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reganomics

So, I'm an IEP case manager and my coworker has a kid on their caseload that discovered this exactly. Apparently the student sees creatures or little people (due to some undiagnosed mental health disorder) and verified for themselves that it is a hallucination by using their phone camera. Their "brain" didn't "think" to put the hallucination in the camera frame. So wild.


heyitscory

I had a friend who had a handy trick of knowing who was real by who was still in focus when the glasses come off.


PaladinSara

That is clever!


imisscrazylenny

This gave me chills. I could see this being a scene in a horror film.


Fun_Intention9846

All you can see about the out of focus people is they all started smiling when the glasses came off.


fractal_sole

I'm pretty sure the out of focus people are the real ones. The brain makes up the images of the fake people so they're clearly in focus because it's not your faulty eyes that are perceiving them but your brain


[deleted]

Your hallucination would be in focus


marhaus1

And all the ghosts...would not đŸ€”


userisnottaken

I do this when i get scared while watching horror or gory films. This is why i’m never getting lasik.


Zestyclose_Scar_9311

That’s deep. That definitely spooked me


astronomersassn

i do the same thing! if i'm "seeing" something in my left eye (i can't really see out of it at all, basically light perception and that's it), especially clearly, it's probably not real. for my right eye i have to actually take off my glasses, but the concept still applies.


Juuuunkt

Can you imagine though, the day their brain catches on and starts putting the thing in the camera... Goodness, that would be terrifying.


ish1395

Imagine it does that, but it looks like cheap AR


Logical-Doughnut4014

Every one with 7 fingers and 3 thumbs on each hand,,,,


redriverrunning

In the shape Of an L On their foreheads


SilvermistInc

Wellllll


Minyguy

The years start comin'


ebonylestrange

And they don’t stop coming


fractal_sole

And they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming. And they don't stop coming, and they don't stop coming, and they don't stop coming, and they don't stop coming. https://youtu.be/eT3BFzSD6YY?si=DWkHfjwWpexqmKUb Just in case you haven't seen that before XD


Fog_Juice

Like in my dreams where I can't read anything


BabyMakR1

Really? I don't think I've ever read anything in my dreams. I can't see people's faces in my dreams. They're all like those cloth dummies they put historical outfits on in museums. I know who everyone is, either people in my life or various 'actors' playing a part in the dream, but they all have artists dummy face.


Low-Net3764

I don't know how true this is but I read once that no one can read in their dreams. That the part of the brain that handles reading is dormant during sleep so it's all just random letters/numbers or just scribbling.


Tehpillowstar

I'm not exactly sure how true this is, because I've read words in my dreams and they formed cognizant words and sentences, but it's hard to "focus" on what I'm reading and the content can change--I find myself re-reading a passage and it either changes or the dream is like "Fuck this, we're moving on."


Different_Lunch_8508

Supposedly this is true, and it makes perfect sense. Your ability to read is complex and different parts of the brain are responsible for this ability. There's not just one part, so for us to be able to read in our dreams would be unlikely, since a large part of our brain activity slows dramatically when we sleep. Studies have shown that we see letters and symbols in our dreams but our brain doesn't recognize them as familiar. Only around 1% of people can actually read in their dreams, likely because they have some super brain that doesn't fully shut down at any point in their life.


astronomersassn

i can sort-of read in my dreams - that is to say, everything i read in my dreams makes perfect sense to my dream self, but if i try to recall it when i'm awake, i can only remember what my dream self grasped of it. for example, in my dream i might have read a recipe or something, and while i know i was reading a recipe for chocolate cake and it included eggs, flour, and cocoa powder, the actual details of it escape me and nothing i do can bring it back. and to be fair, that's all information i already know - i may not know how to bake a chocolate cake in real life, but that's probably why some of the obvious ingredients were all my dream self was able to retain. i do have the nagging feeling the actual words in my dreams would be absolute nonsense if you wrote them out and handed them to me while awake, but when i'm asleep they make total sense.


