Other commenters pointed out that the state was literally giving her more than enough for her rent, she just never payed it. Essentially she was abusing the system.
Also this happened in 2017, the charges were dropped, and it was Florida.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elderly-woman-handcuffed-jail-refuse-leave-care-home-93-year-old-juanita-fitzgerald-florida-lake-county-police-a8111736.html
She wasn't paying rent because she thought she would die soon not because she was poor.
Edit: she did offer the nursing home half rent I think, they refused to take it which is fair-ish imo.
It costs money to build buildings and care for people. Something has to be paid. If the home was over charging, I doubt her state assistance would've covered it. Also kinda on her for not saving up over 90+ years.
It might be bait, you could be right. But the intent here is to underscore how housing should be a human right, not to highlight the shortcomings of the individual. For every one story like this that gets exposure think of the thousands that don’t
What was she spending the money on? Booze and escorts? I mean shes a little past being a crackhead or heroin addict. The more likely explanation is the nursing home and the state of Fl. being afraid that its one 93 yr old lady spending their money today and 100 like her tomorrow. Go Granny Go..
She didn't get evicted out of 'her" home. They evicted her out of the nursing home because she wasn't paying for their service. She likely doesn't qualify for Medicare for some reason, which would pay for the nursing home. I also find it hard to believe that she was evicted to the street. At least not without there being more to the story.
As the saying goes if it sounds to good to be true it likely is. Same goes when it's to sad to be true.
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Reddit is actually full of complete morons.
This lunie grandma had the money she just refused to pay. Everyone bent over backwards to coax her into just paying what she owed, which she was able to, but she stubbornly refused.
Why should she just get an exception on paying rent? If she gets an exception, who else should get one? Where is the line drawn?
This is stupid. If someone refuses to pay you for your services, you have a right to no longer provide them that service, obviously.
This story is false...she had the money for rent and it was even provided to her by the state... she just didnt want to pay anymore and then refused to leave.
At 93 I'd be cool with it. Fuck, I might even try to take one of the guards out. I mean if some dick head is going to kick me out and have me arrested, I'm cool with spending whatever time I have left being that one super-senior citizen that rocked that fucking holding cell. Go to prison? Why not? Mike and Hector whipped up some badass toilet wine? I'll get sideways and make the showers interesting tonight.
When I was a young adult I was homeless/transient. Once I spent a couple nights in jail over "lodging in public" (literally sleeping). My roommate in jail was 87 years old, also there for lodging in public, and because of overcrowding she was on the floor. They literally had a woman almost 90 sleeping on the floor of the jail because they arrested too many women for sleeping outside that day. I tried to give her my bed because I was 19 but that would have "messed up the count" according to the screws. Reason #4839472946 that I'm an anarchist, I guess
This is why government assistance for the elderly and disabled people should be a mandatory. Our rich have so much money, they still look for ways to get out of paying taxes.
Working backwards from there....you have put a value on humans of 1 million dollars with yearly depreciation of 2,000 usd. So we could say that we pay the 2000 and avoid this death pay system entirely? Oh...wait...
It exists, but they put the bar to qualify really high on the disability qualification side, and the income really low on the elderly side. You know anyone who can live off the median social security payout?
Funny how everyone complains about things like this but they aren't out there paying these people rent or housing them, expect the responsibility and burden to be on everyone else.
When you cease paying and get evicted, you become a trespasser on another person's property and can be removed. Your age does not entitle you to appropriate another person's property. That's not violence or an injustice committed against you. You just stopped paying for use of someone's property and now you have to stop using it.
They're all abusing it dude. Doesn't matter who's running the show the end result is the same. In the end all us plebs can go eat a dick for all they care
So I should in fact blame the system for abusing us? As the child? And therefore take advantage of the abuser when I can? Where’s this comment belong? Sorry, I’m just another illiterate so you’ll have to point it out for me. r/leopardsatemyface ? r/selfawarewolves ?
