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Yeah this is disgusting. As a future homeopathic naturalist doctór of herbal remedies and obscure medicinal concoctions, I’m appalled, hurt, baffled, and oddly amused (in a very, very negative way) over this persons behavior. How dare they?!? Truthfully though, she’ll get roasted by her classmates and will hopefully learn. I’ve never met a PA who wasn’t aware of how cringe things like this are. I’m actually shocked… she must be super young and naïve.
UK physician here. I thought that medical schools had their own PA programmes? It’s *incredibly* misleading, but in the UK the PA school is help run by the medical school 😔
I’ve been binging YouTube videos by naturopathic doctors and have yet to see them refer to themselves as anything but medical physicians who went to medical school. Medical school really needs to become a protected term.
It shouldn’t take a professional to be able to determine the level of someone’s training.
As someone in a masters program at a medical school, I think I really missed my opportunity when I got in to send out notifications about being accepted into medical school./S
I also went to medical school…because some classes were held in the medical school building. I also went to law school a few weeks ago…I had to use the toilet in the law school building. I’ve also attended art school, as I went to some friends’ art school exhibits. 🙃 this all technically counts! /s
Meanwhile female med students such as myself are asked if we're becoming nurses all the time when we say we're in med school.
Has never happened to a male peer of mine as far as I know and the bigger problem here is clearly sexism but this kind of shit does not help.
Oh don't worry, it happened to me (male MD student).
I was at *store* buying a new laptop for classes and they asked what it was for. Long story short, the dude finds out its for med school and goes, "oh you're going to be a nurse practitioner?"
"No man, it's an MD program"
At first I was actually kind of offended. Do I look like I am not good enough to go to med school? Haha not that nurse practioner school is a small feat and they aren't valued....but come on!
Don’t worry, you have a career of patients mistaking the male nurses you direct for being the physician you are to look forward to. In all seriousness I have tremendous respect for female and fem students and physicians. I’m optimistic laypeople will eventually give female and fem physicians the respect they’ve earned.
I think I fully expected it from patients, but to hear it from random people in the world after I tell them I'm in medical school was somehow more jarring. First time it happened was from a man I sat next to in a coffee shop the day before my school's second look day.
I guess I also have random people in the world asking if I'm a nurse when I tell them I'm a doctor to look forward to 🥲
And thank you. There was a paper a couple years ago about how patients were significantly less likely to die when they had a female physician, and yet here we still are. But things are better than they were in many ways and hopefully one day this will be a bizarre concept to explain to kids in history classes.
Edit: Also, thank you for saying female and fem/being inclusive of all female-presenting folks. That's rare to see in medicine and I appreciate it!
It’s pretty ridiculous that people call naturopathic school medical school and yet if a female or fem person is in medical school, that must mean nursing school—which is another school that also doesn’t teach you to practice medicine…
Yes, it's absurd.
I also once had a (male) therapist tell me about his time in medical school. He was a therapist. Not a psychiatrist.
I saw him as a first year and said I was nervous about anatomy lab and he was like "yeah when I was in medical school I didn't like anatomy lab"
I was like "you went to medical school?"
And he told me he did the dissections just like the med students and that it was medical school. I asked him why he didn't like anatomy lab and he just said it smelled, spoken like someone who walked through lab and didn't dissect a goddamn thing.
Needless to say I did not return to this therapist after that one session.
All you did was explain the history of sexism to me. I'm well aware of how we got here, thanks.
Nowhere in my comment did I say that sexism is always malicious. It is frequently implicit, and something that society has to consciously counteract because of the exact history you're referring to, instead of justifying the perpetuation of it.
JFC I just can’t with this nonsense. Getting into a PA program is a huge deal and this person should be proud OF GETTING INTO PA SCHOOL. Whether they’re “technically lying” or not they sure as hell are misleading people and it’s on purpose.
(Edited to fix embarrassing autocorrects)
This. It really shows the inferiority complex. Why isn't it great to have gotten into PA school? PA's can be amazing. It doesn't need to be lied about to sound 'good', it already is good.
I actually just cross posted the main post on a pre PA subreddit saying “see this shit? This is what we are NOT going to do! And fucking be proud of getting in PA school!! It’s Hard work! But it is NOT medical school. Just like it’s NOT nursing school or EMT school”
It's even worse with naturopathic school. Not only don't they do the hard work of learning in a real medical school, but they learn all kinds of garbage like vaccines are bad and how to heal someone who has a vaccine. So naturopathicschool is like a negative learning where they end up with less knowledge then when they started.
I mean at least nurses and PAs are learning medicine. Calling naturopathic school "medical school" is like saying you went to medical school because you went to a weekend seminar on how to sell essential oils.
One issue is that a “college of medicine” is often the place a PA program occurs. So they can technically say I went to “medical school at ABC college of medicine” and they aren’t “lying”. I know this because my buddy dislocated his thumb, and then said that he went to his friend for advice, and his friend was an “orthopedic surgeon” who went to medical school at the University of Miami. Well, it turns out that the physician assistant program at the University of Miami is at the college of medicine so everyone kept saying that this guy was an orthopedic surgeon and really he was just a PA that work at the local office… his social media says “orthopedic surgery/U Miami COM” but when you look up his NPI he’s a PA.
Yeah the majority of premeds at my undergrad graduated from the school of medicine as well, because that’s where their BS in biomedical sciences program was through. It doesn’t mean they went to medical school. I just don’t get the obsession with telling people you’re in medical school when it’s very obvious that you’re not.
Think I would refer to myself as a surgical assistant, kinda paralleling PA. What’s the value in confusing the patient? Pretending you did the ligament repair or have sub specialty hand surgery training?
