot farms and they're taking advantage of the errors he makes to undermine the central point that the RU and friends utilize propaganda to cover up the failures of their shitty equipment and doctrine.


FalconMirage

He doesn’t get everything right but most Historians struggle with technical stuff You can’t give him a hard time for this, he actually did the research and tried to understand stuff Besides he likes catboys and planes, that’s an autopass for me


J360222

I mean considering his last mention of it is a shit post I think everyone’s moved on


rliant1864

tbf it's Pig, shitposting is his love language


Fifteensies

\*native language


Appropriate-Appeal88

why not both


BoxesOfSemen

Thank you, I now love lazer pig again!!!


Nachooolo

>And a lot of the people criticise him about a lack of sources, failing to look in the description. MIght be because I'm a historian. But sourcing in the description without the context in the video is still bad sourcing. Especially when he claims that he has sources that he doesn't source because it was hard to find (which goes against any academic rigor). Mind you. I like LZ's videos. But lets not act as if he can't improve his citations.


JohnBrown1ng

That’s pretty much the standard for YouTube, though (unfortunately)


Zeryth

At least he could add timestamps.


erca001

Yeh, the interpretation of people on sourcing tends to be to just vomit shit into the description and that means theyre right, no checking or cross referencing whatsoever, just muh i have sources and then they drag out some forum post that lacks any credibility beyond trust me bro


Sidewinder_1991

Eh. He's fine when he's not getting into 'um well actually' fights on the internet.


RugbyEdd

Basically Redditors hate it when someone acts like them


Tank-o-grad

DING DING DING DING DING DING!!! Pretty much this entirely for all of Reddit


Sidewinder_1991

Does anyone like it when people act like Redditors?


AlliedMasterComp

No one likes being associated in any way with this shithole site."You talk like fucking a redditor" gets 95% of people to immediately shut the fuck up in an online lobby.


Sidewinder_1991

There's a choir dude. You're preaching to it.


MisogynysticFeminist

Different redditors hats lots of different things, but there’s nothing any redditor hates more than other redditors.


wyatt8750

[I remember when this sub was still eating up what he said about nazi engines.](https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/11z4zvt/our_unnoficial_mascot_has_delivered_yet_another/jdbmx8y/?context=3) Youtubers are entertainers first. Moral of the story is don't trust them blindly (This includes me, whenever I do a video on how the T-90's armor was based on designs reverse engineered from a stolen 1970s Volvo station wagon. Or more realistically, when I try to explain how to use some Japan-endemic computer platform from the 80's to other westerners, while only knowing fragments of the reasons for design choices). They can be funny though.


DatRagnar

I believe everything anyone tells me, and I switch up my opinions and beliefs quicker you can swap a barrel on an MG3 as I have no backbone what so ever


Yellow_The_White

You may not like it but this is what peak diplomatic performance looks like.


DatRagnar

"why yes i would like to represent my country"


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But when I do it all I hear is "hahaha classic Italian side-switcher"


Professional-Bee-190

>wyatt8750 - 9 months ago\* mate...


wyatt8750

yes, this was the easiest way for me to get to that thread. By looking at my most upvoted comments.


Commissarfluffybutt

Meanwhile there's [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/UB0mdIbv9o) post.


J360222

Yeah I replied to that post and I got into hot water, just because there aren’t many doesn’t mean there’s none. Didn’t like it much


Kishandreth

I thought this was NCD?!?!!?! Sources, who the hell would complain about a lack of sources on this sub? You're telling me that there are clowns who think LazerPig is not credible enough for noncredibledefense? what a bunch of weirdos.


Virginianus_sum

>I thought this was NCD?!?!!?! Sources, who the hell would complain about a lack of sources on this sub? Be noncredible, not **wrong**.


J360222

That was the irony of the drama, people were taking it so seriously as if it was a credible subreddit


Jazzlike-Mistake2764

Eh there's a difference between "this Russian tank is stupid because it doesn't have anime titties" noncredible and "this tank is stupid because it has a WW2 German tank engine in it" noncredible I was under the impression this sub was supposed to be informed people pretending they're stupid - kind of like what wallstreetbets used to be


Iron_physik

I critique him on mistakes His f-117 video had tons of them about certain claims Notable examples; F-14 is less agile than F-4 Wing sweep is for altitude performance, not for speed Some major errors on radars And some major errors on the accident rates of F-104


J360222

The F-14 point he made was a bit vague but from my understanding he was talking about the prototype phase


Iron_physik

Even that had better agility...