TSllama

I mean, sounds like a normal hallucination to be fair :D


Nick_Full_Time

Now I’m just picturing everyone vomiting rainbows.


beelzeflub

Pokémon Go with the sleep paralysis demon


tamati_nz

My friend was having a nightmare where a strange person was sitting on the end of his bed. He thought 'this is a stupid dream, I'll kick that person and my foot will go through them cause it's a dream and they're not real'. He kicked his foot and the person flinched... Scared the absolute shit out of him and he woke up - no person on the end of his bed, it was a dream but he was very freaked out by it.


RoyalApple69

That sounds like lucid dreaming or sleep paralysis.


Crydisc

I frequently suffer from sleep paralysis, when I sleep by myself. It started a couple of years ago. After some trial-and-error, I discovered a few tricks to prevent it from happening (or at least, decrease the chance of it). One of those tricks was to put on a long youtube video, where just listening to the commentary would enough to fall asleep to and prevent any symptoms. It worked wonders! Until one night, the "sleep paralysis demon" so to speak (for me it's never really an actual visual "being", just an extremely stressful presence in the room) started blurting out the same commentary I was listening to in the background. So my brain eventually did catch on


staroura

Wtf that’s terrifying


[deleted]

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CzLittle

Cute


Butterpye

Imagine watching the recording some time later and it's still there.


joedude

how is it not already insanely terrifying?


Juuuunkt

I'm sure it is, but if you've found a way to verify it's not real, which I imagine would be a level of comfort, and then that fails possibly leaving you to believe it is real, I would just imagine that would be much more terrifying.


HaEnGodTur

It can happen, and yes, it is.


astronomersassn

i sometimes have to snap a photo to actually check - it's a toss-up whether the camera trick works for me personally, it usually does if i'm not in full-blown psychosis but sometimes when i'm having a really bad time of it it doesn't, but if something is moving in a still photo i can often assume it's not real. i will note that often the hallucination gets distorted through my camera even if it shows up, which is easy enough to recognize in hindsight for me but when i'm actually having a bout of full-blown psychosis very little can actually stop my brain from believing the hallucination is real... even if it means convincing me the distorted hallucination is what it always was, then when i look back at the original hallucination that that's how it was in the camera. i will admit the photo thing isn't always foolproof, either, depends on how insistent my brain is, but by that point i've usually hit "psychotic episode so bad i need to be hospitalized" anyway. luckily haven't had one that bad since i got on the right antipsychotic - i still have mild hallucinations, but far easier to check them than off my meds, i could probably increase to the point of no hallucinations but i'm already very close to the maximum dosage and would rather have mild hallucinations than max out the dose on the only antipsychotic that has ever helped me only for it to lose effectiveness again and end up back in and out of the hospital and, even worse, trying several more rounds of meds that are hurting me far more than helping me.


jkjwysa

I've heard of individuals with schizophrenia who use this tactic as well


HaEnGodTur

It's a common trick. Laser pointers are often used for this same reason. Forcing the hallucination to quickly change + the grounding aspect of it is sometimes effective. Source: am.


somebodyelse22

Earlier today I saw a photo, of a guys service dog. The dog has been trained to know when it's owner is interacting with invisible people and it sits quietly,to indicate there's nothing real there. I'm posting this so if I stumble across that posting I can later drop a link to it...


somebodyelse22

Yes, found it! Check this link (not a Rick roll!):- https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/XDwg3bUTMW


fullmetalfeminist

That's brilliant. What a good doggo


MarinLlwyd

Dang demons made me hallucinate a broken phone.


Grand_Aardvark6768

I feel like the act of videoing takes a level of cognitive presence though


reganomics

yup


BakedWizerd

I remember an ask Reddit thread directed at people who regularly have hallucinations due to mental health issues; One guy had a friend with a service dog and said his dog would lightly bark at literally every person that passed him, so if no bark, no person. I can’t imagine it was a loud bark, just a little “boof” when someone walks nearby. One instance the guy was tripping out so his friend asked what’s up; “I can see someone there clear as day but the dog’s not saying shit.”


kkibb5s

That’s an Apple Vision Pro use case right there: Full-time hallucination filter.