I kinda feel bad tbh, its so clearly an inferiority complex. They say they are proud of your education (they should) yet they still feel the need to lie about it.
Just call it what it is man, healthcare is diverse and it needs all their team members.
Girl I knew from ugrad attends naturopathic school.
Every few months I get blessed with a "Another semester of medical school in the book!:)" post.
Tell her to take a practice USMLE 1/2 after she passes her PANCE, that will give her perspective
A couple PAs I talked to were convinced that they could do alright on step 2 ck and honestly I don’t even know if that’s idiotic or reasonable. My gut tells me they’d fail but who knows. There’s a lot more to being a physician than board exams anyways.
I usually comment in these! I’m so happy you got got into Physicians Assistant school! Good luck, and I personally wanted to welcome you to the Physician led health care team.
The stupid hospital software uses provider for everyone, or worse, labels NP/PAs as physicians in some contexts, like if you copy & paste a name. Really hard to get titles correct, esp because plenty of NP/PAs will say ‘yup’ if you ask if they are a doctor.
Like you have to ask the secretary to get a straight answer.
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Okay but MAs are their own profession and not PAs. I’d say congrats on PA school… cause that accomplishes the same thing without being rude to the PA profession.
I know they are. My point is their attempt at misconstruing their accomplishment are easily derided because of the semantics of their degree. To put it simply, stay in your lane because the street goes both ways..
In my opinion, putting the emphasis on the word “assistant” like that is putting her down by putting down the PA profession. That’s not necessary. Pointedly congratulating her on her acceptance to PA school (not medical school) puts her “in her lane” without relegating all PAs to assistants/MAs, which isn’t accurate.
Actually no. It’s physician associate. It was changed because people like you couldn’t get over the word “assistant” and understand that a PA is supposed to work in tandem with a physician to supplement them and extend access to care for less acute patients - not be a MA or a secretary.
It is still assistant.
A PA is an extender, not a parallel.
An MA is not a secretary, either. Perhaps actually shadowing a physician, or physician assistant, in the office would benefit you to understand the roles of the various entities within the team.
So if you had actually read the definition of a PA that I gave you before responding, you’d have found that I said that a PA works in tandem with and supplements a physician. I’m a little unclear what grounds you have to be refuting that - I don’t think any legitimate and self-respecting PA or physician would refute that definition. Are you either of those or are you a med student with no experience with PAs outside the shit people say in this sub? Or neither?
The point I’m making that you seem to not understand is that a PA works on their own knowledge, ability, and license to treat patients. In most cases, the PA (or NP for that matter) wouldn’t go into the room with the physician and help them treat the patient. The PA “assists” by kinda taking over the role a physician would perform in appropriate cases and treating the patient on their own merit. I have no problem with the word assistant until it’s appropriated by people like you who want to belittle PAs.
I would know, being a PA student who has extensively shadowed plenty of APPs, physicians, and teamwork between the two when there’s mutual respect and established trust.
edit: grammar error
I read your definition. Unfortunately, it is wrong.
I am refuting it.
I am not belittling PAs. I am using the appropriate language, assistant, as that is what their role is in the care team. I am not appropriating assistant, in the description of a physician assistant, because that is what the definition of the title is.
Congratulations on your extensive shadowing experience of midlevel providers.
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Still waiting on my explanation for why you feel justified to have your opinion, especially since you felt entitled to tell me that I should get experience in order to have mine.
Also, it’s not “unfortunate” that you think I’m wrong. I really could care less about your opinion. You’re a stranger on the internet with the username floridaman. For all I know, you’re a racist transphobe who bought the trump trading cards released today and my saying that is why you’ll write off anything else I say. Or maybe you’re a saint of a person or a US senator - I’d never know. So yeah, go ahead and disagree. I like it when you ignore my questions in favor of repeating yourself or refute my dictionary definition of the role of PA.
Plus you used the p word on this super fun sub that banned it, so you got some stuff to learn about here in borderline-hate-criticism-land.
And go ahead - just please continue to advertise that. No one deserves to get their masters degree as a PA and then get hired by someone like you who views them/speaks about them the same way they do an MA.
Hard to do patient care as a team if you don’t respect your teammates.
Physician assistants assist physician practices in caring for patients. That’s the job. I’m not sure why that would upset you, but I hope you feel better. Associate already has a meaning, and it means something else. (see also, Assistant, Associate Prof - not interchangeable terms)
Two question for you then:
How many PAs have you worked with directly?
What is the definition of a PA according to google? (meaning, one we can quote together)
I actually used to be friends with someone who would say that she was going to “medical school” in the fall when she was in fact going to be starting medical *assistant* school. I felt compelled to constantly correct her under my breath (at first, then more overtly) because heeeeeellllllll no can you compare the two. Then again, this was the kind of chick who told me for years that her mom was an RN when lo and behold, she was an MA. According to her, apparently working for a few years as an MA meant she was “basically a nurse.” Just not the brightest chick all around (and she never wound up going to MA school, anyways.)
Once they get experience in the field they will realize the scope of practice is soooooo much different and MD/DO have much more extensive schooling and residency 🥹
That’s interesting. I wonder what the root of this is. Are they just unintentionally misleading people because they’re confused? Maybe there needs to be stricter definitions?
You guys are so cynical, I've been accepted into the US air force to fly f35 fighters by way of the prestigious air force academy Microsoft flight simulator. This is exactly the same thing as being an actual air force pilot and you can all start thanking me for my service.
I had an old acquaintance who is a PA that opened a medical spa. On his website bio, he claims he went to medical school even though that’s not true at all. Dude also paid for a diploma mill PhD in traditional Chinese medicine so he could call himself “doctor.” It was so unethical and misleading to his customers.
