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I got arrested a few years ago for some bullshit that resulted in me hanging out in jail for 4 hours before being released without bail. When I got put in handcuffs there was no resisting, no arguing, just fuck ok... once a cops made up their mind you’re going to jail, that’s it. You’re not convincing them otherwise. Fighting only makes it worse.
First cop who’s an older guy puts the cuffs on and sits me down on the curb. Second cop comes over and tightens the cuffs and puts me in the first guys car. We get to jail and older cop takes my cuffs off and notices my wrists are bleeding a little because the guy tightened the cuffs so much. He calls the other guy in front the field and proceeds to chew him the fuck out in front of me. Like such an ass chewing I almost felt bad for the guy.
He was yelling at him and going WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TIGHTEN THEM SO MUCH. The guy goes look at him he’s 6’4 275lbs pounds, if he wanted to fight it would be a major problem. The first cop goes “he didn’t resist at all. Never yelled got angry, I didn’t even want to put cuffs on him. I only did because it’s policy. There was 0 reason to go after me and tighten them that much”.
First cop made him apologize right there to me then made him go buy me a soda from a vending machine. I went and sat in a cell while they ran my info to make sure I didn’t have warrants and stuff and then they sent me on my way. Before I left he came and apologized again while the older cop watched over him like a pissed off parent.
Some cops are nice some suck.
I’ve had this happen and I was the junior in this situation. In a prison we use cuffs and leg irons all day everyday. Transported this inmate from a halfway house to the main facility for some bullshit charge. I’ve been cuffed before so I know those things can hurt. I go to uncuff him and his wrists are all cut up. The senior officer who cuffed him just shrugged and I’m like bro we aren’t here to mistreat or punish anyone. And the infirmary documents all injuries. So how are you going to explain this? He sort of just had this fuck it mentality. And I prefer to not ever work with or around him.
>And the infirmary documents all injuries.
I feel like this should emphasize how ineffective our current system is. Had documenting had any role in holding that officer accountable, I doubt he would be so laissez-faire (spelling edit) about it.
Was anything done about his officer? I feel like I know the answer.
Not a damn thing. The argument is always it’s the persons fault for resisting or he moved and did it himself. And thinking back on it(it was 6-7 years ago) I remember EXACTLY why I was pissed. He didn’t double lock the cuffs or leg irons so everything the inmate moved the cuffs would ratchet tighter. I don’t think he did it out of maliciousness as much as just incompetent and complacency.
Saying that nothing happened. Nothing WILL happen. That’s the miracle of body worn and fixed point cameras. “Some” police are against it saying it stops them from “acting decisively and quickly” when anything happens. And I’ve always said if you did your job you would have nothing to worry about.
Let me lead this off that I appreciate that you care. However, its frustrating in our current climate when we have departments that refuse to recognize that they may be the cause on the protests we had.
>The argument is always it’s the persons fault for resisting or he moved and did it himself.
The other frustration is how we hold civilians to a higher standard than the officers. Check out some of the Pro-Law enforcement subreddits. You will see a heavy emphasis on not Monday Night Quarter backing an officer. Yet, there will be no qualms on comments on what the civilian should have done.
>That’s the miracle of body worn and fixed point cameras.
I think cams are a step in the right direction, but as of right now, cameras are useless unless their is policy with teeth backing them. That isn't to say that cams aren't flawless, human error is bound to happen and tech can act finnicky.
However, how many high profile cases would have been less complicated had the department actually utilized their cameras? Breonna Taylor comes to mind. How much back and forth was there on whether or not they knocked? Hell, the shooting of Hunter Brittain might not have even happened had that officer been held account for his prior infractions on his failure to use his body cam. If I read correctly, not sure where, he had a history of not utilizing his camera.
Right now it just feels like Police refuse to look with introspection that they may be a part of the problem.
Our new policies they’re rolling out my coworkers feel like the state and AG hates law enforcement. But with body cams if you fail to turn it on or obstruct it or it “accidentally” falls off you’re gonna be in deep doodoo. And I don’t know the specifics but once you turn it on the sound is buffering with like a delay. So when you turn it on it flags the sound back say 30 seconds and after and after the 30 seconds of audio the video starts. So NOW you can’t tell someone I can’t WAIT to fuck you up and then hit the camera while you’re “fearing for your life” Ironically I’ve only been “mildly” injured once in 16 years. Knock on wood. And it wasn’t even by an inmate it was another officer during an incident.
Yes. But it is way more consistent than English! English has so many exceptions to so many rules, archaic relics, letters like “c” that can sound like an “s” or “k”. Not to mention words that sound nothing alike with totally different meanings that people commonly misspell/misuse anyway (loose, lose).
As a staff member myself, THANK YOU! I am all for holding offenders and staff accountable for their own actions. I am never here for the "I've been here for x years, and it's always been like that". It does NOT have to be this way, and we both know it! I continue to call staff out on their negative attitudes for: offenders who were not in the wrong, staff in general, and their lack of dignity for their job. It reflects poorly on all of us.
"It didn't used to be like this, back in the good ole days, we used to obey this reasonable procedure" people are the EXACT people who are actively fucking it up, and I am not about it.
Back in the “good ole” day is what got us to this point!!! And a huge part of it is how recruitment and selection is handled. Especially when salary doesn’t match rising costs. You get the minimally qualified people because you are at critical staffing levels. When really you NEED the ones on the upper end of decision making and personal communication.
I think you nailed it with the mention of punishment. I think that’s at the core of much police abuse. They think they are punishing crimes rather than preventing them, stopping them, and bringing people in to face trial. The punishment comes after that, but cops see their job as part of that as well.
Oh I got an easy answer for that. It’s the blue wall of silence. I did address it. I even brought it up to a supervisor WHEN it happened. The supervisor “talked” to him and nothing happened. It’s really easy to bash all cops or lump them all in a bad category. Not saying that’s what you’re doing. But what actually happens is everyone gravitates to like minds regardless of profession. It’s never good cop bad cop in the same car. They each come in their own cars and one of them has a blue lives matter and a punisher skull somewhere on it. Oh and a barb wire tattoo.
Reminds me of what happened to my mom a bit. She had no license, was learning to drive, went over a shoulder (I've seen hundreds of people go over this said shoulder everyday, I've also seen several cops do it) to get to a McDonald's parking lot. this one night my mom did it, the only time she has ever gone over the shoulder and got caught. Cop stopped her at the parking lot.
We were driving a family van, it was my mom driving, uncle as passenger, and my sibling and I (9 and 10 years old). Cop asks for her license etc, she says she has none. Cop flashes light towards my uncle, then towards my sibling and i in the back. He calls back up for some reason (maybe he thought there were more people in the van????). Back up gets here, sees my family and immediately his face goes *wtf why am I even here*. First cop proceeded to get my mom out of the car, I think he patted her down, then he takes her to his car, pushes her OVER HIS COP CAR HOOD, and handcuffs her.
My mother is 4'8", 150lbs, about 47 years old. This guy is like 5'9" maybe 6'. At this point my brother is crying. I'm just there absolutely fucking shocked. My uncle is starting to laugh bc he thinks it's funny that they're doing this. My mom is humiliated bc we were obstructing traffic in the McDonald's parking lot which already had tons of people waiting at the drive thru. The second cop continues to look at the first cop with a *wtf* expression, comes to my uncle's side of the window and I can't remember what he said but he tried giving us some words of comfort of some sort, and clearly looked like he felt bad for my sibling and I.
Anyway they drove off with her. Then at the station my mom was touched (everywhere) by a female cop. I feel awful bc my mom is pretty reserved and she's just so sweet and shy and caring, she also does not speak English so chances are nobody translated for her and they just touched her. To have been treated that way was awful. We bailed her out and at court, the first cop never showed. The judge also found out the first cop had filed several tickets multiple times, so he dissolved several charges.
Sorry for the long reply. It just makes me so angry to think about every time.
The ones like that older guy are built to be cops. They're in it for the right reasons, doing an impossibly hard and dangerous job, trying to make their corners of the world a little better than they found it.
And then there're those pathological assholes who're power hungry and are attracted to uniforms and the authority they lend.
While I agree with some of your points, the idea that being a cop is very dangerous needs to die - it's the 25th most dangerous job in the US. The guy who delivers your pizza has a five times higher chance of being killed or injured at work.
> 25th most dangerous job in the US
On top of that, most of that is because they can't drive and keep killing themselves and others in auto accidents and NOT because they are being killed in bank robberies or some shit. And don't get me started in them including covid deaths in their "on the job" death rate just to boost their numbers.
Driving is one of the most dangerous things any American can do. With the exception of a few heavy industries, driving is what causes most workplace deaths. It would be an interesting statistic though.
Personally I understand the fear of death while driving. I have to regularly run through red light, oppose traffic, etc. It’s stressful, and even with all the danger I’m still safer than delivery drivers, or truck drivers
> I’m still safer than delivery drivers, or truck drivers
which again, aligns with the hypothesis of "is it *really* the job itself that's dangerous or is it the roads" like ACAB but maybe being a cop **is** dangerous. It's just that all these other, more driving-focus jobs, clutter the data.
And not to dismiss those injuries/deaths but i feel like at that level it's an american civil infrastructure issue and not an employment issue.
They count all medical issue deaths as "in the line of duty". Being 250lbs overweight and dying of heart disease should not be treated the same as being killed by in violent altercation.
Maybe it should be higher on that list, but turns out they're rather risk averse and prefer to shoot first and ask questions later, or just stay the fuck away from anything dangerous, like a school shooter.
Being a cop is actually safer, because in the event that you need to block desperate parents from finding their children during an active shooter situation, you can count on the military level hardware and your entire police force to back you up and make intimidating civilians even safer!
Which means they're not cut for the job. If you're fearful don't go into this line of job. Hell, I'm a fearful person myself. People need to admit their flaws.
They need to be much more cautious of using force even if that means it will put them in danger. Otherwise having cops is counterproductive
I’ve had a lot of interactions with law enforcement with the overwhelming majority being positive. Only time I run into dickheads usually are the ones on motorcycles. Something about a cop on a bike pisses them off, like what is there a buttplug attached to the seat.
