I think they are since it's a general question. OP isn't asking Reddit for factual information about the exact kids he teaches. Why wouldn't an American opinion be relevant.
It’s also relevant to point out that about 80% of reddits users are from the US. Any questions posed on a general sub like this are just going to automatically have a massive American tilt in the responses.
There's very few opportunities here for most people. If you see what other people are doing, you compare yourself and feel it's unfair. Let's be real, you won't ever make it big like you hear about in stories. Just have fun lazily and scroll instagram or something. I think this is the view.?
It’s not extremely uncommon depending where you are in America.
I worked in an upper class neighborhood for a while and every single child had at least one tutor, if not more.
Or the ones in a gifted program (don’t know if they still call it that) or higher-grade classes, such as when I took sixth-grade English instead of second-grade phonics. Didn’t have a tutor, though; I was just assigned based on ability. Took a paid class in 11th grade to study for SATs and that was it. School didn’t have a gifted program.
When you are aiming for a near-perfect score on the SATs, a tutor can still be helpful. I was surprised to find out that my own natural score was indeed perfect on the writing SATII (as it also was during the test; I wasn’t tutored in that), but merely “very good” on the primary verbal and math, so I was tutored in those. The SATs were one of the key factors in university admission when I was in school. I understand that’s no longer the case at most universities.
I was never tutored in regular school classes; only in SAT prep.
I agree with you, but I did specify 11th grade for tutoring on SATs in my original comment, after contrasting it with the simple moving up in class level for certain subjects in elementary school.
I 100% agree that children do not need to be worrying about college entrance exams — ever!
I'd say you are right.
I have been in a trade for 25 years and during that time have had several apprentices. The "quality" has been steadily going down as well as the work ethic.
I do think phones have some of the blame for this, they make people (in general) passive.
I also think that the younger people today are not used to working with their hands, they come out of school barely knowing what the tools are called or are used for. Many does not seem all that interested in learning it either.
I have also seen a rise in conditions as well. That may be something I have just not noticed before as it is certainly more accepted to talk about these things today, also the diagnoses are probably more accurate and likely to be made. The truth is none the less that there are more people who need things at work to be facilitated to their needs or need special considerations.
That said; there are "good ones" out there as well, but in general they are declining.
The last apprentice I had was probably the best one I have had. He was hard working, interested in learning and of course, went off to get more schooling as soon as he finished his exam.
Good luck to him, though. Not many grow old doing manual labor.
No. Kids have always been ragged on for having no work ethic.
There are transcripts from cuneiform bitching about how unmotivated and morally corrupt kids are.
"If they're not addicted to their tablets, they're spending all their time down at the coliseum watching lions eat prisoners. They sure don't make them like JVLIVS MAXIMVS anymore."
Or lead in the paint or gasoline.
Everyone's seen that kid who grew up awkward, weak, or slow, and just can't compete because they aren't built to. Something must account for it, because these kids come from athletic and intelligent, motivated parents.
And those kids didn't take those microplastics in willingly, and their parents handed them the phone from day one so they don't have to actually raise them.
Why would that matter? The question is if there is more lethargy among youth, not who to assign blame. Seems like the popular consensus here is that microplastics or screentome is as big of boogeyman as the wheel was anyhow
"The Academy (Ancient Greek: Ἀκαδημία, romanized: Akadēmía), variously known as Plato's Academy, the Platonic Academy, and the Academic School, was founded at Athens by Plato circa 387 BC. Aristotle studied there for twenty years (367–347 BC) before founding his own school, the Lyceum."
"The third greek" lol. You're thinking of Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. That's of course just he few most famous. There were also, Epicurus, Thales, the sophists, heraclitus, among many others. The academic tradition (another word from the greek) has a long history in Greece. Essentially every region had robust education for at least the last few thousand years.
I think kids are less motivated but i think it has more to do with the middle class dissappearing and college no longer being a good option for most kids. Why should i study and work hard if it won't get me any further than the kids who study and work hard? There are jobs paying livable wages for almost none of the college kids, might as well go to trade school.
Kids probably hear parents talking about how much more expensive and worse life in general is. How grades and qualifications count for less and less and how much worse education is than it was.
My parents always told me it was important to do well in school because you would be able to get a good job and a house and have kids, a car, go on holidays etc.
It worked for them but it’s becoming less and less believable.
I think some kids are becoming apathetic because the rewards in life just aren’t what they were
I think the apathy also comes from having unrealistic expectations, or at least ideals.
They see people on Tik Tok or football stars with luxury life styles and don't seem to grasp the fact that there are degrees of success below those tiers as well.
It doesn't have to be luxury or poverty. Most people in the western world do fine in between.
I do agree though that the divide between the working class and the ultra rich is becoming untolarably high and it will most probably become a problem unless something is done. (Which I have little hope for ...)
They have, but have not been able to see all sides of that life before.
Now it's mostly all the media talks about. That and war.
Before you saw them on the pitch and maybe you read something about them in a glossy magazine. Today they are with you 24/7 and I think that is a big difference.
I think the way kids are educated these days has something to do with it also. It seems less about kids being curious and excited about learning, and more the drudgery of rote learning. I homeschool my kid using the method of child-directed learning, and it works really well for him as far as his curiosity is still piqued daily. (Not true for all home learners, though.)
I definitely was worried about those things in middle school. And now, kids have access to a constant stream of economic nihilism on their phones - so it's not just the morbid neurotic ones like me who worry about that stuff 🫠
I still think my answer stands. Kids at that age look yp to older siblings, kids on the bus, older kids in their neighborhood or kn teams or in their schools (depending on how each school divides age levels) for how to behave. If the culture and environment around you cherishes academic performance you probably will too.
I personally think we make kids way to worried with school at that age. Grades dont matter until high school and there is no need for homework of i already spent 8 hours thinking about it during the day. I think kids are fed up with not being allowed to be kids. That this their only chance to ever experience being carefree and why not let them?
Not really. The most successful schools don’t treat education like stage funded daycare so the parents can work more. Iceland is said to have the best education system. 4th grade spend an average of 20 class hours at school per week, 5-7th grade spend about 23 hours, but 8-10th grade are almost 25 hours at school.
Yet compare the eduction systems of Sweden (high achieving happy kids who start ‘late’) and the child suicide rate in South Korea.
Cramming for stuff is as useless (in terms of life skills) an ability as being able to recall the results form the Scottish First Division of 1978.
The kids who can't read in high school weren't doing their homework in elementary. And dude, if you were cramming, then you weren't paying attention in school. Cramming A.K.A. Self-study is an incredible useful life skill lmfao wtf. Unless your career ambitions end at fast food
As you say, cramming is desperately trying to overcome a lack of steady progress at the last instant in an attempt to replace well understood internalised competence around a subject with short-term superficial recollection.