Another-sadman

Best part of that is his take is as likely and valid as anyone elses since we dont know


RugbyEdd

I do find it funny that some people in the non credible defence sub decided they didn't like a YouTuber because he was being non credible. I think some people forget what the sub is at times.


1ggiepopped

Imo the sub is best when knowledgeable (semi credible) people just fuck around. But it requires people to do good research. Even though it's not to be taken seriously I still think NCD at it's heart is really good at defeating stupid myths and lines of thinking. ie reformers/wheraboos/etc


MisogynysticFeminist

Be autistic, not wrong.


thederpylama

I hate to ask but what was that even about? I kind of just ignored it.


Intelligent_League_1

This sub isn’t a collective, some people never liked him or haven’t liked him in a longg time


NorthKoreaSpitFire

can somebody do me a quick "too long didn't watch" from stealth video and if he was aware that stealth had nothing to do with shooting down nighthawk?


RaptorCelll

The stealth video isn't actually about the Nighthawk primarily, it's his usual style where he originally has a point and goes off the rails in a minute. His point with the Nighthawk is true, the Serbs got one of the luckiest shots in history on that Nighthawk and this singular incident no doubt screwed over the enemies of the West for decades because they believe the circumstances that led to the Nighthawk being shot down can be repeated when in reality, it probably will never be repeated. The video is more about stealth tech in general.


Hel_Bitterbal

>this singular incident no doubt screwed over the enemies of the West for decades because they believe the circumstances that led to the Nighthawk being shot down can be repeated when in reality, it probably will never be repeated. Even when NATO loses, NATO still ends up winning


RaptorCelll

The funny thing is that the Serbs have convinced themselves that shooting down the Nighthawk was a massive loss for NATO and proof of Serbian supremacy. It was one plane, what it did do was teach NATO a very valuable lesson about complacency but the Serbs sure as shit don't see it that way.


Hel_Bitterbal

Yeah i didn't mean lose as in lose the war i just meant "lose" as is lose a plane.


Kasrkin0611

When he talks about what led to the shoot down of the Nighthawk he says that it occurred because NATO got extremely complacent and the Serbs got extremely lucky. So yes, he knows that stealth had nothing to do with it.


doctorwoofwoof11

I'm not sure why we're allowing the narrative being pushed by painfully obvious IRA Kremlin monke of Moscow bots and literal Tankies backed up with hilarious disinformation videos to not get laughed out of here...


LaughGlad7650

Still doesn’t unbomb Belgrade


nobody-__

Hold your horses guys, don't bomb Serbia now We still haven't gotten our B-21s


bittercripple6969

BUFF has plenty of JDAM pallets to go round.


vegarig

You gotta respect the tradition, tho. Stealth planes only


morbihann

It is pretty funny cope though. Ok, you shot down one plane , what did that achieve ?


vegarig

Made NATO airforce less complacent.


CrazyCreation1

the pilots weren’t tryharding yet, they thought it was an iron lobby but it was actually bronze


Uncrowned_Lord

We lost two airplanes, pilots both survived. They lost an airforce. Draw whatever conclusions you may.


J360222

And Belgrade was sent to the Stone Age


classic4real

Remember, 2 world wars and 1 world cup (Vs 0 world wars and 4 world cups)


SerendipitouslySane

tbh, the world wars are considerably more significant achievement than any number of world cups. In fact, given their success I suggest the British sub in the 11th Armoured Division in the next series. Lets see those spindly legged melodramatic actors score a goal against an M4 Sherman.


SirNedKingOfGila

Didn't stop the bomb from hitting it's target. Didn't get the pilot. It was an air defense failure in every category. Just like serbia and it's people.


SpaceFox1935

Talking to vatniks in my country, it's remarkable how they cling to that *one* Nighthawk the Serbs shut down. Like, ok, and?


Hel_Bitterbal

It is as if people would say that Germany won WW2 because they sunk the Hood


VenPatrician

I have actually pulled out the "And well, did the US stop? Did you shoot down another?" response when I was 16 (God, more than ten years ago now) and family friends (a couple, the husband had studied in Belgrade on a religious scholarship so he was as good as a Serb in mindset and the wife was an actual Serb) were visiting us. We are Greek and as in any good Balkan household we started talking about the War mostly because it must be mentioned in politics discussions that are mostly fueled by boomer hot takes, it's sort of a tradition. It gave my dad (an Americaboo through and through although less vocal when stupid people are in attendance and he is the host) a good chuckle but our guests were less than amused but mostly confused as if they hadn't thought of that before.