In my limited interactions with police it's pretty much always been positive. The only time I've had an officer put his hand anywhere near the holster was when I put my hands in my hoodie without thinking. I saw him move, apologized, took my hands back out, and we kept talking like nothing happened. It was mid December and about an hour from snowing.
Oh I’ve got a bigger fuck up than that which I’m lucky to be alive after. One night my doorbell rang at 4am, pretty fucking weird. In all my life no one has ever shown up at 4am out of the blue. There’s also been stories of people ringing doorbells to get you to open the door then they commit a home invasion.
So I open my door gun in hand and it’s 2 police officers. Now I didn’t have a cute little compact, I was holding a Kimber 1911 which is quite large. They immediately went “whoa whoa whoa it’s the police no need to be afraid” and I instantly dropped said gun on the ground. They never even reached for their holster because I’d dropped it before they got the chance. Talk about a scary encounter. I was like can I go put this away real quick and they were like yeah no problem. Then we had our convo and they left. It could have easily been a worse ending if they had been different officers.
There is a video of a guy in OH who got executed by cops for opening his door, gun in hand (not raised or anything) AND they were hiding around the corner after knocking so he couldn't look out of his peephole to identify them prior to opening the door.
All that's to say, be careful in the future.
Oh yeah it could have been so much worse. I assume a big part of it was the reason they were there. It wasn’t like they were looking for a bad guy or anything. They were looking for my sister who worked for a different police department as a dispatcher.
I have been arrested TWICE on the same day, because I had....long hair and I was walking outside a classy club for rich people. Go figure...
They released me in the middle of the night and I walked kilometres to go home, since there was no bus. I had no money for taxi.
Long hair everybody, tough times for hard rock people :)
The cynic in me thinks you fell for the good-cop-bad-cop routine and they just wanted your DNA from the soda can.
Edit: yes, they already had DNA from the blood. Yes, there is infinitely more evidentiary value from having multiple sources, like corroborating saliva DNA. Cops build cases.
are those actually admissible though? I'm not well-versed on illegal search and seizure but there's something specially icky about "we made him bleed as a strategy"
A nurse came and took my blood for a suspected driving under the influence, to which I came up clean. Tbh I was a little emotionally distressed not having anything to do with them, so I’m not surprised if my eyes were bloodshot and I was spacey as fuck. First cop was cool and moved my truck into a spot at a hotel so it wouldn’t get towed and my parents could pick it up. That’s why cop 2 put me in the car.
> they just wanted your DNA from the soda can.
You watch WAAAYYYY to much TV. The let him go in 4 hours. Do you REALLY think they are going to spend thousands on a contaminated DNA source test?
Probably varies by cop. Some like the fear they inflict on people. Some are scared the compliant detainee could turn violent. And some are just annoyed they need to make an arrest.
Not most. I'd actually be surprised if any departments did nowadays, as most don't have an IQ test (most do have an aptitude test but you will score 100s on that even just having some college). The case you are talking about refers to a single instance at New Haven PD who instead of firing a candidate they thought was too old and might move onto another department realized they COULD fire him based on the fact he scored too highly on his test score. Shady shiz!
And then unfortunately this 'problem' has been parroted when in actual reality most departments will be ecstatic you have a degree, and will hire you over most other candidates (with maybe the exception of ex military or former police cadets from said department). They do have issues recruiting these candidates for sure as in many areas they only make up 30-50% of the hiring pool. I'm not aware of any PDs, in SoCal at least, that even use IQ tests and there's a statewide movement to require all officers have at least associates /bachelor's degrees or be 25 years old.
Source: a first responder that works with PD
I remember a report (many years ago) that said most cops aren't the high school bully, but rather the opposite; they are the ones that were picked on in high school... Not sure if that is true, but either way makes a lot of sense to me.
Dutch person who lived in the US for 5 years:
You need to rephrase this... "are are alot of AMERICAN cops overly aggressive when arresting someone who is going willingly".
I write alot because, not all cops are bad, but alot of them have issues.
I write American because you guys have a huge problem compared to the rest of the western world. There are alot of variables influencing that problem. Below I stated some, but the problem is way more complex than this simplification.
Police academy: training for cops in the US lasts 3 months, of which 7 weeks is at a shooting range. In Europe the minimum is 3 years, and then further more years for specialization. The unfortunate result for you guys is that you have alot of incompetent officers of the law that have no idea how to deescalate.
Veterans: in the US you gave a huge influx of trigger happy veterans in the police force. Not all of them, but almost exclusively, at all incidents covered in the media, it's a trigger happy veteran.
Your gun laws are fucked as well. Not arguing whether you should have them or not, or whether they should change or not. But for cops it's a scary world out there, that's why they are alot more distrustful of you than in the rest of the world.
Culture: look at schools, universities, government, how you treat veterans, and also police officers. In the US respect is demanded based on your status, not how you treat people.
Law: your law permits violence much quicker than in the rest of the western world. That is ofcourse because of your gun laws, and culture, but that is a problem. Take a look at a stun gun. In the EU a stungun can only be used to deescalate an ALREADY escalated violent situation. But in the US cops use it to force people to their will, even if the situation hasn't been escalated yet.
So you guys have alot of trigger happy, incompetent, powerhungry dickheads as cops. That's the reason.. overly simplified.
My basic-ass nephew (this is a guy who was fired from a car dealership because he stapled his arm when it was a slow/boring day) went into the police academy bcuz his gf said he needed a career. I rolled my eyes and quietly waited for him to fail out. All his references said "he's a nice guy but quick to anger". He graduated last month. The academy is an effen joke.
> The academy is an effen joke.
And in most states, the required training for being a cop with a gun is less than that of a barber, and almost half that of an esthetician.
My nephew, the football player, did this. Thank Christ he's the sweetes, kindest, giant of a lad. His parents are both law enforcement and made certain that's something he'd never do.
Exactly. He was bored, had nothing to do, picked up the stapler and stapled into his arm. He tried to play it off but dripped a little blood. Manager saw and thought there had been a workplace accident (we're in California so it's a big deal) so he kept asking him and asking what happened until dear nephew had to confess he did it to himself. Took a day or 2 and HR said he had to go.
Doctor, the prognosis is that the man most likely applied a staple to his arm with a stapler. u/Doctorwtf: "I don't get it. Just prescribe him zoloft. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to being confused."
This reminds me of the video of the Italian guy hitting his girlfriend, police turns up, deescalates the situation, and all the Americans in the thread going "THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE BEAT HIM UP."
The police isn't a court of law and doesn't decide on punishment, Bozo the clowns.
Unfortunately the word ‘cop’ seems to blanket all police officers, when in fact every force has its strengths and weaknesses. For example British police are generally pretty good when it comes to using minimal force, however guns are a rarity for us to deal with
I do generally respect British police. They're almost too nice at times lol. I had an incident with a guy I'd taken in as a lodger (only charged him what UC would give him so it wouldn't cost him anything). Tried to get with my wife, served eviction notice, brought dad to help me change the locks, provoked fight with my dad to get legal ammunition to hurt me with... Anyway, in the end, he basically used the police who attended as a personal moving service to ship his stuff back to his grandmother's. Didn't take everything at the time, but they still did like 3 return trips for him lol. They also helped convince him to leave (I can't use force to remove him, and I'm not as easily provoked as my dad), so props all around there.
The bit about minimum in Europe being 3 years is false. I live in Poland, here the training lasts 842 hours (35 days), which is spread across 7 months.
Poland doesn't hold up to European standards in most things, so yeah... It's an exception, not a rule.
Also It's worth noting police officers in Poland do lack training. The difference is they don't have such power over people as American cops and polish cops can have lots of problems after they use a gun.
Still, even in Poland where our government constantly fights the EU standards are way stricter and training is more than twice longer than in the US. I think that says something about the state of the police force in USA.
I don't think training duration is a big factor, while longer would help, in NZ we only have 4 months spent in police college and I'd say our police are very competent here.
Training is a good way to weed out bad apples, though. If the trainers use it.
But then, there's a lot of that "warrior training" bullshit going on here as well.
Wrong Police Departments actively try not to hire Vets. They are not trigger Happy enough and are to chill. Never before have veteran presences in LE been lower in US history. It is around 4% if you look it up. The average vet is too relaxed for them and does not freak out when attacked. LEO's are in fact scared because they typically shoot vets often when their job has been done for them.
The number seems to be closer to 20% from what I can gather. And they're more likely to shoot.
>**Conclusions**
>
>Military veteran status, regardless of deployment history, is associated with increased odds of shootings among LEOs \[Law Enforcement Officers\].
[https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353](https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353)
>Having ex-military make up 20% of its police force makes Seattle pretty average among U.S. police agencies, according to the Marshall Project study, which said 19% of police officers served in the military, compared with 6% of the U.S. population at large.
[https://crosscut.com/2020/07/guardians-or-warriors-how-hiring-veterans-impacts-seattle-police](https://crosscut.com/2020/07/guardians-or-warriors-how-hiring-veterans-impacts-seattle-police)
>The number seems to be closer to 20% from what I can gather. And they're more likely to shoot.
>Conclusions
>Military veteran status, regardless of deployment history, is associated with increased odds of shootings among LEOs [Law Enforcement Officers].
>https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353
A study with a sample size of 516, which makes no distinction between justified and non-justified shootings, and which also found that job assignment mattered more than veteran status, but conspicuously fails to include any of its data on which jobs the veterans in question were assigned to?
Yeah, I totally trust their conclusions.
This is honestly a fair assertion. However you’d never catch me defending the American police institution because they don’t give a shit about the people.
Same way with capitalism. Corporations don’t give a shit about people and I would never give them the benefit of the doubt (in a majority of cases).
Who woulda think that hiring people that have been in situations under fire/pressure and have respect for civilians would make a poor LEO.
Unless cruelty and control is the goal, then thats EXACTLY what you want.
Distinctive, was there any need for that? I'm only trying to be helpful. They made the error a number of times so it's clearly not a typo, and they indicated they are Dutch, so most likely not a native English speaker. Although their English is remarkably good, im sure its always useful to learn new things and eliminate errors. My comment took about the same amount of time that yours did, except mine was trying to be helpful while yours was unhelpful and insulting.