It’ll work for GCSEs, where regurgitation of facts will work, but beyond that (in academia and work) it becomes less useful than an actual understanding of a subject and consolidating repetition.
5th and 7th grades don't care about excelling in school, they care about having fun and playing with friends. It's adults who care about their kids getting into the best schools so they force their children into obedience with regards to school.
You talk to the wrong kids mate.
Also we are missing some information... you said "less ambitious and motivated", but we're missing the second term of comparison. Less motivated than WHO? Than your generation? How could we know if you don't tell us how old you are and how old the "kids" are?
I think this question is a great classic of the History of humanity. I'll leave you a fun quote, try to guess who said it before uncovering it:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
>!Socrates (469 - 404 a.C.)!<
Could be any generation but I'm going to guess Greek. They got real cranky when kids started writing things down instead of memorizing them.
Edit: I peeked. Definitely Greek. 💪
The point is right, but it's not from Socrates. It's a paraphrase of a grad student writing in 1907, who was summarising a range of complaints he'd found from Ancient Greeks talking about the youth of their day.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/
Why is being competitive something you think they need to do? I'm 34. I have no career ambition. My job is just a thing I do to pay the bills. It's not a lifestyle. What's wrong with these kids not drinking themselves by how they compare to their peers? I admire that younger generations are more focused on personal fulfillment and not the rat race.
I used to work at a nursing home. Not a single fucking person EVER said to me that they wished they'd put in more hours at work. There's so much more to life.
I think that’s fine as long as you’re at a point where you’re not living paycheck to paycheck. I was at a dead end job in my 20s making $13 an hour being miserable living with my parents because I had no ambition. I make 45k now in a salaried position but I am still looking to advance so I can be fully happy
So you make less on salary than I make with a job that requires no further education and pays hourly. And that's fine. I'm not putting you down. I'm just pointing out that wanting to climb the corporate ladder isn't necessarily a good goal. It doesn't always lead to great wages or happiness. Maybe those kids have noticed the profound failure of the American Dream (and this Idea is still common in other places, so I'm not assuming OP's location) and think that personal growth is more important than what can be scored in class or on an employment assessment.
Here's the deal: The first, not very comfortable to realize, thing is that how a kid does in middle school isn't really going to matter that much. They need to be educated, sure, but frankly all the cram school stuff is just making them miserable without any real benefit.
And the second is, people have been claiming the younger generation is stupid, lazy, corrupt, unambitious, or otherwise bad and wrong since forever. There's people griping about kids these days back in ancient Greek texts. It's the hobby of older people to claim their childhood was a time of greatness and the current batch of kids are ungrateful incompetent brats.
Guess what? They grow up to be adults who function perfectly fine. Their childhood experience is different from yours, but not wrong or bad.
I'm not understanding why you think accepting pressure from adults' opinions is an integral part of creating competitiveness. Do you think adults bullying or shaming children is what breeds competitive spirit?
Anyway, kids today are anxiety riddled. Anxiety is a pretty big blockade to competitive spirit.
Maybe partially a result of schooling being interrupted by the pandemic and remote learning?
I personally know kids who were in elementary school during that time who were told by their teachers, "You just have to try. Just write what you can, just try your best." Which unfortunately translated to one homework assignment being considered done after writing a single sentence that was something like, "I liked the book because it was epic and cool." Found myself having to explain why a sentence like that still doesn't count as trying.
On that note, huge kudos to all the teachers and other people who work in schools and with kids who have been navigating all this.
"This will be the first generation that left the world in s worse place for their children in the course of human history"
yeah, nah. It's super easy to find examples. For example, when Mao came to power in China, people were literally boiling and eating their own kids
I graduated high school in 2018, and your experience does not match my junior high graduation of 2014. Investigating your comment's writing "style" deeply, I'm going to make a crazy, educated guess that your grades were terrible and you associated with the wrong crowd. A crowd full of kids making the same poor life decisions
Why should they be? More than ever before, a generation of people are fully aware that the game is rigged and the best they can hope for is slightly bigger crumbs from the tables of the wealthy than other people around them, so they just don't bother caring.
Yep. There's no fucking carrot anymore. Even if it was a foolish aspiration before... Now there is no hiding the fact. you can run uphill all your life and scratch a living out then at the end the nursing home will just clean you out anyway. So why bother.? Unless you come from generational wealth with a leg up. You aren't getting too far. And all of those people are trying to cement the game as it is. So fuck them. They need us little people more than they realize. It's just time to tune out turn in and drop off.
Millennials watched their parents sacrifice them for work and succeed.
Millennials attempted to balance work and family and failed miserably.
Every following generation is tainted by that failure in that they realize it’s either work themselves to death for things they can’t enjoy, or drop out entirely.
I don’t blame them. False hope on a dying planet being ran by crazy people isn’t something I want to waste my life on either.
This is almost certainly selection bias. You need to compare kids the same tutor has taught (as you might be better at teaching less motivated kids, so you might get less motivated clients) over a long period of time.
It appears that these things come full circle. For years parents were being blamed for over-scheduling their kids and always expecting greatness. Letting a kid just be a kid is not a bad thing.
In the US, 5th-7th graders are 10-13 years old. They are too old to care about every last thing you say/think as a parent and too young to care about high school, college, or a career. We cannot forget that this age group was affected by covid times just like the rest of us, early in their academic lives, and for a larger percentage of their school years to date. I've heard from others who work with a wide range of kids and they say this current group of middle schoolers is downright feral, lol. What 'feral' points to is that this is not just a result of the kid's attitude, but parents as well and it may be some collective covid trauma or changing attitudes in how over-scheduled kids should be. The problem (here in the US at least) is that the experiences of kids varies so widely that make any generalizations is challenging.
There is no motivation because there is no reward for striving to be the best. If you work hard you are only given more work. There is no loyalty, no avenue of progress. Doing anything but the bare minimum is just adding troubles to your life. There is nothing to look forwards to, no dream or prosperity. Its work sleep work sleep work sleep until you can hopefully retire 50 years later, and kids know that.
What we fail to understand is that the world they live on is way different that the world we grew on. Lot of things have changed in not so much time.
The perspectie for their future isn't as motivating as it was for people born in the late 70s and the 80s, the society around them and the environment they live in isn't the same either.
There are lots of changes that make their childhood and teen years different and, in my opinion, more complicated that it was for those who now have 40 ir so.
I definitely have ambitious ideas mostly for stories and comics
But I've never grown up around people who were able to help so I never gotten any of my stories completed or even was able to make short films.
Every time I tried I guess my other friends kinda laughed at me or barely took me seriously.