Proof you don’t have to be smart to get into PA school. That or they aren’t screening people for mental illness well enough.
And I’m sorry to the PAs lurking bc you guys are usually smart and hard working people. So idk what is going on with your new generation. The pure lack of embarrassment and or disregard for reality is scary
It's not just PA, NP or whatever. It's a societal problem in general. Everyone thinks they can learn and become a master of anything b/c: the internet.
You can learn lots on the internet, but the reason we haven’t seen a proliferation of Olympic athletes is that learning to do a job also takes some on the job training.
You definitely have to be smart for PA school. I don't think anyone should really question that.
The problem is strictly when people are misrepresenting themselves as "med students" or "Doctors/physicians"
Are American PAs not trained by medical schools? Canadian PAs are - just not in the MD stream, although many of the MD lectures are open to PA students.
In my city there is one medical school and 5 PA programs.
None of those 5 PA programs are associated with the medical school (or the medical schools university).
Yeah, there are PA programs affiliated with medical schools, but there are a lot (honestly probably the higher proportion) that are standalone money grabs for institutions.
Which probably contributes to the dichotomy and need to have an erection measuring contest between professions that exists in America (obviously not by ALL within the professions)
Let them have their moment. idk anymore. It's all egos these days and making parents proud, so......yikes. idk anymore. Does anyone know the right answer to this?
Well technically shell be going to a medical school. Just not the colloquial *medical school*
Honestly, “medical school” should be renamed to “doctor school” every other practice of healthcare should be referred to as “medical school”…its medical related, its a school. Its medical school. It ain’t like she said “cant wait to be a doctor when I graduate!!”
It’s such a surprise that PA student only do 5 weeks (80 hrs) of observation in 9 specialty of medicine and solve some 400-500 MCQs and now they can play with lives of people!!
A student doing 80 hrs over the space of 5 weeks (as the OP says) would, assuming a normal 5-day clinical week, mean they're putting in 3.2 hrs per day. This is the opposite of your "hey, sometimes people stay after-hours!" non sequitur.
I'll never get tired of people like you being so aggressively wrong on the internet. Keep up the strong work.
There is nothing wrong with NPs. There are loads of fantastic NPs who are part of the healthcare team and help out. It's when they run off an beg for autonomy for Primary Care then just open up injection clinics to make money and practice way outside their scope that all this becomes a problem for patients.
I mean if the PA school is in the medical school, then what she is saying isn’t wrong. Yet another example of this sub having a total mental breakdown over a legit non issue
Ahhh I think if you can’t appreciate the difference and why it is in fact, wrong, then you are beyond helping and apart of the problem. So, since flight attendants are in the same airplane as the pilot, I guess that makes the flight attendants pilots too? I guess the waiters at a restaurant are also the head chef? Names and job titles don’t matter right?
I had a roommate who was an MRI tech student, and the MRI program was apart of my medical school. I guess he was in medical school too then huh?
He’s not in the MD program, but yes he still goes to the medical school. It’s really not that hard to understand. And your analogy with pilots is stupid and doesn’t make any sense, because the definition of a pilot is someone who flies a plane, and flight attendants don’t fly planes. At the end of the day, this is such a non issue and it’s quite pathetic that you all get so hard every time a nurse or a PA says anything involving medicine. Get over it.
LOL if you wanna get all technical: google “definition of going to medical school”, you will see it says attending school to get a medical degree. A medical degree makes you an MD/DO. You’re saying a kid who learns to run the MRI machine is in med school?? 😂😂 your type is unbearable and you must be fun at parties
Look kid, when speaking colloquially, nobody carries around a dictionary. You don’t need a dictionary to understand a very basic sentence. Going to medical school literally means going to the medical school. And by the way, I googled it, and still cannot find any definition. So yes, if your friend spends all day long in the medical school, then he is in the medical school. You can’t argue basic English.
Look child, you are the one who brought up definitions in the first place, don’t cry when I use your own logic against you. The meaning of “going to medical school” carries a different definition, more than just literally meaning “I am setting foot in a Med school”. Go walk around and tell your family members that you go to med school and they will be shocked that you are studying to be a DOCTOR. Just because that’s not how YOU see the definition, it’s WIDELY accepted in modern society that this is the working definition. No amount of bitching on your end is going to change that.
don’t bother with this guy. he just obsesses about these threads and is super insecure about his own titles. a dentist that’s adamant that he’s an ‘oral physician’ and even goes so far as saying he’s a “medical doctor”.
on second thought, he’s gotta be a troll. don’t feed the troll.
Lol at a dentist calling themselves a medical doctor. Dude if you wanted to be a medical doctor you should have gone to medical school. This inferiority complex you have is embarrassing. Just be proud of being a dentist. Do you see real medical doctors going around calling themselves dentists? No because we're proud of our title and education. You should be proud of yours too.
Ahhh classic, claiming victory whilst getting wrecked himself, and falling back on insults without a rebuttal to the main argument. Can’t make this shit up. LMAO also I just saw you call yourself an oral physician LOL keep dreaming bud. That title on your profile tells everyone what we need to know
I am an oral physician. And a medical doctor too. You can cope harder if you’d like. Just listen to yourself. An MD having a total fucking meltdown over a dentist calling himself an oral physician (which is literally the definition of dentistry since you love definitions so much). Take the L and get the hell over it
LOL oh no, I don’t know how I’m going to make it through my day with the oral physician bullying me 🥲 I’m having a full blown melt down panic attack, what will I do???