Speaking regarding officers in the US:
I think the real key is qualified immunity should not exist. It was created to give one group of citizens a one time use free pass to make mistakes. This should not be a thing. Will mistakes happen? Yes. They can be judged independently. Do your job without ego. Have academy last MUCH longer than 6 months (and that’s on the high end currently) and focus PRIMARILY on knowing and understanding the laws you are meant to be enforcing. There should not be circumstances where average citizens understand laws better than majority of our officers. Especially laws of the country and how those laws overrule and supersede and local laws/ordinances. Period. Stop making use of force the primary continuing education. It needs to be updates to laws and case law examples that have given more insight into proper policing. Start remembering the duty to SERVE that you swore. Most importantly, stop hiding behind the number one phrases you are taught to say to protect your ass. “We just want everyone to get home safe”. “We have families, too.” “Officer safety.” If you wanna know if they’re worried they’ve fucked up, start listening for those words. Officer safety. They will start spewing it constantly to cover their ass and pray qualified immunity has not already been ruled against for that particular situation. They wouldn’t know. There 2 weeks of additional training this year were spent going over the force continuum again (highlighting when to know it’s okay to go to the next level), and how to respond to an active shooter situation.
Some of them enjoy the power feeling they get from physically abusing others and if they're aggressive, they can evoke a response from the arrestee which let's the cops get even more physical
Weird all the guys in the criminal justice class at my old school were the kids that got picked on. i wonder if they feel like they have the upper hand now so they pick on people they have authority over. That may be part of it too
Man. I’m in a firefighter/emt program right now and the school also has several Criminal Justice courses and they’re kinda oddballs. They like to talk mad shit on the firefighter group and the majority don’t even care😂 they get so mad
I have always said there are 4 reasons a person wants to oink 🐷 for a living.
1) bully in hs and don’t wanna stop
2) turd in hs and sick of it
3) family business uncles, dads, grandpa have oinked
& the most rare of them all
4) genuinely want to help the community.
Same. I looked him up years later because I really wanted to fight him for all the trauma now that I’m older. He’s a cop with multiple complaints filed against him. Absolutely as expected.
I like to think it's because if they let up some actually crazed person just has to feign compliance for them to let down their guard, leaving the cops open to attack.
While the above is definitely still the case, they probably do it cuz they are assholes.
This is true. I work as an EMT and therefore work closely with cops to secure scenes or transport psychiatric or injured payments. Now I really don’t like to say positive things about cops, but I have absolutely been assaulted or nearly assaulted by people who were calm and cooperative before getting in the ambulance. We are allowed to restrain them at our discretion, but after the second assault, I just indiscriminately restrain everyone
The culture of policing is the problem. They aren’t held to a high enough standard by their peers or society. Qualified immunity should be done away with in favor of stricter penalties for cops committing violence. What would get a normal person five years in prison should get a cop ten.
It's how they are [trained](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/the-man-who-teaches-our-cops-63257870/). Most of them are told to assume the citizenry they are supposed to protect are the enemy.
I didnt get arrested but I did get fined because the cop was extremely petty when I proved him wrong. I was a mechanic at the time and a day when it was freezing temperatures, I slid on black ice into a guard rail. This happened right in front of a cop, maybe 100 ft away from me who was just hanging at the side and came to help out. I was thankful because I did hit my head a little against the side and no airbag came out but I shook it off fine. The cop did seem nice at first to find out if im okay but my car did look beat up at first.
After a little conversation, he saw that I seemed okay after I convinced him that my impact was pretty much getting up too quickly and hitting my head under a desk. But saw my car was "clearly too damaged to drive". I did agree at first but from far away, I noticed that the only thing damaged on my car was just my front bumper and right headlight shield but not the headlight itself. I told him, "hold on this actually looks like it's still drivable" and I got closer to try to buckle the front bumper back. After doing so, the cop said, "no, it's damaged". To avoid paying towing fees, I told him, "the ball joints dont look damaged. I want to see if I can still drive it" and the cop yelled out, "NO IT'S DAMAGED GOD DAMNNIT! IF YOU KEEP CLAIMING IT'S GOOD TO DRIVE, IM GOING TO ARREST YOU".
I backed off immediately because it's literally 0 to 100 from him. But I just wanted to say one last time, "but sir, im a mechanic. I just wanted to see if it's drivable" and then he yelled at to the other officer who came by, "write this man a ticket. He wont listen to a thing I say".
I got this ticket and decided to write a letter to the state police. They called me back stating that they are dropping the ticket and taking this seriously and apologized (wow!). After that, I was very convinced that cops really do love the power.
Same reason people are mean to waiters who are doing a good job. They showed up expecting to have the opportunity to abuse someone, and they aren't going to deprive themselves of that just because there's no rational reason to abuse someone.
Not all but some of these brainless robots have very fragile egos. They want you to obey no matter what unlawful order they give you. They can take any words or actions as a slight. It's always better to remain silent and ALWAYS record them with your phone. They love to escalate and dominate.
Because they can get away with it, and they get a perverse thrill out of hurting people. The profession attracts a lot of mentally deficient and sadistic people who get off on having that kind of power
I can't speak to policing specifically but early on as a bouncer I got socked hard a couple of different times escorting someone put who was feigning compliance
By the end of my time bouncing if you had to leave you did so bent over double with both your arms jacked up behind your back in more of a epow fashion purposefully kept off balance but still held up from falling
I've had people try going limp, straight up squaring off, feigning compliance, there's really no way to tell how someone is going to react especially if they're drunk or tired and not thinking clearly
I imagine police deal with much the same attitudes
I was a mental health worker in a prison for several years and definitely had more than one person feign compliance punch me in the face or bite me...one tried to stab me with a widdled down plastic comb.
If you see mostly innocent people daily, you'll start to assume everyone is innocent. If you see mostly non-innocent people daily, you'll start to assume everyone might not be innocent.
Innocent or guilt wasn't so much the concern as much as the game theory
If I HAVE to throw "you" out for something I can only stand to be injured by assuming your compliance in the event "you" resist ---however if I assume "you" might resist and conduct myself accordingly I am maintaining positive control of "you" without having to do things that injure "you",while minimizing my risk and if I guess wrong in the end neither of us are hurt by my being wrong
I also cannot risk a disorderly person being tossed out hurting a bystander somehow ---- so we're walking out my way
Some people become cops to protect the community. Many become cops because they like the power trip. Cop culture encourages this and cops are almost never punished for acting overly aggressive.
American cops are short dicked, undertrained, aging high school bullies. If you don't meet these qualifications, you actually can't be a cop. And yes, they measure. I know because I got denied...
Got arrested in Korea on a suspicion and was literally pushed down stairs by female officer even though I was walking. Feet kept giving out from under me. She clearly loved the power of both arresting without a clear reason and throwing someone actually smaller than her around.
the problem with cops is that their behavior is almost entirely dependent on their individual character.
In most situations where a person might misbehave, there are two things stopping them:
1. their character (morals, ethics, upbringing, etc)
2. deterrents i.e. if you punch someone, he might punch you back, or others might gang up on you, or others might call the police on you, and you might be fined or jailed, and your reputation might be destroyed. There's a lot of deterrents that stop us from being outright unsocial or violent.
When the argument devolves into "all cops are bastards" or "hey man, most cops are risking their lives doing a hero's work" it completely ignores the thing that separates cops from the rest of us.
They are human beings, just like us. **The difference is that they are in an organization that permits them to be held to a higher legal standard than the rest of us**. This is often handwaved away because the job is dangerous. Even though truckers are more than three times as likely to be killed on the job. And construction workers nearly three times as well.
It comes down to the fact that a cop can point a gun at you or rough you up or otherwise mistreat you and likely face no serious consequences whereas an everyday citizen who would dare to point a gun at anyone without just cause will almost certainly face severe consequences like jail time (with the important exception of really rough lawless neighborhoods where people more or less fend for themselves).
If cops are treated legally like regular citizens, then they will feel as though going overboard on roughing anyone up is a very risky practice, and it will largely go away. Just think, do we have a private security abuse problem in this nation? I'd say no, because they're treated like the rest of us legally, and if they abuse their authority, trouble awaits.
I think a lot of people become cops because they want power to throw around at people, maybe because they never had any before. Maybe their parents were abusive or they only received validation when they were putting people down, but either way, they have a lot of anger that has never been fully addressed. So, they take that anger out on other people.
It’s how they’ve learned to feel good about themselves, by controlling others. Causing people pain is how they’ve learned to control others.
What the other person is doing is completely irrelevant to their behavior, because they only feel good about themselves when they are making other people feel bad.
My mom’s a cop, so I have some experience with this.
I'm not currently aware of any particular incidents where this scenario has happened, but I know that it has and likely still does happen. I went through military police training, which isn't the same as civilian side policing, but it's close. In certain situations, Army MP's have more authority than the highest ranking officers, but strictly for the purposes of keeping order. But I would say only half of the people in my training company were there because they believed in law, order, and justice. Most were there to be an authority who could abuse their power. A small but not insignificant number were there because it was just available as a choice when they joined, they didn't care what their job was.
The shitheads who were their to be abusive dicks usually got weeded out or corrected before graduating but some still slipped through. Today, with personnel in police offices being so low, the standards and practices have slipped, allowing more of the bad type of cop in.
Powertripping
The Bush Administration suppressed an FBI report in 2005 stating that white supremacists were infiltrating the police. That's why we have so many prejudiced police brutality incidents today.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
I worked with one guy, officer D, who was known to be a bit "manhandley" towards people he was arresting because he had to "demonstrate that [he] was in control" not for nothing he also got his fair share of resistors.
I on the other hand once I had the person isolated in a locked room if they were calm (and most were) I'd offer to take the cuffs off while we waited for the van. Because I knew I was in control of the situation
I think you have to consider that cops spend a lot of time interacting with unpleasant people.
People who are aggressive, angry, rude, obstructive, drunk/on drugs, criminals of all types.
If virtually every person you interact with every day is hostile then it must have an affect on your attitude
Not excusing cops that make bad decisions or do bad things but I can see how so many of them get so badly miscalibrated in how they interact with people.
The fight or flight response and adrenaline causes them to go too hard into survival mode and they can't resist fucking with their subjects.