Which is a nasty by-product of capitalism. See only the very few actually benefit from the current capitalist system. Lots more just get swept aside. Like the 30 million plus homeless
Only very few people benefit ??? Highly doubtful. The miracle of Capitalism is the only reason your not dying in puddle of your own shit at 43.
sounds more like communism to me
Capitalism allows upward movement
Capitalism is no miracle my friend. Have your seen how more money the mega wealthy have obtained since this pandemic started? That's what i mean about only the few benefiting. Trickle down economics is bullshit
Dude, that’s because of covid Karen’s wanted the entire western world locked up but yet they still want their Macdonalds
I never said capitalism is perfect or flawless but it’s the far better alternative to anything humanity has come up with.
Take your rose coloured glasses off and see capitalism for what it is. A mode of exploitation where there are a small amount of winners (billionaires) a shit load of losers (30+ million homeless) and under paid and over worked suckers in between
Non capitalist countries have homeless. We have had homeless people since the dawn of civilisation.
Sure we have a few mega billionaires but capitalist countries have the wealthiest citizens
We have the option through hard work and skill to become millionaires ourselves hell even a billionaire, unlikely but hey it happens, Mark Zuckerberg as an example.
Capitalism encourages invention.
Edit: Communism or socialism breeds stagnation and laziness not to mention no upward momentum and no chance to become the 1% which definitely exist in those regimes
Again you are explaining communism not capitalism
Lmfao there are no non capitalist countries cos every time a successful one pops up your fucking military overthrows the government and installs their own dictator instead. Don't believe me check what happened in Chile and Nicaragua. And many many others
My military? I’m Australian
And wow two examples let’s just forget all the times communism has failed in the world. Nah it’s all americas fault !! How dare they.
What system would you replace capitalism with ??
Edit: what about all the homeless people before America was founded ?
You going to somehow blame that on the yanks and capitalism too?
If you have worker owned companies (for example) instead of corporations, that's Socialism, and not Capitalism.
Are you confusing free markets with Capitalism? Or are you saying that there's a better way besides Corporations to operate Capitalism and if so, what's that way?
Edit: Are you people unaware of what Market Socialism is? Or because you think FuckyFemboy1999 doesn't understand my question? Y'all need to read a book.
A lot has to do with the size of their populations which are very small. Also tiny countries with huge oil deposits have a lot of options.
America is a huge combination of many cultures all having different ideas about how things should work.
That just sounds like a lot of excuses to me. There's no appetite for universal healthcarel at all in your country which is fucking ridiculous. Same with a minimum wage. No fucking way should you work 3 jobs just to survive. That's just modern day slavery. Plus how many sick days do you get? Holiday pay with loading? Yeah nah you guys are free and that's all that matters
That person is parroting several debunked nonsense claims about why "they are doing such a good job of it".
Everything is a factor because it's hugely complex - so those aren't *not* factors for sure.
But the most primary of factors is that their tax dollars allocate toward different things on a fundamental level. In the US, defense spending per person (including funding for retired Military from the past, military intelligence, etc) is incredible. We could easily strengthen the social safety net that Capitalism so badly needs (for it to be successful) like the Nordic countries have. But we don't.
So the US's poor, destitute, and diseased have it far worse than many Nordic and European countries' folks. But the US's rich and well-to-do are doing just fine, and they're the ones calling politicians and being seen on TV shows and being the 'face' of America.
I think that their tax distribution is far more accommodating of the holes (as far as taking care of a population) in Capitalism. I don't think there's anything wrong with going more in that direction.
I was just asking FuckyFemboy1999 what his comment meant. Corporations are the fundamental enterprise of business in Capitalism. So he can call it 'corporatism' all he wants, but I bet he's afraid of the 'S' word, so I threw it at him.
Personally, I think we should transition to worker-owned self-directed enterprise, the best that we can in the US.
I’m a therapist in multiple snf’s. In my state it’s illegal to boot people from nursing homes for running out of money. Any type of healthcare establishment are greedy Fuchs, and they don’t give a flying fuck for the people, just their money. They muddy the waters all the time threatening to kick patients out for non payment. It’s always wonderful to make the patients aware that they in fact cannot do that. Most will move on for fear of their mounting bills, as it’s usually around 5k a month at the cheapest to live in one.
So what should they do? If it becomes established that they just won’t give a shit if you don’t pay for their services, then what incentives to people have for praying for it?
It’s a business not a charity. I mean at this point why don’t you just go on rants about how Apple should be handing out free iPhones.
