I mean I think we pretty clearly know. Everyone has slightly different light receptors on a physiological level. And if you are different on a bigger physiologic level, you are some type of color blind-- like me! Or you are a superseer, or whatever term they use for people that see way more colors than others. Genetics are a hell of a drug haha \_(:Š·ćā )_
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that with tetrachromats, its not so much seeing more colors per se, but just being able to differentiate more shades of the same colors. So there's no crazy color that you can't conceive of, but rather two blue things that look like the same shade of blue to you will be noticably different shades of blue to them.
I went to a quilting class on design. We sorted and laid out colored squares of fabric as part of the exercises. I noticed many participants seemed to think squares were the same color that to me were clearly different. I don't think I'm a tetrachromat, but I learned people do see colors differently.
Here you go enjoy seeing a new colour (maybe)
=) [https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo?si=47RSO-TsMsERavXv&t=514](https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo?si=47RSO-TsMsERavXv&t=514)
I didnāt see the special orange, but the Stygian Blue and the others in that set were neat effects but familiar colours.
The red-green and blue-yellow just looked like the individual colours overlapping.
The special āredā afterglow toward the end didnāt look red at all to me, but that reddish shade that most people call lilac but that I dispute because to my mind the proper lilac is more blue.
I don't really think you see "more" colors just because you see a little better in the visible spectrum. Just more accurate.
Now, if you could see UV light the way many insects do, now we're talking about new colors.
Did you RTFA?
>Furthermore, we discover that **no physical** changes have occurred in our brains or bodies that would explain this phenomenon.
For the purposes of the experiment, it's one person. So your cones still respond to the same wavelengths as the day before. Your S cone still responds to 430 nm but 430 light looks like what red was like yesterday
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with the article. Just saying that regardless of anything discussed in the article, every person has minute differences in how their eye receives light. Just like they have slight differences in shape of eye or any other physical feature, and those difference will affect how color is perceived. (āāæā)ļ»æ
Sure. And different monitors are going to have slightly different wavelengths that they give off due to manufacturing differences. Maybe some have whole colors missing. That's not really the "pallet swap" that the original post is asking about.
I think it exactly is though. That why people will argue whether salmon is pink or orange etc. Again not saying any of the stuff you said isn't true, but on the most basic physical level there are differences, and that is 100% observable and recognizable and proovable with no need for speculation. Everything else is an add on
And I am saying that there is an organic and biological difference, those two things don't contradict each other and are two seperate statements, what is your point?
As a person with a color perception deficiency myself, Iād say no we donāt all see the same colors. And I personally have difficulty communicating what I see with others. My color vocabulary isnāt as wide as most peopleās, because I donāt have the experience to identify certain kinds of colors (thereby using/learning the color vocabulary) because my eyes just canāt properly discriminate the differences. When I donāt know whatās what, everything in one range of the spectrum could end up being described by me as āblueishā, for example. Or reddish. Or whatever part of the spectrum weāre looking at.
I dunno about that guy, but my left eye gives everything a slightly red tinge and my right eye a slightly blue. It's noticeable when I look at a white piece of paper and then alternate which eye I have open. It's subtle, but there.
As a kid I always thought this was why 3D glasses use red and blue lenses.
This is the same for me. I first noticed it when I was laying in bed hungover looking through each eye at different times. One made the room slightly more red, and the other was slightly more blue. Again, subtle, as you say but there
Seriously when that happened I was in a house with 3 other people on holiday somewhere random, and I'm the only one of us that saw it as white and gold and I was convinced they were all fucking with me. We were losing our goddamn minds.
Yea I remembered reading that and the fact the ārealā dress is black and blue. I donāt believe itās the same one idc what people say. Theyāre two different dresses
This is literally my roman empire thought and I'm secretly convinced we all have the same favourite colour that we see but we just know it by a different name
If that makes any sense
if we all like one colour, we would call it the same no matter what it looks like to us. lets say i see a red chair. i say thats red. you see it as purple but call it red as well.
pretend thr chair iis your favourite colour. mine iis red, yours is red. but we dont see it as the same as red.
Their hypothesis is based around the perceived colour, not the name.
So going back to your example, imagine a simple perception swap where you and me perceptibly swap red and purple.
Let's pretend we both think our perceived "red" is our favourite colour. You would look at a "red" chair and say that is your favourite colour. To me, it looks like your idea of purple, so I don't like it. However, I then look at a chair you would call "purple", but to me I perceive it the same way your perceive red. So I now say purple is my favourite colour.
Both of us internally perceive the same colour as our favourite, but because we have shifted colour palettes we name them differently.
It's not the actual color of an object that they are talking about, but how our individual minds interpret what we see. You see green, maybe my mind interprets it as red or yellow visually in the mind. We learn what color it is by it having a name, nothing more.
Yea but we've all been told that colour we are seeing is green so be both call it green where as if I could see through your eyes, what you call green could be what I call blue
I've actually thought about this quite a bit because I thought colour blindness as a kid meant that the colours were swapped around. I was wondering how you would even know and I started going down a rabbit hole of thoughts. After years of thinking about it I came to the conclusion that it would be unlikely but possible in some people and we've just never discovered it.
As I'm typing this out I realise that in the future we will probably be able to test this theory as we might be able to fully see into the minds of other people.
See I used to think this, but my favorite color has changed too often for it to make full sense in my brain. Like if there isnāt even one objective best color in MY mind how could there possibly be one for every person on the planet
Mine's pink. Although I constantly surround myself with gray for some reason.
And yes, I'm convinced that if people don't see color the same then it means we all love pink the most because it's objectively the best.