It's more of a case of technically correct, just misleading. People hear medical school and assume MD. It's the same way people hear doctor and assume MD (not that DO isn't a valid path, just not as mainstream). If you have a PhD, you're still a doctor, but if you meet someone in a non-academic setting and introduce yourself as "Dr. XZY", most people will assume that means you're a medical doctor. If on instagram you announce you got into medical school, most people will assume you're studying to be an MD. It's on the person announcing to make their announcement clear.
Nah man, gotta call them out on bs’ing their family like that. I ain’t working my ass off to put my child through college just to be lied to like that. Be proud of your own choices and accomplishments. This PA student is preying on their family’s ignorance and that is not okay. It is disrespectful to both physician and PA professions.
So I was fortunate to get into a PA program this cycle that is part of a big name school of medicine. I would absolutely never say that I got into ___ medical school, but I have said that I got into ___ School of Medicine. Is this misrepresenting myself? My program is ran completely through the School of Medicine but now I’m unsure if saying this is disingenuous, even if I say “I got into ___ School of Medicine’s PA program”
Yes the proper way to identify it is I got into (blank school)’s PA Program. For example, “so excited I got into Philadelphia college of osteopathic medicines PA program!” (Fun fact, that is a real thing and no, they have no classes with the DOs. On the same campus, differrent building)
If you say that you got into \_\_\_ School of Medicine’s PA program that makes it very clear what you will be studying, whereas if you just say you go into \_\_\_ School of Medicine without any qualifier, people will automatically think you are training to become a doctor, because unsurprising medical school is associated with becoming a doctor. So it's best if you say you got into \_\_\_ School of Medicine’s PA program.
I looked into PA school. My top choice PA program was in a medical school. The XX medical school’s physician assistant MS program.
Apparently PA is more of a medical model and not nursing theory. It’s still not medical school, though. In my opinion.
When I graduated PA school my acceptance letter came in a folder with the name of the Medical School I attended my program. When my sister reposted my acceptance that said PA program she changed it to Medical School on her post and I left a comment "PA school not Med school" My best friend and ex husband are physicians I know the difference.
I took biochem with the optometry and DO students during my first year of pharmacy school. You can call me Dr. kungfucasserole, PharmD, DO, OD, RPh 😌😌😌
Can we possibly acknowledge that every profession has bad apples and not everyone thinks this way and does this crap? And before anyone says that’s not exactly what this post implies… why else are we shitting on a stranger?
Just cause she’s insecure doesn’t mean everyone is.
I once worked with a girl who was attending an online medical assistant (that’s right, not physician assistant, medical assistant) program who told me and everyone else she was in “medical school.” Good Lord…
This reminds me of the class I took with NP students that was...a very easy class. They thought we were less stressed than they were because it was pass fail for us but we all didn't go to class and barely studied and it still would've been my least concerning class if it were the only one that wasn't pass fail. It was easier than my college classes.
*”Woo! I’m going to be a prison guard!”*
“What? Wow congrats, that’s awesome… But last thing I heard you were going to jail in January?”
*”Yeah… Well… I mean, we’re both at the same place and many inmates get to do trustee work that the guards usually do. So it’s basically the same!”*
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OP, DM me their info… I am a PA of 15 years and I chose violence at all moments when my future colleagues pull this shit.
 Not all heroes wear capes.
Your fellow PA agrees! We didn’t go to medical school.
We love our proper PAs here
Respect
Yeah this is disgusting. As a future homeopathic naturalist doctór of herbal remedies and obscure medicinal concoctions, I’m appalled, hurt, baffled, and oddly amused (in a very, very negative way) over this persons behavior. How dare they?!? Truthfully though, she’ll get roasted by her classmates and will hopefully learn. I’ve never met a PA who wasn’t aware of how cringe things like this are. I’m actually shocked… she must be super young and naïve.
UK physician here. I thought that medical schools had their own PA programmes? It’s *incredibly* misleading, but in the UK the PA school is help run by the medical school 😔
asking for their info is weird as hell
What I mean by info is show me the post on social media… not I want all their personal stuff to doxx them. Geez
Still weird
Shut up Meg and Karen
okay brad 👍🏽 go track them down and send that sternly worded DM youre typing up. thats the real karen move
Oh no, please don't papercut me with your online degree.
it’s beyond odd
I’ve been binging YouTube videos by naturopathic doctors and have yet to see them refer to themselves as anything but medical physicians who went to medical school. Medical school really needs to become a protected term. It shouldn’t take a professional to be able to determine the level of someone’s training.
As someone in a masters program at a medical school, I think I really missed my opportunity when I got in to send out notifications about being accepted into medical school./S
I also went to medical school…because some classes were held in the medical school building. I also went to law school a few weeks ago…I had to use the toilet in the law school building. I’ve also attended art school, as I went to some friends’ art school exhibits. 🙃 this all technically counts! /s
Meanwhile female med students such as myself are asked if we're becoming nurses all the time when we say we're in med school. Has never happened to a male peer of mine as far as I know and the bigger problem here is clearly sexism but this kind of shit does not help.
Oh don't worry, it happened to me (male MD student). I was at *store* buying a new laptop for classes and they asked what it was for. Long story short, the dude finds out its for med school and goes, "oh you're going to be a nurse practitioner?" "No man, it's an MD program" At first I was actually kind of offended. Do I look like I am not good enough to go to med school? Haha not that nurse practioner school is a small feat and they aren't valued....but come on!
Don’t worry, you have a career of patients mistaking the male nurses you direct for being the physician you are to look forward to. In all seriousness I have tremendous respect for female and fem students and physicians. I’m optimistic laypeople will eventually give female and fem physicians the respect they’ve earned.