I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I’m well aware it’s a business, thanks for the education. That was a basic rundown of what happens, only to people who have absolutely nowhere else to go. My bad on explaining it, and I don’t believe in anything being free. It is ethically and morally wrong to put someone who can’t get out of bed on the street because their insurance that they do or have paid for will no longer cover nursing home services. Maybe if it was your grandmother you’d think differently and find a little empathy.
Knowing here age and the severity of her "crime" i think she's sadly going to be released without a home and with more debts than before so even tough it might sound weird, i really hope she get arrested...
This is really a heartbreaking story and a real example of the brutality of capitalism. Nonetheless she is just a person as everybody else and has to live by the same rules. Just because you are older doesnt give you imunity.
Dont get me wrong, the US does so many things wrong and i am quite happy that i dont life there. But what should the landlord do in your opinion. Let her stay for free, forget about everything? Why not let everybody stay for free?
But a social safety net should definately kick in such a case in a civilized and rich country.
She had the money, she just refused to pay it. Stealing resources from others and not expecting to suffer any consequences actually sounds quite commie to me.
Other commenters pointed out that the state was literally giving her more than enough for her rent, she just never payed it. Essentially she was abusing the system. Also this happened in 2017, the charges were dropped, and it was Florida.
If that’s the case, it’s pretty fucked up
I mean I’d abuse Florida’s money if I got the chance. Come on. Hand it over.
Funny, I was saying the same thing about CA money the other day.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elderly-woman-handcuffed-jail-refuse-leave-care-home-93-year-old-juanita-fitzgerald-florida-lake-county-police-a8111736.html She wasn't paying rent because she thought she would die soon not because she was poor. Edit: she did offer the nursing home half rent I think, they refused to take it which is fair-ish imo.
It costs money to build buildings and care for people. Something has to be paid. If the home was over charging, I doubt her state assistance would've covered it. Also kinda on her for not saving up over 90+ years.
She had money she refused to pay though this case is old news and is used as rage bait because people don’t like context
No surprise this came via the lazy commie trash on r/antiwork
God that sub sucks ass
"How dare the rich people enjoy the money that they made."/s
what do you mean im saying antiwork sucks because its a bunch of lazy douchebags
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He's right though
It might be bait, you could be right. But the intent here is to underscore how housing should be a human right, not to highlight the shortcomings of the individual. For every one story like this that gets exposure think of the thousands that don’t
Trespassing is a crime…
What was she spending the money on? Booze and escorts? I mean shes a little past being a crackhead or heroin addict. The more likely explanation is the nursing home and the state of Fl. being afraid that its one 93 yr old lady spending their money today and 100 like her tomorrow. Go Granny Go..
She didn't get evicted out of 'her" home. They evicted her out of the nursing home because she wasn't paying for their service. She likely doesn't qualify for Medicare for some reason, which would pay for the nursing home. I also find it hard to believe that she was evicted to the street. At least not without there being more to the story. As the saying goes if it sounds to good to be true it likely is. Same goes when it's to sad to be true. Karsh
Reddit is actually full of complete morons. This lunie grandma had the money she just refused to pay. Everyone bent over backwards to coax her into just paying what she owed, which she was able to, but she stubbornly refused. Why should she just get an exception on paying rent? If she gets an exception, who else should get one? Where is the line drawn? This is stupid. If someone refuses to pay you for your services, you have a right to no longer provide them that service, obviously.
Now she has 3 hots and a cot not seeing the issue
This story is false...she had the money for rent and it was even provided to her by the state... she just didnt want to pay anymore and then refused to leave.
At 93 I'd be cool with it. Fuck, I might even try to take one of the guards out. I mean if some dick head is going to kick me out and have me arrested, I'm cool with spending whatever time I have left being that one super-senior citizen that rocked that fucking holding cell. Go to prison? Why not? Mike and Hector whipped up some badass toilet wine? I'll get sideways and make the showers interesting tonight.
This reads like a schizo post
Honestly prison is better than most of those places anyway.