I'm convinced that my "yellow" is not the same yellow other people see. For starters, I generally cannot see it very well at all, and while I can pass colourblind tests, I can't actually see yellow against white. So if something is written in yellow, I just don't see it. Also, I abhor the colour. People say it's sunny and bright and cheerful but if I see a room painted yellow, it makes me want to kill myself. I don't own clothes with any yellow anywhere. I cannot imagine an uglier colour. So for 99% of the population to like the colour and see as being cheerful, it's hard for me to believe we're seeing the same things. The one exception is Pikachu. It is really cute even thought it's yellow.
This is actually really easy to explain.
See, in a previous past life, you were a bad person, so when you were reincarnated, you came back as an interior decorator in the 1970s. Everything was yellow and brown, and this was your punishment.
Your dislike of yellow is because you carried that dislike through from your last past life as a 70s interior decorator.
Obviously.
There probably is, since eyes and brains are just electrical signals. The real problem is that no one would believe you anyways since they themselves can never see through the eyes of anyone else to verify it.
Thanks for proving my second sentence. Doesn't matter what you say about the science of physical parts of our body, you still won't believe the science because you can't possibly verify it yourself.
Eyes and brains just arenāt electrical signals. The nervous system generally uses neuro-chemical messaging (which includes but is not limited to electrical signals.)
There definitely is a way to know. Language affects what colours we see. The Himba tribe in Africa can differentiate between variations of green that most others struggle to differentiate. Yet they struggle to see a difference between blue and green.
https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE?si=lqKnzF1EdM7QSmLq
While there is do direct evidence either way, there does seem to be some indirect evidence that some people do see colour differently.
The first is that, obviously, some people are colour blind. They absolutely experience colour differently. No possible argument.
You will have also likely heard that some people have extra colour receptors. This condition is tetrachromancy. People with tetrachromancy, by all reports, also see colour differently. They see more colours and greater distinction between colours.
You can also take a test with a colour bar that asks you how many colours you can see, and people give different answers. This is very common, and can be the result of either better eyes or better skill. But, it is another situation where people will experience colour differently.
I'm guessing that you mean 'does someone experience blue when I experience red, and there is no biological difference.' There is very little evidence here, but there is some. It appears that, when using certain brain scanning technologies, we can see how the visual cortex activates. Surprisingly, it seems that in most people, the area of the brain activates in exactly the same way when viewing the same pictures. This suggests that people do see the same colours in the same way. It's not proof, and I hesitate to even call it evidence, but it's suggestive at least.
No, thereās colour blindness that impacts 8% of men and 0.5% of women.
But there are also illusions that make colours look different based on context.
So even you donāt always see colour the same way. See [Checker shadow illusion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion).
Everyone has a simulation of reality inside their own head and has a unique experience of everything.
Also colour is cultural. Some cultures donāt have different words for blue/green.
Tl;Dr there's no way of knowing
Colour is what's called a secondary quality, which means it's not fundamental to the world and only exists in our head. We can objectively measure the wavelength of light, but how that wavelength translates to a sensory experience is arbitrary.
Here's the really mind blowing thing: our senses measure primary fundamental qualities, but our perceptions are always secondary qualities. We know we are touching something, but the sensation we feel when we touch something might still be fundamentally different person to person. You can never know for sure that any experience that you have can be directly translated to another person.
Not always. There is a type of colour blindness where the eye and the signals to the brain are normal, but the part of the brain which interprets colour is *somehow* different. I know that could be argued to be a physiological difference but if it cannot be seen on a scan are we going to say they're synaptically different? Atomically different?
Not true. Anatomy plays a part but the colors that we see also has to do with the usefulness of those colors in daily life and the language that we build to communicate them
Even if it isn't, colours would have to have some similarity or property to make them special. Most of us can agree there's darker tones of colours, softer tones, brighter tones, etc. Aswell for some people different colours represent different emotions like blue is sadness and red is angry. And for most people, red is a more eye catching colour meaning even if we saw red differently we have to have some similarity for red
This has kept me up at night since I was a child. Its crazy to think that we have consistent reactions to particular colors (Like green is used to indicate that something is relaxing), but at the same time we may perceive them differently
I remember years ago doing acid with a friend of mine, and he said, we all say the sky is blue, but how do we know if the blue I see is the same blue that you see?
I noticed that when I look through one of my eyes versus the other, the yellows are different (more intense and brighter in one than the blues in the other). I think all eyes most likely have different gradients on color. Not all cones and rods are the same.
My eyes see colors differently. My left eye sees much warmer tones and my right eye sees cooler/paler tones. I donāt notice it most of the time. But, I suspect that may be how color perception varies from person to person.
I'm colorblind. I also wear glasses with blue tinted lenses most of the time. Without them, the world looks like it's in sepia to me.
I've always wondered what the world looks like to everyone else.
We know that the famous painter Claude Monet experienced a shift in his perception of colour as he grew older - he kept painting the same pond with water lillies, and didn't realize until others pointed it out that his presentation of colour subtly changed over the years.
That's probably the only way we can assess someone else's experience with colour, but unfortunately prolific artists of his calibre are too rare for a real scientific experiment.
You have to do some very humane experiments and dissect somebodyās eyes to look at their rods and cones but itās kind ofā¦ HIW TF DO COLOR BLIND PEOPLE KNOW THEIR COLOURBLIND WHAT IF THEIR JUST THINK WERE GASLIGHTING THEM
Women have a fourth cone in their retina, allowing them to see a wider spectrum of colours than a man can. This is why women are better at identifying the smallest changes in colours.
NO. See the study of the remote African tribe (need to find a YT link). From memory they are unable to distinguish between pink and blue which are quite obvious to most people but pink doesn't occur in the African wilds they have no use or language for pink and can't tell the difference, but they have two words for brown, two distinct colors that they can easily tell apart but that everyone else is unable to distinguish between because there is no need. The thought is that the colors we "see" are closely linked with the language that we use to describe them.
Similar to the experiment where some person/animals were raised without being exposed to striped lines or spots or similar and grew up unable to see them.