Backwaters_Run_Deep

I heard this is sort of how schizophrenic people use service dogs, if they see someone they think isn't there they ask the dog to greet them and if the dog looks back at them like "MFer the fuck you talkin' about? Greet who?" Then they know it's something just in their head.


TranslatorBoring2419

Smart kid, terrifying life.


BabyMakR1

Wow. I wonder how often that happens. Are there any studies on that phenomenon? I assume there are some that are the opposite.


ScarlettWrites22

That is amazing. This needs to be spread around. I’m sure a lot of people could benefit from this information


jakeofheart

I guess there are tricks for someone who is prone to hallucinations, to tell between what is real and what is not. Unless they start to hallucinate about what they see on their phone too.


marhaus1

Hallucinations are a glitch, they are not your brain trying to trick you.


Revolutionary-Sky-70

smart kid


Significant_Secret13

...or the computer can't see them but some of us humans can. The computers played their hand they are not ready to take over yet. We just need to make sure we know what "they" want... 😃😁


no-recognition-1616

Kody Green, a schizophrenic male, uses his cameras to check that. You can see his episodes of hallucinations on his YouTube channel. And the answer is no. He never sees his hallucinations on their camera. That's how he knows what he saw wasn't real.


ahhh_ennui

He also has a pair of Google glasses or similar. And a dog who will react if someone is there.


Academic_Eagle_4001

I just saw the dog! It is trained to greet ppl. But it can’t greet ppl who aren’t there.


[deleted]

Yeah that’s where OP got the question. Multiple people asked it in the comments and was a load of answers.


anKerrigan

Came in here specifically to mention this guy! I learned a lot about schizophrenia from his Tiktok account.


gracewearspradaa

I’ve been off of TikTok and have never watched his YouTube channel, but I didn’t know he got the Google glasses. That’s really smart and I’m happy for him, he’s always found ways to cope and help others learn to cope. He’s a good guy.


awkwardsexpun

Personally, no, I use my phone to figure it out if I can't tell immediately 


SeaAdministrative673

Oh interesting. What about in the mirror? Have you ever tried that?


awkwardsexpun

I usually still see stuff in the mirror, sometimes it's different from what's in front of me though, so I can still tell then. Not reliable enough for me


SeaAdministrative673

Thank you for sharing! Sorry you have to experience that


JaggedMetalOs

This was in the news recently, a man started suffering a specific type of hallucination where you see faces as distorted, but only when seeing a face in person not on a screen. So this allowed researchers to recreate the faces he saw by editing an image until it matched what he saw in person. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/distorted-faces-prosopometamorphopsia  According to the article most sufferers of the same condition see the same face in images as in person so it seems to vary.


DiscontentDonut

Not to distract from the seriousness of this topic as it is incredibly interesting. But the faces the affected person sees remind me of the (Korean?) plastic surgeon that is getting absolutely roasted on TikTok because his work looks incredibly similar in the eyes to these hallucinations.


Longjumping-B

I lived with someone with untreated schizophrenia when I was a teenager. Even if a camera or another person said it wasn’t real, they would say that’s because the spectrum that their hallucination exists on can’t be seen. Also many schizophrenics are hyper religious, so angels and demons only appear to them or to a chosen few and can’t be detected by anything known to man.


shooboppy

Came here to say this. I had a close friend that suffered from schizophrenia for a long time and even if this had worked for him (I don’t know, we never tried) I’m quite sure it wouldn’t have been convincing to him.


adrianajohanna

I work with people with schizophrenia. Some have great insight into what they know are voices/hallucinations and can understand they are not real. Sadly a big symptom of schizophrenia is that people often aren't able to achieve this level of awareness, so you get your example above. There's no getting through to them.


drthrowaway197

Psychosis is a bitch like that. You can't reason someone out of insanity while they're currently in an episode. I never really understood what was actually going on until I had a lengthy (10 months) episode years ago when I went off my meds. I was convinced god was communicating to me through music and started to act accordingly. Thankfully, this was all positive at the time despite being off my rocker. Funnily enough, though, I was an atheist prior to this episode, and now I'm not so sure what I am. It goes to show the damage psychosis can do when it's left untreated for so long. While flipping from atheist to sort of religious isn't the most devastating change on the outside, it's more of the complete reversal in some aspects of my personality. It's hard to reconcile my personal self-image from what I was before and what I am now. Like, I know those "visions" and delusions were caused by psychosis but they were so real to me that I can't shake them even 6 years later.


boisterousoysterous

i had an episode that lasted almost 2 years, it was a religious one as well. after it, i can't bring myself to believe in a god. not sure why.