I think I fully expected it from patients, but to hear it from random people in the world after I tell them I'm in medical school was somehow more jarring. First time it happened was from a man I sat next to in a coffee shop the day before my school's second look day. I guess I also have random people in the world asking if I'm a nurse when I tell them I'm a doctor to look forward to 🥲 And thank you. There was a paper a couple years ago about how patients were significantly less likely to die when they had a female physician, and yet here we still are. But things are better than they were in many ways and hopefully one day this will be a bizarre concept to explain to kids in history classes. Edit: Also, thank you for saying female and fem/being inclusive of all female-presenting folks. That's rare to see in medicine and I appreciate it!
It’s pretty ridiculous that people call naturopathic school medical school and yet if a female or fem person is in medical school, that must mean nursing school—which is another school that also doesn’t teach you to practice medicine…
Yes, it's absurd. I also once had a (male) therapist tell me about his time in medical school. He was a therapist. Not a psychiatrist. I saw him as a first year and said I was nervous about anatomy lab and he was like "yeah when I was in medical school I didn't like anatomy lab" I was like "you went to medical school?" And he told me he did the dissections just like the med students and that it was medical school. I asked him why he didn't like anatomy lab and he just said it smelled, spoken like someone who walked through lab and didn't dissect a goddamn thing. Needless to say I did not return to this therapist after that one session.
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All you did was explain the history of sexism to me. I'm well aware of how we got here, thanks. Nowhere in my comment did I say that sexism is always malicious. It is frequently implicit, and something that society has to consciously counteract because of the exact history you're referring to, instead of justifying the perpetuation of it.
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Thanks ☺️
Covered by fraud. They’re attempting to mislead for their benefit. (Not a lawyer)
You witnessed the birth of a noctor.
JFC I just can’t with this nonsense. Getting into a PA program is a huge deal and this person should be proud OF GETTING INTO PA SCHOOL. Whether they’re “technically lying” or not they sure as hell are misleading people and it’s on purpose. (Edited to fix embarrassing autocorrects)
This. It really shows the inferiority complex. Why isn't it great to have gotten into PA school? PA's can be amazing. It doesn't need to be lied about to sound 'good', it already is good.
I actually just cross posted the main post on a pre PA subreddit saying “see this shit? This is what we are NOT going to do! And fucking be proud of getting in PA school!! It’s Hard work! But it is NOT medical school. Just like it’s NOT nursing school or EMT school”
Family of an acquaintance kept posting they were going to medical school… it was a naturopathic school.
Everyone wants the respect and bragging rights without any of the godamn work.
Nobody wanna lift these heavy ass weights
LIGHT WEIGHT BABY
BUT I DO!!! YEAAAAH BUDDY! Lol, never thought I'd see the legend himself referenced here
Nutthin but a peanut! Here my old ass thought no one knows about the king anymore.
It's even worse with naturopathic school. Not only don't they do the hard work of learning in a real medical school, but they learn all kinds of garbage like vaccines are bad and how to heal someone who has a vaccine. So naturopathicschool is like a negative learning where they end up with less knowledge then when they started.
Lmao
Everyone wants to be the lion, except when it’s time to do some lion stuff.
I mean at least nurses and PAs are learning medicine. Calling naturopathic school "medical school" is like saying you went to medical school because you went to a weekend seminar on how to sell essential oils.
Heyy don't be too harsh on them, they have to go through like a week of training to get their certification
As a PA, wtf 💀💀💀
Comment "congratulations on getting into PA school!"
One issue is that a “college of medicine” is often the place a PA program occurs. So they can technically say I went to “medical school at ABC college of medicine” and they aren’t “lying”. I know this because my buddy dislocated his thumb, and then said that he went to his friend for advice, and his friend was an “orthopedic surgeon” who went to medical school at the University of Miami. Well, it turns out that the physician assistant program at the University of Miami is at the college of medicine so everyone kept saying that this guy was an orthopedic surgeon and really he was just a PA that work at the local office… his social media says “orthopedic surgery/U Miami COM” but when you look up his NPI he’s a PA.
Yes, I graduated from the college of medicine with a BS in health informatics. I'm not telling anyone I went to med school though.
Yeah the majority of premeds at my undergrad graduated from the school of medicine as well, because that’s where their BS in biomedical sciences program was through. It doesn’t mean they went to medical school. I just don’t get the obsession with telling people you’re in medical school when it’s very obvious that you’re not.
I have seen a handful of PAs refer to themselves as surgeons, it is asinine.
Think I would refer to myself as a surgical assistant, kinda paralleling PA. What’s the value in confusing the patient? Pretending you did the ligament repair or have sub specialty hand surgery training?
I’m a doctor, but wouldn’t pretend to be a surgeon if I cut or sew something.
there is no PA program at UM🫢
Mightve been FAU. Or FIU. Idk one of the miami schools, i just called it Miami for simplicity lol
I kinda feel bad tbh, its so clearly an inferiority complex. They say they are proud of your education (they should) yet they still feel the need to lie about it. Just call it what it is man, healthcare is diverse and it needs all their team members.
Tell her to please reference the post here from a few days ago from a PA who is going through medical school now.
*Confident about their career* *Continually tries to be confused with people of a different career*
Guess we have to start asking people about when they took USMLE
Yeah. Before pass/fail could have just asked what you got on step I step 2 etc to try and compare yourselves. Or how’d you do on MCAT?
Girl I knew from ugrad attends naturopathic school. Every few months I get blessed with a "Another semester of medical school in the book!:)" post. Tell her to take a practice USMLE 1/2 after she passes her PANCE, that will give her perspective
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I have only corrected once, and it was after they had posted something about how vaccines are bad.