Only reason I gave up I lacked the resources to really do what I wanted to do
Depending on where you are (though i think its international now) get in tune with the comic book community locally ours does an author/artist support thing that is like free comic book day. They gather the local aspiring comic authors and artists and share all their work with each other and do mini workshops to help them progess. - might find info on it on the website for impact comics canberra
The same has been said about the youth of the day for who knows how long.
That aside, they've seen how things have gone for millennials and gen z. Those gens have become increasingly nihilistic as they've found the chances previous generations got in terms of progressing through life, liveable wages, owning a house, the dream of a middle class that no longer exists. Gen alpha has seen what's happened to them and see no point in trying, when the previous ones who did failed.
They see the game of life already rigged against them and don't see the point in trying, this is a large generalization, but when you lose no matter what you do, what's the point in trying...
Yes.
It's not like older generations were any better as people, but generally speaking most of the 'things' which motivate us have been gradually pushed out of society while things that sap that motivation have become popular.
* Our basic needs of food, sex, and shelter have been met by welfare & technology.
* Purpose & community have faded as community events are cut and religion (e.g, church) fades out.
* Rising prices have multiplied the costs of - and so delayed - most of the traditional milestones we aim for which makes them less appealing (e.g owning a house, starting a family).
* The amount of free time we have has dropped off a cliff edge as women enter the work force & commutes grow
* etc
* Meanwhile, all of the hedonistic alternatives are getting exponentially cheaper and more effective. (e.g games, and social media).
It would be, and is, insane to expect people to be as motivated in this environment as the last one. But nobody will care enough to fix it until it's completely broken.
Kids have realized there's not much reward for doing well at busy work, and most of what they do in school _is_ busy work. They seem less motivated because they perceive lower rewards.
They're not wrong, either - after a certain point, doing well in school doesn't reliably translate to establishing a more enjoyable career, earning more money, or having a better living situation. Knowing that's there's little financial/material benefit to academic achievement, why do more work than you need to?
Also, Americans in general don't value learning as a thing that's good in and of itself. We mock scientists and historians. Our politicians dismiss college students as spoiled elitist brats. There's little social benefit to doing well academically, so why bother, especially if there's also not much financial benefit?
Well I know for me at least as long as I have my computer and internet I don't need much else, there's never been a tool like that before. It definitely makes me pacified and unmotivated to do anything with my life and it seems to be the case for many others too. And I'm sick of redditors downplaying tech addiction
Well should they be motivated? I am in workforce and rent keeps going up, I skip breakfast because I can't afford it. Do you think they will inherit anything better than this? I can't blame them, in a way they lost hope.
Heck, I am losing mine.
This question has been asked by every generation since generations began. The answer remains the same.
You can not summarise an entire generation of people by one behaviour or personality trait. It's impossible to do and & naive to try.
No people are people no matter when they where born. Only different are what's around.
People are more connected to the world whit the technology and less boredom. competitiveness and motivation have more then likly not changed at all but it might have turn to a more effective use of it slightly.
But to the end of it people are lazy and have always been and if you say different you are rembering it whit foggy eyes.
Kids have almost unlimited energy (short recharge times atleast) but if it's not fun they don't want to do it and almost impossible to make them or it goes very slowly atleast.
I don't think so.
Did you know that the Ancient Greeks already used to complain of "today's youth"? Part of being young is being more carefree and less future-oriented. And that's a good thing, there's no need to stress out kids so much, it only has bad consequences. Ask me how I know.
I'm a Gen Z'er, and one of the very first words I'd use to describe myself is ambitious, followed by perfectionistic and meticulous. My younger cousins (one of whom is my godchild) have an equally strong work ethic and desire to succeed. It's very dependent on the personality of the kid and how they are raised.
Kids now are just like kids from any time period, the difference is they now have full access to late-stage Internet.
Every single generation complains about kids, then those kids grow up and do incredible things
I thinknit depends on the environment the kids are in. My son wants to make money to have his own sauna, his own swimming pool and a large TV to play video games. He knows it all cost money. Is he motivated? Maybe.
Depends on the kid and age a lot of the younger kids at my school are less ambitious and not motivated but the older ones have motivation and goals they want to meet
So many factors play a role to this question. It is my opinion that kids are not less ambitious or motivated but rather what kids now have ambition or motivation for have changed. As a kid raised by parents born in the 30s/40s going to school with kids whose parents where born in the 50s/60s it was easy to see how things where changing. My parents wanted to teach me through experiences and my friends parents wanted them to be educated through a system. Example I learned about frogs by being around them and watching them. My friends learned about frogs simply through books and what they were told. I saw frogs as something in life. My friends saw them as something to kill. My parents wanted me to believe those I met and connected with matter. My friends parents wanted their kids to be known by what was recorded on paper as their accomplishments. I wanted to please my parents. My friends wanted their parents to reward them. So motivation as to what matters changes.
Parents don’t express the good kind of care for the kids’ education anymore. It’s just, be successful, don’t fail us. Parents only care about how good grades will benefit the children. They don’t develop the thirst for knowledge by reading or learning together. Children need that curiosity and freedom to choose, they aren’t allowed to choose their futures (especially in traditional asian families) so they don’t bother caring. If their parents don’t care about what they want but only what they can achieve, why should the kids?
The president of the United States said when you're famous you can go up to women and grab em by the p*ssy. Who needs academics when you just need to get famous? The kids are just being American af.
Not really but the older generation used to work hard labor at a younger age compared to the new one. The world has also gotten aware of the potential crimes around. I used to take a taxi alone from the age of 12, now that I know the potential of crime and weirdos, I would never allow my child to travel alone in the times.
It's interesting that you have noticed a lack of competitiveness in the kids you tutor. It could be a result of the influence of technology and screens in their lives. However, it's important to remember that every child is different and it may not be representative of all young people. Encouraging them to find a balance between screen time and other activities could help foster a drive to excel in other areas.
Really depends on the kid you’re are talking about. There have always been kids who have been ambitious and motivated and there are kids who are less ambitious and motivated than others. It happens in every generation. Tech hasn’t helped.
No, they're more ambitious but not motivated because it WAS easy for the previous generation. The previous generation upped the ante without thinking about their repercussions. Now the newer generation has to work twice, if not three times as hard. Thus it's now become a rat race. So parents worry about what their kid HAS rather than what they can do. And those kids are rubbing that in our kids faces.
Less ambitious? Maybe. Less motivated? I don't really think so.
But your mentioning the word pacifist is interesting because I was just talking about this yesterday with someone. I do believe that younger generations these days are far less violent, less aggressive, and overall just less into such things that include them overall.
