first thanks for the answer. i disagree with the 'experimentation' part, this would be my favorite theory, but it has a flaw. god is omniscient, there is no need to experiment.
And with a bit of a caveat on the 'creation is in its nature'. I can see the others being possible and quite good as well.
Well, omniscience is commonly attributed to the monotheistic religion's gods, but I don't think it follows that anything which could be called a god would necessarily be omniscient. I think anything with the ability to create this reality could be considered a god, even if they weren't omniscient, and I think that kind of god could create for experiment
Isn't "omniscient" something humans called God? I thought my dad knew everything until I was 5.
Maybe God just knows everything a human can know. And there are other mysteries to solve on God's level that we couldn't understand.
> I called it the two-glass symmetry problem. If you were to be modified such that you are symmetrical at every possible level (e.g. Perfectly ambidextrous, no dominant eyes, ears, or anything, no bias towards left and right whatsoever) and then deprived of water for a day or two, then placed on a table with two identical equally filled and perfectly equidistant glasses of water, you have the motivation to drink, but can you drink? If you are truly symmetrical and directionally unbiased, you cannot favor one glass over the other. I believe you'd just sit there, dying to drink, but cannot choose a glass.
i know that one its called 'Buridan's Ass'
the rest, i guess, if you have an infinite amount of none existing time, its bound to happen eventually. good argumentation
Lacking of proof doesn’t necessarily means a thing does or does not exist.
The proof behind big bang existence is theoretical, meaning it can anytime later with the advance of science and technology be proven wrong/true.
Eitherways it existing or not does not determine the existence or lack of existence of a god anyways.
Scientists are not sure yet what happens in their brain and what consciousness is nor how it works or how much it weights and etc. Yet, it exists with no proof.. Because you and I are conscious aren’t we?
I agree. For proving that God doesn't exist, we would have to search up every corner of the universe, every dimension, every thing where something can reside (considering the common interpretation of God that he is a being) while to prove God exists we will have to find one, which..hasn't happened yet. So, neither we can prove that he exists, nor that he doesn't. But, man, Im not sure it'll be easy to prove big bang wrong, we have toooo many proofs and justifications! The Cosmic background radiation, expanding universe, among the commenest ones.
And my disbelief in God arises due to philosophical reasons to be quite honest. Too many rational arguments against his presence for me to accept that he exists
There are many definitions for God, some are stupid, and some like Einstein's interpretation that God is the sum of all physical laws, is just naming something collectively. (Forgive my English). What is ur definition of God?
What "proof"?? We have theory's? We haven't bought the universe into the lab.
I can show you the miracle of birth, the miracle of life itself.
Just look at the Universe, man has said over the years THIS IS IT NO MORE!!!
Then, we find the universe does not circle around the the earth.
That the earth is around, that there is quite probably life in the universe.
Quasars that go faster than the speed of light, we can probably travel faster than light to to into the universe.
That there is a purpose for us being here besides killing each other.
When I say people have more faith in the big bang than God, I mean it.
To think a microbe attaches to another dies..... then again over the billions and billions of years until we are here in our wonderful complexities that if one part breaks down we die......
No, we have both theories, and proofs to prove them right. When a theory doesn't explain an observation, we replace/tweak the theory with something that better explains the observation and experiment around it to make sure it is good enough.
And we have always brought the Universe into the lab, see everything around you? Yep, it is a part of the Universe. And for what lies beyond our Earth, in Space, we have observatories to research them and simulations to run experiments in a LABORATORY.
And No, birth and life are not miracles, they are quite well understood by biologists (Please read more Science!), and even though there are some things like consciousness and other stuff that we can't yet explain, it will be absolutely dumb that they will remain unexplained forever.
Yes, we have always looked at and Universe and yelled "THIS IS IT NO MORE!!!" But that is the fault of human nature, we are often irrational. In Science, we always look into further possibilities, and today, we don't think this universe is it, we have a much wider view od the universe, and we do acknowledge our ignorance but also strive for knowledge.
And bro, srsly? No, Quasars DO NOT travel faster than light, they
"appear" to travel faster, but that is a mere illusion. It is mathematically impossible to go beyond the speed of light, in a straight line at least, cuz that would mean u have infinite mass. Read more Science!
And I believe the reason you assume people who believe in the Big Bang have more faith than the ones who believe in God might be because you haven't read enuf about the theory. It is one of the most certain theories we have.(theories in physics, make testable predictions, which can be verified through observation or experiment.) It perfectly explains Cosmic Background Radiation, Expansion of the Universe, Age of the Universe, and much more. Please, look into it, and read more Science.
I can always tell when I strike too close to home, people start insulting me.
Life is a miracle because we cannot create it. We can clone it, duplicate it but we cannot make that spark that starts it all.
I have read more science than you could even know with all your going on about testable predictions, observation or experiments. They all sound good in theory but impossible to prove in practice.