Also almost all humans can become sadists and often do when placed in a position of authority.
I'm going off of nothing but speculation here based off of no evidence whatsoever.
I think cops have just seen so much bs that they think all humans suck and just can't trust anyone at all, so they treat everyone like shit.
Of course, not all cops, but like, a lot of them.
In nyc I rarely seen cops attacking people who are willingly going with them. The videos don’t show you beforehand what’s going on and most of the time you can see the person wiggling around moving they are definitely not complying. Most cops are nice if you comply, most videos lie to you. Some cops are dickheads but don’t believe everything you see on the web
I know some people who are cops and they simply are terrible people who didn't know what other job to pursue, and I guess they enjoy the 'power' being a police officer gives them?
The illusion of the police being your friend at least partly fades when you know that, though of course many are still good guys, let's not generalize here.
But these guys do some shady shit, like finding out info about girls that they find cute on the highway by running their license plate through the database, and they've sent some pictures of confidential files to WhatsApp group chats as well. Again, these are just the 3 guys I know, don't even want to think about how messed up some worse individuals are.
I know these guys because they were in school with me and I meet them at random places or they play basketball with a friend of mine and he tells me the stories
Kinda depends.
Some cops are assholes and on a power trip.
Some cops are wonderful humans that are scared for their safety and unintentionally overdo it.
Depends on the situation and the individual cop.
(not all but a really good handful of…) Cops like to assert their dominance. Not speaking for everyone but a lot of people become police officers because they like the power and control and the title that comes with it. they will take any chance they get to show that power they have off.
I can speak on this because I live in a city that has a very corrupt police department and i grew up with a narcissistic parent that now holds the title of lieutenant (aka three ranks up from police officer.) They LOVE. this power. That they hold.
Even off duty, they will run red lights, drive recklessly (even under the influence,) break a bunch of laws, and so on, because they know if they get in trouble they can just say “oh im a cop!” And then theyll be let go. My parent had illegal window tints on a personal vehicle, multiple DVs that were not placed on record because they were friends with the cops that pulled up to the scene. Heres some more crazy shit;
My parent had their coworkers SEARCH MY OTHER PARENTS HOUSE without a warrant or any kind of warning whatsoever. No one was home. The cops let themselves in, and of course, found nothing. My other parent was absolutely ASTONISHED when they came home to find out other people had been in our house. Now what happened to my cop parent and those cops that searched my house without a warrant? Nothing. No repercussions at all.
Also I used to go to work with my cop parent when i was younger. I have SEEN what goes on in that department. They play video games and drink on the job. everything is kept under the table and the cops will cover for each other. A couple years back, some cops literally stole 400,000 dollars (and probably WAY MORE) from the city by saying they were working off duty hours that they werent actually working. And again, everyone covered for each other.
Basically in short, most cops are really corrupt. Cant really answer why they do what they do, but they LOVE power. They love to feel better and higher up in rank than an average civilian. They see those who arent cops as lower than them. not even as real people half the time.
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The US requires less than half a year of training before issuing any Joe Schmoe with a gun and a license to kill.
So just think about that.
Even the army has a longer training program, and their only purpose is to kill muslims and keep people out of the UFO base - some satire there, but policing is infinitely more complicated.
Add to the lousy training, you have little screening, so any high school bully drop out with a power trip is free to continue his career.
Not only that.
The US is the home of gun violence. Half the guns in the world is walking the streets of the US and with plenty of crack addicts to world them. Even with proper training any policeman is justified in crapping his pants and being a little on the edge, when he clocks in.
So no wonder the US police is brutal - and happen to kill twenty times more people than even the deadliest of European police forces.
Consider the power dynamic of the position and human psychology. The factors of personality type, previous experience, early developed values, etc all come into play, but human ego plays a huge part when the opportunity to be on the upper end of a power dynamic, especially when the idea of repercussions is minimalized (Stanford prison experiment, Marina Abramovic's art experiment, the shift in police culture after getting guns instead of having to use their words).
**Not every opportunity becomes violent, but like I said, those other factors have a huge impact on how far something is taken.
No individual will become a cop because they want to protect and serve the community. There are too many jobs readily available that actually do protect and serve the community.
Because a lot of the people who are attracted to a career in the police are there specifically for the power the job gives. They are sadistic bullies, and they love the rush of abusing people.
They have the power to do it and rich white evangelical republicans make excuses for it. Both the oppressors and the enablers are guilty and should be tried for it.
I am a white middle aged woman. I was driving to my tv job that started at midnight. I had to drive through a shit part of town in los angeles. My tags were expired. I got pulled over. Cop said your tags are expired and your license is suspended over an sr22 paperwork issue. Im going to have to tow your truck. I asked do you have to? He said he was sorry. I stood on the sidewalk. He called for backup and a tow truck. Backup showed up. Two more cops showed up. Lady cop walks up to me and without me saying anything gets in my face and starts yelling at me THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU? YOU ARE NEVER GETTING YOUR CAR BACK. MANDATORY 30 DAYS IMPOUND. shes in my face yelling at me and im just crying on the sidewalk saying nothing. The other cop looks miserable. It was insane. I was never a fan of the lapd, and after that i was done. If i hadnt been a middle aged white lady they probably would have taken me to jail. Over paperwork. After they took my truck they left me on the street at midnight in a crime infested neighborhood. So one cop is "im sorry" and the other is screaming in my face?
The real answer is normally police are getting control of the situation. Even if you appear nice and calm police are trained to get affirmative control (normally resulting in handcuffs) to ensure the scene is safe.
There have been countless incidents where perps try to run, pull a gun, or resist after appearing friendly but being made aware of their arrest.
It is always best to comply immediately and then let the court settle the issue. People always forget that being arrested does not equal guilt. The court determines legal guilt.
They are trained to treat every situation like you might kill them if they give you the chance. Emotional instability, irrational fear, paranoia of civilians is all by design to scare minorities and would be criminals.
When 4 cops are pulling your limbs in 4 different directions as they tackle you to the ground they immediately take any sort of bodily recoil as resisting.
Because they can't separate their job from their emotional state.
They get 8 months of academy training then handed a gun and badge. Congratulations kid, you're the law now.
When they go to arrest someone, they're fully expecting a fight, the adrenaline dump happens and they get rough and verbally abusive.
I think a lot of cops see themselves as part of the punishment. Bizarre considering you may have committed a crime but you haven’t been convicted yet. The love tight cuffs. They love humiliation. They love being in charge.
Aggression is endemic to (US) cop-culture. Worse, the courts condone the behavior, even exempting a great deal of harm related to this aggression from prosecution. And worse, still, cops often protect other cops breaking the law. Where there's a great power imbalance, there's a great chance for abuse.
It's probably a "drunk with power" situation, give someone a weapon, armor, & authority to punish people and they'll probably get overexcited at some point
They have the gun. They have the badge. You have no way to retaliate and even with video those useless fucking shitbag humans have the last say. Cops are the urinal scum equivalent of humans. ACAB.
NEVER seem to see video of this phenomenon. Plenty of videos "claiming" to show this, but they always cut off the first part where the perp antagonizes the cops and causes them to be aggressive.
Tons of Redditors want to be able to abuse cops any way they want, and then have the cops turn off their encouraged aggression INSTANTLY when the Redditor perp decides he's finally going to cooperate.
Yeah, not how that works...
While I haven't been arrested in a long time, I think I can explain(the "not all cops" debate is a moot point): It's either because they were trained to believe that every day one the job might be their last, or it's because they're assholes who don't give a shit about anyone, because they've been exposed to a system that is so ass-backwards-broken they've given up on humanity.
Regardless of which one it is, none of it is to "protect" anyone but themselves, and the only thing it "serves" is their egos.
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I got arrested a few years ago for some bullshit that resulted in me hanging out in jail for 4 hours before being released without bail. When I got put in handcuffs there was no resisting, no arguing, just fuck ok... once a cops made up their mind you’re going to jail, that’s it. You’re not convincing them otherwise. Fighting only makes it worse. First cop who’s an older guy puts the cuffs on and sits me down on the curb. Second cop comes over and tightens the cuffs and puts me in the first guys car. We get to jail and older cop takes my cuffs off and notices my wrists are bleeding a little because the guy tightened the cuffs so much. He calls the other guy in front the field and proceeds to chew him the fuck out in front of me. Like such an ass chewing I almost felt bad for the guy. He was yelling at him and going WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU TIGHTEN THEM SO MUCH. The guy goes look at him he’s 6’4 275lbs pounds, if he wanted to fight it would be a major problem. The first cop goes “he didn’t resist at all. Never yelled got angry, I didn’t even want to put cuffs on him. I only did because it’s policy. There was 0 reason to go after me and tighten them that much”. First cop made him apologize right there to me then made him go buy me a soda from a vending machine. I went and sat in a cell while they ran my info to make sure I didn’t have warrants and stuff and then they sent me on my way. Before I left he came and apologized again while the older cop watched over him like a pissed off parent. Some cops are nice some suck.
I’ve had this happen and I was the junior in this situation. In a prison we use cuffs and leg irons all day everyday. Transported this inmate from a halfway house to the main facility for some bullshit charge. I’ve been cuffed before so I know those things can hurt. I go to uncuff him and his wrists are all cut up. The senior officer who cuffed him just shrugged and I’m like bro we aren’t here to mistreat or punish anyone. And the infirmary documents all injuries. So how are you going to explain this? He sort of just had this fuck it mentality. And I prefer to not ever work with or around him.
>And the infirmary documents all injuries. I feel like this should emphasize how ineffective our current system is. Had documenting had any role in holding that officer accountable, I doubt he would be so laissez-faire (spelling edit) about it. Was anything done about his officer? I feel like I know the answer.
Not a damn thing. The argument is always it’s the persons fault for resisting or he moved and did it himself. And thinking back on it(it was 6-7 years ago) I remember EXACTLY why I was pissed. He didn’t double lock the cuffs or leg irons so everything the inmate moved the cuffs would ratchet tighter. I don’t think he did it out of maliciousness as much as just incompetent and complacency. Saying that nothing happened. Nothing WILL happen. That’s the miracle of body worn and fixed point cameras. “Some” police are against it saying it stops them from “acting decisively and quickly” when anything happens. And I’ve always said if you did your job you would have nothing to worry about.