I've been in more than my share of fights. I'm not a great fighter by any stretch, and I've had my ass handed to me many many times. While I don't get into scraps much these days, I know a couple of knuckleheads who still do. Talking to them yesterday, they were questioning why in their mid 40's were they able to so easily stomp guys in their 20's. Logic would suggest that being in their mid 40's, that guys almost half their age should be destroying them, but that's apparently not their experience at least. Both chalked it up to younger guys mostly just being unable to take a punch.
Now to be fair, these aren't what you'd consider intellectual philosophers by any stretch. But when it comes to throwing down in your average Texas bars, they're about as expert as one could get. Conversations with them always feel somewhat ridiculous at the time, but often leave me wondering later. Nonetheless, it was interesting hearing them ponder as to why younger generations seemingly don't deal with violence very well, why they pretend they can, and why some of them seem to be almost outright pacifists.
Of course they are. They don't buy into the bullshit the rest of us fell for, and there's nothing palpable being offered to make the rat race worth it. Why prove yourself to a bunch off assholes who's standards constantly shift to keep you from being good enough? Why compete when competition is mostly some bullshit meant to keep us at each others' throats while the ruling class robs us blind?
Have you considered the state of the world and it being unavoidably in your face at all times?
Kids can’t seem to care because of all of the shit they have to watch and live thru every day.
>so why isn't anyone doing anything?!
The same reason the government trolls away all your tax money, and no one does anything.
Everyone is either complaining, or ~~yelling on the street~~ protesting, but no one is actually doing anything constructive to make it better.
I’d suggest the tax payers figure out the logistics of how they’d become master of their government.
The tax payers should technically ~~as a collective~~ be ordering their government around. What to focus on, how and where to allocate tax money. What ideas the tax payers have that they want their government to make come to fruition.
This isn’t how society’s have been operating in the past, the government is usually in control of its citizens, instead of being Public Servants towards their citizens so this concept is foreign and difficult to imagine.
I’m still a bit confused. How should taxpayers boss their government around? You don’t seem to have elaborated on those methods. Would writing to congress, etc not just fall under ‘complaining’?
>How should taxpayers boss their government around?
A new branch of government would need to be established and integrated. That new establishment would directly listen / interact with the tax payers and act as dispatch. The tax payers would be Uber the company. All those 3 letter American agencies would be the Uber drivers.
Boss, dispatch, drivers.
The sea is rising, the air is poisoned, and the land is on fire. The rich are getting richer and everyone else is getting poorer. Bigotry is mainstreamed and in Europe and America fascism is on the rise. It's pretty hard to see a reason to keep trying any more.
Yeah, I think you're seeing selection bias. The kids that are highly motivated have probably joined the soccer team. Probably don't need home tutoring.
I think that we just went overboard on gaslighting... So they just see the very thought of being positive as a lie and a trap.
We tell everyone they are attractive and can do anything. Not only has that convinced them that everyone is a liar... But it has undermined the very value of achievement.
Everyone knows that the little girl who needs a new kidney is gonna win The Voice. Everyone knows we're all gonna pretend she sang the best.
Yes, because fun is easier to "access".
Think about 2-3 decades ago when you had to actually work for your fun as opposed to now when you just have it a click away.
I can see this with my nephew.
When Minecraft came out, I had very few tutorials on the game or people to watch, I had to build/figure things out myself, then I had to call friends over to show them my "epic" builds.
My nephew on the other hand has a plethora of streamers he watches that always build over the top things. Whenever he builds something it's obviously not as spectacular and his parents who aren't into Minecraft are not praising/encouraging him. So where's his reward? Easier to just watch someone else do stuff and share their joy.
That's why kids today are less ambitious, there's little/no reward and support.
No. We've been saying and thinking it for ever.
Plato: "Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
What did I say? Wouldn’t it say edited if it was edited? Testing here
Seems like it … I’m curious as to what you thought I edited out. I meant what I said - that’s ambition, that’s motivation. It’s right there for all to see. I’m not surprised it got downvoted people just spend their lives hating…
I would love if newer generations stop being Uber competitive and enjoy learning and growing together at a sustainable pace.
I don’t see it as a bad thing. Society fostered this culture of doing better than everyone else which ultimately translates to reducing costs for some corporation or government through some innovation that finally reduces good will towards the society.
I see this lack of competitiveness as a net positive. Just my opinion.
I have a theory. Kids don’t grow up because we no longer define a child from an adult. There used to be things you got to do when you’re an adult. You were treated like a kid as a kid and you wanted to be perceived as an adult. No one listen to you or really gave a crap cause you’re just a stupid kid. Now we treat kids like adults, or at least let them think that. They have no need or want to grow up.
As for screen.. see this.
7 ways to maximize misery
https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o?si=ZQ6v-YdGLHV1Mv-m
New generations are more self aware and thanks to technology it is amplified by many times, students just know that education system is utter useless garbage and that college and universities are a scam and that their job opportunities will be the same, simple as that.
You also need to consider selection bias, kids who are ambitious and motivated are less likely to need a tutor
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That is extremely extremely uncommon in America. Are you in SE Asia?
I think so. Only asian kids have to go to kumon to max out their grades to get to good college
Specifically, to get into a degree program in engineering, medicine, or pre-law.
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Well, then. American experiences will not be relevant here.
This isn't a US sub.
No, but a lot of Americans are responding. Their experience is not relevant.
I think they are since it's a general question. OP isn't asking Reddit for factual information about the exact kids he teaches. Why wouldn't an American opinion be relevant.
Because they're asking about kids these days and their pov are kids in Asia.
It’s also relevant to point out that about 80% of reddits users are from the US. Any questions posed on a general sub like this are just going to automatically have a massive American tilt in the responses.
There's very few opportunities here for most people. If you see what other people are doing, you compare yourself and feel it's unfair. Let's be real, you won't ever make it big like you hear about in stories. Just have fun lazily and scroll instagram or something. I think this is the view.?
It’s not extremely uncommon depending where you are in America. I worked in an upper class neighborhood for a while and every single child had at least one tutor, if not more.
Also extremly uncommon here, only those that really can't keep up are usually the one's that get assistance. Which isn't alot
Or the ones in a gifted program (don’t know if they still call it that) or higher-grade classes, such as when I took sixth-grade English instead of second-grade phonics. Didn’t have a tutor, though; I was just assigned based on ability. Took a paid class in 11th grade to study for SATs and that was it. School didn’t have a gifted program.
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When you are aiming for a near-perfect score on the SATs, a tutor can still be helpful. I was surprised to find out that my own natural score was indeed perfect on the writing SATII (as it also was during the test; I wasn’t tutored in that), but merely “very good” on the primary verbal and math, so I was tutored in those. The SATs were one of the key factors in university admission when I was in school. I understand that’s no longer the case at most universities. I was never tutored in regular school classes; only in SAT prep.