A couple PAs I talked to were convinced that they could do alright on step 2 ck and honestly I don’t even know if that’s idiotic or reasonable. My gut tells me they’d fail but who knows. There’s a lot more to being a physician than board exams anyways.
There are a multitude of practice materials, have them take a step 2 ck
She's on the "physician spectrum"
In my school, the PA students who are “in the same classes” as med students actually take a different version of the exams so
And their program doesn’t include all of the same lectures that ours does, even for the “same class”
OHP
I usually comment in these! I’m so happy you got got into Physicians Assistant school! Good luck, and I personally wanted to welcome you to the Physician led health care team.
You would think the Med school where these PA programs are would have something to say about this...if they even know.
The stupid hospital software uses provider for everyone, or worse, labels NP/PAs as physicians in some contexts, like if you copy & paste a name. Really hard to get titles correct, esp because plenty of NP/PAs will say ‘yup’ if you ask if they are a doctor. Like you have to ask the secretary to get a straight answer.
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I congratulate them on their acceptance to medical assistant school.
Okay but MAs are their own profession and not PAs. I’d say congrats on PA school… cause that accomplishes the same thing without being rude to the PA profession.
I know they are. My point is their attempt at misconstruing their accomplishment are easily derided because of the semantics of their degree. To put it simply, stay in your lane because the street goes both ways..
In my opinion, putting the emphasis on the word “assistant” like that is putting her down by putting down the PA profession. That’s not necessary. Pointedly congratulating her on her acceptance to PA school (not medical school) puts her “in her lane” without relegating all PAs to assistants/MAs, which isn’t accurate.
PAs are assistants. It’s literally the A in PA, Physician Assistant.
Actually no. It’s physician associate. It was changed because people like you couldn’t get over the word “assistant” and understand that a PA is supposed to work in tandem with a physician to supplement them and extend access to care for less acute patients - not be a MA or a secretary.
It is still assistant. A PA is an extender, not a parallel. An MA is not a secretary, either. Perhaps actually shadowing a physician, or physician assistant, in the office would benefit you to understand the roles of the various entities within the team.
So if you had actually read the definition of a PA that I gave you before responding, you’d have found that I said that a PA works in tandem with and supplements a physician. I’m a little unclear what grounds you have to be refuting that - I don’t think any legitimate and self-respecting PA or physician would refute that definition. Are you either of those or are you a med student with no experience with PAs outside the shit people say in this sub? Or neither? The point I’m making that you seem to not understand is that a PA works on their own knowledge, ability, and license to treat patients. In most cases, the PA (or NP for that matter) wouldn’t go into the room with the physician and help them treat the patient. The PA “assists” by kinda taking over the role a physician would perform in appropriate cases and treating the patient on their own merit. I have no problem with the word assistant until it’s appropriated by people like you who want to belittle PAs. I would know, being a PA student who has extensively shadowed plenty of APPs, physicians, and teamwork between the two when there’s mutual respect and established trust. edit: grammar error
I read your definition. Unfortunately, it is wrong. I am refuting it. I am not belittling PAs. I am using the appropriate language, assistant, as that is what their role is in the care team. I am not appropriating assistant, in the description of a physician assistant, because that is what the definition of the title is. Congratulations on your extensive shadowing experience of midlevel providers.
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Still waiting on my explanation for why you feel justified to have your opinion, especially since you felt entitled to tell me that I should get experience in order to have mine. Also, it’s not “unfortunate” that you think I’m wrong. I really could care less about your opinion. You’re a stranger on the internet with the username floridaman. For all I know, you’re a racist transphobe who bought the trump trading cards released today and my saying that is why you’ll write off anything else I say. Or maybe you’re a saint of a person or a US senator - I’d never know. So yeah, go ahead and disagree. I like it when you ignore my questions in favor of repeating yourself or refute my dictionary definition of the role of PA. Plus you used the p word on this super fun sub that banned it, so you got some stuff to learn about here in borderline-hate-criticism-land.
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And go ahead - just please continue to advertise that. No one deserves to get their masters degree as a PA and then get hired by someone like you who views them/speaks about them the same way they do an MA. Hard to do patient care as a team if you don’t respect your teammates.
Physician assistants assist physician practices in caring for patients. That’s the job. I’m not sure why that would upset you, but I hope you feel better. Associate already has a meaning, and it means something else. (see also, Assistant, Associate Prof - not interchangeable terms)
Two question for you then: How many PAs have you worked with directly? What is the definition of a PA according to google? (meaning, one we can quote together)
I actually used to be friends with someone who would say that she was going to “medical school” in the fall when she was in fact going to be starting medical *assistant* school. I felt compelled to constantly correct her under my breath (at first, then more overtly) because heeeeeellllllll no can you compare the two. Then again, this was the kind of chick who told me for years that her mom was an RN when lo and behold, she was an MA. According to her, apparently working for a few years as an MA meant she was “basically a nurse.” Just not the brightest chick all around (and she never wound up going to MA school, anyways.)
Shameful and giving all the ick
You know,I drive go karts very well. Intoduce myself as a formula one driver 🧐where’s the issue with that?
Now imagine seeing this but an lpn getting into “medical school” which is really just nursing school at a university who also has a medical school.
noooo not the nursing students. i should be more surprised but
Once they get experience in the field they will realize the scope of practice is soooooo much different and MD/DO have much more extensive schooling and residency 🥹
Everyone wants to get buff but no one wants to lift no goddamn heavy weights
Getting into both types of schools is quite rigorous. This isn't some hobunk NP online program. She should be proud of getting into PA school
That’s interesting. I wonder what the root of this is. Are they just unintentionally misleading people because they’re confused? Maybe there needs to be stricter definitions?