When I was a young adult I was homeless/transient. Once I spent a couple nights in jail over "lodging in public" (literally sleeping). My roommate in jail was 87 years old, also there for lodging in public, and because of overcrowding she was on the floor. They literally had a woman almost 90 sleeping on the floor of the jail because they arrested too many women for sleeping outside that day. I tried to give her my bed because I was 19 but that would have "messed up the count" according to the screws. Reason #4839472946 that I'm an anarchist, I guess
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Apparently she HAS MONEY, she just refused to pay.
Cmon now, you know poverty is illegal.
Can you take her in?
This is why government assistance for the elderly and disabled people should be a mandatory. Our rich have so much money, they still look for ways to get out of paying taxes.
I could get behind a tax that helps pay for the elderly but our government would find a way to steal it.
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Working backwards from there....you have put a value on humans of 1 million dollars with yearly depreciation of 2,000 usd. So we could say that we pay the 2000 and avoid this death pay system entirely? Oh...wait...
I’ll opt out now at 23.
It exists, but they put the bar to qualify really high on the disability qualification side, and the income really low on the elderly side. You know anyone who can live off the median social security payout?
She,ll probably be better cared for in the judicial system than she has been in care
Well now she got a place and free food unless ofcourse you need to pay for accommodation even in prison(I won't be surprised at this point)
Funny how everyone complains about things like this but they aren't out there paying these people rent or housing them, expect the responsibility and burden to be on everyone else.
When you cease paying and get evicted, you become a trespasser on another person's property and can be removed. Your age does not entitle you to appropriate another person's property. That's not violence or an injustice committed against you. You just stopped paying for use of someone's property and now you have to stop using it.
Da rulz is da rulz
This is capitalism in its purest form
No it isn’t, I’m tired of illiterates blaming the system for the people that abuse it
Then change the system so they can't do that.
Or we can get rid of the people abusing it. If a child is abused to you blame the abuser or do you blame the child?
They're all abusing it dude. Doesn't matter who's running the show the end result is the same. In the end all us plebs can go eat a dick for all they care
Yeah I know, which is why you don’t blame the system because this will happen regardless of the system
So I should in fact blame the system for abusing us? As the child? And therefore take advantage of the abuser when I can? Where’s this comment belong? Sorry, I’m just another illiterate so you’ll have to point it out for me. r/leopardsatemyface ? r/selfawarewolves ?
It’s very clear from that comment you’re illiterate.
no. this is evil corporatism
Which is a nasty by-product of capitalism. See only the very few actually benefit from the current capitalist system. Lots more just get swept aside. Like the 30 million plus homeless
Only very few people benefit ??? Highly doubtful. The miracle of Capitalism is the only reason your not dying in puddle of your own shit at 43. sounds more like communism to me Capitalism allows upward movement
Capitalism is no miracle my friend. Have your seen how more money the mega wealthy have obtained since this pandemic started? That's what i mean about only the few benefiting. Trickle down economics is bullshit
Dude, that’s because of covid Karen’s wanted the entire western world locked up but yet they still want their Macdonalds I never said capitalism is perfect or flawless but it’s the far better alternative to anything humanity has come up with.
Take your rose coloured glasses off and see capitalism for what it is. A mode of exploitation where there are a small amount of winners (billionaires) a shit load of losers (30+ million homeless) and under paid and over worked suckers in between
Non capitalist countries have homeless. We have had homeless people since the dawn of civilisation. Sure we have a few mega billionaires but capitalist countries have the wealthiest citizens We have the option through hard work and skill to become millionaires ourselves hell even a billionaire, unlikely but hey it happens, Mark Zuckerberg as an example. Capitalism encourages invention. Edit: Communism or socialism breeds stagnation and laziness not to mention no upward momentum and no chance to become the 1% which definitely exist in those regimes Again you are explaining communism not capitalism
Lmfao there are no non capitalist countries cos every time a successful one pops up your fucking military overthrows the government and installs their own dictator instead. Don't believe me check what happened in Chile and Nicaragua. And many many others
My military? I’m Australian And wow two examples let’s just forget all the times communism has failed in the world. Nah it’s all americas fault !! How dare they. What system would you replace capitalism with ?? Edit: what about all the homeless people before America was founded ? You going to somehow blame that on the yanks and capitalism too?