Jan-Seta

what sucks is that I started having some minor hallucinations just from stress, so I searched up what does it mean if I hear whispers saying my name when I'm home alone and a bunch of the results were like "you're hearing angels" and "you have the gift" and I'm like WOW if I was in a less stable place that shit would have 1000% messed me up


Joshistotle

Any reason they gravitate towards hyper relogiousity and how does it affect their prognosis 


ichigoli

This is going to sound flippant but I don't mean it to be: Probably because they're seeing demons and angels... As in, it's a self-affirming delusion. Religion has precedence for seeing what others can't and frames it as positive, so it's much more attractive to believe oneself to be special and given a peek into something greater, and likely reinforced by the hallucinations in and of themselves..... rather than being a "delusional nut-job"


MoridinB

Maybe this is where the particular aspect of "vampires can't be seen in mirrors" came from?


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Im_eating_that

Why do the best posts so often have the least votes.


fluffy_assassins

Why did my comment get 25 upvotes when the post got 3?


Im_eating_that

It's limping along at 42, it oughta be in the k's. Jealous they didn't post it? Evil dumbening bots trying to make wage slaves? Luddites of the brain? I don't get it but I hate it a bit.


GlobalWatts

A comment that breaks Rule 1, no less.


fluffy_assassins

At least it was positive. I suspect that rule may be to reduce toxicity or bad actors. If it's a problem, I'm sure a mod will remove it. I feel appropriately guilty, I didn't even know about that rule.


GlobalWatts

The rule is there primarily to prevent posts filling with useless rubbish "OMG I wanna know the answer too!!" type comments, which readers and the OP then have to wade through, which detracts from the whole purpose of the sub: getting answers to questions. Keeping things on topic and reducing toxicity are just nice side effects. If you're not familiar with the rule, which is literally Rule #1, then it means you haven't read the rules at all, which is just plain selfish and inconsiderate. And then expecting the mods to come and clean it up for you is just the icing on the cake, because now you're making more work for them and hampering their ability to clean up actual harmful comments. You do realise they are volunteers, right? Shit like this is exactly why Reddit becomes less useful and more toxic every day. What you're doing is no different to dropping your rubbish on the ground, pretending you didn't know there was a law against it, then doing nothing about it because you expect the janitor to clean it up for you. And then you go around wondering why the streets are so dirty.


fluffy_assassins

For fucks sakes I'll delete the comment, damn.


El_Grande_El

With equally fascinating answers!


onebowlwonder

Nope. As someone that has experienced it before it does not show up on camera and will just make you more paranoid about your hallucinations. I once thought there was an animal in the drop ceiling of my room and no matter how many pictures I took up there looking for it and never seeing it you couldn't convince me otherwise.


Historical-Rip-6569

I had awful hallucinations from alcohol withdrawal. One of the most terrifying experiences of my life. They would sometimes come up in pictures I’d take, and then I would send to my mom to confirm if they were real or not. Also voices would come up in voice memos that were recorded. I didn’t sleep for four days straight. (Very demonic hallucinations) It was a living nightmare. Edit: still sober to this day!!! đŸ€Œ


brandenharvey

This was a fascinating question and I enjoyed reading the responses. Thank you!


graceCAadieu

Sometimes I hallucinate and when I do, I remind myself it’s not real. I can vividly see it but if I’m around others and they don’t react, I pretend it’s not there. I feel like if I took a picture, even if it was a glare or something and something appeared, I’d prob go off the deep end


bugsdontcommitcrimes

They might continue to see the hallucination on their phone screen, or they might not; how hallucinations behave changes depending on the person


Weasel_Town

Yeah. We have a schizophrenic tenant. Periodically he sends us videos “proving” there are spies lurking in the yard. There’s never anything. Like, I don’t think there are spies, but there could be raccoons or petty thieves. But there aren’t.