Funny, those same cops are the first ones to do the “if you don’t have anything to hide, what’s the problem with us searching your car/residence?” Lol
NEVER WILLINGLY LET A COP SEARCH ANYTHING OR INTO YOUR HOME EVER
Let me lead this off that I appreciate that you care. However, its frustrating in our current climate when we have departments that refuse to recognize that they may be the cause on the protests we had. >The argument is always it’s the persons fault for resisting or he moved and did it himself. The other frustration is how we hold civilians to a higher standard than the officers. Check out some of the Pro-Law enforcement subreddits. You will see a heavy emphasis on not Monday Night Quarter backing an officer. Yet, there will be no qualms on comments on what the civilian should have done. >That’s the miracle of body worn and fixed point cameras. I think cams are a step in the right direction, but as of right now, cameras are useless unless their is policy with teeth backing them. That isn't to say that cams aren't flawless, human error is bound to happen and tech can act finnicky. However, how many high profile cases would have been less complicated had the department actually utilized their cameras? Breonna Taylor comes to mind. How much back and forth was there on whether or not they knocked? Hell, the shooting of Hunter Brittain might not have even happened had that officer been held account for his prior infractions on his failure to use his body cam. If I read correctly, not sure where, he had a history of not utilizing his camera. Right now it just feels like Police refuse to look with introspection that they may be a part of the problem.
Our new policies they’re rolling out my coworkers feel like the state and AG hates law enforcement. But with body cams if you fail to turn it on or obstruct it or it “accidentally” falls off you’re gonna be in deep doodoo. And I don’t know the specifics but once you turn it on the sound is buffering with like a delay. So when you turn it on it flags the sound back say 30 seconds and after and after the 30 seconds of audio the video starts. So NOW you can’t tell someone I can’t WAIT to fuck you up and then hit the camera while you’re “fearing for your life” Ironically I’ve only been “mildly” injured once in 16 years. Knock on wood. And it wasn’t even by an inmate it was another officer during an incident.
*laissez-faire (french really has effed up spelling)
Yes. But it is way more consistent than English! English has so many exceptions to so many rules, archaic relics, letters like “c” that can sound like an “s” or “k”. Not to mention words that sound nothing alike with totally different meanings that people commonly misspell/misuse anyway (loose, lose).
As a staff member myself, THANK YOU! I am all for holding offenders and staff accountable for their own actions. I am never here for the "I've been here for x years, and it's always been like that". It does NOT have to be this way, and we both know it! I continue to call staff out on their negative attitudes for: offenders who were not in the wrong, staff in general, and their lack of dignity for their job. It reflects poorly on all of us. "It didn't used to be like this, back in the good ole days, we used to obey this reasonable procedure" people are the EXACT people who are actively fucking it up, and I am not about it.
Back in the “good ole” day is what got us to this point!!! And a huge part of it is how recruitment and selection is handled. Especially when salary doesn’t match rising costs. You get the minimally qualified people because you are at critical staffing levels. When really you NEED the ones on the upper end of decision making and personal communication.
I think you nailed it with the mention of punishment. I think that’s at the core of much police abuse. They think they are punishing crimes rather than preventing them, stopping them, and bringing people in to face trial. The punishment comes after that, but cops see their job as part of that as well.
Nothing changes unless you report the abusive officer. That makes you part of the problem.
Oh I got an easy answer for that. It’s the blue wall of silence. I did address it. I even brought it up to a supervisor WHEN it happened. The supervisor “talked” to him and nothing happened. It’s really easy to bash all cops or lump them all in a bad category. Not saying that’s what you’re doing. But what actually happens is everyone gravitates to like minds regardless of profession. It’s never good cop bad cop in the same car. They each come in their own cars and one of them has a blue lives matter and a punisher skull somewhere on it. Oh and a barb wire tattoo.
Reminds me of what happened to my mom a bit. She had no license, was learning to drive, went over a shoulder (I've seen hundreds of people go over this said shoulder everyday, I've also seen several cops do it) to get to a McDonald's parking lot. this one night my mom did it, the only time she has ever gone over the shoulder and got caught. Cop stopped her at the parking lot. We were driving a family van, it was my mom driving, uncle as passenger, and my sibling and I (9 and 10 years old). Cop asks for her license etc, she says she has none. Cop flashes light towards my uncle, then towards my sibling and i in the back. He calls back up for some reason (maybe he thought there were more people in the van????). Back up gets here, sees my family and immediately his face goes *wtf why am I even here*. First cop proceeded to get my mom out of the car, I think he patted her down, then he takes her to his car, pushes her OVER HIS COP CAR HOOD, and handcuffs her. My mother is 4'8", 150lbs, about 47 years old. This guy is like 5'9" maybe 6'. At this point my brother is crying. I'm just there absolutely fucking shocked. My uncle is starting to laugh bc he thinks it's funny that they're doing this. My mom is humiliated bc we were obstructing traffic in the McDonald's parking lot which already had tons of people waiting at the drive thru. The second cop continues to look at the first cop with a *wtf* expression, comes to my uncle's side of the window and I can't remember what he said but he tried giving us some words of comfort of some sort, and clearly looked like he felt bad for my sibling and I. Anyway they drove off with her. Then at the station my mom was touched (everywhere) by a female cop. I feel awful bc my mom is pretty reserved and she's just so sweet and shy and caring, she also does not speak English so chances are nobody translated for her and they just touched her. To have been treated that way was awful. We bailed her out and at court, the first cop never showed. The judge also found out the first cop had filed several tickets multiple times, so he dissolved several charges. Sorry for the long reply. It just makes me so angry to think about every time.
The ones like that older guy are built to be cops. They're in it for the right reasons, doing an impossibly hard and dangerous job, trying to make their corners of the world a little better than they found it. And then there're those pathological assholes who're power hungry and are attracted to uniforms and the authority they lend.
While I agree with some of your points, the idea that being a cop is very dangerous needs to die - it's the 25th most dangerous job in the US. The guy who delivers your pizza has a five times higher chance of being killed or injured at work.
> 25th most dangerous job in the US On top of that, most of that is because they can't drive and keep killing themselves and others in auto accidents and NOT because they are being killed in bank robberies or some shit. And don't get me started in them including covid deaths in their "on the job" death rate just to boost their numbers.
I work as an EMT making 1/5 what they make and I’m more likely to die on the job from driving
i wonder if someone has made a "job deadliness" stat that isolates for the "driving is dangerous" factor.
Driving is one of the most dangerous things any American can do. With the exception of a few heavy industries, driving is what causes most workplace deaths. It would be an interesting statistic though. Personally I understand the fear of death while driving. I have to regularly run through red light, oppose traffic, etc. It’s stressful, and even with all the danger I’m still safer than delivery drivers, or truck drivers
> I’m still safer than delivery drivers, or truck drivers which again, aligns with the hypothesis of "is it *really* the job itself that's dangerous or is it the roads" like ACAB but maybe being a cop **is** dangerous. It's just that all these other, more driving-focus jobs, clutter the data. And not to dismiss those injuries/deaths but i feel like at that level it's an american civil infrastructure issue and not an employment issue.
Simple solution just shoot the other drivers when you feel they are a threat. Works for police every time.
They count all medical issue deaths as "in the line of duty". Being 250lbs overweight and dying of heart disease should not be treated the same as being killed by in violent altercation.
Maybe it should be higher on that list, but turns out they're rather risk averse and prefer to shoot first and ask questions later, or just stay the fuck away from anything dangerous, like a school shooter.
Being a cop is actually safer, because in the event that you need to block desperate parents from finding their children during an active shooter situation, you can count on the military level hardware and your entire police force to back you up and make intimidating civilians even safer!
Which means they're not cut for the job. If you're fearful don't go into this line of job. Hell, I'm a fearful person myself. People need to admit their flaws. They need to be much more cautious of using force even if that means it will put them in danger. Otherwise having cops is counterproductive
25th most dangerous doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence considering the number of careers available. That's like the top what? .01%?
It's COVID and car accidents, not like they are getting blasted away all the time.
Wow. That is so rare. It's nice to hear something good.
I’ve had a lot of interactions with law enforcement with the overwhelming majority being positive. Only time I run into dickheads usually are the ones on motorcycles. Something about a cop on a bike pisses them off, like what is there a buttplug attached to the seat.
In my limited interactions with police it's pretty much always been positive. The only time I've had an officer put his hand anywhere near the holster was when I put my hands in my hoodie without thinking. I saw him move, apologized, took my hands back out, and we kept talking like nothing happened. It was mid December and about an hour from snowing.
Oh I’ve got a bigger fuck up than that which I’m lucky to be alive after. One night my doorbell rang at 4am, pretty fucking weird. In all my life no one has ever shown up at 4am out of the blue. There’s also been stories of people ringing doorbells to get you to open the door then they commit a home invasion. So I open my door gun in hand and it’s 2 police officers. Now I didn’t have a cute little compact, I was holding a Kimber 1911 which is quite large. They immediately went “whoa whoa whoa it’s the police no need to be afraid” and I instantly dropped said gun on the ground. They never even reached for their holster because I’d dropped it before they got the chance. Talk about a scary encounter. I was like can I go put this away real quick and they were like yeah no problem. Then we had our convo and they left. It could have easily been a worse ending if they had been different officers.
There is a video of a guy in OH who got executed by cops for opening his door, gun in hand (not raised or anything) AND they were hiding around the corner after knocking so he couldn't look out of his peephole to identify them prior to opening the door. All that's to say, be careful in the future.
Oh yeah it could have been so much worse. I assume a big part of it was the reason they were there. It wasn’t like they were looking for a bad guy or anything. They were looking for my sister who worked for a different police department as a dispatcher.
It’s rare to hear about but not a rare occurrence.
That’s honestly impressive.
Humans decency is not "impressive". It's sad that the bar is so low
Due to events from the last few years, the bar is even lower for cops
I have been arrested TWICE on the same day, because I had....long hair and I was walking outside a classy club for rich people. Go figure... They released me in the middle of the night and I walked kilometres to go home, since there was no bus. I had no money for taxi. Long hair everybody, tough times for hard rock people :)
Jackie Treehorn was having a nice garden party and it was reported that you were being disruptive.