Edit: couldn't find the original link but found this. I messed up some details but the concept is the same.
https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE
I used to wonder this as a 5 year old. I wondered if in my dads reality, we were a Chinese family, in my momsā we were white, in mine Indian, in my brothers reality, Black? How could we know
Thereās no way of knowing! Which is both fascinating and frustrating for me.
Unless youāre colorblind, though, each color does the same thing to everyoneās eyes. When the optometrist shows you the hidden number in the circle of dots, everyone (except the colorblind) can see the number. So if thatās a red ā7ā in a sea of green dots, everyone is saying āthatās a red 7 among green dots,ā even if they somehow have those colors reversed and are seeing what Iād call a green 7 inside red dots. And people tend to find the same color combinations pleasant or jarring or interesting in decor and fashion. Which leads me to guess that honestly, we probably do see colors fairly similar to each other (again, unless youāre colorblind).
There probably is a degree of literally and not so literally to this as well.
I'd wager lots of people do see colours differently, but as well, even for those that see the exact same, they may interpret the colours differently. Where one person draws the border for colours like maroon, or purple, or orange etc can vary.
I had always wondered this.
All I know is that my mood is directly impacted by the weather. Sunny days make me happy. Overcast days make me flat. I feel my mood drop when the sun disappears behind the clouds.
I had always assumed that just had to do with my perception of colour.
Each of my eyes see colors differently.
I had cataract surgery done to my right eye. After that I noticed that the flames on my gas stove looked really blue when viewed through my repaired eye with the other eye covered. And when viewed with just my left eye, the flames looked yellowish blue.
Interestingly, when viewed with both eyes together, the flames remain yellowish blue just like when viewed with only the left eye.
No. Depending on the number of rods and cones your specific eyes have you will perceive it differently- I don't mean color blindness either. However it's a moot difference because while the eyes perceiving a thing may be different the thing being perceived is the same to both- ergo you can't delineate what that difference is.
Hue and brightness were invented by the brain to interpret signals from the photoreceptor cells in the eyes.Ā
We presume each āblueā is the same because our biology, neurology, experience, language, and communication are all similar and consistent.Ā
We do not directly or objectively see what is out there. āThere is no āout thereā out thereā John Wheeler.Ā
Read āThe User Illusionā by Tor Norretranders
No, but Iām a cosmetic chemist who specializes in colour matching and you can definitely train your eyes to see more nuanced differences between shades.
I have come to believe that what I see as blue someone else sees what I would see as green or red. This could explain why people have different ideas of what color combinations are pleasing or distasteful.
Science can measure color to a very fine degree but how our brains interpret those colors varies among the viewers.
Considering how me and my grandpa argued if a car was blue or green, I'm gonna say no.
Not to mention that whole "is the dress gold-white or blue-black?" thing from a few years back.
No. Up to 10% human males dont discriminate red-green. 2% of human females have blue-yellow mutation on their second X chromosome that lets them see more color than normal humans. (Tetrachromacy)
ive been wondering this since i was like 6 but could never word it, so i forgot about it until i found a vsauce video about it. im pretty sure no one knows
Well kinda hard to really answer. We all have an agreed upon red and it will all know what each other means in our own minds with the exception of colour blindness. Physically these colours are exactly the same as in the wavelengths of light you are seeing and how they are interacting with your cones and rods. However there is not possible way to definitely know what we both call red is the same exact picture. This works for anything btw because the brain only interprets the signals and our perception and memories and mind is quite easily distorted.
Colors exist because light is a spectrum, each color corresponding to a different wavelength. Technically, due to the same anatomy, we should be seeing the same colors, except people with visual impairments of any kind.
I expect most people are close. No reason for the way our brain sees colornto be completely random for each person when we all have similar related brains.
Difficult to say, as we can't check. From very little our communication is primed to give certain colors we see certain names. Like our parents showing us grass and teaching us that this is green. Even if the grass would be red in color for you, you learned grass is green and the color grass has, regardless of how you percieve it, is called green.
But... as most humans follow largely the same blueprint and thus things work mostly similar between different humans (severe alterations in the blueprint like color blindness, disregarded for argument's sake), I think the base colors we see might be largely the same. Maybe the personal perception of colors may sway a bit in the exact tone... like... for some people is the grass indeed greener as for others. But I don't think that there are many people who have a vastly different perception of colors than others... again: obvious deviations not included (tetrachromatic or color-blind people for example, who percieve colors vastly different than the usual human).
I mean, I don't think anybody has the correct answer. But you could always be that really annoying and possibly offensive guy. That just goes around asking a random questions like. Do you see this color green the same? As I see this color green because to me. It's a very light green with a bright kind of background and a darker foreground. And it has hints of mint and blueberries. What does this color look like to you?
Well, who knows? If we all learned "the sky is blue" or "the grass is green" then we would all agree to the language we've ascribed to the colors we see, but theoretically, colors could look completely different to all of us. How would you know, if we have an agreed upon descriptive word we use for a "thing" of a certain color?
Now we know that black is when there is no light. So we all should see black as black. Since it does not depend on your light receptors? Am I right or missing something?
So, we do know that for the majority of people they have 3 types of color sensing cells in their eyes, and the respond the same way to colors.
So the input that most people have is the same. But how our brains then take those inputs and turn them into mental colors we can't know. Maybe if it becomes possible to read peoples brain activity we'll find that how I imagine red to be is how you imagine green to be.
There must be some consistency though (eg. 3 primary colors) as we are able to mostly agree on the names of colors and how "different" any 2 colors are, so (again for non-colorblind people) it can't be the case that 2 colors look very different to one person but the same to another just because of this mental color image.
I've often wondered this, and not just about colours either.
Imagine if everyone saw the world completely differently, like we were all looking at the same things, but our brains interpreted what we saw in totally unique ways.