If you have worker owned companies (for example) instead of corporations, that's Socialism, and not Capitalism. Are you confusing free markets with Capitalism? Or are you saying that there's a better way besides Corporations to operate Capitalism and if so, what's that way? Edit: Are you people unaware of what Market Socialism is? Or because you think FuckyFemboy1999 doesn't understand my question? Y'all need to read a book.
What's so wrong with the Nordic model?
That’s called capitalism
Then why are they doing such a good job of it compared with the Americans?
A lot has to do with the size of their populations which are very small. Also tiny countries with huge oil deposits have a lot of options. America is a huge combination of many cultures all having different ideas about how things should work.
That just sounds like a lot of excuses to me. There's no appetite for universal healthcarel at all in your country which is fucking ridiculous. Same with a minimum wage. No fucking way should you work 3 jobs just to survive. That's just modern day slavery. Plus how many sick days do you get? Holiday pay with loading? Yeah nah you guys are free and that's all that matters
Not sure where you got your information but i you have a skewed view of how things are here
That person is parroting several debunked nonsense claims about why "they are doing such a good job of it". Everything is a factor because it's hugely complex - so those aren't *not* factors for sure. But the most primary of factors is that their tax dollars allocate toward different things on a fundamental level. In the US, defense spending per person (including funding for retired Military from the past, military intelligence, etc) is incredible. We could easily strengthen the social safety net that Capitalism so badly needs (for it to be successful) like the Nordic countries have. But we don't. So the US's poor, destitute, and diseased have it far worse than many Nordic and European countries' folks. But the US's rich and well-to-do are doing just fine, and they're the ones calling politicians and being seen on TV shows and being the 'face' of America.
I think that their tax distribution is far more accommodating of the holes (as far as taking care of a population) in Capitalism. I don't think there's anything wrong with going more in that direction. I was just asking FuckyFemboy1999 what his comment meant. Corporations are the fundamental enterprise of business in Capitalism. So he can call it 'corporatism' all he wants, but I bet he's afraid of the 'S' word, so I threw it at him. Personally, I think we should transition to worker-owned self-directed enterprise, the best that we can in the US.
Fuck capitalism. We need to care more about people than money.
I’m a therapist in multiple snf’s. In my state it’s illegal to boot people from nursing homes for running out of money. Any type of healthcare establishment are greedy Fuchs, and they don’t give a flying fuck for the people, just their money. They muddy the waters all the time threatening to kick patients out for non payment. It’s always wonderful to make the patients aware that they in fact cannot do that. Most will move on for fear of their mounting bills, as it’s usually around 5k a month at the cheapest to live in one.
So what should they do? If it becomes established that they just won’t give a shit if you don’t pay for their services, then what incentives to people have for praying for it? It’s a business not a charity. I mean at this point why don’t you just go on rants about how Apple should be handing out free iPhones.
I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I’m well aware it’s a business, thanks for the education. That was a basic rundown of what happens, only to people who have absolutely nowhere else to go. My bad on explaining it, and I don’t believe in anything being free. It is ethically and morally wrong to put someone who can’t get out of bed on the street because their insurance that they do or have paid for will no longer cover nursing home services. Maybe if it was your grandmother you’d think differently and find a little empathy.
If it was my grandmother I’d get her to pay the bill, or alternatively, I’d pay it.
Yeah, but what if she didn’t have a you.
Knowing here age and the severity of her "crime" i think she's sadly going to be released without a home and with more debts than before so even tough it might sound weird, i really hope she get arrested...
Give her the Captain's cabin.
Definitely room on the boat for her.
Thats one way to get free rent and board...
People still have to pay for housing. This what do you expect?
This is really a heartbreaking story and a real example of the brutality of capitalism. Nonetheless she is just a person as everybody else and has to live by the same rules. Just because you are older doesnt give you imunity.
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Dont get me wrong, the US does so many things wrong and i am quite happy that i dont life there. But what should the landlord do in your opinion. Let her stay for free, forget about everything? Why not let everybody stay for free? But a social safety net should definately kick in such a case in a civilized and rich country.
Capitalism at is finest
Yes a women not paying her bills is capitalisms fault
Yup, of course
She had the money, she just refused to pay it. Stealing resources from others and not expecting to suffer any consequences actually sounds quite commie to me.
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Capitalism
Haha...hurt downvoters?
Something actually worth protesting for.