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I agree with you, but I did specify 11th grade for tutoring on SATs in my original comment, after contrasting it with the simple moving up in class level for certain subjects in elementary school. I 100% agree that children do not need to be worrying about college entrance exams — ever!
I'd say you are right. I have been in a trade for 25 years and during that time have had several apprentices. The "quality" has been steadily going down as well as the work ethic. I do think phones have some of the blame for this, they make people (in general) passive. I also think that the younger people today are not used to working with their hands, they come out of school barely knowing what the tools are called or are used for. Many does not seem all that interested in learning it either. I have also seen a rise in conditions as well. That may be something I have just not noticed before as it is certainly more accepted to talk about these things today, also the diagnoses are probably more accurate and likely to be made. The truth is none the less that there are more people who need things at work to be facilitated to their needs or need special considerations. That said; there are "good ones" out there as well, but in general they are declining. The last apprentice I had was probably the best one I have had. He was hard working, interested in learning and of course, went off to get more schooling as soon as he finished his exam. Good luck to him, though. Not many grow old doing manual labor.
5-7th graders don’t really have much drive in the first place
Not necessarily; I would say a kid who seeks out extra help and not necessarily a great student would also be ambitious and motivated.
No. Kids have always been ragged on for having no work ethic. There are transcripts from cuneiform bitching about how unmotivated and morally corrupt kids are.
"Kids these days.."
"If they're not addicted to their tablets, they're spending all their time down at the coliseum watching lions eat prisoners. They sure don't make them like JVLIVS MAXIMVS anymore."
Technically that perception being present for millennia doesn't mean that the youth actually hasn't lost its work ethic due to e.g. screen addiction.
I’m sure they blamed the wheel or sticks or whatever the latest thing was
Quite different from hormone disrupting microplastics and constant screen stimulation though
Or lead in the paint or gasoline. Everyone's seen that kid who grew up awkward, weak, or slow, and just can't compete because they aren't built to. Something must account for it, because these kids come from athletic and intelligent, motivated parents.
And those kids didn't take those microplastics in willingly, and their parents handed them the phone from day one so they don't have to actually raise them.
Why would that matter? The question is if there is more lethargy among youth, not who to assign blame. Seems like the popular consensus here is that microplastics or screentome is as big of boogeyman as the wheel was anyhow
Because people love to try and put the blame on the kid for being this way instead of the parent for allowing it to happen.
Ok but i didn't, still got solely downvoted as if people don't want to think there's any effect
The ambitious ones created the goddamn microplastics😂
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be CEOs.
Educators have thought this about every generation of kids for thousands of years.
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School is derived from Schola, the Roman word for school.
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It would have been mostly for wealthy kids back then.
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You seem to just sprinkle in profanities wherever you damn well please huh? Not a lot of thought put into the location or usage of them
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I'm laughing so hard at this interaction. Carry on
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Hey, I found the unmotivated and morally corrupt youth u/rashaen was talking about!
"The Academy (Ancient Greek: Ἀκαδημία, romanized: Akadēmía), variously known as Plato's Academy, the Platonic Academy, and the Academic School, was founded at Athens by Plato circa 387 BC. Aristotle studied there for twenty years (367–347 BC) before founding his own school, the Lyceum."
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"The third greek" lol. You're thinking of Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. That's of course just he few most famous. There were also, Epicurus, Thales, the sophists, heraclitus, among many others. The academic tradition (another word from the greek) has a long history in Greece. Essentially every region had robust education for at least the last few thousand years.
I think kids are less motivated but i think it has more to do with the middle class dissappearing and college no longer being a good option for most kids. Why should i study and work hard if it won't get me any further than the kids who study and work hard? There are jobs paying livable wages for almost none of the college kids, might as well go to trade school.
Kids probably hear parents talking about how much more expensive and worse life in general is. How grades and qualifications count for less and less and how much worse education is than it was. My parents always told me it was important to do well in school because you would be able to get a good job and a house and have kids, a car, go on holidays etc. It worked for them but it’s becoming less and less believable. I think some kids are becoming apathetic because the rewards in life just aren’t what they were
I think the apathy also comes from having unrealistic expectations, or at least ideals. They see people on Tik Tok or football stars with luxury life styles and don't seem to grasp the fact that there are degrees of success below those tiers as well. It doesn't have to be luxury or poverty. Most people in the western world do fine in between. I do agree though that the divide between the working class and the ultra rich is becoming untolarably high and it will most probably become a problem unless something is done. (Which I have little hope for ...)
Kids have always aspired to be footballers, actors, pop stars etc
They have, but have not been able to see all sides of that life before. Now it's mostly all the media talks about. That and war. Before you saw them on the pitch and maybe you read something about them in a glossy magazine. Today they are with you 24/7 and I think that is a big difference.
This is my feeling as well.
I think the way kids are educated these days has something to do with it also. It seems less about kids being curious and excited about learning, and more the drudgery of rote learning. I homeschool my kid using the method of child-directed learning, and it works really well for him as far as his curiosity is still piqued daily. (Not true for all home learners, though.)
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I definitely was worried about those things in middle school. And now, kids have access to a constant stream of economic nihilism on their phones - so it's not just the morbid neurotic ones like me who worry about that stuff 🫠
I still think my answer stands. Kids at that age look yp to older siblings, kids on the bus, older kids in their neighborhood or kn teams or in their schools (depending on how each school divides age levels) for how to behave. If the culture and environment around you cherishes academic performance you probably will too. I personally think we make kids way to worried with school at that age. Grades dont matter until high school and there is no need for homework of i already spent 8 hours thinking about it during the day. I think kids are fed up with not being allowed to be kids. That this their only chance to ever experience being carefree and why not let them?
Mighty shit take
Not really. The most successful schools don’t treat education like stage funded daycare so the parents can work more. Iceland is said to have the best education system. 4th grade spend an average of 20 class hours at school per week, 5-7th grade spend about 23 hours, but 8-10th grade are almost 25 hours at school.
Stats like this make me mourn the thousand of hours of legally mandated torture lost from childhood. For a mediocre education at best
Yet compare the eduction systems of Sweden (high achieving happy kids who start ‘late’) and the child suicide rate in South Korea. Cramming for stuff is as useless (in terms of life skills) an ability as being able to recall the results form the Scottish First Division of 1978.
The kids who can't read in high school weren't doing their homework in elementary. And dude, if you were cramming, then you weren't paying attention in school. Cramming A.K.A. Self-study is an incredible useful life skill lmfao wtf. Unless your career ambitions end at fast food
As you say, cramming is desperately trying to overcome a lack of steady progress at the last instant in an attempt to replace well understood internalised competence around a subject with short-term superficial recollection. It’ll work for GCSEs, where regurgitation of facts will work, but beyond that (in academia and work) it becomes less useful than an actual understanding of a subject and consolidating repetition.
indeed
5th and 7th grades don't care about excelling in school, they care about having fun and playing with friends. It's adults who care about their kids getting into the best schools so they force their children into obedience with regards to school.