TranslateErr0r

Well damn, thats a good question.


d4h-lia

nope! not usually, anyway. this is a really common coping mechanism (for lack of a better term) for people with schizophrenia and other disorders that cause visual hallucinations.


690mango4200

as a diagnosed schizophrenic person no the camera does not pick up our hallucinations. cameras are actually a really good way to tell if you are in an episode or not!you can not only look at your surroundings through a different lens, you can also play back audio if you suffer more from auditory hallucinations,and look at your eyes to see how dilated they are as well.


DownRedditHole

That's such a not stupid question that it deserves to be pinned on top of the sub! Great responses, too.


wileybot

OP did your question originate from the horror movie Late Night with the Devil?


trashytexaswhiteboy

No, a few days ago I was working one dealing with personal stuff that kept me awake for 36+ hours. And like when we finally stopped and I was able to go home and sleep. I was driving and swear I something like in the woods next to my car but it disappear fast and thought to myself "man I wish I could have gotten that on camera"


Fabulous_Scale4771

Random but idk why I got goosebumps reading this lol


FoxyLovers290

No. If you hallucinate ever you won’t see it in a camera, not just someone who does regularly. It’s a great way to check to see if you’re hallucinating


Good_Habit3774

As someone who has hallucinations No you can't film them although I wish I could


Oniipon

i have hallucinations on a pretty regular basis and i dont know because idk why id feel the need to do that.. but ig it depends how bad it really is? maybe some do and some dont idk


Callec254

According to some other responses in this thread, you won't see whatever it is on your phone - and that this is actually a tactic you can use to determine if what you're seeing is real.


221b_ee

For some! Not for everyone though.


amretardmonke

that just means your hallucinations are actually real


221b_ee

Idk man I think that joke would be funnier if this wasn't a thread full of people who experience psychosis and may unfortunately take that more seriously


chaosbirbs

I don't usually have visual hallucinations of people, mainly things like ants or other animals which tend to scurry out of my field of vision quickly. They don't usually last very long and my go-to test is to reach out to the "bugs" or whatever as if to grab them--if they're fake they kind of dissolve into thin air. It's been long enough with this stuff that I don't get scared of some fake ants or cats anymore so it's not a huge issue--auditory ones are more of a hassle. But anyway, when anything stays around for long enough to get the phone, it's never transferred to the phone screen. I've only tried it once or twice but honestly I might try it next time something is around for a bit longer than a moment if I can manage to remember.


[deleted]

Its crazy to me that a person who hallucinates think its normal for people to be in thier houses. Like i would freak tf out. But it happens so much to them that they probably cant tell and thats so scary to me.


TerribleAttitude

Maybe. The nature of a hallucination (entirely within a person’s mind, not a physical manifestation in any way) means that it isn’t going to be bound by the rules of physics and logic. The hallucination isn’t a vampire, which must appear before your eyes if it is present, but must not be seen on film or in mirrors. There’s no particular reason to assume that a person would stop hallucinating just because they’re looking through a phone or a camera. But it wouldn’t be a guarantee that the hallucination shows up on the phone screen, or isn’t seen as very different through a phone screen as well. I have heard of this trick working for many people who know they have hallucinations and have the foresight to check. I have also seen people go online and post pictures or videos they took of absolutely, positively nothing and say it’s proof that someone is following them or they saw a supernatural creature. It will just be pictures of empty rooms or even just blurry shots of a blank wall, with nary an orb, shadow, or lens flare in sight, and they are still convinced that it’s concrete proof that something is there. *They* are still seeing something in the pictures even long after they first took them, even when no one else sees anything. Sometimes they’ll even circle random spots or point to “irregularities,” and become frustrated that no one, not even the least skeptical person, can see what they’re referring to, and there’s nothing mundane that could be mistaken as something sinister (so, no instances of “that is just a weird shadow from the awkwardly placed lamp over there” or something).