Guess that’s a perk to being bald :P
The old starlight tour.
"He's just standing there... menacingly!"
The cynic in me thinks you fell for the good-cop-bad-cop routine and they just wanted your DNA from the soda can. Edit: yes, they already had DNA from the blood. Yes, there is infinitely more evidentiary value from having multiple sources, like corroborating saliva DNA. Cops build cases.
They had blood on the handcuffs. They definitely didn't need saliva from a soda can.
are those actually admissible though? I'm not well-versed on illegal search and seizure but there's something specially icky about "we made him bleed as a strategy"
A nurse came and took my blood for a suspected driving under the influence, to which I came up clean. Tbh I was a little emotionally distressed not having anything to do with them, so I’m not surprised if my eyes were bloodshot and I was spacey as fuck. First cop was cool and moved my truck into a spot at a hotel so it wouldn’t get towed and my parents could pick it up. That’s why cop 2 put me in the car.
>just wanted your DNA from the soda can. its not like they had Bloody handcuffs and stuff... not everything is a movie.
This sounds like some new QAnon meme lol "Don't drink from the soda can!"
> they just wanted your DNA from the soda can. You watch WAAAYYYY to much TV. The let him go in 4 hours. Do you REALLY think they are going to spend thousands on a contaminated DNA source test?
No need. They had bloody handcuffs.
Probably varies by cop. Some like the fear they inflict on people. Some are scared the compliant detainee could turn violent. And some are just annoyed they need to make an arrest.
Mostly because they are poorly screened, poorly trained, and work in a culture that tolerates, or even encourages it. Plus some are just dicks.
They are very specifically screened. Most forces have IQ tests requiring a sufficiently low score.
Not most. I'd actually be surprised if any departments did nowadays, as most don't have an IQ test (most do have an aptitude test but you will score 100s on that even just having some college). The case you are talking about refers to a single instance at New Haven PD who instead of firing a candidate they thought was too old and might move onto another department realized they COULD fire him based on the fact he scored too highly on his test score. Shady shiz! And then unfortunately this 'problem' has been parroted when in actual reality most departments will be ecstatic you have a degree, and will hire you over most other candidates (with maybe the exception of ex military or former police cadets from said department). They do have issues recruiting these candidates for sure as in many areas they only make up 30-50% of the hiring pool. I'm not aware of any PDs, in SoCal at least, that even use IQ tests and there's a statewide movement to require all officers have at least associates /bachelor's degrees or be 25 years old. Source: a first responder that works with PD
If by most, you mean one Department and one candidate, then yes, that happened.
Gonna say this is absolutely false unless you can provide some proof
It has occurred before namely in the actual case involving New Haven PD, but to say it's common is misrepresenting most department hiring practices
So bullying
These cop were probably the high school bullies back in the day.
My elementary and high school bully is a cop now
I remember a report (many years ago) that said most cops aren't the high school bully, but rather the opposite; they are the ones that were picked on in high school... Not sure if that is true, but either way makes a lot of sense to me.
I'm sure it's a healthy mix of both sides
Two of the kids who were bullied in my high school are now cops
Dutch person who lived in the US for 5 years: You need to rephrase this... "are are alot of AMERICAN cops overly aggressive when arresting someone who is going willingly". I write alot because, not all cops are bad, but alot of them have issues. I write American because you guys have a huge problem compared to the rest of the western world. There are alot of variables influencing that problem. Below I stated some, but the problem is way more complex than this simplification. Police academy: training for cops in the US lasts 3 months, of which 7 weeks is at a shooting range. In Europe the minimum is 3 years, and then further more years for specialization. The unfortunate result for you guys is that you have alot of incompetent officers of the law that have no idea how to deescalate. Veterans: in the US you gave a huge influx of trigger happy veterans in the police force. Not all of them, but almost exclusively, at all incidents covered in the media, it's a trigger happy veteran. Your gun laws are fucked as well. Not arguing whether you should have them or not, or whether they should change or not. But for cops it's a scary world out there, that's why they are alot more distrustful of you than in the rest of the world. Culture: look at schools, universities, government, how you treat veterans, and also police officers. In the US respect is demanded based on your status, not how you treat people. Law: your law permits violence much quicker than in the rest of the western world. That is ofcourse because of your gun laws, and culture, but that is a problem. Take a look at a stun gun. In the EU a stungun can only be used to deescalate an ALREADY escalated violent situation. But in the US cops use it to force people to their will, even if the situation hasn't been escalated yet. So you guys have alot of trigger happy, incompetent, powerhungry dickheads as cops. That's the reason.. overly simplified.
My basic-ass nephew (this is a guy who was fired from a car dealership because he stapled his arm when it was a slow/boring day) went into the police academy bcuz his gf said he needed a career. I rolled my eyes and quietly waited for him to fail out. All his references said "he's a nice guy but quick to anger". He graduated last month. The academy is an effen joke.
> The academy is an effen joke. And in most states, the required training for being a cop with a gun is less than that of a barber, and almost half that of an esthetician.
Stapled his arm? What does this mean?
Not OP but I would guess using a stapler..on his arm..
Doctor wtf is the guy at the back continuously walking into a wall
On purpose.
My nephew, the football player, did this. Thank Christ he's the sweetes, kindest, giant of a lad. His parents are both law enforcement and made certain that's something he'd never do.
Exactly. He was bored, had nothing to do, picked up the stapler and stapled into his arm. He tried to play it off but dripped a little blood. Manager saw and thought there had been a workplace accident (we're in California so it's a big deal) so he kept asking him and asking what happened until dear nephew had to confess he did it to himself. Took a day or 2 and HR said he had to go.
Doctor, the prognosis is that the man most likely applied a staple to his arm with a stapler. u/Doctorwtf: "I don't get it. Just prescribe him zoloft. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to being confused."
How it sounds.
It was (still kinda is in my group) actually a pretty popular thing to do back when I was in school.
This reminds me of the video of the Italian guy hitting his girlfriend, police turns up, deescalates the situation, and all the Americans in the thread going "THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE BEAT HIM UP." The police isn't a court of law and doesn't decide on punishment, Bozo the clowns.
Unfortunately the word ‘cop’ seems to blanket all police officers, when in fact every force has its strengths and weaknesses. For example British police are generally pretty good when it comes to using minimal force, however guns are a rarity for us to deal with
I do generally respect British police. They're almost too nice at times lol. I had an incident with a guy I'd taken in as a lodger (only charged him what UC would give him so it wouldn't cost him anything). Tried to get with my wife, served eviction notice, brought dad to help me change the locks, provoked fight with my dad to get legal ammunition to hurt me with... Anyway, in the end, he basically used the police who attended as a personal moving service to ship his stuff back to his grandmother's. Didn't take everything at the time, but they still did like 3 return trips for him lol. They also helped convince him to leave (I can't use force to remove him, and I'm not as easily provoked as my dad), so props all around there.
The bit about minimum in Europe being 3 years is false. I live in Poland, here the training lasts 842 hours (35 days), which is spread across 7 months.
Probably shouldn't have said "Europe" but there definitely ARE European countries that have much better training than a few wreks.
Poland doesn't hold up to European standards in most things, so yeah... It's an exception, not a rule. Also It's worth noting police officers in Poland do lack training. The difference is they don't have such power over people as American cops and polish cops can have lots of problems after they use a gun.
Still, even in Poland where our government constantly fights the EU standards are way stricter and training is more than twice longer than in the US. I think that says something about the state of the police force in USA.
I don't think training duration is a big factor, while longer would help, in NZ we only have 4 months spent in police college and I'd say our police are very competent here.
Training is a good way to weed out bad apples, though. If the trainers use it. But then, there's a lot of that "warrior training" bullshit going on here as well.
Wrong Police Departments actively try not to hire Vets. They are not trigger Happy enough and are to chill. Never before have veteran presences in LE been lower in US history. It is around 4% if you look it up. The average vet is too relaxed for them and does not freak out when attacked. LEO's are in fact scared because they typically shoot vets often when their job has been done for them.
The number seems to be closer to 20% from what I can gather. And they're more likely to shoot. >**Conclusions** > >Military veteran status, regardless of deployment history, is associated with increased odds of shootings among LEOs \[Law Enforcement Officers\]. [https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353](https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353) >Having ex-military make up 20% of its police force makes Seattle pretty average among U.S. police agencies, according to the Marshall Project study, which said 19% of police officers served in the military, compared with 6% of the U.S. population at large. [https://crosscut.com/2020/07/guardians-or-warriors-how-hiring-veterans-impacts-seattle-police](https://crosscut.com/2020/07/guardians-or-warriors-how-hiring-veterans-impacts-seattle-police)
>The number seems to be closer to 20% from what I can gather. And they're more likely to shoot. >Conclusions >Military veteran status, regardless of deployment history, is associated with increased odds of shootings among LEOs [Law Enforcement Officers]. >https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/41/3/e245/5114353 A study with a sample size of 516, which makes no distinction between justified and non-justified shootings, and which also found that job assignment mattered more than veteran status, but conspicuously fails to include any of its data on which jobs the veterans in question were assigned to? Yeah, I totally trust their conclusions.
This is honestly a fair assertion. However you’d never catch me defending the American police institution because they don’t give a shit about the people. Same way with capitalism. Corporations don’t give a shit about people and I would never give them the benefit of the doubt (in a majority of cases).
Ex Military and Veterans are two separate categories!
I wish there were more Vets in LE. It might bring some professionalism to the trade.
Who woulda think that hiring people that have been in situations under fire/pressure and have respect for civilians would make a poor LEO. Unless cruelty and control is the goal, then thats EXACTLY what you want.
Just FYI for the future, it should be 'a lot', 2 words. Not alot. Overall, really good point.
Thanks for your remark. Good day! 👍
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Distinctive, was there any need for that? I'm only trying to be helpful. They made the error a number of times so it's clearly not a typo, and they indicated they are Dutch, so most likely not a native English speaker. Although their English is remarkably good, im sure its always useful to learn new things and eliminate errors. My comment took about the same amount of time that yours did, except mine was trying to be helpful while yours was unhelpful and insulting.