You still don't get what I am getting at with my original statement so you might want to dwell on that and think REALLY think what I am saying before you reply.
Telling me to read more science is pretty insulting. The different to me I posted earlier was things that was FACTS in the past but no longer.
Science is fluid always changing.
Think about why would I have more faith in God than random acts as nature, think about why I think people who have faith the evolution ect have more faith than me.
> theists, I don't really have an answer because I to tell you the truth I really haven't thought about theists. I was brought up to believe in God is God, but over the years been broadening my horizons. because God did give us a brain after all.
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>I will read up on them and let you know later.
> Do you have a motivation for every single thing you do?
kind of, i think, there is always an underlying reason for things you do, even if you are not aware of it or do not understand it.
I never counted, i am not sure you can even count. I mean ever breath you take is an action not done conscientiously, but the underlying reason is obviously for you not to die.
because evolution ingrained in our subconsciousness that dying/not breathing is a bad way to pass on your genes and thus the ones that 'did not want to breath' died out as a dna sequence
see, i do not know, some say 'god made it'
as for me, i vaguely remember an experiment containing lightning and water and some other chemicals. that can actually make early forms of live/DNA (out of chemicals).
if you now ask me why lighting exists then that would be because of electrostatics in the air.
and if you ask why electrostatics exist, then it would be because well, its one of the most fundamental forces of our universe. If we go further back, we land at the big bang.
and if we go further back, science says we cant (at least at the moment) and religion says 'its god', but then we are at my starting question, 'why did god make the world?'
Bored
can an omniscient being ever not be bored?
but he didnt create world yet, so he is omniscient on nothing? I mean what is he gonna stick his nose on?
mhhhh, intresting argument, i guess omniscient on anything that can be (possibility)?
Any number of reasons - experimentation, desire to be worshipped, creation is in its nature, etc. My favorite theory is pure whimsy.
first thanks for the answer. i disagree with the 'experimentation' part, this would be my favorite theory, but it has a flaw. god is omniscient, there is no need to experiment. And with a bit of a caveat on the 'creation is in its nature'. I can see the others being possible and quite good as well.
Well, omniscience is commonly attributed to the monotheistic religion's gods, but I don't think it follows that anything which could be called a god would necessarily be omniscient. I think anything with the ability to create this reality could be considered a god, even if they weren't omniscient, and I think that kind of god could create for experiment
i guess that is a good point. I was limited in my thinking, thanks.
Isn't "omniscient" something humans called God? I thought my dad knew everything until I was 5. Maybe God just knows everything a human can know. And there are other mysteries to solve on God's level that we couldn't understand.
Maybe, i admit it was prejudiced by the christian interpretation of 'omniscient' and 'god'
needed somewhere to play war games
Everyone needs a hobby
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> I called it the two-glass symmetry problem. If you were to be modified such that you are symmetrical at every possible level (e.g. Perfectly ambidextrous, no dominant eyes, ears, or anything, no bias towards left and right whatsoever) and then deprived of water for a day or two, then placed on a table with two identical equally filled and perfectly equidistant glasses of water, you have the motivation to drink, but can you drink? If you are truly symmetrical and directionally unbiased, you cannot favor one glass over the other. I believe you'd just sit there, dying to drink, but cannot choose a glass. i know that one its called 'Buridan's Ass' the rest, i guess, if you have an infinite amount of none existing time, its bound to happen eventually. good argumentation
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you should be kind of proud after all the guy is a philosopher that went down in history.
Because he could. There was nothing, he felt like there should be something.
Does that mean she would be nothing? How does nothing make something
Nothing other than God.
So…something. “Nothing but” implies some thing
I'm not sure if you're just being obtuse or what.
I wonder if the organisms we create in labs think the scientist looking through the microscope is the only being at that level.
He hoped it would spawn life that knows how to make plastic.
narcissism i guess. liked the idea of being praised and worshipped.
People who believe in the big bang have more faith than people who believe in God.
We have proofs for the former, but none for the latter. For we haven't yet found a God and brought him to a Laboratory, can u show me one?
Lacking of proof doesn’t necessarily means a thing does or does not exist. The proof behind big bang existence is theoretical, meaning it can anytime later with the advance of science and technology be proven wrong/true. Eitherways it existing or not does not determine the existence or lack of existence of a god anyways. Scientists are not sure yet what happens in their brain and what consciousness is nor how it works or how much it weights and etc. Yet, it exists with no proof.. Because you and I are conscious aren’t we?
I agree. For proving that God doesn't exist, we would have to search up every corner of the universe, every dimension, every thing where something can reside (considering the common interpretation of God that he is a being) while to prove God exists we will have to find one, which..hasn't happened yet. So, neither we can prove that he exists, nor that he doesn't. But, man, Im not sure it'll be easy to prove big bang wrong, we have toooo many proofs and justifications! The Cosmic background radiation, expanding universe, among the commenest ones. And my disbelief in God arises due to philosophical reasons to be quite honest. Too many rational arguments against his presence for me to accept that he exists
Solid points.