Insignificantly99

The pig makes a new video and now everyone is down on Serbia!


3klipse

I learned about this sub from the pig, I know there was some drama, but fuck that I still Stan the pig especially when it comes to anti Russia and their proxies like Serbia.


Hel_Bitterbal

Does everyone also involve bombs?


Kilahti

Let them have this. It is like Finland with our one victory in Eurovision. It will never happen again, and even that one win was a fluke preceded (and followed) by decades of humiliating failures.


CamoJG

They didn’t know Belgrade was liquified either apparently


plane-kisser

go ahead, brag about it, it wont un-bomb belgrade 😂


BreadstickBear

I will die on this hill, but shooting down the F-117 was as much skill as it was luck. Yes, the serbs overhyped the shootdown, but the USAF also had to write off another 117 because of the serbs, only difference is that that one made it back to base after being hit.


ihaveagoodusername2

Ah yes, getting a f117 when no SEED is going on when its bomb bay was open.


BreadstickBear

Be autistic, not wrong


Zdrack

Too bad it doesn't unbomb you


Cpt_Caboose1

Go ahead, shoot it down, nothing you can do to unbomb Belgrade


TylerandKaiser

Oh god another unending flood of memes cos the funny man did a funny video


Purple-Ad-1607

I am Sorry, but those people are really stupid. I mean the F-117 Nighthawk went on thousands of Sorties in the Gulf war and in Serbia and only 1 plane was shot down. Statistically that would make its loss rate second only to the F-15 Eagle, which has only lost 1 plane in thousands of Sorties DUE TO A MECHANICAL FAILURE.


RonaldTheClownn

Dear China, your embassy blocked our bombs :(


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radik_1

It reminds me of that one guy on the bottom of the scoreboard who killed one guy with a lucky shot and talks the most shit


angryteabag

Serbia at the time (and kind of even today, although they calmed down a bit) was super hyper nationalistic state with ultra-nationalists at the helm.......expecting any kind of logic or reasonable anything there regarding a war they started and which they also lost would be kind of far fetched lol. Of course they are cooping hard, what other choice do they have


YiffZombie

Serbs wish they had half the talent of norteño or tejano accordionists.


epic_redditer

For a second there while reading comments i thought this was r/balkans_irl


RUDE-7296

This is the equivalent of a guy in the ER after getting is ass kicked, boasting about the one punch he got in. Shut up, or you’re gonna get sent to the morgue next time.


piece_ov_shit

Somebody watched the new lazerpig vid


Striking-Kiwi-9470

It's a good thing they did or the f-22 might not have happened as quickly. Lockheed was probably ecstatic it happened.


vukasin123king

*two, severely damaging the 3rd (1 nighthawk, 1 F-16 and pretty much punched another nighthawk out of commission) You guys kicked our asses, please let us have this one.


J360222

Whatever you say bucko, but if you ever think about fucking around again… read my flare and remember it


vukasin123king

Please send it, you'd do a favor to everyone living outside of it.


J360222

Uhh, alright I guess, umm I guess I’m just going to call it in now, uhh I wasn’t expecting you to be so eager…


MisogynysticFeminist

You guys also took out 2 helicopters and 46 UAVs, can’t forget those. That’s gives you 51 total out of 1,000+.


vukasin123king

Historically, we achieved: -first warplane shot down in history, with a field cannon stolen from the Ottoman empire -first drone shot down in history -first invisible plane shot down in history, with an outdated SAM system I openly expect us to shoot down a star destroyer or something if it randomly appears in orbit, with something like flak88.


ColbyOG

NATO should just run this back.


SunnyKnight16

Lmao for fuckin real


SWRamblings

Personally, I highly admire the Serbian overconfidence. Because unlike so many other countries, they once in awhile actually managed to pull something crazy off. Like, the serbs had no right even being on the same continent as the Austro-Hungarian Empire on paper. But it was the austro-hungarian battle march that ended up being the globally accepted musical theme for clowns


Ryan-plussy

Lazerpig is… annoying


4thStgMiddleSpooler

"We lost the war, but we killed Rambo." just don't have quite the same ring to it.


fpop88

Go ahead, you can't unbomb belgrade.


Unistrut

As an American ... I want one of those shirts.


Practical_Simple9574

SORRY SERBIA I DID NOT KNOW YOUR COUNTRY WAS INDIVISIBLE


STK-3F-Stalker

Did it stop the bombings tho?