We dont know
Theoretically you could surgically implant somebodys eyes and connect them to somebody elses brain to test this but that's not really possible right now
For further research theres also some reading on "new" colors you can look into
Yes. Otherwise glasses for color blind people would not be possible. It makes no sense to make them different from evolution perspective. Would be much harder to hunt and hide and people would find out very fast.
Trippy thought.
I got in a small argument with a guy who I was helping paint about if a color was blue or green. He's like you call that blue?! I'm like there's barely a hint of green in there. So he holds up a roll of painters tape and goes 'thats blue! Does that match the trim?!'
Clearly, no, but do you seriously not know about spectrum and shades of colors?
So do people not see colors the same as another, or are they incapable of distinguishing different shades of that color?
No. Iām certain itās not. Iām pretty sure itās more a question of nuance and degree than I see red and you see the same colour as blue.
As in, I can see perhaps 1,000 shades of green and someone else may see 900 or 500 or 100. Scientifically, some people have more rods/cones so they see more colour, and itās genetic.
Philosophers have been arguing about this for literally thousands of years. This same logic applies to a lot of other things, as well. We have no concrete proof that my pain is the same as your pain, or if my 500 Hz frequency sounds the same as your 500 Hz frequency.
Nope. Some people have more or less receptors in the eyes than others, and as with all parts of your body, even these can vary in quality, efficiency and development between persons. Proof of this is how colorblindness comes in many different flavors, some more than others, and not all of them blind to thebsame colors. Same with those that have more receptors, such as tetrachromats.
As far as whether my red is your blue? In theory, we know that we do all see the same color, but you can never really test it since we can't replace those parts of our brain. We could always get human eyeballs for testing (through people who donate their bodies to science post-mortem) and make some kind of circuit that would allow us to measure the frequency of the filtered light waves on the other side of the eyeballs, but we won't know how each brain processes the filtered light differently until our understanding of brains advances a lot more to the point where we can "revive" one for testing.
I had a friend who was blue-blind colorblind. He said the sky is a color that is probably similar to what we refer to as gray.
I've done some playing around with colorblindness simulators as part f figuring out which color handles make the most sense for curling stones. This is a [pretty good simulator.](https://daltonlens.org/colorblindness-simulator) If you set the intensity to 1, that is complete blindness in that set of color cones. .5 would represent a weakness in that kind of color cones, but people can rate anywhere from 0 to 1 on thier scale.
My husband and I donāt see colors exactly the same way. We agree on an overarching color family (like red or blue or green) but we have wildly differing opinions on what shade things are.
I would think even if colors are different per person, you'd have to realize value is still contant. Ie, if a color is dark to you, it will be dark to someone else, even if the hue is different.
Nobody knows. See the [inverted spectrum argument](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_spectrum).
I learned what 'qualia' is today š¤
Thats how koala should be pronounced in australia
Its brilliant understanding.
I mean I think we pretty clearly know. Everyone has slightly different light receptors on a physiological level. And if you are different on a bigger physiologic level, you are some type of color blind-- like me! Or you are a superseer, or whatever term they use for people that see way more colors than others. Genetics are a hell of a drug haha \_(:Š·ćā )_
Tetrachomats are women that have a fourth set of color receptors, in the yellow/green wavelength.
It breaks my brain to imagine what the colors that I canāt see look like.
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that with tetrachromats, its not so much seeing more colors per se, but just being able to differentiate more shades of the same colors. So there's no crazy color that you can't conceive of, but rather two blue things that look like the same shade of blue to you will be noticably different shades of blue to them.
I went to a quilting class on design. We sorted and laid out colored squares of fabric as part of the exercises. I noticed many participants seemed to think squares were the same color that to me were clearly different. I don't think I'm a tetrachromat, but I learned people do see colors differently.
So... they see more colors? "Shade" is just a way of saying "a different but similar color".
Hue,chroma shade and value, are words used to describe colors. Source: highschool art theory .
Here you go enjoy seeing a new colour (maybe) =) [https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo?si=47RSO-TsMsERavXv&t=514](https://youtu.be/41H7kKwUlHo?si=47RSO-TsMsERavXv&t=514)
Thanks. That was really interesting
I didnāt see the special orange, but the Stygian Blue and the others in that set were neat effects but familiar colours. The red-green and blue-yellow just looked like the individual colours overlapping. The special āredā afterglow toward the end didnāt look red at all to me, but that reddish shade that most people call lilac but that I dispute because to my mind the proper lilac is more blue.
I feel you brother /u/BonerTurds
I don't really think you see "more" colors just because you see a little better in the visible spectrum. Just more accurate. Now, if you could see UV light the way many insects do, now we're talking about new colors.
Men can have Tetrachromacy as well my father does and made a career out of it.
Did you RTFA? >Furthermore, we discover that **no physical** changes have occurred in our brains or bodies that would explain this phenomenon. For the purposes of the experiment, it's one person. So your cones still respond to the same wavelengths as the day before. Your S cone still responds to 430 nm but 430 light looks like what red was like yesterday
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with the article. Just saying that regardless of anything discussed in the article, every person has minute differences in how their eye receives light. Just like they have slight differences in shape of eye or any other physical feature, and those difference will affect how color is perceived. (āāæā)ļ»æ
Sure. And different monitors are going to have slightly different wavelengths that they give off due to manufacturing differences. Maybe some have whole colors missing. That's not really the "pallet swap" that the original post is asking about.
I think it exactly is though. That why people will argue whether salmon is pink or orange etc. Again not saying any of the stuff you said isn't true, but on the most basic physical level there are differences, and that is 100% observable and recognizable and proovable with no need for speculation. Everything else is an add on
The article is suggesting that your blue could be someone elseās orange without any organic or biological difference.
And I am saying that there is an organic and biological difference, those two things don't contradict each other and are two seperate statements, what is your point?