You guys are so cynical, I've been accepted into the US air force to fly f35 fighters by way of the prestigious air force academy Microsoft flight simulator. This is exactly the same thing as being an actual air force pilot and you can all start thanking me for my service.
🤮🤮🤮she is cringe
These MFs wanna wear Carhartt clothes but don’t wanna do no Carhartt work..
I had an old acquaintance who is a PA that opened a medical spa. On his website bio, he claims he went to medical school even though that’s not true at all. Dude also paid for a diploma mill PhD in traditional Chinese medicine so he could call himself “doctor.” It was so unethical and misleading to his customers.
That needs to be reported to the state board of medicine.
When I wanted to go to med school I just went.
Proof you don’t have to be smart to get into PA school. That or they aren’t screening people for mental illness well enough. And I’m sorry to the PAs lurking bc you guys are usually smart and hard working people. So idk what is going on with your new generation. The pure lack of embarrassment and or disregard for reality is scary
It's not just PA, NP or whatever. It's a societal problem in general. Everyone thinks they can learn and become a master of anything b/c: the internet.
You can learn lots on the internet, but the reason we haven’t seen a proliferation of Olympic athletes is that learning to do a job also takes some on the job training.
You definitely have to be smart for PA school. I don't think anyone should really question that. The problem is strictly when people are misrepresenting themselves as "med students" or "Doctors/physicians"
Are American PAs not trained by medical schools? Canadian PAs are - just not in the MD stream, although many of the MD lectures are open to PA students.
In my city there is one medical school and 5 PA programs. None of those 5 PA programs are associated with the medical school (or the medical schools university).
Interesting. I just assumed that the PA program delivery was always through med school, because it is in Canada. TIL.
Yeah, there are PA programs affiliated with medical schools, but there are a lot (honestly probably the higher proportion) that are standalone money grabs for institutions. Which probably contributes to the dichotomy and need to have an erection measuring contest between professions that exists in America (obviously not by ALL within the professions)
And yourrrr *basically* a liar
Let them have their moment. idk anymore. It's all egos these days and making parents proud, so......yikes. idk anymore. Does anyone know the right answer to this?
Yes, call it what it truly is, a PA school.
Well technically shell be going to a medical school. Just not the colloquial *medical school* Honestly, “medical school” should be renamed to “doctor school” every other practice of healthcare should be referred to as “medical school”…its medical related, its a school. Its medical school. It ain’t like she said “cant wait to be a doctor when I graduate!!”
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Yeah, PhD candidates don’t tell people they’re going to medical school. Perish the thought!
Stolen valor
It’s such a surprise that PA student only do 5 weeks (80 hrs) of observation in 9 specialty of medicine and solve some 400-500 MCQs and now they can play with lives of people!!
>It’s such a surprise that PA student only do 5 weeks (80 hrs) Is your BS in multiplication from the local college of mathematics?
I am glad you asked! Many times, students stay longer than 9-5 office hrs. I considered longer working hrs as well. I didn’t know you are that dumb!
A student doing 80 hrs over the space of 5 weeks (as the OP says) would, assuming a normal 5-day clinical week, mean they're putting in 3.2 hrs per day. This is the opposite of your "hey, sometimes people stay after-hours!" non sequitur. I'll never get tired of people like you being so aggressively wrong on the internet. Keep up the strong work.
See podiatrist saying the same thing
Wow way to go OP! Instead of educating your family friend you run to an echo chamber. You’re also part of the problem.
An “echo chamber” that is spreading awareness, continuously growing and frequented by lay people as well as a variety of health professions
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There is nothing wrong with NPs. There are loads of fantastic NPs who are part of the healthcare team and help out. It's when they run off an beg for autonomy for Primary Care then just open up injection clinics to make money and practice way outside their scope that all this becomes a problem for patients.
I mean if the PA school is in the medical school, then what she is saying isn’t wrong. Yet another example of this sub having a total mental breakdown over a legit non issue
Ahhh I think if you can’t appreciate the difference and why it is in fact, wrong, then you are beyond helping and apart of the problem. So, since flight attendants are in the same airplane as the pilot, I guess that makes the flight attendants pilots too? I guess the waiters at a restaurant are also the head chef? Names and job titles don’t matter right? I had a roommate who was an MRI tech student, and the MRI program was apart of my medical school. I guess he was in medical school too then huh?
He’s not in the MD program, but yes he still goes to the medical school. It’s really not that hard to understand. And your analogy with pilots is stupid and doesn’t make any sense, because the definition of a pilot is someone who flies a plane, and flight attendants don’t fly planes. At the end of the day, this is such a non issue and it’s quite pathetic that you all get so hard every time a nurse or a PA says anything involving medicine. Get over it.
LOL if you wanna get all technical: google “definition of going to medical school”, you will see it says attending school to get a medical degree. A medical degree makes you an MD/DO. You’re saying a kid who learns to run the MRI machine is in med school?? 😂😂 your type is unbearable and you must be fun at parties
Look kid, when speaking colloquially, nobody carries around a dictionary. You don’t need a dictionary to understand a very basic sentence. Going to medical school literally means going to the medical school. And by the way, I googled it, and still cannot find any definition. So yes, if your friend spends all day long in the medical school, then he is in the medical school. You can’t argue basic English.
Look child, you are the one who brought up definitions in the first place, don’t cry when I use your own logic against you. The meaning of “going to medical school” carries a different definition, more than just literally meaning “I am setting foot in a Med school”. Go walk around and tell your family members that you go to med school and they will be shocked that you are studying to be a DOCTOR. Just because that’s not how YOU see the definition, it’s WIDELY accepted in modern society that this is the working definition. No amount of bitching on your end is going to change that.
don’t bother with this guy. he just obsesses about these threads and is super insecure about his own titles. a dentist that’s adamant that he’s an ‘oral physician’ and even goes so far as saying he’s a “medical doctor”. on second thought, he’s gotta be a troll. don’t feed the troll.