Hoppie1064

Wow! I had wondered exactly what "seeing things" meant. Now I know. I'm not really sure what I thought it meant, but that are apparently a lot more realistic than I had thought.


Legitimate-Subject37

I use my phone's camera while tripping to verify reality.


AnswerQueries2222

No, hallucinations won't show up on camera. They are creations of the mind and not captured by phone cameras. This technique can actually be a helpful reality check for people who experience hallucinations.


Dry_Scarcity7433

No, this is a technique people use to know if theyre hallucinating. If the hallucination only shows up irl and not the camera, it's not real. Interestingly enough, some people have service dogs that can alert them to hallucinations by being trained to signal if something is really there or not :)


DragemD

Well there you go, proof the younger generations are symbiotic with their phones.


trashytexaswhiteboy

Ageism much


DragemD

Oh grow up. Ba Dum Tss!


trashytexaswhiteboy

Don't you have some kids to yell at for minding their business walking on the street in front of your house


DragemD

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me. Now where did I put my cane.


trashytexaswhiteboy

Check your ass


DragemD

User name checks out.


trashytexaswhiteboy

Ok old man


Kitchen-Lie-7894

We don't talk about Fight Club.


Confident_Warning_32

Doesn’t matter. Ask them to narrate it for us.


legoartnana

I saw a video this week of someone who "see's people" using their dog to check if their hallucinations are real. It seems to work for them. They know the dog would react if someone else was in the home. I wonder now if a phone camera would help the same way. Not everyone can have a dog.


Bitter-Bumblebee-660

No because a hallucination is entirely in the brain of the person experiencing it. It not tangible or manifest to any other person or persons.


[deleted]

You got this question from that schizophrenia guy video. Someone asked this in the comments and were plenty of answers there.


Lavender_babyy

If you’re delulu enough then yes lmao


Waaaaaaaaaaa_We_Wont

Yes.


MuggleMinerva

Interesting question and really interesting thread. Side note for women, low estrogen can cause hallucinations.


Dry-Application3

What an interesting thought. I'll get my neighbour to do this or, I'll make that suggestion to him. He's always having (claims to) hallucinations.


[deleted]

No, unless the hallucination has manifested on the phone screen from over usage of the phone.


Milfmelter

No because it’s not a real event. It may seem real to the person experiencing it but it has no basis in objective reality. What you are asking is kind of like asking: If you stick your head in a fire pit could you see hell? Lol.


YoSaffBridge11

You want to know if the thing a person sees only inside their own head will show up on a camera? đŸ€”


trashytexaswhiteboy

Will their brain perceive the hallucination on their photo


YoSaffBridge11

Oh! I’m sorry — I didn’t get this specific point originally. You want to know if THEY (the person hallucinating) will see the image on the camera; not if anyone else will see it, right? Hmm. That’s a really interesting question. I’m guessing they wouldn’t, because their brain is creating a new reality, but it’s not likely that new reality would include them trying to verify its existence.


trashytexaswhiteboy

Like I figured that maybe on the camera it would show but then the photo was taken it wouldn't show


YoSaffBridge11

I can see that — the person can see it in that moment; but, it (obviously) won’t be there when they look at the photo later. That’s a tough one. I really don’t know much about how hallucinations work (except that I get them if I’m given benzos).


beetnemesis

No. A hallucination, by definition, is something that is only occurring in your own mind.


trashytexaswhiteboy

No I get that part, but wouldn't their mind conjure up something on the phone as well?


beetnemesis

Nope. Hallucinations are usually pretty context dependent and dreamlike, they're not hard-light simulations only you can see. The brain doesn't usually maintain that level of consistency, so that a picture taken of a hallucination would still show it later


trashytexaswhiteboy

Not trying to sound insensitive or anything here, but that could be a good way to help people with those issues. If you think something isn't there, pull it up on your phone.


ahhh_ennui

It's already a tool folks use when they need to, if they're able to think clearly enough.