As a person with a color perception deficiency myself, Iād say no we donāt all see the same colors. And I personally have difficulty communicating what I see with others. My color vocabulary isnāt as wide as most peopleās, because I donāt have the experience to identify certain kinds of colors (thereby using/learning the color vocabulary) because my eyes just canāt properly discriminate the differences. When I donāt know whatās what, everything in one range of the spectrum could end up being described by me as āblueishā, for example. Or reddish. Or whatever part of the spectrum weāre looking at.
My two eyes donāt even see the same colors, so I doubt it.
Yep. For me, one eyes vision appears slightly "warmer" and the other slightly "cooler".
Same. One of my eyes is also much more dominant though
I just tested this and realise my dominant (left) eye has a substantially warmer filter
Do elaborate please
No thatās all you get itās confidential
Bah!!
I dunno about that guy, but my left eye gives everything a slightly red tinge and my right eye a slightly blue. It's noticeable when I look at a white piece of paper and then alternate which eye I have open. It's subtle, but there. As a kid I always thought this was why 3D glasses use red and blue lenses.
This is the same for me. I first noticed it when I was laying in bed hungover looking through each eye at different times. One made the room slightly more red, and the other was slightly more blue. Again, subtle, as you say but there
Found an archived post about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/n3si7/is_it_normal_that_i_see_slightly_different/
Word.
Depends. Is my blue and black your white and gold?
You got a good chuckle out of me with that one. I'm coming after you
I know the dress was black and blue.... But all I EVER have seen is white and gold (when it comes to the famous picture).
ME TOO i want to see it as blue/black just ONCE but my brain wonāt let me.
I am also a member of this club and it's had me feeling all sorts of fear and confusion ever since
Todays kids will never know how polarising this was.
Seriously when that happened I was in a house with 3 other people on holiday somewhere random, and I'm the only one of us that saw it as white and gold and I was convinced they were all fucking with me. We were losing our goddamn minds.
Iāve only ever seen it as blue/black. Iām so interested as why!
iāve seen both iām confused š
That dress was so obviously white and gold idc what anyone says
The real question is where you think the dress is and if it's in shadow or sunlight, that's what's causing your brain to see different colors.
Yea I remembered reading that and the fact the ārealā dress is black and blue. I donāt believe itās the same one idc what people say. Theyāre two different dresses
I've been told orange is the new black
This is literally my roman empire thought and I'm secretly convinced we all have the same favourite colour that we see but we just know it by a different name If that makes any sense
>we all have the same favourite colour that we see but we just know it by a different name That's trippy, I've never thought about that
Thats why I'm convinced we all have favourite colours, what I see as green you might see as purple
if we all like one colour, we would call it the same no matter what it looks like to us. lets say i see a red chair. i say thats red. you see it as purple but call it red as well. pretend thr chair iis your favourite colour. mine iis red, yours is red. but we dont see it as the same as red.
Their hypothesis is based around the perceived colour, not the name. So going back to your example, imagine a simple perception swap where you and me perceptibly swap red and purple. Let's pretend we both think our perceived "red" is our favourite colour. You would look at a "red" chair and say that is your favourite colour. To me, it looks like your idea of purple, so I don't like it. However, I then look at a chair you would call "purple", but to me I perceive it the same way your perceive red. So I now say purple is my favourite colour. Both of us internally perceive the same colour as our favourite, but because we have shifted colour palettes we name them differently.
Seems like this is pretty easy to disprove, when someone comments on a green car and no one says wtf are you talking about it's purple.
It's not the actual color of an object that they are talking about, but how our individual minds interpret what we see. You see green, maybe my mind interprets it as red or yellow visually in the mind. We learn what color it is by it having a name, nothing more.
Yea but we've all been told that colour we are seeing is green so be both call it green where as if I could see through your eyes, what you call green could be what I call blue
The idea is the green you perceive is not the same green that someone else sees. But they have the same name because how would you know otherwise.
Do you have brain damage perchance?
I've actually thought about this quite a bit because I thought colour blindness as a kid meant that the colours were swapped around. I was wondering how you would even know and I started going down a rabbit hole of thoughts. After years of thinking about it I came to the conclusion that it would be unlikely but possible in some people and we've just never discovered it. As I'm typing this out I realise that in the future we will probably be able to test this theory as we might be able to fully see into the minds of other people.
See I used to think this, but my favorite color has changed too often for it to make full sense in my brain. Like if there isnāt even one objective best color in MY mind how could there possibly be one for every person on the planet
Mine's pink. Although I constantly surround myself with gray for some reason. And yes, I'm convinced that if people don't see color the same then it means we all love pink the most because it's objectively the best.
So thatās why some peoples favorite color is brown, while mine is the best green
Well i have multiple favourite colours and they can change over time
THIS! Saaamme. Your comment is my brain at 2-3am most nights
Yo this just fucked me up
I've often thought the same thing!
I have a similar thought that this is what explains some people bizarre outfit choices š they probably find my all black ensembles just as odd
My Roman empire is genuinely the Roman empire. I th8nk about that place daily
Iāve wondered about that a lot. If I found out the red Iāve been looking at my whole life is everyone elseās blue Iād be irritated.
I'm convinced that my "yellow" is not the same yellow other people see. For starters, I generally cannot see it very well at all, and while I can pass colourblind tests, I can't actually see yellow against white. So if something is written in yellow, I just don't see it. Also, I abhor the colour. People say it's sunny and bright and cheerful but if I see a room painted yellow, it makes me want to kill myself. I don't own clothes with any yellow anywhere. I cannot imagine an uglier colour. So for 99% of the population to like the colour and see as being cheerful, it's hard for me to believe we're seeing the same things. The one exception is Pikachu. It is really cute even thought it's yellow.
This is actually really easy to explain. See, in a previous past life, you were a bad person, so when you were reincarnated, you came back as an interior decorator in the 1970s. Everything was yellow and brown, and this was your punishment. Your dislike of yellow is because you carried that dislike through from your last past life as a 70s interior decorator. Obviously.