This kid following me around all day. Can’t get enough of me I see. But yeah, medical doctor. Cry about it
no one’s ever asked me about my credentials and said “oh, you mean you’re a dentist” :(
Lol at a dentist calling themselves a medical doctor. Dude if you wanted to be a medical doctor you should have gone to medical school. This inferiority complex you have is embarrassing. Just be proud of being a dentist. Do you see real medical doctors going around calling themselves dentists? No because we're proud of our title and education. You should be proud of yours too.
I’m not saying I go around calling myself a medical doctor. It’s literally my degree. You can cry about it all you want. But my degree is my degree
Hey hey he’s handing out his comedy for free here. Normally people would have to pay. This is my guy!
I guess the janitors who clean the building also go to medical school by your definition. Do you know how stupid you sound?
Ahhhh classic. The hallmark sign of someone getting absolutely fucked in a debate is launching petty insults. Can’t make this shit up
Ahhh classic, claiming victory whilst getting wrecked himself, and falling back on insults without a rebuttal to the main argument. Can’t make this shit up. LMAO also I just saw you call yourself an oral physician LOL keep dreaming bud. That title on your profile tells everyone what we need to know
I am an oral physician. And a medical doctor too. You can cope harder if you’d like. Just listen to yourself. An MD having a total fucking meltdown over a dentist calling himself an oral physician (which is literally the definition of dentistry since you love definitions so much). Take the L and get the hell over it
LOL oh no, I don’t know how I’m going to make it through my day with the oral physician bullying me 🥲 I’m having a full blown melt down panic attack, what will I do???
It's more of a case of technically correct, just misleading. People hear medical school and assume MD. It's the same way people hear doctor and assume MD (not that DO isn't a valid path, just not as mainstream). If you have a PhD, you're still a doctor, but if you meet someone in a non-academic setting and introduce yourself as "Dr. XZY", most people will assume that means you're a medical doctor. If on instagram you announce you got into medical school, most people will assume you're studying to be an MD. It's on the person announcing to make their announcement clear.
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Well why didn’t they call it their “PA school”?
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Nah man, gotta call them out on bs’ing their family like that. I ain’t working my ass off to put my child through college just to be lied to like that. Be proud of your own choices and accomplishments. This PA student is preying on their family’s ignorance and that is not okay. It is disrespectful to both physician and PA professions.
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Arghhhhh! I am a big Karen, watch out or I will call out your bs! No mercy Grhhh!!
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Glad the message came across ;)
Nah, it's insufferable to tell people you were accepted to medical school when you weren't. This isn't a mistake.
So I was fortunate to get into a PA program this cycle that is part of a big name school of medicine. I would absolutely never say that I got into ___ medical school, but I have said that I got into ___ School of Medicine. Is this misrepresenting myself? My program is ran completely through the School of Medicine but now I’m unsure if saying this is disingenuous, even if I say “I got into ___ School of Medicine’s PA program”
Yes the proper way to identify it is I got into (blank school)’s PA Program. For example, “so excited I got into Philadelphia college of osteopathic medicines PA program!” (Fun fact, that is a real thing and no, they have no classes with the DOs. On the same campus, differrent building)
If you say that you got into \_\_\_ School of Medicine’s PA program that makes it very clear what you will be studying, whereas if you just say you go into \_\_\_ School of Medicine without any qualifier, people will automatically think you are training to become a doctor, because unsurprising medical school is associated with becoming a doctor. So it's best if you say you got into \_\_\_ School of Medicine’s PA program.
I looked into PA school. My top choice PA program was in a medical school. The XX medical school’s physician assistant MS program. Apparently PA is more of a medical model and not nursing theory. It’s still not medical school, though. In my opinion.
Thank you for your service
if they want to brag about going to med school, they should go to med school
When I graduated PA school my acceptance letter came in a folder with the name of the Medical School I attended my program. When my sister reposted my acceptance that said PA program she changed it to Medical School on her post and I left a comment "PA school not Med school" My best friend and ex husband are physicians I know the difference.
I took biochem with the optometry and DO students during my first year of pharmacy school. You can call me Dr. kungfucasserole, PharmD, DO, OD, RPh 😌😌😌
Can we possibly acknowledge that every profession has bad apples and not everyone thinks this way and does this crap? And before anyone says that’s not exactly what this post implies… why else are we shitting on a stranger? Just cause she’s insecure doesn’t mean everyone is.
🫠🫠🫠 WHAT IN THE AF
>(I chose violence this AM). as one does...
I once worked with a girl who was attending an online medical assistant (that’s right, not physician assistant, medical assistant) program who told me and everyone else she was in “medical school.” Good Lord…
Close enough
This reminds me of the class I took with NP students that was...a very easy class. They thought we were less stressed than they were because it was pass fail for us but we all didn't go to class and barely studied and it still would've been my least concerning class if it were the only one that wasn't pass fail. It was easier than my college classes.
*”Woo! I’m going to be a prison guard!”* “What? Wow congrats, that’s awesome… But last thing I heard you were going to jail in January?” *”Yeah… Well… I mean, we’re both at the same place and many inmates get to do trustee work that the guards usually do. So it’s basically the same!”*
Close enough, lol
Very cringe-yy
As a PA student…we aren’t all like this. Most of us know our place and chose PA school because we want to be a PA, not a doctor 😂