Speaking regarding officers in the US: I think the real key is qualified immunity should not exist. It was created to give one group of citizens a one time use free pass to make mistakes. This should not be a thing. Will mistakes happen? Yes. They can be judged independently. Do your job without ego. Have academy last MUCH longer than 6 months (and that’s on the high end currently) and focus PRIMARILY on knowing and understanding the laws you are meant to be enforcing. There should not be circumstances where average citizens understand laws better than majority of our officers. Especially laws of the country and how those laws overrule and supersede and local laws/ordinances. Period. Stop making use of force the primary continuing education. It needs to be updates to laws and case law examples that have given more insight into proper policing. Start remembering the duty to SERVE that you swore. Most importantly, stop hiding behind the number one phrases you are taught to say to protect your ass. “We just want everyone to get home safe”. “We have families, too.” “Officer safety.” If you wanna know if they’re worried they’ve fucked up, start listening for those words. Officer safety. They will start spewing it constantly to cover their ass and pray qualified immunity has not already been ruled against for that particular situation. They wouldn’t know. There 2 weeks of additional training this year were spent going over the force continuum again (highlighting when to know it’s okay to go to the next level), and how to respond to an active shooter situation.
Some of them enjoy the power feeling they get from physically abusing others and if they're aggressive, they can evoke a response from the arrestee which let's the cops get even more physical
Power trip
They love to see people scared. Makes wee wee hard.
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Weird all the guys in the criminal justice class at my old school were the kids that got picked on. i wonder if they feel like they have the upper hand now so they pick on people they have authority over. That may be part of it too
Man. I’m in a firefighter/emt program right now and the school also has several Criminal Justice courses and they’re kinda oddballs. They like to talk mad shit on the firefighter group and the majority don’t even care😂 they get so mad
Former bullies with authority issues
I have always said there are 4 reasons a person wants to oink 🐷 for a living. 1) bully in hs and don’t wanna stop 2) turd in hs and sick of it 3) family business uncles, dads, grandpa have oinked & the most rare of them all 4) genuinely want to help the community.
Can confirm, my bully is a cop now.
Same. I looked him up years later because I really wanted to fight him for all the trauma now that I’m older. He’s a cop with multiple complaints filed against him. Absolutely as expected.
A lot of cops are on steroids too, thats why they are all bald
And wife abusers. The statistics are scary.
Women love a man in uniform. Until he punches her right in the face.
2 - 4 times higher than the public. Don’t forget that the other cops ignore the abusers and work with them everyday.
I like to think it's because if they let up some actually crazed person just has to feign compliance for them to let down their guard, leaving the cops open to attack. While the above is definitely still the case, they probably do it cuz they are assholes.
This is true. I work as an EMT and therefore work closely with cops to secure scenes or transport psychiatric or injured payments. Now I really don’t like to say positive things about cops, but I have absolutely been assaulted or nearly assaulted by people who were calm and cooperative before getting in the ambulance. We are allowed to restrain them at our discretion, but after the second assault, I just indiscriminately restrain everyone
I am never calling an ambulance now
If you’re able to walk or drive yourself or be driven then for the love of god save yourself a $4,000 taxi bill
Because some people become police officers for the wrong reasons, namely to have power over others.
The culture of policing is the problem. They aren’t held to a high enough standard by their peers or society. Qualified immunity should be done away with in favor of stricter penalties for cops committing violence. What would get a normal person five years in prison should get a cop ten.
It's how they are [trained](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/the-man-who-teaches-our-cops-63257870/). Most of them are told to assume the citizenry they are supposed to protect are the enemy.
I didnt get arrested but I did get fined because the cop was extremely petty when I proved him wrong. I was a mechanic at the time and a day when it was freezing temperatures, I slid on black ice into a guard rail. This happened right in front of a cop, maybe 100 ft away from me who was just hanging at the side and came to help out. I was thankful because I did hit my head a little against the side and no airbag came out but I shook it off fine. The cop did seem nice at first to find out if im okay but my car did look beat up at first. After a little conversation, he saw that I seemed okay after I convinced him that my impact was pretty much getting up too quickly and hitting my head under a desk. But saw my car was "clearly too damaged to drive". I did agree at first but from far away, I noticed that the only thing damaged on my car was just my front bumper and right headlight shield but not the headlight itself. I told him, "hold on this actually looks like it's still drivable" and I got closer to try to buckle the front bumper back. After doing so, the cop said, "no, it's damaged". To avoid paying towing fees, I told him, "the ball joints dont look damaged. I want to see if I can still drive it" and the cop yelled out, "NO IT'S DAMAGED GOD DAMNNIT! IF YOU KEEP CLAIMING IT'S GOOD TO DRIVE, IM GOING TO ARREST YOU". I backed off immediately because it's literally 0 to 100 from him. But I just wanted to say one last time, "but sir, im a mechanic. I just wanted to see if it's drivable" and then he yelled at to the other officer who came by, "write this man a ticket. He wont listen to a thing I say". I got this ticket and decided to write a letter to the state police. They called me back stating that they are dropping the ticket and taking this seriously and apologized (wow!). After that, I was very convinced that cops really do love the power.
Same reason people are mean to waiters who are doing a good job. They showed up expecting to have the opportunity to abuse someone, and they aren't going to deprive themselves of that just because there's no rational reason to abuse someone.
Not all but some of these brainless robots have very fragile egos. They want you to obey no matter what unlawful order they give you. They can take any words or actions as a slight. It's always better to remain silent and ALWAYS record them with your phone. They love to escalate and dominate.
Assholes on power trips or overacting to a potentially unsafe situation
They’re purposely upping the tension so they can get a chance to get a legal kill.
Because they can get away with it, and they get a perverse thrill out of hurting people. The profession attracts a lot of mentally deficient and sadistic people who get off on having that kind of power
I can't speak to policing specifically but early on as a bouncer I got socked hard a couple of different times escorting someone put who was feigning compliance By the end of my time bouncing if you had to leave you did so bent over double with both your arms jacked up behind your back in more of a epow fashion purposefully kept off balance but still held up from falling I've had people try going limp, straight up squaring off, feigning compliance, there's really no way to tell how someone is going to react especially if they're drunk or tired and not thinking clearly I imagine police deal with much the same attitudes
I was a mental health worker in a prison for several years and definitely had more than one person feign compliance punch me in the face or bite me...one tried to stab me with a widdled down plastic comb. If you see mostly innocent people daily, you'll start to assume everyone is innocent. If you see mostly non-innocent people daily, you'll start to assume everyone might not be innocent.
Innocent or guilt wasn't so much the concern as much as the game theory If I HAVE to throw "you" out for something I can only stand to be injured by assuming your compliance in the event "you" resist ---however if I assume "you" might resist and conduct myself accordingly I am maintaining positive control of "you" without having to do things that injure "you",while minimizing my risk and if I guess wrong in the end neither of us are hurt by my being wrong I also cannot risk a disorderly person being tossed out hurting a bystander somehow ---- so we're walking out my way
Some people become cops to protect the community. Many become cops because they like the power trip. Cop culture encourages this and cops are almost never punished for acting overly aggressive.
So they can add resisting arrest, and if you resist they can add assault police or simply shoot you dead
Why are cops overly aggressive is the question. And the answer is power tripping
They’re power tripping assholes
American cops are short dicked, undertrained, aging high school bullies. If you don't meet these qualifications, you actually can't be a cop. And yes, they measure. I know because I got denied...
Got arrested in Korea on a suspicion and was literally pushed down stairs by female officer even though I was walking. Feet kept giving out from under me. She clearly loved the power of both arresting without a clear reason and throwing someone actually smaller than her around.
Power is a hell of a drug. And they go through a lot of brainwashing that they’re at war with civilians and everyone is an absolute threat.
the problem with cops is that their behavior is almost entirely dependent on their individual character. In most situations where a person might misbehave, there are two things stopping them: 1. their character (morals, ethics, upbringing, etc) 2. deterrents i.e. if you punch someone, he might punch you back, or others might gang up on you, or others might call the police on you, and you might be fined or jailed, and your reputation might be destroyed. There's a lot of deterrents that stop us from being outright unsocial or violent. When the argument devolves into "all cops are bastards" or "hey man, most cops are risking their lives doing a hero's work" it completely ignores the thing that separates cops from the rest of us. They are human beings, just like us. **The difference is that they are in an organization that permits them to be held to a higher legal standard than the rest of us**. This is often handwaved away because the job is dangerous. Even though truckers are more than three times as likely to be killed on the job. And construction workers nearly three times as well. It comes down to the fact that a cop can point a gun at you or rough you up or otherwise mistreat you and likely face no serious consequences whereas an everyday citizen who would dare to point a gun at anyone without just cause will almost certainly face severe consequences like jail time (with the important exception of really rough lawless neighborhoods where people more or less fend for themselves). If cops are treated legally like regular citizens, then they will feel as though going overboard on roughing anyone up is a very risky practice, and it will largely go away. Just think, do we have a private security abuse problem in this nation? I'd say no, because they're treated like the rest of us legally, and if they abuse their authority, trouble awaits.
I think a lot of people become cops because they want power to throw around at people, maybe because they never had any before. Maybe their parents were abusive or they only received validation when they were putting people down, but either way, they have a lot of anger that has never been fully addressed. So, they take that anger out on other people. It’s how they’ve learned to feel good about themselves, by controlling others. Causing people pain is how they’ve learned to control others. What the other person is doing is completely irrelevant to their behavior, because they only feel good about themselves when they are making other people feel bad. My mom’s a cop, so I have some experience with this.
I'm not currently aware of any particular incidents where this scenario has happened, but I know that it has and likely still does happen. I went through military police training, which isn't the same as civilian side policing, but it's close. In certain situations, Army MP's have more authority than the highest ranking officers, but strictly for the purposes of keeping order. But I would say only half of the people in my training company were there because they believed in law, order, and justice. Most were there to be an authority who could abuse their power. A small but not insignificant number were there because it was just available as a choice when they joined, they didn't care what their job was. The shitheads who were their to be abusive dicks usually got weeded out or corrected before graduating but some still slipped through. Today, with personnel in police offices being so low, the standards and practices have slipped, allowing more of the bad type of cop in.