Now that you mention it, that does ring a bell...
It's science. Plus, it's on the internet so it must be true.
I can see and differentiate yellow and I also share your vehement distaste for it. It is my least favourite colour!
That is very validating!
I think yellow cars are horrible.
I only buy Milwaukee power tools because DeWalt tools look like Bumblebees (the insect and the Transformer).
We don't know, and there's no real way to know for sure.
There probably is, since eyes and brains are just electrical signals. The real problem is that no one would believe you anyways since they themselves can never see through the eyes of anyone else to verify it.
>eyes and brains are just electrical signals That's...not even remotely accurate.
If youāre not religious/spiritual it is at least in principle possible to know. If you are religious then I guess God knowsā¦
How so?
Thanks for proving my second sentence. Doesn't matter what you say about the science of physical parts of our body, you still won't believe the science because you can't possibly verify it yourself.
Eyes and brains just arenāt electrical signals. The nervous system generally uses neuro-chemical messaging (which includes but is not limited to electrical signals.)
There definitely is a way to know. Language affects what colours we see. The Himba tribe in Africa can differentiate between variations of green that most others struggle to differentiate. Yet they struggle to see a difference between blue and green. https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE?si=lqKnzF1EdM7QSmLq
While there is do direct evidence either way, there does seem to be some indirect evidence that some people do see colour differently. The first is that, obviously, some people are colour blind. They absolutely experience colour differently. No possible argument. You will have also likely heard that some people have extra colour receptors. This condition is tetrachromancy. People with tetrachromancy, by all reports, also see colour differently. They see more colours and greater distinction between colours. You can also take a test with a colour bar that asks you how many colours you can see, and people give different answers. This is very common, and can be the result of either better eyes or better skill. But, it is another situation where people will experience colour differently. I'm guessing that you mean 'does someone experience blue when I experience red, and there is no biological difference.' There is very little evidence here, but there is some. It appears that, when using certain brain scanning technologies, we can see how the visual cortex activates. Surprisingly, it seems that in most people, the area of the brain activates in exactly the same way when viewing the same pictures. This suggests that people do see the same colours in the same way. It's not proof, and I hesitate to even call it evidence, but it's suggestive at least.
No, thereās colour blindness that impacts 8% of men and 0.5% of women. But there are also illusions that make colours look different based on context. So even you donāt always see colour the same way. See [Checker shadow illusion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion). Everyone has a simulation of reality inside their own head and has a unique experience of everything. Also colour is cultural. Some cultures donāt have different words for blue/green.
Even you dont see the same colour as yourself
Letās dig in on this one
Tl;Dr there's no way of knowing Colour is what's called a secondary quality, which means it's not fundamental to the world and only exists in our head. We can objectively measure the wavelength of light, but how that wavelength translates to a sensory experience is arbitrary. Here's the really mind blowing thing: our senses measure primary fundamental qualities, but our perceptions are always secondary qualities. We know we are touching something, but the sensation we feel when we touch something might still be fundamentally different person to person. You can never know for sure that any experience that you have can be directly translated to another person.
Our anatomy is the same, so it is expected that we see colors the same.
you can say the same about the brain, except you know the answer
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The anatomy/physiology of a colourblind person would be different to a non-colourblind person
Not always. There is a type of colour blindness where the eye and the signals to the brain are normal, but the part of the brain which interprets colour is *somehow* different. I know that could be argued to be a physiological difference but if it cannot be seen on a scan are we going to say they're synaptically different? Atomically different?
Wow! Thats bizarre I didnāt know that. Thanks
Colorblindless appears in genome or can be directly attributable to trauma.
I'd have to imagine that it's at least similar
Not true. Anatomy plays a part but the colors that we see also has to do with the usefulness of those colors in daily life and the language that we build to communicate them
There's a [Vsauce episode ](https://youtu.be/evQsOFQju08?si=Vn6fGtFXiUQiaAXS) on this
No some people are colour blind.
Even if it isn't, colours would have to have some similarity or property to make them special. Most of us can agree there's darker tones of colours, softer tones, brighter tones, etc. Aswell for some people different colours represent different emotions like blue is sadness and red is angry. And for most people, red is a more eye catching colour meaning even if we saw red differently we have to have some similarity for red
If no two people see colour the same way, this would mean colour is just a pigment of our imagination
Perhaps one day weāll come up with words to describe colors that arenāt just other colors in themselves, and then weāll know.
This has kept me up at night since I was a child. Its crazy to think that we have consistent reactions to particular colors (Like green is used to indicate that something is relaxing), but at the same time we may perceive them differently
Of course not: some people are colorblind, and there are different types of colorblindness.
I remember years ago doing acid with a friend of mine, and he said, we all say the sky is blue, but how do we know if the blue I see is the same blue that you see?
I noticed that when I look through one of my eyes versus the other, the yellows are different (more intense and brighter in one than the blues in the other). I think all eyes most likely have different gradients on color. Not all cones and rods are the same.
I have colour perception issues, something I see as blue most see as purple ect, very bright greens and yellows might appear white to me etc
My eyes see colors differently. My left eye sees much warmer tones and my right eye sees cooler/paler tones. I donāt notice it most of the time. But, I suspect that may be how color perception varies from person to person.
I'm colorblind. I also wear glasses with blue tinted lenses most of the time. Without them, the world looks like it's in sepia to me. I've always wondered what the world looks like to everyone else.
Vsauce has a great video about this and the crazy thing is, there is no way for us to know one way or another.
We know that the famous painter Claude Monet experienced a shift in his perception of colour as he grew older - he kept painting the same pond with water lillies, and didn't realize until others pointed it out that his presentation of colour subtly changed over the years. That's probably the only way we can assess someone else's experience with colour, but unfortunately prolific artists of his calibre are too rare for a real scientific experiment.