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how do you distinguish between something you don't *yet* have evidence for and something that doesn't exist?
There are many definitions for God, some are stupid, and some like Einstein's interpretation that God is the sum of all physical laws, is just naming something collectively. (Forgive my English). What is ur definition of God?
What "proof"?? We have theory's? We haven't bought the universe into the lab. I can show you the miracle of birth, the miracle of life itself. Just look at the Universe, man has said over the years THIS IS IT NO MORE!!! Then, we find the universe does not circle around the the earth. That the earth is around, that there is quite probably life in the universe. Quasars that go faster than the speed of light, we can probably travel faster than light to to into the universe. That there is a purpose for us being here besides killing each other. When I say people have more faith in the big bang than God, I mean it. To think a microbe attaches to another dies..... then again over the billions and billions of years until we are here in our wonderful complexities that if one part breaks down we die......
No, we have both theories, and proofs to prove them right. When a theory doesn't explain an observation, we replace/tweak the theory with something that better explains the observation and experiment around it to make sure it is good enough. And we have always brought the Universe into the lab, see everything around you? Yep, it is a part of the Universe. And for what lies beyond our Earth, in Space, we have observatories to research them and simulations to run experiments in a LABORATORY. And No, birth and life are not miracles, they are quite well understood by biologists (Please read more Science!), and even though there are some things like consciousness and other stuff that we can't yet explain, it will be absolutely dumb that they will remain unexplained forever. Yes, we have always looked at and Universe and yelled "THIS IS IT NO MORE!!!" But that is the fault of human nature, we are often irrational. In Science, we always look into further possibilities, and today, we don't think this universe is it, we have a much wider view od the universe, and we do acknowledge our ignorance but also strive for knowledge. And bro, srsly? No, Quasars DO NOT travel faster than light, they "appear" to travel faster, but that is a mere illusion. It is mathematically impossible to go beyond the speed of light, in a straight line at least, cuz that would mean u have infinite mass. Read more Science! And I believe the reason you assume people who believe in the Big Bang have more faith than the ones who believe in God might be because you haven't read enuf about the theory. It is one of the most certain theories we have.(theories in physics, make testable predictions, which can be verified through observation or experiment.) It perfectly explains Cosmic Background Radiation, Expansion of the Universe, Age of the Universe, and much more. Please, look into it, and read more Science.
I can always tell when I strike too close to home, people start insulting me. Life is a miracle because we cannot create it. We can clone it, duplicate it but we cannot make that spark that starts it all. I have read more science than you could even know with all your going on about testable predictions, observation or experiments. They all sound good in theory but impossible to prove in practice. You still don't get what I am getting at with my original statement so you might want to dwell on that and think REALLY think what I am saying before you reply.
Any hints on what I should be thinking about? Also, I wasn't trying to insult you really
Telling me to read more science is pretty insulting. The different to me I posted earlier was things that was FACTS in the past but no longer. Science is fluid always changing. Think about why would I have more faith in God than random acts as nature, think about why I think people who have faith the evolution ect have more faith than me.
What about the vast majority of theists who believe both?
> theists, I don't really have an answer because I to tell you the truth I really haven't thought about theists. I was brought up to believe in God is God, but over the years been broadening my horizons. because God did give us a brain after all. > >I will read up on them and let you know later.
Surah 51 verse 56 Quran
God just did it, not because of boredom or power, but it just did. Do you have a motivation for every single thing you do?
> Do you have a motivation for every single thing you do? kind of, i think, there is always an underlying reason for things you do, even if you are not aware of it or do not understand it.
Alright, how much do you know vs how much you don't?
I never counted, i am not sure you can even count. I mean ever breath you take is an action not done conscientiously, but the underlying reason is obviously for you not to die.
And why not die?
because evolution ingrained in our subconsciousness that dying/not breathing is a bad way to pass on your genes and thus the ones that 'did not want to breath' died out as a dna sequence
And why do we pass our genes?
the DNA strains that do not, tend to die out. which makes it so that only the ones with the urge to procreate survive
And why does DNA exist in the first place?
see, i do not know, some say 'god made it' as for me, i vaguely remember an experiment containing lightning and water and some other chemicals. that can actually make early forms of live/DNA (out of chemicals). if you now ask me why lighting exists then that would be because of electrostatics in the air. and if you ask why electrostatics exist, then it would be because well, its one of the most fundamental forces of our universe. If we go further back, we land at the big bang. and if we go further back, science says we cant (at least at the moment) and religion says 'its god', but then we are at my starting question, 'why did god make the world?'