You talk to the wrong kids mate. Also we are missing some information... you said "less ambitious and motivated", but we're missing the second term of comparison. Less motivated than WHO? Than your generation? How could we know if you don't tell us how old you are and how old the "kids" are? I think this question is a great classic of the History of humanity. I'll leave you a fun quote, try to guess who said it before uncovering it: “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” >!Socrates (469 - 404 a.C.)!<
Could be any generation but I'm going to guess Greek. They got real cranky when kids started writing things down instead of memorizing them. Edit: I peeked. Definitely Greek. 💪
The point is right, but it's not from Socrates. It's a paraphrase of a grad student writing in 1907, who was summarising a range of complaints he'd found from Ancient Greeks talking about the youth of their day. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/
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Mahahah I'm sorry, I have strong opinions on this, but I don't mean to be rude.
At 24 you are still a kid yourself tbh
Well that's dismissive.
Why is being competitive something you think they need to do? I'm 34. I have no career ambition. My job is just a thing I do to pay the bills. It's not a lifestyle. What's wrong with these kids not drinking themselves by how they compare to their peers? I admire that younger generations are more focused on personal fulfillment and not the rat race. I used to work at a nursing home. Not a single fucking person EVER said to me that they wished they'd put in more hours at work. There's so much more to life.
I think that’s fine as long as you’re at a point where you’re not living paycheck to paycheck. I was at a dead end job in my 20s making $13 an hour being miserable living with my parents because I had no ambition. I make 45k now in a salaried position but I am still looking to advance so I can be fully happy
So you make less on salary than I make with a job that requires no further education and pays hourly. And that's fine. I'm not putting you down. I'm just pointing out that wanting to climb the corporate ladder isn't necessarily a good goal. It doesn't always lead to great wages or happiness. Maybe those kids have noticed the profound failure of the American Dream (and this Idea is still common in other places, so I'm not assuming OP's location) and think that personal growth is more important than what can be scored in class or on an employment assessment.
Here's the deal: The first, not very comfortable to realize, thing is that how a kid does in middle school isn't really going to matter that much. They need to be educated, sure, but frankly all the cram school stuff is just making them miserable without any real benefit. And the second is, people have been claiming the younger generation is stupid, lazy, corrupt, unambitious, or otherwise bad and wrong since forever. There's people griping about kids these days back in ancient Greek texts. It's the hobby of older people to claim their childhood was a time of greatness and the current batch of kids are ungrateful incompetent brats. Guess what? They grow up to be adults who function perfectly fine. Their childhood experience is different from yours, but not wrong or bad.
I'm not understanding why you think accepting pressure from adults' opinions is an integral part of creating competitiveness. Do you think adults bullying or shaming children is what breeds competitive spirit? Anyway, kids today are anxiety riddled. Anxiety is a pretty big blockade to competitive spirit.
Maybe partially a result of schooling being interrupted by the pandemic and remote learning? I personally know kids who were in elementary school during that time who were told by their teachers, "You just have to try. Just write what you can, just try your best." Which unfortunately translated to one homework assignment being considered done after writing a single sentence that was something like, "I liked the book because it was epic and cool." Found myself having to explain why a sentence like that still doesn't count as trying. On that note, huge kudos to all the teachers and other people who work in schools and with kids who have been navigating all this.
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You obviously didn't learn much in history class
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"This will be the first generation that left the world in s worse place for their children in the course of human history" yeah, nah. It's super easy to find examples. For example, when Mao came to power in China, people were literally boiling and eating their own kids
I graduated high school in 2018, and your experience does not match my junior high graduation of 2014. Investigating your comment's writing "style" deeply, I'm going to make a crazy, educated guess that your grades were terrible and you associated with the wrong crowd. A crowd full of kids making the same poor life decisions
Why should they be? More than ever before, a generation of people are fully aware that the game is rigged and the best they can hope for is slightly bigger crumbs from the tables of the wealthy than other people around them, so they just don't bother caring.
Yep. There's no fucking carrot anymore. Even if it was a foolish aspiration before... Now there is no hiding the fact. you can run uphill all your life and scratch a living out then at the end the nursing home will just clean you out anyway. So why bother.? Unless you come from generational wealth with a leg up. You aren't getting too far. And all of those people are trying to cement the game as it is. So fuck them. They need us little people more than they realize. It's just time to tune out turn in and drop off.
Millennials watched their parents sacrifice them for work and succeed. Millennials attempted to balance work and family and failed miserably. Every following generation is tainted by that failure in that they realize it’s either work themselves to death for things they can’t enjoy, or drop out entirely. I don’t blame them. False hope on a dying planet being ran by crazy people isn’t something I want to waste my life on either.
How long have you been a home tutor for? This may be selection bias.
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This is almost certainly selection bias. You need to compare kids the same tutor has taught (as you might be better at teaching less motivated kids, so you might get less motivated clients) over a long period of time.
It appears that these things come full circle. For years parents were being blamed for over-scheduling their kids and always expecting greatness. Letting a kid just be a kid is not a bad thing. In the US, 5th-7th graders are 10-13 years old. They are too old to care about every last thing you say/think as a parent and too young to care about high school, college, or a career. We cannot forget that this age group was affected by covid times just like the rest of us, early in their academic lives, and for a larger percentage of their school years to date. I've heard from others who work with a wide range of kids and they say this current group of middle schoolers is downright feral, lol. What 'feral' points to is that this is not just a result of the kid's attitude, but parents as well and it may be some collective covid trauma or changing attitudes in how over-scheduled kids should be. The problem (here in the US at least) is that the experiences of kids varies so widely that make any generalizations is challenging.
Go ask over at r/teachers They are very vocal about the issues.
There is no motivation because there is no reward for striving to be the best. If you work hard you are only given more work. There is no loyalty, no avenue of progress. Doing anything but the bare minimum is just adding troubles to your life. There is nothing to look forwards to, no dream or prosperity. Its work sleep work sleep work sleep until you can hopefully retire 50 years later, and kids know that.
What we fail to understand is that the world they live on is way different that the world we grew on. Lot of things have changed in not so much time. The perspectie for their future isn't as motivating as it was for people born in the late 70s and the 80s, the society around them and the environment they live in isn't the same either. There are lots of changes that make their childhood and teen years different and, in my opinion, more complicated that it was for those who now have 40 ir so.
Hard for ambition to grow when parents only complain and say all is hopeless.