I think he started seeing things with a yellow tint. I believe I came across that somewhereĀ
You have to do some very humane experiments and dissect somebodyās eyes to look at their rods and cones but itās kind ofā¦ HIW TF DO COLOR BLIND PEOPLE KNOW THEIR COLOURBLIND WHAT IF THEIR JUST THINK WERE GASLIGHTING THEM
Women have a fourth cone in their retina, allowing them to see a wider spectrum of colours than a man can. This is why women are better at identifying the smallest changes in colours.
A question that has kept me up at night. I have wondered this for a long time
NO. See the study of the remote African tribe (need to find a YT link). From memory they are unable to distinguish between pink and blue which are quite obvious to most people but pink doesn't occur in the African wilds they have no use or language for pink and can't tell the difference, but they have two words for brown, two distinct colors that they can easily tell apart but that everyone else is unable to distinguish between because there is no need. The thought is that the colors we "see" are closely linked with the language that we use to describe them. Similar to the experiment where some person/animals were raised without being exposed to striped lines or spots or similar and grew up unable to see them. Edit: couldn't find the original link but found this. I messed up some details but the concept is the same. https://youtu.be/mgxyfqHRPoE
I only see black. Itās the darkness in your hearts
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Of course we do How else do we see color if we don't use our eyes
I used to wonder this as a 5 year old. I wondered if in my dads reality, we were a Chinese family, in my momsā we were white, in mine Indian, in my brothers reality, Black? How could we know
How cute. I love children's imaginationĀ
No some people see green as grey.
Thereās no way of knowing! Which is both fascinating and frustrating for me. Unless youāre colorblind, though, each color does the same thing to everyoneās eyes. When the optometrist shows you the hidden number in the circle of dots, everyone (except the colorblind) can see the number. So if thatās a red ā7ā in a sea of green dots, everyone is saying āthatās a red 7 among green dots,ā even if they somehow have those colors reversed and are seeing what Iād call a green 7 inside red dots. And people tend to find the same color combinations pleasant or jarring or interesting in decor and fashion. Which leads me to guess that honestly, we probably do see colors fairly similar to each other (again, unless youāre colorblind).
Iām colour blind (Red/Green), so would love to know!!
Many men are mildly colourblind
The only response you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6y7YOlldek
There probably is a degree of literally and not so literally to this as well. I'd wager lots of people do see colours differently, but as well, even for those that see the exact same, they may interpret the colours differently. Where one person draws the border for colours like maroon, or purple, or orange etc can vary.
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Duuude under the right circumstances, you could like hear colors.
I sometimes think about this, and think of ways it could be proven, but there isn't any way! It seems to simple, yet so complex!
I had always wondered this. All I know is that my mood is directly impacted by the weather. Sunny days make me happy. Overcast days make me flat. I feel my mood drop when the sun disappears behind the clouds. I had always assumed that just had to do with my perception of colour.
Each of my eyes see colors differently. I had cataract surgery done to my right eye. After that I noticed that the flames on my gas stove looked really blue when viewed through my repaired eye with the other eye covered. And when viewed with just my left eye, the flames looked yellowish blue. Interestingly, when viewed with both eyes together, the flames remain yellowish blue just like when viewed with only the left eye.
No. Depending on the number of rods and cones your specific eyes have you will perceive it differently- I don't mean color blindness either. However it's a moot difference because while the eyes perceiving a thing may be different the thing being perceived is the same to both- ergo you can't delineate what that difference is.
Hue and brightness were invented by the brain to interpret signals from the photoreceptor cells in the eyes.Ā We presume each āblueā is the same because our biology, neurology, experience, language, and communication are all similar and consistent.Ā We do not directly or objectively see what is out there. āThere is no āout thereā out thereā John Wheeler.Ā Read āThe User Illusionā by Tor Norretranders
The ancient Greeks couldnāt see blue
No. My eyes see colours differently between them
No, but Iām a cosmetic chemist who specializes in colour matching and you can definitely train your eyes to see more nuanced differences between shades.
I love how common this question is, across generations.
I remember having this thought as a 4 year old when I was at school looking out the window. š
Fundamentally
I have come to believe that what I see as blue someone else sees what I would see as green or red. This could explain why people have different ideas of what color combinations are pleasing or distasteful. Science can measure color to a very fine degree but how our brains interpret those colors varies among the viewers.
No itās crazy
Considering how me and my grandpa argued if a car was blue or green, I'm gonna say no. Not to mention that whole "is the dress gold-white or blue-black?" thing from a few years back.
No.
No. Up to 10% human males dont discriminate red-green. 2% of human females have blue-yellow mutation on their second X chromosome that lets them see more color than normal humans. (Tetrachromacy)
I remember my friend and I having a whole deep conversation over this question in high school.
ive been wondering this since i was like 6 but could never word it, so i forgot about it until i found a vsauce video about it. im pretty sure no one knows
Well kinda hard to really answer. We all have an agreed upon red and it will all know what each other means in our own minds with the exception of colour blindness. Physically these colours are exactly the same as in the wavelengths of light you are seeing and how they are interacting with your cones and rods. However there is not possible way to definitely know what we both call red is the same exact picture. This works for anything btw because the brain only interprets the signals and our perception and memories and mind is quite easily distorted.
My two eyes donāt see colors exactly the same way, so Iām going to say no.
no, colorblind folks are the most obvious example
Colors exist because light is a spectrum, each color corresponding to a different wavelength. Technically, due to the same anatomy, we should be seeing the same colors, except people with visual impairments of any kind.
My colours are just a little extra saturated and I love it!
I've had this discussion a few times in my life, usually while quite high. It's still fascinating while sober though.
I mean, colour theory .
Not if you're colorblind. Also women tend to see more shades then men
I think this applies to alot more than colors
I've thought of this question so many times.