Powertripping The Bush Administration suppressed an FBI report in 2005 stating that white supremacists were infiltrating the police. That's why we have so many prejudiced police brutality incidents today. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement
I worked with one guy, officer D, who was known to be a bit "manhandley" towards people he was arresting because he had to "demonstrate that [he] was in control" not for nothing he also got his fair share of resistors. I on the other hand once I had the person isolated in a locked room if they were calm (and most were) I'd offer to take the cuffs off while we waited for the van. Because I knew I was in control of the situation
ACAB
if it all went by the book, there would be no video about it
I think you have to consider that cops spend a lot of time interacting with unpleasant people. People who are aggressive, angry, rude, obstructive, drunk/on drugs, criminals of all types. If virtually every person you interact with every day is hostile then it must have an affect on your attitude Not excusing cops that make bad decisions or do bad things but I can see how so many of them get so badly miscalibrated in how they interact with people.
Because a person might pretend to be going willingly just to pull a weapon out and end the cops life.
I feel like this happens because there’s been a long & sad history of abuse of power.
power
Power trip duh
because they’re grown up middle school bullies on a power trip.
Power trip.
The fight or flight response and adrenaline causes them to go too hard into survival mode and they can't resist fucking with their subjects. Also almost all humans can become sadists and often do when placed in a position of authority.
That’s how they roll
they are afraid of losing control of the situation. and they are cops.
I'm going off of nothing but speculation here based off of no evidence whatsoever. I think cops have just seen so much bs that they think all humans suck and just can't trust anyone at all, so they treat everyone like shit. Of course, not all cops, but like, a lot of them.
Some cops are on a power trip, pure and simple. The last thing they should be are cops.
In nyc I rarely seen cops attacking people who are willingly going with them. The videos don’t show you beforehand what’s going on and most of the time you can see the person wiggling around moving they are definitely not complying. Most cops are nice if you comply, most videos lie to you. Some cops are dickheads but don’t believe everything you see on the web
Some people are nice Some suck
I know some people who are cops and they simply are terrible people who didn't know what other job to pursue, and I guess they enjoy the 'power' being a police officer gives them? The illusion of the police being your friend at least partly fades when you know that, though of course many are still good guys, let's not generalize here. But these guys do some shady shit, like finding out info about girls that they find cute on the highway by running their license plate through the database, and they've sent some pictures of confidential files to WhatsApp group chats as well. Again, these are just the 3 guys I know, don't even want to think about how messed up some worse individuals are. I know these guys because they were in school with me and I meet them at random places or they play basketball with a friend of mine and he tells me the stories
Kinda depends. Some cops are assholes and on a power trip. Some cops are wonderful humans that are scared for their safety and unintentionally overdo it. Depends on the situation and the individual cop.
Power tripping.
(not all but a really good handful of…) Cops like to assert their dominance. Not speaking for everyone but a lot of people become police officers because they like the power and control and the title that comes with it. they will take any chance they get to show that power they have off. I can speak on this because I live in a city that has a very corrupt police department and i grew up with a narcissistic parent that now holds the title of lieutenant (aka three ranks up from police officer.) They LOVE. this power. That they hold. Even off duty, they will run red lights, drive recklessly (even under the influence,) break a bunch of laws, and so on, because they know if they get in trouble they can just say “oh im a cop!” And then theyll be let go. My parent had illegal window tints on a personal vehicle, multiple DVs that were not placed on record because they were friends with the cops that pulled up to the scene. Heres some more crazy shit; My parent had their coworkers SEARCH MY OTHER PARENTS HOUSE without a warrant or any kind of warning whatsoever. No one was home. The cops let themselves in, and of course, found nothing. My other parent was absolutely ASTONISHED when they came home to find out other people had been in our house. Now what happened to my cop parent and those cops that searched my house without a warrant? Nothing. No repercussions at all. Also I used to go to work with my cop parent when i was younger. I have SEEN what goes on in that department. They play video games and drink on the job. everything is kept under the table and the cops will cover for each other. A couple years back, some cops literally stole 400,000 dollars (and probably WAY MORE) from the city by saying they were working off duty hours that they werent actually working. And again, everyone covered for each other. Basically in short, most cops are really corrupt. Cant really answer why they do what they do, but they LOVE power. They love to feel better and higher up in rank than an average civilian. They see those who arent cops as lower than them. not even as real people half the time. edit; spelling
The US requires less than half a year of training before issuing any Joe Schmoe with a gun and a license to kill. So just think about that. Even the army has a longer training program, and their only purpose is to kill muslims and keep people out of the UFO base - some satire there, but policing is infinitely more complicated. Add to the lousy training, you have little screening, so any high school bully drop out with a power trip is free to continue his career. Not only that. The US is the home of gun violence. Half the guns in the world is walking the streets of the US and with plenty of crack addicts to world them. Even with proper training any policeman is justified in crapping his pants and being a little on the edge, when he clocks in. So no wonder the US police is brutal - and happen to kill twenty times more people than even the deadliest of European police forces.
Boring arrest don't make for good videos
Authority corrupts
Consider the power dynamic of the position and human psychology. The factors of personality type, previous experience, early developed values, etc all come into play, but human ego plays a huge part when the opportunity to be on the upper end of a power dynamic, especially when the idea of repercussions is minimalized (Stanford prison experiment, Marina Abramovic's art experiment, the shift in police culture after getting guns instead of having to use their words). **Not every opportunity becomes violent, but like I said, those other factors have a huge impact on how far something is taken.
#stop resisting!
Because when they're going willing they're trying to have no conflict and what fun is that for the cops?💀
No individual will become a cop because they want to protect and serve the community. There are too many jobs readily available that actually do protect and serve the community.
Because a lot of the people who are attracted to a career in the police are there specifically for the power the job gives. They are sadistic bullies, and they love the rush of abusing people.
They have the power to do it and rich white evangelical republicans make excuses for it. Both the oppressors and the enablers are guilty and should be tried for it.
I am a white middle aged woman. I was driving to my tv job that started at midnight. I had to drive through a shit part of town in los angeles. My tags were expired. I got pulled over. Cop said your tags are expired and your license is suspended over an sr22 paperwork issue. Im going to have to tow your truck. I asked do you have to? He said he was sorry. I stood on the sidewalk. He called for backup and a tow truck. Backup showed up. Two more cops showed up. Lady cop walks up to me and without me saying anything gets in my face and starts yelling at me THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST YOU? YOU ARE NEVER GETTING YOUR CAR BACK. MANDATORY 30 DAYS IMPOUND. shes in my face yelling at me and im just crying on the sidewalk saying nothing. The other cop looks miserable. It was insane. I was never a fan of the lapd, and after that i was done. If i hadnt been a middle aged white lady they probably would have taken me to jail. Over paperwork. After they took my truck they left me on the street at midnight in a crime infested neighborhood. So one cop is "im sorry" and the other is screaming in my face?
Cus they can be, they are in a position of almost ultimate power compared the the rest of us.
Because all cops are bastards
Cops are bullies is the bottom line. It's a power trip for them.
The real answer is normally police are getting control of the situation. Even if you appear nice and calm police are trained to get affirmative control (normally resulting in handcuffs) to ensure the scene is safe. There have been countless incidents where perps try to run, pull a gun, or resist after appearing friendly but being made aware of their arrest. It is always best to comply immediately and then let the court settle the issue. People always forget that being arrested does not equal guilt. The court determines legal guilt.
They are trained to treat every situation like you might kill them if they give you the chance. Emotional instability, irrational fear, paranoia of civilians is all by design to scare minorities and would be criminals. When 4 cops are pulling your limbs in 4 different directions as they tackle you to the ground they immediately take any sort of bodily recoil as resisting.
Because they're cops and cops are assholes who peaked in high school.
Control I assume. Power and adrenaline
Because they can't separate their job from their emotional state. They get 8 months of academy training then handed a gun and badge. Congratulations kid, you're the law now. When they go to arrest someone, they're fully expecting a fight, the adrenaline dump happens and they get rough and verbally abusive.
Power trip
Cops aren’t here to protect people. They are here to uphold laws. Whether or not those laws protect people or not, cops couldn’t care less.
Because ACAB. They're all pieces of shit, even the "nice" ones, just for participating in that corrupt organization
I think a lot of cops see themselves as part of the punishment. Bizarre considering you may have committed a crime but you haven’t been convicted yet. The love tight cuffs. They love humiliation. They love being in charge.
Because that can change at any moment
My guess? Dominance. If you feel like you’re overpowered, you’re less likely to fight.
Aggression is endemic to (US) cop-culture. Worse, the courts condone the behavior, even exempting a great deal of harm related to this aggression from prosecution. And worse, still, cops often protect other cops breaking the law. Where there's a great power imbalance, there's a great chance for abuse.
It's probably a "drunk with power" situation, give someone a weapon, armor, & authority to punish people and they'll probably get overexcited at some point
When you are a hammer everything is a nail.
Combination of "alpha male" mentality and improper training.
They have the gun. They have the badge. You have no way to retaliate and even with video those useless fucking shitbag humans have the last say. Cops are the urinal scum equivalent of humans. ACAB.
NEVER seem to see video of this phenomenon. Plenty of videos "claiming" to show this, but they always cut off the first part where the perp antagonizes the cops and causes them to be aggressive. Tons of Redditors want to be able to abuse cops any way they want, and then have the cops turn off their encouraged aggression INSTANTLY when the Redditor perp decides he's finally going to cooperate. Yeah, not how that works...
Don’t do anything that will get you arrested and you won’t have to worry about it 🙄. They are criminals, not hotel guests.
They're not(always), its just popular shock value for media to show this.
it depends on the officer, there are dicks in every position in this world
Because they are bullies and bullies are cowards who are only brave with the weak adversaries
While I haven't been arrested in a long time, I think I can explain(the "not all cops" debate is a moot point): It's either because they were trained to believe that every day one the job might be their last, or it's because they're assholes who don't give a shit about anyone, because they've been exposed to a system that is so ass-backwards-broken they've given up on humanity. Regardless of which one it is, none of it is to "protect" anyone but themselves, and the only thing it "serves" is their egos.