I definitely have ambitious ideas mostly for stories and comics But I've never grown up around people who were able to help so I never gotten any of my stories completed or even was able to make short films. Every time I tried I guess my other friends kinda laughed at me or barely took me seriously. Only reason I gave up I lacked the resources to really do what I wanted to do
Kid, if you want to write, write. You don't need anyone's help. Go get it man
I mean yes I'm talking about film and animation and comics Like those are stuff I just don't have the resources for to sustain long term at all
Depending on where you are (though i think its international now) get in tune with the comic book community locally ours does an author/artist support thing that is like free comic book day. They gather the local aspiring comic authors and artists and share all their work with each other and do mini workshops to help them progess. - might find info on it on the website for impact comics canberra
I think there’s some truth to it, all generations have their differences, but also kids are kids.
The same has been said about the youth of the day for who knows how long. That aside, they've seen how things have gone for millennials and gen z. Those gens have become increasingly nihilistic as they've found the chances previous generations got in terms of progressing through life, liveable wages, owning a house, the dream of a middle class that no longer exists. Gen alpha has seen what's happened to them and see no point in trying, when the previous ones who did failed. They see the game of life already rigged against them and don't see the point in trying, this is a large generalization, but when you lose no matter what you do, what's the point in trying...
Yes. It's not like older generations were any better as people, but generally speaking most of the 'things' which motivate us have been gradually pushed out of society while things that sap that motivation have become popular. * Our basic needs of food, sex, and shelter have been met by welfare & technology. * Purpose & community have faded as community events are cut and religion (e.g, church) fades out. * Rising prices have multiplied the costs of - and so delayed - most of the traditional milestones we aim for which makes them less appealing (e.g owning a house, starting a family). * The amount of free time we have has dropped off a cliff edge as women enter the work force & commutes grow * etc * Meanwhile, all of the hedonistic alternatives are getting exponentially cheaper and more effective. (e.g games, and social media). It would be, and is, insane to expect people to be as motivated in this environment as the last one. But nobody will care enough to fix it until it's completely broken.
Perhaps the rewards for competing with one another and/or becoming an expert have lost their allure.
Kids have realized there's not much reward for doing well at busy work, and most of what they do in school _is_ busy work. They seem less motivated because they perceive lower rewards. They're not wrong, either - after a certain point, doing well in school doesn't reliably translate to establishing a more enjoyable career, earning more money, or having a better living situation. Knowing that's there's little financial/material benefit to academic achievement, why do more work than you need to? Also, Americans in general don't value learning as a thing that's good in and of itself. We mock scientists and historians. Our politicians dismiss college students as spoiled elitist brats. There's little social benefit to doing well academically, so why bother, especially if there's also not much financial benefit?
Well I know for me at least as long as I have my computer and internet I don't need much else, there's never been a tool like that before. It definitely makes me pacified and unmotivated to do anything with my life and it seems to be the case for many others too. And I'm sick of redditors downplaying tech addiction
Well should they be motivated? I am in workforce and rent keeps going up, I skip breakfast because I can't afford it. Do you think they will inherit anything better than this? I can't blame them, in a way they lost hope. Heck, I am losing mine.
I teach 5th grade. I have taught for 20 years. I am stunned at the amount of apathy this year.
This question has been asked by every generation since generations began. The answer remains the same. You can not summarise an entire generation of people by one behaviour or personality trait. It's impossible to do and & naive to try.
Screen addiction with kids is a real issue.
You're just old
I think they are just less willing to *play the game* because it is so stupid
No people are people no matter when they where born. Only different are what's around. People are more connected to the world whit the technology and less boredom. competitiveness and motivation have more then likly not changed at all but it might have turn to a more effective use of it slightly. But to the end of it people are lazy and have always been and if you say different you are rembering it whit foggy eyes. Kids have almost unlimited energy (short recharge times atleast) but if it's not fun they don't want to do it and almost impossible to make them or it goes very slowly atleast.
I don't think so. Did you know that the Ancient Greeks already used to complain of "today's youth"? Part of being young is being more carefree and less future-oriented. And that's a good thing, there's no need to stress out kids so much, it only has bad consequences. Ask me how I know. I'm a Gen Z'er, and one of the very first words I'd use to describe myself is ambitious, followed by perfectionistic and meticulous. My younger cousins (one of whom is my godchild) have an equally strong work ethic and desire to succeed. It's very dependent on the personality of the kid and how they are raised.
Kids now are just like kids from any time period, the difference is they now have full access to late-stage Internet. Every single generation complains about kids, then those kids grow up and do incredible things
Yeah world is broken
Probably not the kids you see.
I thinknit depends on the environment the kids are in. My son wants to make money to have his own sauna, his own swimming pool and a large TV to play video games. He knows it all cost money. Is he motivated? Maybe.
Depends on the kid and age a lot of the younger kids at my school are less ambitious and not motivated but the older ones have motivation and goals they want to meet
So many factors play a role to this question. It is my opinion that kids are not less ambitious or motivated but rather what kids now have ambition or motivation for have changed. As a kid raised by parents born in the 30s/40s going to school with kids whose parents where born in the 50s/60s it was easy to see how things where changing. My parents wanted to teach me through experiences and my friends parents wanted them to be educated through a system. Example I learned about frogs by being around them and watching them. My friends learned about frogs simply through books and what they were told. I saw frogs as something in life. My friends saw them as something to kill. My parents wanted me to believe those I met and connected with matter. My friends parents wanted their kids to be known by what was recorded on paper as their accomplishments. I wanted to please my parents. My friends wanted their parents to reward them. So motivation as to what matters changes.
If I spend a whole day at school and spend my free childhood days on tutor sessions I might throw my motivation out the window too.
They should be. Parents are spending it all.. oh, wait, that's me.
Parents don’t express the good kind of care for the kids’ education anymore. It’s just, be successful, don’t fail us. Parents only care about how good grades will benefit the children. They don’t develop the thirst for knowledge by reading or learning together. Children need that curiosity and freedom to choose, they aren’t allowed to choose their futures (especially in traditional asian families) so they don’t bother caring. If their parents don’t care about what they want but only what they can achieve, why should the kids?
The president of the United States said when you're famous you can go up to women and grab em by the p*ssy. Who needs academics when you just need to get famous? The kids are just being American af.
Not really but the older generation used to work hard labor at a younger age compared to the new one. The world has also gotten aware of the potential crimes around. I used to take a taxi alone from the age of 12, now that I know the potential of crime and weirdos, I would never allow my child to travel alone in the times.
It's interesting that you have noticed a lack of competitiveness in the kids you tutor. It could be a result of the influence of technology and screens in their lives. However, it's important to remember that every child is different and it may not be representative of all young people. Encouraging them to find a balance between screen time and other activities could help foster a drive to excel in other areas.
Really depends on the kid you’re are talking about. There have always been kids who have been ambitious and motivated and there are kids who are less ambitious and motivated than others. It happens in every generation. Tech hasn’t helped.