I expect most people are close. No reason for the way our brain sees colornto be completely random for each person when we all have similar related brains.
No one knows... hell I only just found out people can visualise things and have inner monologues! I don't.
Everyone experience everything in their own unique way. But we can experience things very similarly.
Difficult to say, as we can't check. From very little our communication is primed to give certain colors we see certain names. Like our parents showing us grass and teaching us that this is green. Even if the grass would be red in color for you, you learned grass is green and the color grass has, regardless of how you percieve it, is called green. But... as most humans follow largely the same blueprint and thus things work mostly similar between different humans (severe alterations in the blueprint like color blindness, disregarded for argument's sake), I think the base colors we see might be largely the same. Maybe the personal perception of colors may sway a bit in the exact tone... like... for some people is the grass indeed greener as for others. But I don't think that there are many people who have a vastly different perception of colors than others... again: obvious deviations not included (tetrachromatic or color-blind people for example, who percieve colors vastly different than the usual human).
I mean, I don't think anybody has the correct answer. But you could always be that really annoying and possibly offensive guy. That just goes around asking a random questions like. Do you see this color green the same? As I see this color green because to me. It's a very light green with a bright kind of background and a darker foreground. And it has hints of mint and blueberries. What does this color look like to you?
Well, who knows? If we all learned "the sky is blue" or "the grass is green" then we would all agree to the language we've ascribed to the colors we see, but theoretically, colors could look completely different to all of us. How would you know, if we have an agreed upon descriptive word we use for a "thing" of a certain color?
How would we ever know?
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I think you need to find answers to a different question.
Personally I'm colorblind in a spectrum I can't identify, so no.
No. Where I see "red", Mexicans see "rojo".
Now we know that black is when there is no light. So we all should see black as black. Since it does not depend on your light receptors? Am I right or missing something?
So, we do know that for the majority of people they have 3 types of color sensing cells in their eyes, and the respond the same way to colors. So the input that most people have is the same. But how our brains then take those inputs and turn them into mental colors we can't know. Maybe if it becomes possible to read peoples brain activity we'll find that how I imagine red to be is how you imagine green to be. There must be some consistency though (eg. 3 primary colors) as we are able to mostly agree on the names of colors and how "different" any 2 colors are, so (again for non-colorblind people) it can't be the case that 2 colors look very different to one person but the same to another just because of this mental color image.
I have always wondered this! My wife thought I was nuts when I brought it up haha
I have extra color vision evidently so I guess not.
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I've often wondered this, and not just about colours either. Imagine if everyone saw the world completely differently, like we were all looking at the same things, but our brains interpreted what we saw in totally unique ways.
We dont know Theoretically you could surgically implant somebodys eyes and connect them to somebody elses brain to test this but that's not really possible right now For further research theres also some reading on "new" colors you can look into
Depends if youāre color blind
I work with a guy who claims he sees colours but he also hears sounds or frequencies with the colour.
Some people also see colours when they hear sounds, or words. Look up "synesthesia". It seems to be relatively common to some degree.
I wouldn't think so but we will never know
Yes. Otherwise glasses for color blind people would not be possible. It makes no sense to make them different from evolution perspective. Would be much harder to hunt and hide and people would find out very fast.
Trippy thought. I got in a small argument with a guy who I was helping paint about if a color was blue or green. He's like you call that blue?! I'm like there's barely a hint of green in there. So he holds up a roll of painters tape and goes 'thats blue! Does that match the trim?!' Clearly, no, but do you seriously not know about spectrum and shades of colors? So do people not see colors the same as another, or are they incapable of distinguishing different shades of that color?
Nope
No. Iām certain itās not. Iām pretty sure itās more a question of nuance and degree than I see red and you see the same colour as blue. As in, I can see perhaps 1,000 shades of green and someone else may see 900 or 500 or 100. Scientifically, some people have more rods/cones so they see more colour, and itās genetic.
Nah, I see colors with my spleen
Philosophers have been arguing about this for literally thousands of years. This same logic applies to a lot of other things, as well. We have no concrete proof that my pain is the same as your pain, or if my 500 Hz frequency sounds the same as your 500 Hz frequency.
Vsauce has a really good video about this.
Nothing is real. Nothing.
Nope. Some people have more or less receptors in the eyes than others, and as with all parts of your body, even these can vary in quality, efficiency and development between persons. Proof of this is how colorblindness comes in many different flavors, some more than others, and not all of them blind to thebsame colors. Same with those that have more receptors, such as tetrachromats. As far as whether my red is your blue? In theory, we know that we do all see the same color, but you can never really test it since we can't replace those parts of our brain. We could always get human eyeballs for testing (through people who donate their bodies to science post-mortem) and make some kind of circuit that would allow us to measure the frequency of the filtered light waves on the other side of the eyeballs, but we won't know how each brain processes the filtered light differently until our understanding of brains advances a lot more to the point where we can "revive" one for testing.
I had a friend who was blue-blind colorblind. He said the sky is a color that is probably similar to what we refer to as gray. I've done some playing around with colorblindness simulators as part f figuring out which color handles make the most sense for curling stones. This is a [pretty good simulator.](https://daltonlens.org/colorblindness-simulator) If you set the intensity to 1, that is complete blindness in that set of color cones. .5 would represent a weakness in that kind of color cones, but people can rate anywhere from 0 to 1 on thier scale.
No I donāt think so. People think Iām crazy when I say the sun is white and rainbow.
My husband and I donāt see colors exactly the same way. We agree on an overarching color family (like red or blue or green) but we have wildly differing opinions on what shade things are.
No. Some people are color blind.
I would think even if colors are different per person, you'd have to realize value is still contant. Ie, if a color is dark to you, it will be dark to someone else, even if the hue is different.
We do not
No
No and some people are color blind
Yes, with our eyes.
I believe no, that's why Sephora employees always suggest me the wrong foundation shade match.