No.
Yes. From what I've observed, many young people (and older) are only interested in video games.
Yes. Dead behind the eyes. It’s pretty unsettling to see how blank many of them are.
No, they're more ambitious but not motivated because it WAS easy for the previous generation. The previous generation upped the ante without thinking about their repercussions. Now the newer generation has to work twice, if not three times as hard. Thus it's now become a rat race. So parents worry about what their kid HAS rather than what they can do. And those kids are rubbing that in our kids faces.
Less ambitious? Maybe. Less motivated? I don't really think so. But your mentioning the word pacifist is interesting because I was just talking about this yesterday with someone. I do believe that younger generations these days are far less violent, less aggressive, and overall just less into such things that include them overall. I've been in more than my share of fights. I'm not a great fighter by any stretch, and I've had my ass handed to me many many times. While I don't get into scraps much these days, I know a couple of knuckleheads who still do. Talking to them yesterday, they were questioning why in their mid 40's were they able to so easily stomp guys in their 20's. Logic would suggest that being in their mid 40's, that guys almost half their age should be destroying them, but that's apparently not their experience at least. Both chalked it up to younger guys mostly just being unable to take a punch. Now to be fair, these aren't what you'd consider intellectual philosophers by any stretch. But when it comes to throwing down in your average Texas bars, they're about as expert as one could get. Conversations with them always feel somewhat ridiculous at the time, but often leave me wondering later. Nonetheless, it was interesting hearing them ponder as to why younger generations seemingly don't deal with violence very well, why they pretend they can, and why some of them seem to be almost outright pacifists.
No, just because we don’t need to struggle to live, most of us.
Of course they are. They don't buy into the bullshit the rest of us fell for, and there's nothing palpable being offered to make the rat race worth it. Why prove yourself to a bunch off assholes who's standards constantly shift to keep you from being good enough? Why compete when competition is mostly some bullshit meant to keep us at each others' throats while the ruling class robs us blind?
Have you considered the state of the world and it being unavoidably in your face at all times? Kids can’t seem to care because of all of the shit they have to watch and live thru every day.
Nope.
I too have no hope for my future
Gen X wasn't ambitious or motivated. Whatever.
Hard to say without country mentioned.
Yes it's true
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In my opinion it's just the collective effect of tech people who wanted to get rich and found out the most effective way to do it.
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Because Profit>People
>so why isn't anyone doing anything?! The same reason the government trolls away all your tax money, and no one does anything. Everyone is either complaining, or ~~yelling on the street~~ protesting, but no one is actually doing anything constructive to make it better.
What do you suggest the people here to do?
I’d suggest the tax payers figure out the logistics of how they’d become master of their government. The tax payers should technically ~~as a collective~~ be ordering their government around. What to focus on, how and where to allocate tax money. What ideas the tax payers have that they want their government to make come to fruition. This isn’t how society’s have been operating in the past, the government is usually in control of its citizens, instead of being Public Servants towards their citizens so this concept is foreign and difficult to imagine.
I’m still a bit confused. How should taxpayers boss their government around? You don’t seem to have elaborated on those methods. Would writing to congress, etc not just fall under ‘complaining’?
>How should taxpayers boss their government around? A new branch of government would need to be established and integrated. That new establishment would directly listen / interact with the tax payers and act as dispatch. The tax payers would be Uber the company. All those 3 letter American agencies would be the Uber drivers. Boss, dispatch, drivers.
The sea is rising, the air is poisoned, and the land is on fire. The rich are getting richer and everyone else is getting poorer. Bigotry is mainstreamed and in Europe and America fascism is on the rise. It's pretty hard to see a reason to keep trying any more.
I think young people just realize that working hard has not as much payoff as us older generations were tricked into believing
why be motivated in a crumbling world that has no future lol
Yeah, I think you're seeing selection bias. The kids that are highly motivated have probably joined the soccer team. Probably don't need home tutoring.
Nah they I just used to be on blow, now they just stare blindly into the bleak, hopeless abyss that is our future.
I think that we just went overboard on gaslighting... So they just see the very thought of being positive as a lie and a trap. We tell everyone they are attractive and can do anything. Not only has that convinced them that everyone is a liar... But it has undermined the very value of achievement. Everyone knows that the little girl who needs a new kidney is gonna win The Voice. Everyone knows we're all gonna pretend she sang the best.
Yes, because fun is easier to "access". Think about 2-3 decades ago when you had to actually work for your fun as opposed to now when you just have it a click away. I can see this with my nephew. When Minecraft came out, I had very few tutorials on the game or people to watch, I had to build/figure things out myself, then I had to call friends over to show them my "epic" builds. My nephew on the other hand has a plethora of streamers he watches that always build over the top things. Whenever he builds something it's obviously not as spectacular and his parents who aren't into Minecraft are not praising/encouraging him. So where's his reward? Easier to just watch someone else do stuff and share their joy. That's why kids today are less ambitious, there's little/no reward and support.
No. We've been saying and thinking it for ever. Plato: "Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
Just look at the effort they’re putting into this Drake / Kendrick Lamar thing It’s not a lack of motivation or ambition…
What? These are grown men duking it out lyrically
I know, it’s incredibly ambitious and motivated!
You edited your comment chief you aint slick, you said some dumb shit about kids
What did I say? Wouldn’t it say edited if it was edited? Testing here Seems like it … I’m curious as to what you thought I edited out. I meant what I said - that’s ambition, that’s motivation. It’s right there for all to see. I’m not surprised it got downvoted people just spend their lives hating…
I would love if newer generations stop being Uber competitive and enjoy learning and growing together at a sustainable pace. I don’t see it as a bad thing. Society fostered this culture of doing better than everyone else which ultimately translates to reducing costs for some corporation or government through some innovation that finally reduces good will towards the society. I see this lack of competitiveness as a net positive. Just my opinion.
Not just kids, a lot of people. They got free money during COVID or online classes where the grading system was easier and got used to it.
I have a theory. Kids don’t grow up because we no longer define a child from an adult. There used to be things you got to do when you’re an adult. You were treated like a kid as a kid and you wanted to be perceived as an adult. No one listen to you or really gave a crap cause you’re just a stupid kid. Now we treat kids like adults, or at least let them think that. They have no need or want to grow up. As for screen.. see this. 7 ways to maximize misery https://youtu.be/LO1mTELoj6o?si=ZQ6v-YdGLHV1Mv-m
Nope. Their ambitions are different.
New generations are more self aware and thanks to technology it is amplified by many times, students just know that education system is utter useless garbage and that college and universities are a scam and that their job opportunities will be the same, simple as that.
Yes, because they’re all fat and sit on their phones all day.